Tom Brady (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

I was talking with a fellow FBG today about Tom Brady. I was thinking back to Brady's rankings in the preseason. Most felt like he was a top 5 in the preseason, including all but 2 of FBG staff members that submitted their rankings, after Brady finished as the #2 QB last season. Brady finished as the #7 QB using FBG scoring. First, why ws Brady ranked so high by FF players and experts? I think the main reason is consistency. He hasn't missed a game in five years and many of the other highly regarded QBs had some big questions coming into this season. CPepp, Palmer, Brees and Pennington were all coming off major injuries. Bulger was under a new coach. McNabb was surrounded by WRs with little experience. Vick was, well Vick. Some love him, some hate him. Ben had his offseason issues. Other than P Manning, almost all QBs had some pretty big drawbacks going into the 2006 season. This is not a sign that Brady would disappoint, but it should've been a sign that there was a great chance for some of these question marks to surpass Brady in FF scoring.

2005 stats: 4,110 yards, 26 TDs and 14 INTs = 310 FPs

2006 stats: 3,529 yards, 24 TDs and 12 INTs = 271 FPs

 

[davidwb]

it's hard to throw successfully if you have no receivers.

an overstatement, but not by much.

 

[jurb26]

The only prolbem that Brady had was his WRs. They are the reason his fantasy number suffered. Nothing more.

 

[Bri]

The only prolbem that Brady had was his WRs. They are the reason his fantasy number suffered. Nothing more.

I agreeAlso I think most believed Branch would be a Pat

 

[jurb26]

The only prolbem that Brady had was his WRs. They are the reason his fantasy number suffered. Nothing more.

I agreeAlso I think most believed Branch would be a Pat

As a matter of fact, I think Brady owners should be very pleased with what they saw this year. Basically Brady proved that even when he has minimal fantasy weapons he is still a top 10 QB. Seems rather impressive to me.

 

[massraider]

Plus, he had two strong backs.

If you can run it in rather than throw it, you're better off.

 

[Sea Bass]

A little bit of both.

 

[David Yudkin]

QB scoring was down last year that made Brady's ranking much higher than in previous seasons even though his production was only slightly better.

Prior to last year, he ranked 9, 11, and 10. This year he ranked 7. The difference in QB rankings in this range varies from year to year an d should be expected.

 

[Biabreakable]

The only prolbem that Brady had was his WRs. They are the reason his fantasy number suffered. Nothing more.

I agreeAlso I think most believed Branch would be a Pat

As a matter of fact, I think Brady owners should be very pleased with what they saw this year. Basically Brady proved that even when he has minimal fantasy weapons he is still a top 10 QB. Seems rather impressive to me.

I agree. Brady had nothing to work with as far as quality recievers besides Ben Watson. He still finished as Qb #7. If you are dissapointed with that I am not sure what to tell you.Brady now has a developing Chad Jackson and offseason moves could bring in another target of higher quality than Caldwell/Gabriel/Gaffney. Regardless of what Brady has to work with we know he is going to be a top Qb. I don't think you can say that about any other Qb except perhaps McNabb when healthy. But even McNabb had Stallwroth Westbrook and Brown going for him. I think that is better targets than Caldwell/Kevin Faulk/Troy Brown.If the Pats sign a premier talent such as Randy Moss just think what Brady could do then.Brady has finished 9th 11th 10th 2nd and 7th the past 5 years. He is a lock to be a starting quality Qb for you which is not somthing you can say about any but a few of the Qbs. He also looks to have improved his game playing at a higher level these past 2 years and I see no reason why he will slip from there. If he was going to slip it would have been this year with the adversity he faced but he didn't.I cannot say enough good things about Brady and what he has accomplished.

 

[BGP]

I was talking with a fellow FBG today about Tom Brady. I was thinking back to Brady's rankings in the preseason. Most felt like he was a top 5 in the preseason, including all but 2 of FBG staff members that submitted their rankings, after Brady finished as the #2 QB last season. Brady finished as the #7 QB using FBG scoring. First, why ws Brady ranked so high by FF players and experts? I think the main reason is consistency. He hasn't missed a game in five years and many of the other highly regarded QBs had some big questions coming into this season. CPepp, Palmer, Brees and Pennington were all coming off major injuries. Bulger was under a new coach. McNabb was surrounded by WRs with little experience. Vick was, well Vick. Some love him, some hate him. Ben had his offseason issues. Other than P Manning, almost all QBs had some pretty big drawbacks going into the 2006 season. This is not a sign that Brady would disappoint, but it should've been a sign that there was a great chance for some of these question marks to surpass Brady in FF scoring.2005 stats: 4,110 yards, 26 TDs and 14 INTs = 310 FPs2006 stats: 3,529 yards, 24 TDs and 12 INTs = 271 FPs

Brady was considered "top 5" and finished #7? Is that really that far off to consider him "overranked"?

 

[H.K.]

2005 stats: 4,110 yards, 26 TDs and 14 INTs = 310 FPs

530 att @ 7.8 YPA

2006 stats: 3,529 yards, 24 TDs and 12 INTs = 271 FPs

516 att @ 6.8 YPA

Why did YPA fall?

1) Losing Givens and Branch probably hurt some.

2) Adding Maroney helped the ground game, too. Just a logical guess here, but if a QB is converting a 3rd and 4 instead of a third and 12 most of the time, then their YPA is probably going to be less b/c they aren't forced to go downfield to move the chains.

 

[trader jake]

There is nothing wrong with Tom Brady.

If the Pats add veteran help at WR or Chad Jackson develops Brady will post better fantasy numbers next season. If they stay with what they have he will post, basically, the same numbers next season.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Much more balanced offensive attack than last season - last season it was just Corey Dillon, and he missed or was banged up in probably half the games. Freaking Heath Evans was starting games for us.

So, the offense was on Brady's shoudlers a lot more last season.

That, and he doesn't have any explosive weapons in the passing game - he has guys that are reliable enough, but nobody that helps him make a fantasy impact.

And whoever said that Watson is a quality receiver is incorrect - I'm really sick of this guy, he has frying pan hands. David Thomas is already a better receiver than Watson, IMO.

 

[jurb26]

And whoever said that Watson is a quality receiver is incorrect - I'm really sick of this guy, he has frying pan hands. David Thomas is already a better receiver than Watson, IMO.

The Watson hype has been out of control for just about 1 year to the day now.

 

[x260bm]

This is the average draft order of the first 16 QBs taken according to FBGs:

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Carson Palmer

4. Donovan McNabb

5. Daunte Culpepper

6. Matt Hasselbeck

7. Jake Delhomme

8. Marc Bulger

9. Michael Vick

10. Eli Manning

11. Aaron Brooks

12. Trent Green

13. Jake Plummer

14. Drew Bledsoe

15. Kurt Warner

16. Chris Simms

Now looking at that list, Brady is the one that deserves to be called out as overrated? For finishing 7th?

 

[My_Favorite_Team_is]

There is nothing wrong with Tom Brady.If the Pats add veteran help at WR or Chad Jackson develops Brady will post better fantasy numbers next season. If they stay with what they have he will post, basically, the same numbers next season.

Call me crazy but towards the end of the season, I thought that he and his recievers started to really connect in the grand scheme of things. Today, I sat on the couch thinking to myself, if the patriots spent their money right, this group of recievers (Caldwell, Gaffney {sp?} and Jackson) may wind up being the set trips for next season. Gaffney (sp?) seemed to make some pretty big plays throughout the tail end of season and Caldwell, except for a couple drops in the beginning of the season, has been decently servicable...almost a pleasant surprise for the team. Sure, pick up another reciever in the offseason (hopefully thru the draft) but I see this as, if not roses, at least nice carnations being seeded for next season. And by the way, I do not think for one minute that Chad Jackson can have as bad (or non-existant) of a season as this year...next year. Also, not to hijack the thread or nothing, did anyone else notice that the price tag of a couple key free agents jumped a little this play-off game (Graham and Samuel)? They may have just played their way out of NE if they really want the "BIG" paycheck.

 

[Kyzersosik]

Brady and the Pats want to win games period. Brady does what he has to, 25/35 300+ and 3 tds. is as likely as 14/23 190 and 1 td. He was ranked top 5 and finished #7, not a big deal. Put Brady on say the Saints, the all time passing yds 5000+ in a season, could well be reached. But if my aunt had balls etc. etc............. .

 

[AB in DC]

Really don't know why this was an issue. Of the QBs who finished ahead of him (other than Manning), there were major issues:

2. Brees -- Nobody expected this from him or the Saints

3. Bulger -- New system, possibly injury prone

4. Vick -- You never know what to expect

5. Palmer -- Major injury, most thought he wouldn't start till October

6. Kitna -- Lions are awful, and until training camp, he wasn't the clear starter. Finished behind Brady where turnovers = -2

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

A lot of quality responses have covered the important points:

1) bargain basement quality WR corps

2) much more balanced O than 2005

Nothing to see here, Brady is still a very solid QB1, who is unlikely to give you an edge over your competition week to week, but will hold the line with consistent decent #s and give you the occasional 3 or 4 passing TD game.

 

[Warhogs]

Brady is a very consistent and good. You will most likely get a guy who will finish QB4-QB8 at the end of a year but his ranking gets a bump during a draft because he is a very safe pick. I would not think many if any owners who took Brady last year were disappointed. Not much else to say beyong that.

 

[jeter23]

I wasn't really trying to say that Brady had a poor season, just that he was overranked at #2 by FBG (and plenty of others). I had him ranked highly as well. My thinking was the only reason he was ranked so highly was becuase of so many questions about other top QBs. We should've seen it coming that Brady would be more like top 10, rather than top 2. The problem comes in trying to predict which of those QBs with issues would overcome those and outscore Brady.

 

[Banger]

He's an excellent NFL QB and solid fantasy QB. #2? I would have never grabbed him that high since the Pats offense philosophy changes week to week based on the other teams weakness. So one week Brady is throwing to his TE's all game and the next game Maroney/Dillon are getting 35 carries. Prior to the season I would have guessed that Brady would finish between 4-8 so a 7th finish isn't surprising at all. If Brady is your big problem, life is good.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wasn't really trying to say that Brady had a poor season, just that he was overranked at #2 by FBG (and plenty of others). I had him ranked highly as well. My thinking was the only reason he was ranked so highly was becuase of so many questions about other top QBs. We should've seen it coming that Brady would be more like top 10, rather than top 2. The problem comes in trying to predict which of those QBs with issues would overcome those and outscore Brady.

Sometimes a guy is ranked #2, not because you think he will finish #2, but because you know he won't fall out of the top 8-10. Remember, going into this year, we had questions about Palmer and Brees health, McNabb was coming off a season that was prematurely ended by injury... at the #2, you were between high risk/high reward choices, and low risk/low reward choices. Who you slotted #2 was based more on your risk tolerance than anything else.

 

[jeter23]

I wasn't really trying to say that Brady had a poor season, just that he was overranked at #2 by FBG (and plenty of others). I had him ranked highly as well. My thinking was the only reason he was ranked so highly was becuase of so many questions about other top QBs. We should've seen it coming that Brady would be more like top 10, rather than top 2. The problem comes in trying to predict which of those QBs with issues would overcome those and outscore Brady.

Sometimes a guy is ranked #2, not because you think he will finish #2, but because you know he won't fall out of the top 8-10. Remember, going into this year, we had questions about Palmer and Brees health, McNabb was coming off a season that was prematurely ended by injury... at the #2, you were between high risk/high reward choices, and low risk/low reward choices. Who you slotted #2 was based more on your risk tolerance than anything else.

Well said and exactly my point.

 

[Boston]

One other thing to remember here. The Pats D was #2 in points against this season giving up 237. Last year they were 17th giving up 338. Therefore they weren't in many of the situations they were last year (i.e. relying on Brady to win a shootout). Also, the running game is far different this season. Last year injuries meant they had games where Heath Evans was their top back. That hasn't been the case this year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I reasonably certain he spent the bulk of the year distracted by bigbottom's hauntingly beautiful composition.