Tomlinson (Post Record Breaking) (1 Viewer)

[humphrp]

For all those that have LT on their teams, one concern has to be creeping in your minds. Now that he has the record is he going to continue extending that record or is he going to take a break till playoffs. When if any should he be sat? Thoughts and insight on LT going forward, and what implications that has on your playoff strategy (If you own Turner will you play him along with LT)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

SD is still figthing for homefield. He wont even think of being sat until week 17.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

LT will be playing as long as San Diego is fighting for home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

 

[smcindoe]

This has been discussed in just about every LT thread.

The consensus is that he's unlikely to sit unless the Chargers have clinched the #1 seed. That's very unlikely before week 17, so if youre championship game is week 16 I wouldn't lose any sleep.

Keep in mind:

- The Chargers still have playoff seeding to play for, which is extremely important

- Turner is banged up

- LT hasn't actually been getting any more touches than usual during the streak, so it's not like they were working him into the ground to chase the record

Given the way the Chargers use him in exhibition games (i.e. they don't) I think it's very likely he sits if they've clinched the #1 spot. I just don't see that happening any time soon. So relax.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Not as long as home field advantage is still up for grabs. I also think LT and Co would like to put that record so far out of reach it will never be touched.

 

[kingcoin1]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

 

[Despyzer]

He is still six points away from the all-time scoring record, as well.

 

[posty]

I wonder if home-field advantage is still up for grabs?

 

[smcindoe]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because TD passes are scored by the receiver, not the passer. If they counted to the passer, LT would still be well behind Manning's record.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

I think because passing TD's are a different stat. Manning has the single season record for TD passes at what, 49? Passing the rushing/recieving TD's are one record and passing TD's is another. Apples and oranges I guess.Back on topic, LT has never been about individual accomplishments. His playing time going forward is all centered around the team. The record has nothing to do with locking up home field in the playoffs. If extending the record helps them clinch home field then so be it. But the record was never a consideration. Like other stated, once home field is clinched, then you might see him sit.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Saw a presser from him yesterday on ESPN. He was asked how far he thought he could go with the record and he broke out into a smile and said "they would just keep doing what they've been doing." Now I don't think if the Chargers are up by 20 points with 4 minutes left that he will be coming in to run it up but he will keep scoring. Besides, would anybody actually consider sitting him? Didn't think so.

 

[The_Man]

Home field is very much up for grabs. Baltimore is only 1 game behind and holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over SD. As long as Baltimore beats Cleveland this week, there's no way SD can clinch the #1 seed before the end of Week 16 at the earliest.

 

[Wingnut]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

 

[-jb-]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

It would be cooler if Lawrence Taylor was his idol. I'd even settle for Steven Jackson. Reggie White would be awesome.

 

[ATC1]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

LOL. I think I'll score 34 because..... He just might be good enough to say this too. As a LT owner, how come a linemen or maybe a LB be his idol?

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Home field is very much up for grabs. Baltimore is only 1 game behind and holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over SD. As long as Baltimore beats Cleveland this week, there's no way SD can clinch the #1 seed before the end of Week 16 at the earliest.

A lot of good information in this thread but this is the most valuable.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

He highly respects the history of the game and Sweetness and Jim Brown were some of his heros growing up. His favorite player was Emmitt Smith growing up outside of Waco, Texas. Makes sense that when he was a little kid and Dallas was rolling behind the triplets that he would idolize #22. So now that he is at 29 TD's I doubt he is looking for 34 to honor Walter. I honestly think the record is not that big of a deal to him personally. I think he likes the record as a reward to guys like Lorenzo Neal and his O-Line to take away that they were a part of something awesome. As long as the team wins, LT could care less about records.

 

[Wingnut]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.

I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

He highly respects the history of the game and Sweetness and Jim Brown were some of his heros growing up. His favorite player was Emmitt Smith growing up outside of Waco, Texas. Makes sense that when he was a little kid and Dallas was rolling behind the triplets that he would idolize #22. So now that he is at 29 TD's I doubt he is looking for 34 to honor Walter. I honestly think the record is not that big of a deal to him personally. I think he likes the record as a reward to guys like Lorenzo Neal and his O-Line to take away that they were a part of something awesome. As long as the team wins, LT could care less about records.

Without a doubt. After the game Sunday he said something to the effect that he really hasnt done anything yet because he doesnt have a ring. All he cares about is his team winning a championship. The individual records are neat but not something he strives to accomplish.

 

[midwest_kc]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

LOL. I think I'll score 34 because..... He just might be good enough to say this too. As a LT owner, how come a linemen or maybe a LB be his idol?

Or Jerry Rice?

 

[GDogg]

Not to go too off subject, but why don't they count the TD passes toward his TD record? Sorry if this has been talked about already.

Because the NFL isnt fantasy football league.Scoring a TD means crossing the goal line. When he passes the ball, he doesnt cross the goal line.I heard somewhere that since Walter Peyton is his idol, he would like to end with 34TDs if possible. Anyone else hear this? I dont remember where I heard (or read) it.

He highly respects the history of the game and Sweetness and Jim Brown were some of his heros growing up. His favorite player was Emmitt Smith growing up outside of Waco, Texas. Makes sense that when he was a little kid and Dallas was rolling behind the triplets that he would idolize #22. So now that he is at 29 TD's I doubt he is looking for 34 to honor Walter. I honestly think the record is not that big of a deal to him personally. I think he likes the record as a reward to guys like Lorenzo Neal and his O-Line to take away that they were a part of something awesome. As long as the team wins, LT could care less about records.

That's not what he said during the post-game news conference. He was gunning for the record as a personal thing, but the record was definitely on his mind. He said he felt pressure every week and now that he has broken it, hopefully things will return to normal.So, yes, LT could care less about the record. He cared very much about it and it weighed on him.

 

[Wingnut]

He said he felt pressure every week and now that he has broken it, hopefully things will return to normal.

Sounds good. "normal" for LT these days is 100yds and 2-4 tds.

 

[GDogg]

He said he felt pressure every week and now that he has broken it, hopefully things will return to normal.

Sounds good. "normal" for LT these days is 100yds and 2-4 tds.

I know. The LT owner is on the side of the bracket from me.So, I'm all for LT going nuts this week again.

But, next week, I'd love to see the Chargers jump out to a huge halftime lead with Rivers throwing TD passes to everyone except LT. Then, Marty sits LT in the second half to rest his superstar as Michael Turner tears it up in the second half.

A non-LT owner can dream, can't he?

 

[SilentReader]

what about if your title game is week 17? what do you guys think the odds are that SD clinches home field throughout before then?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

what about if your title game is week 17? what do you guys think the odds are that SD clinches home field throughout before then?

I'll worry about that after week 16; can't do anything about it now anyway

 

[Tom Baker]

what about if your title game is week 17? what do you guys think the odds are that SD clinches home field throughout before then?

I expect Baltimore to lose at Pittsburgh, so I think this is likely.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

For all those that have LT on their teams, one concern has to be creeping in your minds. Now that he has the record is he going to continue extending that record or is he going to take a break till playoffs. When if any should he be sat? Thoughts and insight on LT going forward, and what implications that has on your playoff strategy (If you own Turner will you play him along with LT)

Two things..SD wants to get the bye for playoffs..and LT still will go for another record (believe its most points ever scored in a season -he needs one more TD for that record..not the TD record another kind)..now once he gets that TD even though they want a bye for playoffs..I believe they rather not risk him complete game so... (plays 2.5 quarters).

 

[SilentReader]

what about if your title game is week 17? what do you guys think the odds are that SD clinches home field throughout before then?

I'll worry about that after week 16; can't do anything about it now anyway

i bet some people have to do something about it before then. if you wait till then to pick Turner up, he'll be gone. But what if you have a tight bench and can't afford to pick Turner up only to have him not play for you. You would therefore only want to pick him up if you were sure he would play week 17...

 

[humphrp]

Here is what fanball has to say.

"Chargers head coach Marty Schottenheimer said on Monday that running back Michael Turner could have played on Sunday against the Broncos, but he wanted to give the backup more time to heal up. "I just felt that it was important for us to have him at 100 percent rather than putting him back at 85 or 90 percent and running the risk of aggravating that thing," Schottenheimer told the team's official web site. He added that he "fully expects (Turner) to be active this week." Turner has missed three straight games due to a hamstring strain.

The Chargers have locked up a playoff spot but not homefield advantage. Thus, they need to continue feeding starter LaDainian Tomlinson down the stretch. If the Bolts do lock up homefield two weeks from now, though, Turner could see a lot of action in week 17."

Remember it is just fanball.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

For all those that have LT on their teams, one concern has to be creeping in your minds. Now that he has the record is he going to continue extending that record or is he going to take a break till playoffs. When if any should he be sat? Thoughts and insight on LT going forward, and what implications that has on your playoff strategy (If you own Turner will you play him along with LT)

Two things..SD wants to get the bye for playoffs..and LT still will go for another record (believe its most points ever scored in a season -he needs one more TD for that record..not the TD record another kind)..now once he gets that TD even though they want a bye for playoffs..I believe they rather not risk him complete game so... (plays 2.5 quarters).

Just to say found that record I was chatting about...Chargers | Tomlinson could break more records

Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:49:01 -0800

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson can break Paul Hornung's record for points in a season by scoring one more touchdown. Hornung accumulated 176 points for the Green Bay Packers in 1960. If Tomlinson scores two touchdowns in Week 15, he will have eight consecutive multitouchdown games, which will also be an NFL record.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

what about if your title game is week 17? what do you guys think the odds are that SD clinches home field throughout before then?

I'll worry about that after week 16; can't do anything about it now anyway

i bet some people have to do something about it before then. if you wait till then to pick Turner up, he'll be gone. But what if you have a tight bench and can't afford to pick Turner up only to have him not play for you. You would therefore only want to pick him up if you were sure he would play week 17...

Sorry, didn't mean to give you short shrift. I was going on the assumption that trading deadline passed and anyone but a fill in rb would be rostered as well, i.e. Turner.

 

[rascal]

You won't be seeing LT in the game once they get a lead like the did last week in the fourth quarter. You should start him but I would temper my expectations a bit. Plus with Turner healthy again they will use him more to keep LT fresh for the playoffs.

 

[The Noid]

I'm anxiously awaiting his 85 yard, no TD performance this week or next, followed by the pages of posts from us complaining that he ruined our fantasy title hopes!

Seriously, how spoiled can LT owners get? There has to be a let down game coming, right? And with only 3 weeks left, it's going to be at a baaaaad time for a lot of FBGs!

 

[kd1]

Home field is very much up for grabs. Baltimore is only 1 game behind and holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over SD. As long as Baltimore beats Cleveland this week, there's no way SD can clinch the #1 seed before the end of Week 16 at the earliest.

A lot of good information in this thread but this is the most valuable.

valuable, but erroneous. even if baltimore loses to cleveland this week, sd wouldnt clinch the 1 seed till either they win week 16 or balt loses again week 16.

 

[Despyzer]

Seriously, how spoiled can LT owners get?

The answer to that can be found in any Chargers game thread this season. You should hear all of the whining that goes on there.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

This is straight from the horse's mouth on the Chargers official website.

Schottenheimer also plans to run full throttle through the final three weeks. When asked about the possibility of resting some players or limiting their snaps down the stretch, Schottenheimer said that momentum is much more important.

“The one thing you always want to be able to do toward the latter part of the season is win football games because winning breeds winning,” Schottenheimer said. “We’re working very, very diligently to try to win one game this week against Kansas City.”

Looks like Marty is planning on running his studs until he does not have to. Even then, I think he wants to keep things rolling so that guys do not get rusty with a few games off and then a first round bye. That quote came in the final two paragraphs from THIS article.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Home field is very much up for grabs. Baltimore is only 1 game behind and holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over SD. As long as Baltimore beats Cleveland this week, there's no way SD can clinch the #1 seed before the end of Week 16 at the earliest.

A lot of good information in this thread but this is the most valuable.

valuable, but erroneous. even if baltimore loses to cleveland this week, sd wouldnt clinch the 1 seed till either they win week 16 or balt loses again week 16.

Seems true but off point. The message is that SD is far from securing home-field advantage and presumably will continue to play all first stringers.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Home field is very much up for grabs. Baltimore is only 1 game behind and holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over SD. As long as Baltimore beats Cleveland this week, there's no way SD can clinch the #1 seed before the end of Week 16 at the earliest.

A lot of good information in this thread but this is the most valuable.

valuable, but erroneous. even if baltimore loses to cleveland this week, sd wouldnt clinch the 1 seed till either they win week 16 or balt loses again week 16.

... and Baltimore's week 16 game (@ PIT) ends before SD's week 16 game kicks off.

 

[fsufan]

who holds the tiebreaker between SD and Indy

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

who holds the tiebreaker between SD and Indy

Indy I believe since they have a better in-conferance record (they lost to Dallas) so if they tie Indy is a higher seed.

 

[rangerforme]

He won't sit but he won't be getting 10 carries with 3 mintues left in a game and the Chargers are up by 21 pts either.

 

[Sinrman]

You won't be seeing LT in the game once they get a lead like the did last week in the fourth quarter. You should start him but I would temper my expectations a bit. Plus with Turner healthy again they will use him more to keep LT fresh for the playoffs.

 

[The_Man]

Tie-breaker between Indy and SD is up in the air. They both have two AFC losses, so if Indy wins out and SD loses to Seattle (but not an AFC team) they have to go to common opponents tie-breaker.

Even if Indy wins out, I'm pretty sure SD holds the common opponents tie-breaker:

They both beat Cincy (if Indy wins out)

SD was 2-0 vs. Denver; Indy was 1-0

SD was 1-0 vs. Tennessee; Indy was 1-1

That loss to Tennessee cost Indy so huge -- in the standings, in AFC record and in Common Opponents vs. both Baltimore and SD.

 

[shakeybarn]

What makes you think Marty will sit him even with homefield locked up or lost...

Shall we review

It's 4th qtr... Chargers are up 42-19 vs SF. Forty Niners haven't scored once since the mid 2nd qtr.

1-5-SF5 (4:23) L.Tomlinson left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

I don't mean it seriously, but a cracked femur was deserved. Marty is going to run LT into the ground. The guy sees way too much work. It's live now, pay later attitude I suppose.

 

[Banger]

What makes you think Marty will sit him even with homefield locked up or lost...Shall we reviewIt's 4th qtr... Chargers are up 42-19 vs SF. Forty Niners haven't scored once since the mid 2nd qtr.1-5-SF5 (4:23) L.Tomlinson left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. I don't mean it seriously, but a cracked femur was deserved. Marty is going to run LT into the ground. The guy sees way too much work. It's live now, pay later attitude I suppose.

His workload is right in line with what it's been through his entire career. Career avg is 25.87 touches/game, this year it's 26.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What makes you think Marty will sit him even with homefield locked up or lost...

Marty sat him in week 17 of 2004.

 

[Marc Levin]

Saw a presser from him yesterday on ESPN. He was asked how far he thought he could go with the record and he broke out into a smile and said "they would just keep doing what they've been doing." Now I don't think if the Chargers are up by 20 points with 4 minutes left that he will be coming in to run it up but he will keep scoring. Besides, would anybody actually consider sitting him? Didn't think so.

Good point - we might lose a few garbage time points the next couple of weeks, but I don't think LT will be sitting a significant portion of any game until week 17.I think we have to see some more of Turner in late game situations where the team is up by a lot of points - why waste LT so close to the postseason and it's a good idea ot get Turner some reps.Hopefully, you backed up LT with Turner at your draft and never had to drop him - could be a good week 17 play for those of you who play in week 17 SBs.

 

[BAT1man]

Umm, if the record is secured fairly early in this week's game against KC, and SD is pulling away with a big lead, I could see SD using Turner and giving LT some rest.

This would likely be true from here on out. If SD gets a large lead in any of their remaining games, I can see LT getting extended bench time.

Just something to consider, especially against the Cards in week 17.

(edited for typos)

 

[humphrp]

So for those who have both LT and Turner, do we play both from here on out?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

SD can wrap up homefield if:

SD wins

IND & BAL lose

IND is a much better bet to lose against CIN, but BAL plays CLE. That said, if the above scenario were to occur, I think LT would be throttled down to 2nd or 3rd game of pre-season work.

 

[thayman]

So for those who have both LT and Turner, do we play both from here on out?

no. Unless your other option is piss-poor