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Top Ten Mobile QBs of all time (Vick is NOT number 1) (1 Viewer)
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This is a joke. Culpepper had some of the greatest fantasy seasons in history, in large part due to his feet (in larger part due to Randy Moss granted). He doesnt crack the top 10? Match up Culpepper's best seasons with Steve Young's, they are indestinguishable.
Marino is just absurd, you open that up and anybody is fair game. Brett Favre? Montana?
Marino is just absurd, you open that up and anybody is fair game. Brett Favre? Montana?
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Both Brett and Montana were VERY mobile their first 10 or so years.
Exactly. The point is there is a big difference between a running QB who can get out of the collapsing pocket and run or throw, and a QB that has great footwork and can move around IN the pocket. Favre probably has a shot at this list either way- when he got outside the pocket he was extremely dangerous. He belongs on this list way before Marino. For that matter, once you start counting footwork how can you leave out Manning and Brady?
switz
Footballguy
Mobile implies more than small steps... Marino was NOT mobile. Great in the pocket? Early in his career he was, but I never would have called him mobile, he was definitely a pocket QB.I'd argue that Marino was a MASTER at avoiding pressure, but he was as far from a scrambling QB as there has ever been. HE could side step and move upwards into the pocket, buying seconds, but thats it.I'd say McNair and Montana belong on this list. (And obviously Elway)It is. Watch the clip. I thought it was cool of Marino to go along with the joke, too.This must be some kind of joke.Dan Marino at #7?
Not even the most brainless of Marino's sycophant following will take this seriously.
ffldrew
Footballguy
I feel sorry for the younger members here that never got to see the likes of Fran Tarkenton play. When you watched the Vikings play back then you never took your eyes off the game, You never knew what might happen. Some of the best football I've ever watched!When Tarkenton retired it felt like a part of me died!Nice video, brought back memories of my younger days.
I remember seeing him play for the Giants
Dan Marino would make the top five list of least mobile quarterbacks, just after Bledsoe and Kosar (maybe ahead of Fouts).
He was a fantastic quarterback (I always take his side in the Montana vs. Marino vs. Elway vs. Favre arguments). But mobile he was not.
He was a fantastic quarterback (I always take his side in the Montana vs. Marino vs. Elway vs. Favre arguments). But mobile he was not.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
What's the best way to describe a list of the Top Ten Mobile QBs that includes Dan Marino but not John Elway?
Moronic?
Idiotic?
Softheaded?
Imbecilic?
Yeah, that's getting warmer...but I'm not sure I can summon a strong enough defammatory adjective for this steaming pile of crap.
Oh, and Steve Young = #1.
Moronic?
Idiotic?
Softheaded?
Imbecilic?
Yeah, that's getting warmer...but I'm not sure I can summon a strong enough defammatory adjective for this steaming pile of crap.
Oh, and Steve Young = #1.
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Phlash
Footballguy
Now we're cookin' with gas. Elway, Grogan, and Culpepper are all more deserving of being on this list than Marino.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Ge played in an era of much slower defenders too. Young or Cunningham should be #1.
I can't fathom how Marino is on this list. In 22 playoff games, he ran for 1 yd total!!!!! He had a super fast release which helped him in the pocket but that has nothing to do with Mobility!!!
Joe Montana def deserves consideration-- he was a very good rushing qb for much of his carreer and fantastic moving around the pocket (much better than Marino) his whole carreer.. His 310 playoff yds and 4.8 avg per rush rank very highly among the great Qb's.. His mobility made many of his most famous plays including "the Catch" possible...
If not him, then Elway... but Marino--- that's just beyond reason. You can always argue lists, but something that blatantly wrong destroys any credibilty.
Joe Montana def deserves consideration-- he was a very good rushing qb for much of his carreer and fantastic moving around the pocket (much better than Marino) his whole carreer.. His 310 playoff yds and 4.8 avg per rush rank very highly among the great Qb's.. His mobility made many of his most famous plays including "the Catch" possible...
If not him, then Elway... but Marino--- that's just beyond reason. You can always argue lists, but something that blatantly wrong destroys any credibilty.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
You can really tell who bothered to watch the videos to listen to the reasoning for the selections and who just decided to pop in here to mouth their opinion. I'm not saying that this is THE list, but at least argue the points they make and not just discount it entirely.
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I watched the video, and again, Marino on there is ridiculous... They have fun with it and do have differing opinions, but the basic premise of why he's on the list is- fast feet......
I did argue that point in my post--- it's his fast release that helped him in the pocket- - and that is NOT mobility... showing a few cool clips in all the games he played of him showing a bit of quickness in his feet does not translate into being the 7th best QB ever at it....
Montana was quicker + could run.. Elway was quick and could really run.... Marino could not run, was not quick, but could release the ball very fast and well... That's a great pocket passer, but not great mobility.
I did argue that point in my post--- it's his fast release that helped him in the pocket- - and that is NOT mobility... showing a few cool clips in all the games he played of him showing a bit of quickness in his feet does not translate into being the 7th best QB ever at it....
Montana was quicker + could run.. Elway was quick and could really run.... Marino could not run, was not quick, but could release the ball very fast and well... That's a great pocket passer, but not great mobility.
I'm sure plenty of people watched it, but it didn't really help. It's like putting Doug Flutie on a top ten list of tallest QBs. They could make an argument that tallness isn't all about height; it's also about making good use of passing lanes and seeing the whole field and whatnot, but it wouldn't be a persuasive argument.Similarly, the NFL.com guys can say that mobility isn't all about being being able to run fast; it's also about being able to slowly hobble sideways by a few feet. But it just doesn't ring true.
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Steve Young probably could have made an NFL roster as a running back, which is pretty darn impressive.Michael Vick probably could have started for a team at running back. That's who I'd put #1.
Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham would #3 and #4 on my list.
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GregR_2
Footballguy
To put Vick ahead of Young I think you have to do the same thing you criticized NFLN for doing to put Marino in there... you have to redefine the list from "Mobile Quarterback" to something else. They changed it to "Elusive Quarterback", and I think you're changing it to "Rushing Quarterback".Vick may be a better rusher, but there's no way I could see justifying that extra running ability making up for the fact of how much worse a quarterback he is than Young. Mobile only gets you so far, at some point you also need to satisfy the "quarterback" part too. Vick is light years worse a QB than was Young.
I read "Top Ten Mobile QBs" to mean the ten most mobile QBs, not the ten best QBs who are mobile. In other words, I think there's a case for putting Kordell Stewart on the list.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I don't think its a joke. If it were they wouldn't have: 1) been making fun of his lack of speed at the beginning, 2) quoting his detractors who said he wasn't mobile nor 3) pointing out that he wasn't on the list unanimously.The point was he was very "mobile" despite not being "fast" in the traditional sense. Since "mobile" is rather vague and open to interpretation, I can see where someone could make that argument. They are making the argument that he could use his body, particularly his feet, to avoid a sack or buy time without having to sprint like a deer to open space. Kinda like trying to ourtun a snake in a corn field or a closet. I'm more mobile in the cornfield, but the advantage goes to the snake in the confines of the closet.Ironic? Perhaps.A joke? No.If your definition of "mobile" includes restrictions for 40 times or cone drills, you may be arbitrarily limiting the universe of candidates. That was the point of his inclusion.Besides, Joe Theisman has the worst sense of humor I've ever seen. His praise of Marino is evidence enough.It is. Watch the clip. I thought it was cool of Marino to go along with the joke, too.This must be some kind of joke.Dan Marino at #7?
GregR_2
Footballguy
It just doesn't seem to me that anyone would care enough about a list of the Ten Most Mobile QBs as you are interpreting it, to put on TV. As opposed to the Top Ten QBs who are Mobile, as I think it was intended to be.In any event, I'll agree that the fact what the list is about is poorly defined is NFLN's fault.
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There's a logical trap here- you can't be a great QB if you cant move around in the pocket to avoid pressure or wont step up into the pocket. So if all you are doing is making a list of the top 10 QBs, who are almost by definition 'mobile', in which case the list is even more ridiculous. If Payton Manning shifts around the pocket as well as anybody, and he's 10x the QB a lot of these guys are, how is he not on the list? There is just no consistancy, which is worse than not defining your terms.
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I have a buddy who works for Rolling Stone and we have talked about how crazy some of the selections to the Best Ever Song, Album, Drummer, etc they do.. He said that the editors purposly put in "ringers" to get people crazed and talking.. In otherwords some of those crazy choices are planted so people will talk about the list, generating publicity, and more readership..
This HAS to be what the NFL guys did here with the Marino pick.... They're just trying to get people to the list and talking about it and obviously it has worked for most of us...
This HAS to be what the NFL guys did here with the Marino pick.... They're just trying to get people to the list and talking about it and obviously it has worked for most of us...
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
What did he say that was incorrect?Tarkenton really seems modest...
GregR_2
Footballguy
What did he say that was incorrect?Tarkenton really seems modest...
What does correctness have to do with being modest? Saying something factually correct can be immodest if it shows vanity, egotism, or boastfulness. How it's said can make it so in particular.
