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Really, then why does his DPAR rate this as the 10th best season by a RB in only the past 6 years? I said I agree that he should be the Offensive Player of the Year, but not MVP. He had a great year yes, but other RB's are pretty close to him in their great years. If you don't think LJ could of scored 31 TD's in that O you are INSANE and didn't watch a snap of Chiefs football last year. Let's put it this way, I think a RB should win MVP exactly never.
And that doesn't seem special so that's why I felt like he didn't get his due.
NoMcNeil and the rest of the Chargers are good and all but the Chiefs line of last year(05) was far better. If he can't get 31 behind that line, he can't get it behind the Chargers line.
LJ and Priest Holmes ran behind offensive lines that have three future hall of famers on it and didnt come close to 31 TDs.
1) DPAR isn't the end all and be all of player evaluation.2) It's this year, not some other year.3) No I don't think LJ would have scored 31 TDs in "that offense" - I don't even know what you mean by saying "that Offense." "That offense" was "that offense" because of LaDainian. Yeah the line played better than last year, but that doesn't explain all of it, not by a long shot. As I had LJ on my FF team this year I did in fact take as many opportunities (double digits) as I could to watch him play. I may be INSANE but not in this regard. 4) Anyone who limits who should win MVP by what position they play is exhibiting questionable judgment
And yards. Touchdowns and yards are all he gets.freeannyong said:
I bet the Colts would do just as well with the average starting NFL QB not named Manning as they would with the average starting NFL QB named Manning.freeannyong said:
And wins. Touchdowns and yards and wins are all he gets.Well, that and records. Touchdowns and yards and wins and records.... that's all he gets.And.. THIS chair.... MT is one wild and crazy guy.
Let's put it this way, you're either an idiot or just trying to be a pain in the ###. BTW, DPAR means nothing.
Uhh, no... would they do well? Sure. Would they do better than they did this year? Possibly. We'll never know, will we? Did you miss the first three seasons of LT's career? He played behind a HORRIBLE offensive line, yet threw up incredible numbers. The man just knows how to play hard and score. In 2004, they finally started to work on that O-line, and it has steadily improved. This year, he is finally getting his just due after an absolutely incredible year. How you can discredit that, and not think he's the MVP, is beyond me.To start trying to insert running back A into another team's lineup is ridiculous. We could do this all the time. Imagine Barry Sanders behind the Dallas Cowboy O-line during the 90's! Imagine Thurman Thomas!RB isn't that important of a position? Do you even watch football?
If we were to put McNair or Hasselbeck, or a few other QBs in the Indy offense, I think they would still do quite well. Perhaps not AS good as with Manning, but still a good team all-around. Probably even a playoff-bound team. Manning is not the entire offense on that team.
Brady's best chance was last season, and if he didn't get it then he never will.He IS the most valuable player.
I strongly disagree. The reason they didn't make the playoffs is because Boller is a horrible QB. He wasn't average, he was horrible, one of the worst, if not the worst in the NFL. They had a top defense in place, offensive pieces with Lewis/Heap/decent wr's but Boller was what was holding the team back and there's no one that would dispute that. I could put probably 10 qb's in that offense and produce the same or better results. Brady, Manning, Palmer, etc. would all outproduce him in that same offense, no doubt about it. He's about 15th in passer rating behind Losman, Pennington, Cutler, etc. has 3000 yards 16 tds and 12 ints. He's had a nice season but nowhere NEAR an MVP season. Just because a player replaces a horrible player and plays average/above average doesn't make them an MVP. There is no doubt in my mind that LT is the most talented back in the NFL and I don't think anyone would have had the success he did if they were placed in that offense.
Because I come to a different conclusion, it means I haven't read the thread? I felt it was a two horse race, between LT and Brees, with about 80% for LT ad 20% for Brees. NOBODY else, IMHO, deserved consideration. There are always going to be undeserving votes cast. There always are. LT's stats were just so far and beyond everybody elses, and crucial to his teams success, that there is no argument to be made. He ran away with it. To me, there's really nothing to discuss here. Spin, beg, plead, all you want, but the reality is that he was heads and shoulders above any individual in the league this season. It wasn't close. He was a man amongst boys, and walked away with the trophy. Heck, I think he could have sat the last two weeks of the season, and still won.freeannyong said:
As much as I know some people won't like it I think Peyton deserves to be in the discussion this year too. I agree that Brady should have won last year and is a legit candidate just about every year.
don't forget that Ray Lewis missed 10 games IIRC, and Ed Reed missed 6 IIRC
