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Jeff Pasquino

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Try and stick to Top 100-150 type players, but who in your mind will be steals in a typical redraft league?

I'm talking about players that might go in say Rounds 1-2 but are "steals of your draft" - Randy Moss.

Assume:

12 teams

Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D

PPR is up to you, but specify if you believe it is relevant.

 
MJD

Javon

LenDale White

** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"

 
It's really hard to say since I really look at O-line additions/loss's in determining guys (RB's/QB's) that may take a jump. One guy for sure that's going to undervalued in my eyes will be LJ. There are people talking about him outside the top 10 so there's a chance he could offer some significant value.

On the QB side I like Cutler. Their defense will still probably horrible, their line isn't what it used to be in terms of run blocking and their two best players are Marshall/Walker (if healthy).

 
MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
 
QB - I bet Bulger is on a few of my teams next year, not a round 1-2 type but will be had late

RB - Westbrook, Im sure LT ADP Addai Sjax LJ and maybe more will go ahead of him, but I'll take him

FWP - Im sure he wil leave a sour taste in everyone's mouth with the 2 td season, but he had 16 the year before, with different coaches granted but to me one was an extreme hi, one an extreme low, 8-10 td's is about right

 
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MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
Not so sure. LenDale seems like the type of back that Fisher really likes. A RB who can carry the rock 25-30 times a game, is reasonably durable, and is tough in short yardage. Maybe Chris Henry fits that profile, but I kind of doubt it. I'll be looking to add LenDale cheap next year. He's a solid #2 RB that can probably be had for cheap.
 
Steven Jackson if he is outside the top 5 or 6 will be a steal

Frank Gore should bounce back...hopefully

Andre Johnson should be a top 5 WR taken...if not he'll be a steal

Reggie Bush

 
QB - Kitna

RB - Maroney / Jerious Norwood

WR - Javon Walker / W.Welker / Lee Evans

TE - Ben Watson

K - N.Rackers

D - KC

 
Delhomme

Bulger

Brady Quinn :excited:

Jamal Lewis if the Browns resign him

Kevin Jones - the Lions will probably run the ball more

Maroney - I don't think the Pats have a year like this one next year

Marvin Harrison - for redraft league

Javon Walker - has a legit threat on the other side if he stays in DEN

Steve Smith

Owen Daniels - he is emerging and will be better with AJ playing all the time

 
Steve Smith 3rd Round

Roy Williams Could drop out of the top 12 drafted WRs.

Donald Driver Ditto

Lee Evans Ditto

Carson Palmer

Ronnie Brown? Will still go first round, but may be at the middle or turn. Should be completely healthy.

Steven Jackson burned some owners this season. They will avoid him letting him slide to 1.5 or lower.

Javon Walker

Plaxico Burress, having a GOOD year, not GREAT which he would have if completely healthy.

DJ Hackett people will forget how good he looked when healthy

Reggie Bush will slide into the 3rd/4th round next year. Huge upside.

Deuce McAllister, on that same note will split carries with Bush and be the GL back in '08. Huge value late in the draft.

Marvin Harrison as people will believe his career is toast. Will likely be available as the 10-15th WR taken.

Bulger and Delhomme were mentioned.

Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, and Lamont Jordan should be watched to see where they end up. Jamal Lewis back with Cleveland next year will again be a solid RB3 or 4.

 
MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
Not so sure. LenDale seems like the type of back that Fisher really likes. A RB who can carry the rock 25-30 times a game, is reasonably durable, and is tough in short yardage. Maybe Chris Henry fits that profile, but I kind of doubt it. I'll be looking to add LenDale cheap next year. He's a solid #2 RB that can probably be had for cheap.
I think Fisher has wanted to like him, part of it due to lack of other good choices. Fisher has given him every opportunity and he's running at a 3.6 ypc. That's not going to cut it. Those are Eddie George numbers at the end of his career not your "long term starter" at the beginning of his career. Chris Brown in the same offense has run for 4.8 ypc. White has no explosiveness, actually doesn't break many tackles, fumbles a lot and mixed in with his lazy work habits I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 3 years. I agree that whoever is the starter in Fisher's offense is gold but I just don't see it being White long term. He's very unimpressive. In 260 touch's White has a total of 13 plays for more than 10 yards (10 were 10-13 yards and 3 were 20-28 yards), Henry has had 27 touch's and 5 have been for 10+ yards, and C. Brown has 15 10+ yard touchs in 101 touch's. So in about 40% of the touch's Brown has more 10+ yard plays. That lack of explosiveness is not going to cut it.
 
Steve Smith 3rd Round

Roy Williams Could drop out of the top 12 drafted WRs.

Donald Driver Ditto

Lee Evans Ditto

Carson Palmer

Ronnie Brown? Will still go first round, but may be at the middle or turn. Should be completely healthy.

Steven Jackson burned some owners this season. They will avoid him letting him slide to 1.5 or lower.

Javon Walker

Plaxico Burress, having a GOOD year, not GREAT which he would have if completely healthy.

DJ Hackett people will forget how good he looked when healthy

Reggie Bush will slide into the 3rd/4th round next year. Huge upside.

Deuce McAllister, on that same note will split carries with Bush and be the GL back in '08. Huge value late in the draft.

Marvin Harrison as people will believe his career is toast. Will likely be available as the 10-15th WR taken.

Bulger and Delhomme were mentioned.

Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, and Lamont Jordan should be watched to see where they end up. Jamal Lewis back with Cleveland next year will again be a solid RB3 or 4.
You mean 3 or 4 overall, because he's 10th in my PPR league and 5th and 6th in my non-PPR leagues.Pretty good list overall.

 
I'd add Calvin Johnson to the list. He came in with hype and a lot of people are down on him. He's been injured and has an OC that's impossible to predict. I don't see Martz being back and whoever the new OC is will get the ball into his hands. He could certainly be a B. Edwards type player since he has that kind of talent.

I would have also put B. Marshall on the list but I think his 2nd half is going to push him into Lee Evans territory circa '07.

 
Steve Smith 3rd Round

Roy Williams Could drop out of the top 12 drafted WRs.

Donald Driver Ditto

Lee Evans Ditto

Carson Palmer

Ronnie Brown? Will still go first round, but may be at the middle or turn. Should be completely healthy.

Steven Jackson burned some owners this season. They will avoid him letting him slide to 1.5 or lower.

Javon Walker

Plaxico Burress, having a GOOD year, not GREAT which he would have if completely healthy.

DJ Hackett people will forget how good he looked when healthy

Reggie Bush will slide into the 3rd/4th round next year. Huge upside.

Deuce McAllister, on that same note will split carries with Bush and be the GL back in '08. Huge value late in the draft.

Marvin Harrison as people will believe his career is toast. Will likely be available as the 10-15th WR taken.

Bulger and Delhomme were mentioned.

Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, and Lamont Jordan should be watched to see where they end up. Jamal Lewis back with Cleveland next year will again be a solid RB3 or 4.
:confused: He's 6th overall right now
 
So many guys have underperformed, it's hard to know where to start.

So much will depend on what happens around some of the big busts. So, if the 49ers seem to have upgraded at QB and especially offensive line, Gore could be a huge steal given that he's probably a late first to early second at best right now.

Vince Young seems like another good one if they've helped him out at all in the offseason--he was a mid round pick coming off of last year, so he could be easily be available round 10 or later.

Marvin Harrison if the knee thing isn't chronic.

I'm guessing guys like Steve Smith have been good enough, long enough to not drop too far.

 
MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
Not so sure. LenDale seems like the type of back that Fisher really likes. A RB who can carry the rock 25-30 times a game, is reasonably durable, and is tough in short yardage. Maybe Chris Henry fits that profile, but I kind of doubt it. I'll be looking to add LenDale cheap next year. He's a solid #2 RB that can probably be had for cheap.
I think Fisher has wanted to like him, part of it due to lack of other good choices. Fisher has given him every opportunity and he's running at a 3.6 ypc. That's not going to cut it. Those are Eddie George numbers at the end of his career not your "long term starter" at the beginning of his career. Chris Brown in the same offense has run for 4.8 ypc. White has no explosiveness, actually doesn't break many tackles, fumbles a lot and mixed in with his lazy work habits I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 3 years. I agree that whoever is the starter in Fisher's offense is gold but I just don't see it being White long term. He's very unimpressive. In 260 touch's White has a total of 13 plays for more than 10 yards (10 were 10-13 yards and 3 were 20-28 yards), Henry has had 27 touch's and 5 have been for 10+ yards, and C. Brown has 15 10+ yard touchs in 101 touch's. So in about 40% of the touch's Brown has more 10+ yard plays. That lack of explosiveness is not going to cut it.
Brown's stats are skewed from his week 1 performance. Typically I don't like to do this, but if you were to remove Brown's game 1 you get: 3.5 YPC, which is right where LenDale is
 
MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
Not so sure. LenDale seems like the type of back that Fisher really likes. A RB who can carry the rock 25-30 times a game, is reasonably durable, and is tough in short yardage. Maybe Chris Henry fits that profile, but I kind of doubt it. I'll be looking to add LenDale cheap next year. He's a solid #2 RB that can probably be had for cheap.
I think Fisher has wanted to like him, part of it due to lack of other good choices. Fisher has given him every opportunity and he's running at a 3.6 ypc. That's not going to cut it. Those are Eddie George numbers at the end of his career not your "long term starter" at the beginning of his career. Chris Brown in the same offense has run for 4.8 ypc. White has no explosiveness, actually doesn't break many tackles, fumbles a lot and mixed in with his lazy work habits I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 3 years. I agree that whoever is the starter in Fisher's offense is gold but I just don't see it being White long term. He's very unimpressive. In 260 touch's White has a total of 13 plays for more than 10 yards (10 were 10-13 yards and 3 were 20-28 yards), Henry has had 27 touch's and 5 have been for 10+ yards, and C. Brown has 15 10+ yard touchs in 101 touch's. So in about 40% of the touch's Brown has more 10+ yard plays. That lack of explosiveness is not going to cut it.
Brown's stats are skewed from his week 1 performance. Typically I don't like to do this, but if you were to remove Brown's game 1 you get: 3.5 YPC, which is right where LenDale is
Good point. I'm not touting Brown as much as I'm dissing White but White played in that game as well and didn't perform nearly as well. I don't particularly like Brown either and neither does Tenn. but they couldn't ride into the season with just White/Henry on the roster. I doubt Brown will be there next year.
 
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MJDJavonLenDale White** all in situations where they have good young, developing QB's and they are the "main option"
I think it's just as likely that White loses the job to Henry or someone not yet on the roster. IMO he's done nothing to distinguish himself.
Not so sure. LenDale seems like the type of back that Fisher really likes. A RB who can carry the rock 25-30 times a game, is reasonably durable, and is tough in short yardage. Maybe Chris Henry fits that profile, but I kind of doubt it. I'll be looking to add LenDale cheap next year. He's a solid #2 RB that can probably be had for cheap.
I think Fisher has wanted to like him, part of it due to lack of other good choices. Fisher has given him every opportunity and he's running at a 3.6 ypc. That's not going to cut it. Those are Eddie George numbers at the end of his career not your "long term starter" at the beginning of his career. Chris Brown in the same offense has run for 4.8 ypc. White has no explosiveness, actually doesn't break many tackles, fumbles a lot and mixed in with his lazy work habits I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 3 years. I agree that whoever is the starter in Fisher's offense is gold but I just don't see it being White long term. He's very unimpressive. In 260 touch's White has a total of 13 plays for more than 10 yards (10 were 10-13 yards and 3 were 20-28 yards), Henry has had 27 touch's and 5 have been for 10+ yards, and C. Brown has 15 10+ yard touchs in 101 touch's. So in about 40% of the touch's Brown has more 10+ yard plays. That lack of explosiveness is not going to cut it.
Brown's stats are skewed from his week 1 performance. Typically I don't like to do this, but if you were to remove Brown's game 1 you get: 3.5 YPC, which is right where LenDale is
Good point. I'm not touting Brown as much as I'm dissing White but White played in that game as well and didn't perform nearly as well. I don't particularly like Brown either and neither does Tenn. but they couldn't ride into the season with just White/Henry on the roster. I doubt Brown will be there next year.
White seems to have played better the past couple of weeks. If he ends the season strong, he'll have a leg up on the job for next year. If not, it'll be open competition, IMO.
 
Steve Smith 3rd Round

Roy Williams Could drop out of the top 12 drafted WRs.

Donald Driver Ditto

Lee Evans Ditto

Carson Palmer

Ronnie Brown? Will still go first round, but may be at the middle or turn. Should be completely healthy.

Steven Jackson burned some owners this season. They will avoid him letting him slide to 1.5 or lower.

Javon Walker

Plaxico Burress, having a GOOD year, not GREAT which he would have if completely healthy.

DJ Hackett people will forget how good he looked when healthy

Reggie Bush will slide into the 3rd/4th round next year. Huge upside.

Deuce McAllister, on that same note will split carries with Bush and be the GL back in '08. Huge value late in the draft.

Marvin Harrison as people will believe his career is toast. Will likely be available as the 10-15th WR taken.

Bulger and Delhomme were mentioned.

Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, and Lamont Jordan should be watched to see where they end up. Jamal Lewis back with Cleveland next year will again be a solid RB3 or 4.
:lmao: He's 6th overall right now
He won't be drafted as the RB 6 though. I'm talking draft, not current production. Jamal Lewis will slide and slide in most drafts in '08.
 
CJ2. I see a coming out party next year.

Palmer will be lower than he should be. Bulger, too, if his Oline gets healthy.

Maroney will be cheap, and has the talent to post RB 10-15 numbers.

 
DJ Hackett - Looked good when healthy this year

Brandon Marshall - A lot of people have Javon Walker on here and Walker being back next year will force both guys to slide down a bit. I happen to think there is a changing of the guard at WR in Denver and think Marshall will still receive the most targets next year as Cutler is getting pretty comfortable with him.

Jake Delhomme - Was on fire this year until he went down. He will be one of the better value picks next year.

Chester Taylor - He'll be at the very least the best handcuff money can buy. Tremendous trade bait, but also he'll still be seeing touches next year. ADP missed only 2 games and Chester missed 2 games himself and is still a top 20 RB in PPR leagues.

 
QB:

1. Marc Bulger

2. Vince Young (if that situation improves)

RB:

1. Rudi Johnson

2. Travis Henry

3. Caddillac Williams

4. Lorenzo Booker

WR:

1. Marvin Harrison

2. Sidney Rice

3. DJ Hackett

4. Jericho Cotchery

5. Javon Walker

6. Chad Jackson

7. Demetrius Williams

8. Ike Bruce

9. Laurent Robinson

 
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In addition to

Hackett

Delhomme

Smith

Javon

Harrison

Campbell

I'd add ---

Ronnie Brown (a steal anywhere after pick 3, IMO)

Earnest Graham . (I expect his ADP will be below Caddy's, and low b/c of Caddy, but i think he'll win the starting job and I don't see Gruden running an RBBC.)

Ryan Grant (likely to fall further than he should)

Santonio Holmes

 
I've seen Westbrook pop up on a few lists. He's probably the #2 back in most leagues' scoring systems right now - not sure exactly how undervalued he's going to be next year. I think the only RBs likely to get drafted ahead of him are LT, AP and possibly Jackson.

 
Todd Heap

His season is a lost one due to injury, but he's played through them in the past. This year he obviously couldn't overcome the bad hammy.

I can see him returning to the upper tier of TEs if he can manage to stay healthy. If nothing else, the lackluster Ravens offense (at least the passing game) has clearly shown how much it misses Heap's presence.

 
Boldin and Fitzgerald could possibly be added to this list. It would depend on the league though. In my local leagues I'm fairly certain that these guys didn't have a good enough year to qualify as WR1 for anyone. Therefore I'd assume they would both slide a bit in the draft.

Heap was a good call.

 
Boldin and Fitzgerald could possibly be added to this list. It would depend on the league though. In my local leagues I'm fairly certain that these guys didn't have a good enough year to qualify as WR1 for anyone. Therefore I'd assume they would both slide a bit in the draft.Heap was a good call.
Fitz is #7 with standard FBG scoring. Pretty sure that's WR1 material.
 
anyone else think that Leinart deserves a mention here?

With two stud WRs and a strong likelihood of getting the job back, I have him as a QB2 with huge upside.

 
anyone else think that Leinart deserves a mention here?With two stud WRs and a strong likelihood of getting the job back, I have him as a QB2 with huge upside.
:confused:Although I dont see how great his upside would be with a Steeler offense plus QBBC, yes QBBC :excited:
 
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Jay Cutler, weapons returning add scary arsenal

Oline improvements would help some RBs like Benson tremendously

Late flyer on Chris Henry, RB worth the price

Greg Jennings going rounds later than Driver.

Calvin Johnson, most owner's I know are saying never again, thier expectations of the hype were too high...this year

Tony Scheffler, established in the passing game

NE new K, if you know who it is before he gets the job

Chicago, healthy, Safeties addressed and Briggs resigned, beter Oline helps O with Hesterized field position enhancing Def opportunities and ST TDs. It could happen.

 
Todd HeapHis season is a lost one due to injury, but he's played through them in the past. This year he obviously couldn't overcome the bad hammy.I can see him returning to the upper tier of TEs if he can manage to stay healthy. If nothing else, the lackluster Ravens offense (at least the passing game) has clearly shown how much it misses Heap's presence.
I see two problems with Heap; #1 Who is his QB going to be? #2 He hasn't been a stranger to injury in the past and I don't see that changingWith that said he may fall low enough to make him a great value even if he only plays 10 games, you could draft him along with a guy like Scheffler or Daniel and have a nice comboOthers I see fallingQBPeyton Manning - If Harrison is back at full force he could be a steal if he falls later in the 2nd or 3rdEli Manning - He won't be a stud but he gets better every year and I can see him falling RBWestbrook - Just because he seems to be undervalued every yearKevin Jones - He'll be a solid #2 RBThomas Jones - I can see him bouncing back McAllister - He may have a tough time bouncing back but if you can get him late enough it may be worth the riskWRJavon Walker Donald Driver - will probably fall quite a bit from where he was taken this year and a lot of pressure could be taken off him next year ala when Walker was in GBGalloway - nothing newSantana Moss - Could probably pick him up as a #3 WR with a ton of upside
 
Marion Barber III. He'll slide a little bit because of Julius Jones but he'll put up solid RB2 numbers.

I was one of the few people that watched Atlanta play Monday night and I liked what I saw from Laurent Robinson. If the Falcolns can get a decent QB Robinson could be the 2008 version of Brandon Marshall.

 
QB-Brees.........some owners will remember the bad start

RB-Edge..........if AZ improves the OL, then he may finally get the TDs as this yr, has plenty of yards w/o the corresponding TDs

WR-Chambers.....if San Diego (Rivers) can get on track, Chambers is the #1 WR there and will have a complete offseason to learn the entire offense

TE-V.Davis.........people will be gun-shy about taking 49ers next yr

 
Todd HeapHis season is a lost one due to injury, but he's played through them in the past. This year he obviously couldn't overcome the bad hammy.I can see him returning to the upper tier of TEs if he can manage to stay healthy. If nothing else, the lackluster Ravens offense (at least the passing game) has clearly shown how much it misses Heap's presence.
I see two problems with Heap; #1 Who is his QB going to be? #2 He hasn't been a stranger to injury in the past and I don't see that changingWith that said he may fall low enough to make him a great value even if he only plays 10 games, you could draft him along with a guy like Scheffler or Daniel and have a nice comboOthers I see fallingQBPeyton Manning - If Harrison is back at full force he could be a steal if he falls later in the 2nd or 3rdEli Manning - He won't be a stud but he gets better every year and I can see him falling RBWestbrook - Just because he seems to be undervalued every yearKevin Jones - He'll be a solid #2 RBThomas Jones - I can see him bouncing back McAllister - He may have a tough time bouncing back but if you can get him late enough it may be worth the riskWRJavon Walker Donald Driver - will probably fall quite a bit from where he was taken this year and a lot of pressure could be taken off him next year ala when Walker was in GBGalloway - nothing newSantana Moss - Could probably pick him up as a #3 WR with a ton of upside
With Manning's resurgence as of late and his ultra consistent production in the past, I just can't see a scenario where he falls past the mid-2nd, EVEN IF Harrison retires or is not at "full strength".
 
Todd HeapHis season is a lost one due to injury, but he's played through them in the past. This year he obviously couldn't overcome the bad hammy.I can see him returning to the upper tier of TEs if he can manage to stay healthy. If nothing else, the lackluster Ravens offense (at least the passing game) has clearly shown how much it misses Heap's presence.
I have no confidence in this guy. I traded for him in the offseason, and he has really hurt my team. No one can doubt that he is an elite talent, but I don't want any part of him unless I get him cheap.
 
rudy

steve smith

thomas jones

travis henry- could be a downright steal after this debacle of a steason (if he was still a starter), no?

gates- because everyone may look at witten, gonzo, winslow and think they are on the same level

peyton? given the year tbra and romo are having he could fly under the radar for the first time ever?

fwp? - may not drop more than 4 slots or so, but maybe his inability to get into the endzone helps a late first round pick next year

lt- only if someone takes adp before him could he be considered "underrated"

shaun alexander- maybe he bounces back...maybe

ok just a few that popped in my head in the last 2 min

 
You know how every year there's a few "shark" tips that get circulated so much that they just become the general consensus and end up turning somebody from overrated to underrated, or vice versa? You know, something like "The Pats never have a top WR because they spread the ball around too much"?

I could see "Chad Johnson isn't even the Bengals #1 WR anymore" being one of those nuggets next year. If Chris Henry has a big game or two down the stretch, someone will probably even tack on a "Hell, he may not even be there #2!"

 
I could see "Chad Johnson isn't even the Bengals #1 WR anymore" being one of those nuggets next year. If Chris Henry has a big game or two down the stretch, someone will probably even tack on a "Hell, he may not even be there #2!"
Sadly, people already say that. Chad is pretty underappreciated at the moment. A lot of people around here don't like him.

 
Keys Myaths said:
BLOX said:
Boldin and Fitzgerald could possibly be added to this list. It would depend on the league though. In my local leagues I'm fairly certain that these guys didn't have a good enough year to qualify as WR1 for anyone. Therefore I'd assume they would both slide a bit in the draft.Heap was a good call.
Fitz is #7 with standard FBG scoring. Pretty sure that's WR1 material.
Why do people keep doing this. I know how they are performing, I'm saying it's quiet. They may slide, so keep an eye on it.
 

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