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Torre's Book (1 Viewer)

Reaper

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As Yankee fans go, I was never the biggest Torre fan and I was ready for a shakeup 5 years before it happened..... I get the whole, "He's so relaxed he keeps everyone even keeled" thing... But, we all know he was never the greatest "manager". IMO this guy stepped in ####. The Yankees made him. He came along at a time where tons of managers could have walked away with all that money and fanfare....

I think it's an insult and total disrepsect to come out with a book ripping players and people still in the game - come out with the book 10 years from now and it's one thing but, for now on Joe Torre is a #### to me..... He should have left a long time ago if he had these feelings and IMO the Yankees were right in being luke warm on keeping him... They should have just fired him a long time ago.

So, does this mean, that if the Yankees ponied up some more money, Torre would have sat here, taken it all and still worked with all these primdonnas???? Stupid Joe, I think that makes YOU the scorned FOOL looking for another dollar or else you cry.

TORRE RIPS 'A-FRAUD' & BOSS' BRASS BOZOS

January 25, 2009

Scorned skipper Joe Torre is blasting the Yankees - calling many of his former players prima donnas, confessing he stopped trusting the powers that be years before he left the team and charging that general manager Brian Cashman betrayed him.

In an explosive new book called "The Yankee Years," Torre gets most personal in his attacks against Alex Rodriguez, who he says was called "A-Fraud" by his teammates after he developed a "Single White Female"-like obsession with team captain Derek Jeter and asked for a personal clubhouse assistant to run errands for him.

Torre, who left the Yankees and became manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers after the 2007 season, says Cashman never told the brass that the manager wanted a two-year deal and instead remained silent during Torre's tense final sitdown with the bosses.

The book also reveals that, during spring training in 1999, team doctors revealed to owner George Steinbrenner that Torre had prostate cancer - even before informing the manager himself.

The 477-page tell-all, which The Post purchased from a city bookstore last week, is written by co-author Tom Verducci, a longtime Sports Illustrated reporter.

Torre recounts his 12-year career in New York through interviews. It is being published by Doubleday.

A father figure in the dugout, Torre became the second-winningest manager in Yankee history, bringing the team into postseason play every year from 1996 to 2007.

Torre spent years trying to bring out a winning performance from A-Rod, the highest-paid player in baseball, which from all reported accounts included a lot of hand-holding and battling the insecurities and demons Rodriguez struggles with.

And while the Bombers would win four world championships under Torre's watch by 2000, there were years of tension over management's choice of players and the growing silence between him and Yankee brass.

Torre's exit in the fall of 2007 came after a 20-minute meeting over his contract with Steinbrenner and other Yankee officials at the team's Tampa, Fla., office.

At the time, the skipper was coming off a tough and highly scrutinized season. He was seeking a two-year contract with the possibility of a buyout.

The Yankees - in a leadership crisis as Steinbrenner dealt with health issues and his sons, Hank and Hal, tried to step into the void - would only offer a one-year deal at a 30 percent pay cut.

Torre felt that if he didn't get a multiyear deal, the intense media scrutiny would continue.

When he announced that he was leaving the team, Torre told reporters that he found the offer insulting but that he considered Cashman one of the few officials in the meeting to have his back.

Time has clearly soured those sentiments.

 
I will wait to read the book before I pass judgement, but I do not see anything too inflammatorre (teehee) here. It looks to me that the Post may be hyping it a bit much.

 
Smart people will judge the book upon actually reading it and not reading preliminary reports prior to its publication.
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I don't like the fact that he wrote a book at all at this point...Joe always talked about the Yankee uniform "Changing a person" and how what happens in a locker room stays in a locker room....Joe always played himself off as a guy who was above stuff like this.. As a matter od fact, i think writing a book at this point IS primadonna like...
 
Without reading one word of this, I can already tell you that I've lost a lot of respect for one Joe Torre.
Why? I've got more respect for him now.
Why would you?I'm with Reaper here. There's a lot to the what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse mentality. Especially if you are/were the supposed leader of said clubhouse.He says one thing about a player that comes off as wrong, he has 25 players in that Dodgers clubhouse looking at him wondering what he's going to write about them 5 years from now. Great way lead. Great way to inspire.He needed to be completely out of the game, and not looking back, to do something like this.
 
I have to disagree with the OP here. As a longtime Yankee fan, I have tremendous respect for Torre, and at the same time have lost a lot of respect for the Yankee organization. After guys like O'Neil & Martinez left the team, the Yanks went out and brought in a bunch of aging stars (Damon, Abreu, Randy J., etc.) and made bad signings (Giambi, Pavano, etc.) to try and fill the void, and ended up blaming Torre when things didn't work out. And then there's A-Rod, who is in fact a primadonna regardless of what all these blind yankee fans think. This guy has 2 HR's and 7 RBI's in games where the Yanks win 14-2 but bats .100 in the playoffs three years in a row. Torre has every right to blame the Yanks for the debacle that they have become. Some writer in the Daily News today had the nerve to write that Torre is a diminishing figure in the game and basically wrote him off as a has-been. This guy just took the Dodgers to the NLCS, a team that overachieved and had not been relevant in baseball since the Gibson HR!! What a joke.

I am sick at what the Yankees have become and applaud Torre for calling out this primadonna franchise. They have turned from a team that brought guys up from the farm (Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Rivera, Soriano) founded on heart & soul (O'Neil, Martinez) to an overpaid old-timers all star team where guys go out to pasture before calling it quits, not to mention A-Rod who is more concerned about stats and making headlines in the big city. And they think spending $500M on three players will fix everything? Good luck.

 
Without reading one word of this, I can already tell you that I've lost a lot of respect for one Joe Torre.
Why? I've got more respect for him now.
Why would you?I'm with Reaper here. There's a lot to the what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse mentality. Especially if you are/were the supposed leader of said clubhouse.
Ball Four down? That train left the station a long time ago...
 
Without reading one word of this, I can already tell you that I've lost a lot of respect for one Joe Torre.
Why? I've got more respect for him now.
Why would you?I'm with Reaper here. There's a lot to the what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse mentality. Especially if you are/were the supposed leader of said clubhouse.
Ball Four down? That train left the station a long time ago...
And Jim Bouton was persona non grata for 20+ years with the Yankees as a result of it. He wasn't even invoited to Old Timers games or celebrations of the 1963 WS team (he pitched a 4 hitter into the 8th and lost 1-0 to Drysdale's 3-hit, complete game) because of what he wrote about Mantle and his womanizing and drinking.
 
Without reading one word of this, I can already tell you that I've lost a lot of respect for one Joe Torre.
Why? I've got more respect for him now.
Why would you?I'm with Reaper here. There's a lot to the what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse mentality. Especially if you are/were the supposed leader of said clubhouse.
Ball Four down? That train left the station a long time ago...
Quite aware of Ball Four. When you can find another example of an active manager pulling this crap instead of some has-been, end of the line, pitcher, we'll talk about what train is in what station.
 
I have to disagree with the OP here. As a longtime Yankee fan, I have tremendous respect for Torre, and at the same time have lost a lot of respect for the Yankee organization. After guys like O'Neil & Martinez left the team, the Yanks went out and brought in a bunch of aging stars (Damon, Abreu, Randy J., etc.) and made bad signings (Giambi, Pavano, etc.) to try and fill the void, and ended up blaming Torre when things didn't work out. And then there's A-Rod, who is in fact a primadonna regardless of what all these blind yankee fans think. This guy has 2 HR's and 7 RBI's in games where the Yanks win 14-2 but bats .100 in the playoffs three years in a row. Torre has every right to blame the Yanks for the debacle that they have become. Some writer in the Daily News today had the nerve to write that Torre is a diminishing figure in the game and basically wrote him off as a has-been. This guy just took the Dodgers to the NLCS, a team that overachieved and had not been relevant in baseball since the Gibson HR!! What a joke.I am sick at what the Yankees have become and applaud Torre for calling out this primadonna franchise. They have turned from a team that brought guys up from the farm (Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Rivera, Soriano) founded on heart & soul (O'Neil, Martinez) to an overpaid old-timers all star team where guys go out to pasture before calling it quits, not to mention A-Rod who is more concerned about stats and making headlines in the big city. And they think spending $500M on three players will fix everything? Good luck.
First off, there have been stretches where ARod carries the Yankees offensively and they dont makethe playoffs without him many of the past several years. Maybe once they get there someone else could step up and earn their $10+ Mil/yr salary? Take a look at what Jeter's done in the post season lately, and add in his hack defense. As for Torre's job this past year, he didnt get them into the playoffs - Manny did. Manny, who had to make up for loafing it half a season during a contract year. This amazing managing job Torre did barely had the team over .500 in the worst division in baseball. Yes, they beat a favored Cubs team in the first round, but big deal. Upsets happen all the time in the MLB playoffs, especially in the first round. In the second round they got crushed. Fact of the matter is, Torre didnt change the Dodgers into a much better team - they went to a slightly below average team to an above average team after a huge influx of talent.Before I pass judgment, I'll wait for some people to read the book.
 
This is nothing more than book hype

Besides, can anyone blame Torre for firing back at the Yankee's?

They threw him under the bus, and he's getting some payback.

 
Without reading one word of this, I can already tell you that I've lost a lot of respect for one Joe Torre.
Why? I've got more respect for him now.
Why would you?I'm with Reaper here. There's a lot to the what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse mentality. Especially if you are/were the supposed leader of said clubhouse.



He says one thing about a player that comes off as wrong, he has 25 players in that Dodgers clubhouse looking at him wondering what he's going to write about them 5 years from now. Great way lead. Great way to inspire.

He needed to be completely out of the game, and not looking back, to do something like this.
:goodposting:
 
But Torre co-wrote this book if I am not mistaken. Let's read the thing first, then determine if he really is a Jerk.

What a story.. Cashman is a jerk, allegedly, Torre writes a book about it, Manny doesn't want to play for a jerk manager, and so he skips out on LA LA Land and takes a cash deal in NY....... crazier things have happened.

 
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I have to disagree with the OP here. As a longtime Yankee fan, I have tremendous respect for Torre, and at the same time have lost a lot of respect for the Yankee organization. After guys like O'Neil & Martinez left the team, the Yanks went out and brought in a bunch of aging stars (Damon, Abreu, Randy J., etc.) and made bad signings (Giambi, Pavano, etc.) to try and fill the void, and ended up blaming Torre when things didn't work out. And then there's A-Rod, who is in fact a primadonna regardless of what all these blind yankee fans think. This guy has 2 HR's and 7 RBI's in games where the Yanks win 14-2 but bats .100 in the playoffs three years in a row. Torre has every right to blame the Yanks for the debacle that they have become. Some writer in the Daily News today had the nerve to write that Torre is a diminishing figure in the game and basically wrote him off as a has-been. This guy just took the Dodgers to the NLCS, a team that overachieved and had not been relevant in baseball since the Gibson HR!! What a joke.I am sick at what the Yankees have become and applaud Torre for calling out this primadonna franchise. They have turned from a team that brought guys up from the farm (Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Rivera, Soriano) founded on heart & soul (O'Neil, Martinez) to an overpaid old-timers all star team where guys go out to pasture before calling it quits, not to mention A-Rod who is more concerned about stats and making headlines in the big city. And they think spending $500M on three players will fix everything? Good luck.
I susepct you're a bit younger than me if you think the Yankees were a team that was usually built from the farm system... Regardless.. Torre was supposed to be the old wise man that kept his trap shut and smoothed things over when idiots wrote books like this....I just think it's classless to still be in the game and write about players and people still in the game.He obviously needed the money.... I thought he was above this Cuz this book screams MONEY to me, otherwise I thought Torre would be smart enough to just say "No Comment" at this place and time.
 
I have always thought Torre was a big phony and now a lot of other people will think so too. When he left the Yankees he said money had nothing to do with it. Why did he leave though? Because he was offered a contract for less money than the year before and called it an insult that he had to reach incentives to reach his previous salary. When Torre was with the Yankees he said what happens in the clubhouse stays there. He is gone less than two years and is already revealing clubhouse happenings.

I hope next week when Torre comments on the book he does not try to run from what is written in it. His name is on the cover and he better own up to everything in it. Writing it in the third person narrative seems like a way for him to get out what he wants without having to own up to it.

And if he is such a big Derek Jeter guy why would he come out with this stuff? This stuff coming out in a book does not make it easier for him to play with ARod this year.

Torre is a bitter man and this book should have never come out until he is out of baseball, if ever. I do not want to hear about Saint Joe taking the high road again.

 
I susepct you're a bit younger than me if you think the Yankees were a team that was usually built from the farm system...
No, I've been going to games since the 70's. I didn't mean to imply that the Yanks were usually built from the farm system, rather when they were winning titles it was due to bringing talented guys up from the farm, not going out and getting aged, overpaid players going out to pasture. Things may be different with Tex and CC, but color me skeptical. I've been through this routine too many times with this team.
 
Ball Four down? That train left the station a long time ago...
And Jim Bouton was persona non grata for 20+ years with the Yankees as a result of it. He wasn't even invoited to Old Timers games or celebrations of the 1963 WS team (he pitched a 4 hitter into the 8th and lost 1-0 to Drysdale's 3-hit, complete game) because of what he wrote about Mantle and his womanizing and drinking.
IMO, that had more to do with the exploding of the myth of St Mickey than anything else. My point is that if you think nobody does kiss and tell books in sports, this wouldn't be novel. It's been done before.
Ball Four down? That train left the station a long time ago...
Quite aware of Ball Four. When you can find another example of an active manager pulling this crap instead of some has-been, end of the line, pitcher, we'll talk about what train is in what station.
See above. Telling tales out of school is as old as the school. :confused: It's just that sports is the last vestige of where its frowned upon.I don't like Torre much, but I'm sensing a measure of ungratefulness on the part of Yanks fans. Personally, I think you'd want to read the book before blasting him, but that's just me...

 
Just listened to Tom Verducci on Mike Franceser. Apparently, Mr. Torre does not take shots at people here. He talks about situations that have already been discussed in the press.

I am still going to reserve any judgement until I actually read the book.

 
I don't like Torre much, but I'm sensing a measure of ungratefulness on the part of Yanks fans. Personally, I think you'd want to read the book before blasting him, but that's just me...
1) As a Yankees fan I was never one of Torre's biggest fans, again as I said, I thought he stepped in ####. He was nothing before the Yankees and he served during a time that many managers could have won IMO - He was known, NOT as being a great coach but, for keeping the clubhouse together and keeping things private. So, if I'm ungrateful, at least I'm consistent.2) I don't like the fact that his name is on book about his old team at this point period - I've seen enough. IMO, of Torre wanted to be the Torre that people pretend he is he would have nothing to do with a book right now.
 
This is nothing more than book hypeBesides, can anyone blame Torre for firing back at the Yankee's? They threw him under the bus, and he's getting some payback.
I would hope someone would throw me under the bus by extending me a contract that would keep my salary #1 in my industry.
 
Neyer had an interesting stat on his blog today. Yanks averages 97 wins during the 4 WS in 5 years stretch. In the 7 or 8 seasons since, they've averaged 97 wins. Sounds like the Yanks used up all their luck in one stretch and things are balancing out now. Torre got too much credit for the victories and also too much blame for the recent troubles in the postseason.

 
Neyer had an interesting stat on his blog today. Yanks averages 97 wins during the 4 WS in 5 years stretch. In the 7 or 8 seasons since, they've averaged 97 wins. Sounds like the Yanks used up all their luck in one stretch and things are balancing out now. Torre got too much credit for the victories and also too much blame for the recent troubles in the postseason.
The problem for the Yankees hasn ot been in the regular season. In the Torre playoff run, the Yankees were really only super-human in the post season in 98 and 99. The rest of the time they scored when they needed to but seemed to get some luck in when the runs were scored for either side (even in their other 2 WS winning seasons).95 33 runs scored, 35 runs allowed (2-3)96 61 runs scored, 61 runs allowed (11-4)97 24 runs scored, 21 runs allowed (2-3)98 62 runs scored, 34 runs allowed (11-2)99 58 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (11-1)00 69 runs scored, 57 runs allowed (11-5)01 58 runs scored, 72 runs allowed (10-7)02 25 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (1-3)03 67 runs scored, 52 runs allowed (9-8)04 66 runs scored, 58 runs allowed (6-5)05 20 runs scored, 25 runs allowed (2-3)06 14 runs scored, 22 runs allowed (1-3)07 16 runs scored, 24 runs allowed (1-3)Since winning in 2000, NY is 30-31 with 266 runs scored and 284 runs allowed.WHY they haven't been the same in the playoffs is likely a topic for its own thread.
 
Neyer had an interesting stat on his blog today. Yanks averages 97 wins during the 4 WS in 5 years stretch. In the 7 or 8 seasons since, they've averaged 97 wins. Sounds like the Yanks used up all their luck in one stretch and things are balancing out now. Torre got too much credit for the victories and also too much blame for the recent troubles in the postseason.
The problem for the Yankees hasn ot been in the regular season. In the Torre playoff run, the Yankees were really only super-human in the post season in 98 and 99. The rest of the time they scored when they needed to but seemed to get some luck in when the runs were scored for either side (even in their other 2 WS winning seasons).95 33 runs scored, 35 runs allowed (2-3)96 61 runs scored, 61 runs allowed (11-4)97 24 runs scored, 21 runs allowed (2-3)98 62 runs scored, 34 runs allowed (11-2)99 58 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (11-1)00 69 runs scored, 57 runs allowed (11-5)01 58 runs scored, 72 runs allowed (10-7)02 25 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (1-3)03 67 runs scored, 52 runs allowed (9-8)04 66 runs scored, 58 runs allowed (6-5)05 20 runs scored, 25 runs allowed (2-3)06 14 runs scored, 22 runs allowed (1-3)07 16 runs scored, 24 runs allowed (1-3)Since winning in 2000, NY is 30-31 with 266 runs scored and 284 runs allowed.WHY they haven't been the same in the playoffs is likely a topic for its own thread.
since clutchibility is dismissed by so many on this board...I'd say that it's because good pitching usually beats good hitting. You get the top of the rotation in the playoffs.
 
Neyer had an interesting stat on his blog today. Yanks averages 97 wins during the 4 WS in 5 years stretch. In the 7 or 8 seasons since, they've averaged 97 wins. Sounds like the Yanks used up all their luck in one stretch and things are balancing out now. Torre got too much credit for the victories and also too much blame for the recent troubles in the postseason.
The problem for the Yankees hasn ot been in the regular season. In the Torre playoff run, the Yankees were really only super-human in the post season in 98 and 99. The rest of the time they scored when they needed to but seemed to get some luck in when the runs were scored for either side (even in their other 2 WS winning seasons).95 33 runs scored, 35 runs allowed (2-3)

96 61 runs scored, 61 runs allowed (11-4)

97 24 runs scored, 21 runs allowed (2-3)

98 62 runs scored, 34 runs allowed (11-2)

99 58 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (11-1)

00 69 runs scored, 57 runs allowed (11-5)

01 58 runs scored, 72 runs allowed (10-7)

02 25 runs scored, 31 runs allowed (1-3)

03 67 runs scored, 52 runs allowed (9-8)

04 66 runs scored, 58 runs allowed (6-5)

05 20 runs scored, 25 runs allowed (2-3)

06 14 runs scored, 22 runs allowed (1-3)

07 16 runs scored, 24 runs allowed (1-3)

Since winning in 2000, NY is 30-31 with 266 runs scored and 284 runs allowed.

WHY they haven't been the same in the playoffs is likely a topic for its own thread.
This is a bit misplaced...take 2003...the Yankees were under .500 (18-19) and were outscored 180-193 against the next 3 best AL teams (Seattle, Oakland, and Boston). Basically the same thing in 2004. That wasn't the case in '98, '99 when they basically outscored everyone during the regular season. Those late 90's teams were a whole lot better than any of the 2000's teams which is why they were better on average in the postseason.Of course none of this really means much in saying anything about Torre's managerial skills besides saying at least he didn't screw up those late 90's teams.

 
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I don't like Torre much, but I'm sensing a measure of ungratefulness on the part of Yanks fans. Personally, I think you'd want to read the book before blasting him, but that's just me...
1) As a Yankees fan I was never one of Torre's biggest fans, again as I said, I thought he stepped in ####. He was nothing before the Yankees and he served during a time that many managers could have won IMO - He was known, NOT as being a great coach but, for keeping the clubhouse together and keeping things private. So, if I'm ungrateful, at least I'm consistent.2) I don't like the fact that his name is on book about his old team at this point period - I've seen enough. IMO, of Torre wanted to be the Torre that people pretend he is he would have nothing to do with a book right now.
I would agree 110% with you on point 1. His previous managerial stops were nothing to write home about and he did fall into a great situation in NY.IMO you're consistent. You want a clean break and want to keep his name out of your mouth. I can understand that. If only I can do that with Eric Wedge. :rolleyes:
 
I don't like Torre much, but I'm sensing a measure of ungratefulness on the part of Yanks fans. Personally, I think you'd want to read the book before blasting him, but that's just me...
1) As a Yankees fan I was never one of Torre's biggest fans, again as I said, I thought he stepped in ####. He was nothing before the Yankees and he served during a time that many managers could have won IMO - He was known, NOT as being a great coach but, for keeping the clubhouse together and keeping things private. So, if I'm ungrateful, at least I'm consistent.2) I don't like the fact that his name is on book about his old team at this point period - I've seen enough. IMO, of Torre wanted to be the Torre that people pretend he is he would have nothing to do with a book right now.
I would agree 110% with you on point 1. His previous managerial stops were nothing to write home about and he did fall into a great situation in NY.IMO you're consistent. You want a clean break and want to keep his name out of your mouth. I can understand that. If only I can do that with Eric Wedge. :wall:
linkto nomaas.org
NOMAAS EXCLUSIVE: Torre to release second book, The Pre-Yankee Years

Highlights of the book include:

- His 894-1003 record before he went to the Yankees

- Blaming everyone else for winning only one division title in 15 seasons

- Feeling betrayed by GM Frank Cashen after leading the Mets to a 286-420 record

And last but not least, his inability to handle a pitching staff and his poor work ethic:

There were whispers about his problems handling pitchers, teaching fundamentals, arriving at the ballpark too late and leaving too early. (Source: The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Feb 2 1985, Page B2)
:wub:
 
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I don't like Torre much, but I'm sensing a measure of ungratefulness on the part of Yanks fans. Personally, I think you'd want to read the book before blasting him, but that's just me...
1) As a Yankees fan I was never one of Torre's biggest fans, again as I said, I thought he stepped in ####. He was nothing before the Yankees and he served during a time that many managers could have won IMO - He was known, NOT as being a great coach but, for keeping the clubhouse together and keeping things private. So, if I'm ungrateful, at least I'm consistent.2) I don't like the fact that his name is on book about his old team at this point period - I've seen enough. IMO, of Torre wanted to be the Torre that people pretend he is he would have nothing to do with a book right now.
I would agree 110% with you on point 1. His previous managerial stops were nothing to write home about and he did fall into a great situation in NY.IMO you're consistent. You want a clean break and want to keep his name out of your mouth. I can understand that. If only I can do that with Eric Wedge. :wall:
linkto nomaas.org
NOMAAS EXCLUSIVE: Torre to release second book, The Pre-Yankee Years

Highlights of the book include:

- His 894-1003 record before he went to the Yankees

- Blaming everyone else for winning only one division title in 15 seasons

- Feeling betrayed by GM Frank Cashen after leading the Mets to a 286-420 record

And last but not least, his inability to handle a pitching staff and his poor work ethic:

There were whispers about his problems handling pitchers, teaching fundamentals, arriving at the ballpark too late and leaving too early. (Source: The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Feb 2 1985, Page B2)
:lmao:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Seriously though, it was very shortsighted on Torre's part to take the quick buck with a few book sales.

 
List of Yankee World Series winning managers in the last 30 years not named Torre:
List of Yankee World Series winning managers in the last 32 years not named Torre:Billy Martin, Bob Lemon
Some of the people on this board were not even born then.
The Yankees suffered through the 80s for the same reasons they suffered the past 8 years: focus on signing high priced veterans past their peak, and disastrous starting pitching.The 90s dynasty Yankees were built upon the Steinbrenner suspension when Gene Michael was left to run the team.
 
linkto nomaas.org

NOMAAS EXCLUSIVE: Torre to release second book, The Pre-Yankee Years

Highlights of the book include:

- His 894-1003 record before he went to the Yankees

- Blaming everyone else for winning only one division title in 15 seasons

- Feeling betrayed by GM Frank Cashen after leading the Mets to a 286-420 record

And last but not least, his inability to handle a pitching staff and his poor work ethic:

There were whispers about his problems handling pitchers, teaching fundamentals, arriving at the ballpark too late and leaving too early. (Source: The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Feb 2 1985, Page B2)
:bye:
:confused: :crazy: :crazy: :lmao:
 
List of Yankee World Series winning managers in the last 30 years not named Torre:
List of Yankee World Series winning managers in the last 32 years not named Torre:Billy Martin, Bob Lemon
Some of the people on this board were not even born then.
I'm not one of 'em. I remember those years.As an odd fact, Yankee fans should be happy there's a Democrat in the White House. The last time the Yanks won the WS with the GOP in power was 1958.
 
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As Yankee fans go, I was never the biggest Torre fan and I was ready for a shakeup 5 years before it happened.....
so like what, 2 years after the guy managed 4 WS winners? With "fans" like you, I can understand why he would want to dish on the former organization...
 
I have to disagree with the OP here. As a longtime Yankee fan, I have tremendous respect for Torre, and at the same time have lost a lot of respect for the Yankee organization. After guys like O'Neil & Martinez left the team, the Yanks went out and brought in a bunch of aging stars (Damon, Abreu, Randy J., etc.) and made bad signings (Giambi, Pavano, etc.) to try and fill the void, and ended up blaming Torre when things didn't work out. And then there's A-Rod, who is in fact a primadonna regardless of what all these blind yankee fans think. This guy has 2 HR's and 7 RBI's in games where the Yanks win 14-2 but bats .100 in the playoffs three years in a row. Torre has every right to blame the Yanks for the debacle that they have become. Some writer in the Daily News today had the nerve to write that Torre is a diminishing figure in the game and basically wrote him off as a has-been. This guy just took the Dodgers to the NLCS, a team that overachieved and had not been relevant in baseball since the Gibson HR!! What a joke.I am sick at what the Yankees have become and applaud Torre for calling out this primadonna franchise. They have turned from a team that brought guys up from the farm (Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Rivera, Soriano) founded on heart & soul (O'Neil, Martinez) to an overpaid old-timers all star team where guys go out to pasture before calling it quits, not to mention A-Rod who is more concerned about stats and making headlines in the big city. And they think spending $500M on three players will fix everything? Good luck.
VERY :tumbleweed: The Yankees will miss Torre for years to come, he was the glue that held the Yankees together on the field. As a Twins fan, I was glad to see Torre go to the NL and beat up on teams over their.
 
As Yankee fans go, I was never the biggest Torre fan and I was ready for a shakeup 5 years before it happened.....
so like what, 2 years after the guy managed 4 WS winners? With "fans" like you, I can understand why he would want to dish on the former organization...
Well, the key word there was NEVER but, thanks.I just never thought much of him as a manager before being a Yankee with his horrendous record or during when he had a loaded team already groomed for Wins.I thought Showalter did the dirty work and was a better mgr - I'm also a fan of Girardi's so, we'll see how that works out.
 
I read somewhere that Torre claims to have had no idea that Giambi was doing Roids.

If he writes that, then he is a liar.

 

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