Torrey Smith and Denarius Moore both came in as rookies and posted pretty good years, primarily as deep threats. Moore led the league in aDOT(average depth of target) at 18.7, while Smith came in 2nd at 17.4. Both were pretty hit or miss types, exploding one week and then posting 4 points the next. Moore has Palmer at QB, and he has shown a willingness to chuck it up. But he's also older. Smith has Flacco, who is younger, and if nothing else, is a very good long ball thrower. The WR situation in OAK is much more packed than the one in BAL. Which one do you prefer and why?
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Torrey Smith vs Denarius Moore (1 Viewer)
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
By Carson Palmer being older, you mean older as in still younger than Drew Brees, Peyton Mannning and Tom Brady? Older is in washed up coming off the couch from semi-retirement averaging 293 yards per game and close to 2TD's a game? Older as in just finishing is best season in terms of YPA? Older is somehow a bad thing? Flacco who is younger (agreed) is "a very good ball thrower" in your words and Palmer "Chucks it up". Yet which one has the better carrer completion percentage? Please explain.
Didn't mean to insult your team. I was using older more in reference in comparing the two QBs. He's also 32. The "chuck it up" comment came in regards to Palmer throwing 15 picks in 9 games, for a rate of 1.66 a game. They're also transitioning to a WCO, which is more timing based. Flacco is a mediocre QB. But he is a good long ball thrower IMO. Sorry to offend you so much
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
It's ok, I'm not easily offended, and you didn't offend me. I just wanted to understand the context. I think the WCO is going to reign in Palmer's Int's some, and it may also lower his YPA. Having said that, I don't consider Flacco anything more than mediocre and he has that maddening tendency to look down in the ground when things are going bad. I just don't think he's going to ever lead any team to a championship with that demeanor, but we'll see. Peace.
massraider
Footballguy
I love Moore.
But Torrey Smith I would probably take over him by a round or so, which I think their ADP represents. Moore showed a lot of stuff his rookie year. Smith showed more. And there's a lot less mouths to feed in BAL. Only one back to throw to, he is battling an aging Boldin, Jacoby Jones and Doss for WR targets.
He had 104 targets last year. I expect that to go up. I love them both in dynasty, but for this year, I think Torrey outscores him.
But Torrey Smith I would probably take over him by a round or so, which I think their ADP represents. Moore showed a lot of stuff his rookie year. Smith showed more. And there's a lot less mouths to feed in BAL. Only one back to throw to, he is battling an aging Boldin, Jacoby Jones and Doss for WR targets.
He had 104 targets last year. I expect that to go up. I love them both in dynasty, but for this year, I think Torrey outscores him.
Dirk Digler
Footballguy
Moore and it's not close. IMHO. Let's put it this way, I play in a bunch of dynasty leagues. If given the opportunity to trade for one of them, I would pay much more for Moore.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Honestly, I have Moore - and it's close. I think massraider's point is spot on. There are a lot fewer target hogs in Baltimore than in Oakland. Now, if you're asking which is more talented WR, it's Moore by a decent margin (but it's still close). So when the OP asks about preference, I presume he is talking dynasty, long-term. Which I would give to Moore (I am a long time believer in talent > situation in dynasty). This season and perhaps next, they're production could be similar, though - due to situation.
I think the Raiders will be playing catch up more in the 4th quarter this year because they have a bottom half defense, so that favors Moore. Although the Raiders have more talent at WR and that means the ball will be spread around more, that also means fewer double teams. All that aside, I'd be targeting both/either players in redraft.
I have the exact opposite mindset-I own Smith and wouldn't trade him for Moore
treat88
Footballguy
I agree with this.I see a lot of mouths to feed in that OAK passing game including DHB, Ford, and McFadden. Moore may very well emerge as the top target, but I still think he is limited going forward due to competition for targets.I think Smith has a clear opportunity to become a #1, in the mold of Mike Wallace, with only an aging Boldin to contend with. Rice will always get his share of the attempts, but I don't see him competing for intermediate range targets the same way McFadden does.Gimme Smith by a significant margin.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
If Moore emerges as a true weapon like Chad Johnson and Greg Jennings did in their sophomore campaigns, those other receivers won't really matter much.'treat88 said:
treat88
Footballguy
Definitely could go that way.For me, I think Ford and DHB are far more talented than anything Balt has behind an aging Boldin. In fact, I think both DHB and Ford are extremely talented and equally likely to take a step forward as Moore is.For the time being, Smith simply doesn't have the same level of young competition.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree with you, although I am always leery of players who emerge by default.
treat88
Footballguy
Yeah and I certainly agree that Moore could end up being very valuable.I do think in Smith's case, it's a little more than by default. I think he's an exceptionally talented player that also has a situation that may really lean on him.There's good reason to like both players without a doubt.
