NY/NJMFDIVER
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Mike and the Mad Dog reporting that he'll be back, after flying to Tampa with Cashman today. No word on a press conference, but an announcement before 4pm.
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Torre NOT Coming Back (1 Viewer)
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nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
Yanks had to drag this thing out huh
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Whoa, stunning development from WFAN, Joe Turns DOWN 1 year at 5 million(1.5 mil paycut) with a team option for 09. Strutcured to give 1 million dollar bonuses for each playoff round won, it looked like a done deal as Joe flew to Tampa today, but he's right back on a plane and coming home, no deal.
He'll be steamed, something must have fallen apart in that room for him to fly there and fly back! WOW!!!!
He'll be steamed, something must have fallen apart in that room for him to fly there and fly back! WOW!!!!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good for Joe, he's got too much class to be treated like that.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah how dare the Yankees try to offer him a 1.5 mil pay cut to make his salary 5 million dollars which would still be the highest contract in baseball for a manager. HOW DARE THEY
shadyridr
Footballguy
Since when is STILL being the highest paid manager in baseball, lowballing?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but Paycut=lowball even with the incentives
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Plus the possibility, with bonuses, to exceed his o7 salary...I think he was just fed up with the whole thing and the way it was handled and decided he didn't need the stress...
shadyridr
Footballguy
So they shouldve gave him the same salary for not getting out of the first round 3 years in a row? You wouldve thought he flew down to Tampa already agreeing on the contract in principal. Something mustve happened unless he just wanted to show up the Yanks and go out in a blaze of glory.
shadyridr
Footballguy
If thats how Torre felt than Im glad hes doing what will make him happy but to make this sound like the Yanks were the badguys in this is wrong.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Turned down a 1-year offer.
Honda?
Honda?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I don't get this insult stuff...
All of you saying they insulted or disrespected him, are you saying that a manager's salary can only go up?
Players sign new contracts for less than they had previously received all the time, and no one sees it as insulting...
Now you can say that the Yanks are stupid to get into a pissing match over 1.5 million if they really wanted him back, but it is hardly an insult, IMO...
All of you saying they insulted or disrespected him, are you saying that a manager's salary can only go up?
Players sign new contracts for less than they had previously received all the time, and no one sees it as insulting...
Now you can say that the Yanks are stupid to get into a pissing match over 1.5 million if they really wanted him back, but it is hardly an insult, IMO...
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Are you serious?Who the hell comes back for less money? Even in the corporate world, people rarely do that. And when they do, they generally don't hang around much longer. They already have one foot out the door looking for another job.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
If they wanted him to remain manager, yes. At this pay grade (whether it be CEO, Wall St guy, or baseball manager), no one with any dignity takes a voluntary pay cut, EVER.
Statorama
Footballguy
1 year? What a slap in the face.He'd make an excellent manager for the Brewers. It'd be worth 15,000 season ticket sales at least.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Players sign for less, because they age and they don't perform as well or have injuries.I have never heard of a Manager coming back for less money.
Koya
Footballguy
Yes, Honda. There is a thead about this in the baseball forum.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=357134
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=357134
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Exactly. Torre knows full well they can afford him so offering him a pay cut is just an insult.Who the hell would go back under those circumstances?Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
But he didn;t perform as well as they expected when they signed him to his last contract...So they offered a lower one, but one that could conditionally be worth more if he performed up to their expectations... He rejected it...That's fine...But to call it an insult is incorrect, IMO...
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Players after a certain point are wasting assets whose performance goes down over time....that isn't true of any type of managerial position which is why those people in those positions almost never see their salaries decline.
Koya
Footballguy
The real question here imo is not the direct impact of losing Torre, but rather how this affects and shapes the team this coming year (and in the future).
Will Jorge be less likely to sign? How about Rivera?
Do the yanks WANT to REALLY turn the page of this "dynasty era" - which has only been an era the past 7 years and not a dynasty? Do they want to go full youth movement with their exceptional young arms and build for the future (which in yankee land would mean WS contender in '08).
Lots of questions raised here by the ripple effects to come.
Will Jorge be less likely to sign? How about Rivera?
Do the yanks WANT to REALLY turn the page of this "dynasty era" - which has only been an era the past 7 years and not a dynasty? Do they want to go full youth movement with their exceptional young arms and build for the future (which in yankee land would mean WS contender in '08).
Lots of questions raised here by the ripple effects to come.
shadyridr
Footballguy
And remember that the lower contract would still make him the highest paid manager in baseball with bonuses that wouldve made him the same money as last year. Also, remember that there is no way Torre gets 5 million anywhere else.
Wasn't Guidry already fired?I wouldn't be surprised to see Tony LaRussa in New York now...
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Considering the way they have thrown money around the last few years on players that didn't show up in the playoffs, 1.5 million is nothing.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I don't know any Manager with dignity that would accept a pay cut under those circumstances. None.I don't know people in the corporate world who would do it either. It is an insult.
Koya
Footballguy
Well, his managerial career pre yankees was not very good. He did some decent work and had some very bad teams.That said, there are few, if any, managers that I know of who could handle the confluence of NY pressure, NY media, the NY owner and the NY Egos on the yankees team as well as Torre. I dont think any other manager would have brought them back from the brink LAST year, not to speak of this season that just ended. No one. The team would have imploded under the pressure - and Torre is as gifted as anyone at deflecting that pressure. He is not a LaRussa type that can get a meh team or bad team to overperform, but he also is unmatched in his ability to manage a team of superstar and ego during the season.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
And that is a totally valid argument, but I think the offer they made was more than fair...
Before I begin... I am a Mets fan....
I can't say I blame Torre.... this year of all years he's done a good job with all the rookie pitchers he had to use, etc. He actually did some managing and he got treated like cr@p.
I hope Mariano, Jorge, Pettite, et al leave right behind him!
I can't say I blame Torre.... this year of all years he's done a good job with all the rookie pitchers he had to use, etc. He actually did some managing and he got treated like cr@p.
I hope Mariano, Jorge, Pettite, et al leave right behind him!
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Barry Bonds
shadyridr
Footballguy
I doubt this will be the ultimate factor in whether Posada or Rivera resign but it may influence them. Posada said his decision will not be made based on what happened to Torre. Rivera said it would be hard for him to resign if Torre was gone but that doesnt make sense cuz hed have to play for a new manager anywhere else he went. Probably just a negotiation ploy.
Koya
Footballguy
Hey bud, what part of BASEBALL FORUM do you not understand?
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Seriously, Shady, Tremendous.
How would you feel if the company you worked for, continued to profit as they always did but said to you, we want you to stay but you are going to have to take a pay cut.
Exactly how desperate would you have to be to stay at that job? You don't think you would be looking for another job?
You guys are not fooling me.
How would you feel if the company you worked for, continued to profit as they always did but said to you, we want you to stay but you are going to have to take a pay cut.
Exactly how desperate would you have to be to stay at that job? You don't think you would be looking for another job?
You guys are not fooling me.
Running with scissors
Stark Raving Sane
Hey bud, what part of BASEBALL FORUM do you not understand?
Who goes to the beisbol forum?
