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Tough Time Passing on NYJ in 2010 (1 Viewer)

kremenull

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Teams will have a difficult time vs this Jets defense, especially in the passing game with the myriad of blitz packages that Rex Ryan will employ. And now, the supertalented Cromartie looks like he is on his way back to top form. People tend to forget or overlook that he was looked at as one of the Top 3-4 corners in the game after his first couple of seasons.

Brady, Moss, and Brandon Marshall owners better be wary of critical Weeks 13 and 14, NE vs NYJ and MIA vs NYJ, respectively.

Antonio Cromartie-DB- Jets Aug. 6 - 9:14 am et

Antonio Cromartie has "easily been the most impressive defensive player" in Jets camp, according to beat writer Manish Mehta.

With Darrelle Revis holding out, Cromartie is working at left corner. With his hip injury behind him, the highly talented Cromartie is going to form a fearsome trio with Revis and first-round CB Kyle Wilson.

Source: New York Daily News

 
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Teams will have a difficult time vs this Jets defense, especially in the passing game with the myriad of blitz packages that Rex Ryan will employ. And now, the supertalented Cromartie looks like he is on his way back to top form. People tend to forget or overlook that he was looked at as one of the Top 3-4 corners in the game after his first couple of seasons. Brady, Moss, and Brandon Marshall owners better be wary of critical Weeks 13 and 14, NE vs NYJ and MIA vs NYJ, respectively. Antonio Cromartie-DB- Jets Aug. 6 - 9:14 am et Antonio Cromartie has "easily been the most impressive defensive player" in Jets camp, according to beat writer Manish Mehta.With Darrelle Revis holding out, Cromartie is working at left corner. With his hip injury behind him, the highly talented Cromartie is going to form a fearsome trio with Revis and first-round CB Kyle Wilson.Source: New York Daily News
It will of course depend on Revis and the Jets reaching an agreement but it does seem like the pass defense may be even better this season.Jenkins is healthy and he gets great pentration up the middle of the line and while Jason Taylor has seen his better days he can still get to the QB.
 
I agree. I think people forget what a talent Cromartie is and, from an IDP perspective, defenses are going to test him...which means plenty of tackles, passes defensed and -- hopefully for Jets fans -- INTs.

 
While I like the Jets defense, saying that people should be worried about week 13 and 14 matchups during the first week of August seems a bit premature to me. A lot can happen in 3-4 months.

 
While I like the Jets defense, saying that people should be worried about week 13 and 14 matchups during the first week of August seems a bit premature to me. A lot can happen in 3-4 months.
Especially when at that point the Jets will be stringing together the losses that ultimately leave them out of the playoffs. :football:
 
While I like the Jets defense, saying that people should be worried about week 13 and 14 matchups during the first week of August seems a bit premature to me. A lot can happen in 3-4 months.
Especially when at that point the Jets will be stringing together the losses that ultimately leave them out of the playoffs. :lol:
You rabble rouser, you!If Revis gets into camp and they all stay healthy, this defense will do great things. Just need to get Revis in there, regardless of how good Cromartie looks.
 
practice like tarzan, play like jane
You have to admit this Agressive Man to Man system is a much better fit for his talents..Hey We had a lot of players that I admit were good that just didn't fit - Vilma wasn't a 3-4 LB and he's playing well now... Kerry Rhodes never bought into the Jets system and will probably be a good player in this league for a long while....There's no doubting that Cromartie has top 5 CB ability though and he's in a much better place and is just an all around happier person now - It happens both ways. Rex also has a system that the players Love.Personally I love it when my team can find a player that fits better here and they get him at a bargain rate (for now)....If/when Revis signs a long term deal though, I'm pretty sure Cromartie will be hitting the streets next off season and some team will have to pay a lot - It might be Miami????To me, Cromartie is a hold the fort player till the rookie gets up to speed for next year....We'll see.
 
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practice like tarzan, play like jane
Yeah, those 10 INTs in '08 sure didn't help out the Bolts, eyyyy.......Sounds a bit like sour grapes here.....Cromartie is elite, and in teaming with Revis, the Pats and Fins better worry about this NOW! And fantasy players alike. It's never too early to plan ahead to win a fantasy league championship. These are some of the pitfalls, along with weather considerations, pass-run (ratio) trends over the course of the season, that many owners don't take into account and end up losing out in the end.
 
practice like tarzan, play like jane
Yeah, those 10 INTs in '08 sure didn't help out the Bolts, eyyyy.......Sounds a bit like sour grapes here.....Cromartie is elite, and in teaming with Revis, the Pats and Fins better worry about this NOW! And fantasy players alike. It's never too early to plan ahead to win a fantasy league championship. These are some of the pitfalls, along with weather considerations, pass-run (ratio) trends over the course of the season, that many owners don't take into account and end up losing out in the end.
Hey, If Cro were on the Dophins right now I'd have to say I wouldn't be happy about it....I can't confidently say the same thing about LT right now. :kicksrock:
 
practice like tarzan, play like jane
Yeah, those 10 INTs in '08 sure didn't help out the Bolts, eyyyy.......Sounds a bit like sour grapes here.....Cromartie is elite, and in teaming with Revis, the Pats and Fins better worry about this NOW! And fantasy players alike. It's never too early to plan ahead to win a fantasy league championship. These are some of the pitfalls, along with weather considerations, pass-run (ratio) trends over the course of the season, that many owners don't take into account and end up losing out in the end.
He's a one dimensional CB, Now he is very good at that one dimension. but he has alot of holes in his game.
 
practice like tarzan, play like jane
Yeah, those 10 INTs in '08 sure didn't help out the Bolts, eyyyy.......Sounds a bit like sour grapes here.....Cromartie is elite, and in teaming with Revis, the Pats and Fins better worry about this NOW! And fantasy players alike. It's never too early to plan ahead to win a fantasy league championship. These are some of the pitfalls, along with weather considerations, pass-run (ratio) trends over the course of the season, that many owners don't take into account and end up losing out in the end.
He's a one dimensional CB, Now he is very good at that one dimension. but he has alot of holes in his game.
As one poster stated earlier, this system and surrounding cast will be perfect for Cromartie. The blitzing will force earlier throws by the QB, and Cromartie has a knack for breaking on balls early in his coverage. One of his bigger weaknesses is having some breakdowns the longer he has to cover. But with the Jets "attack the Quarterback" style, which they are relentless at, the shorter coverage time suits Cromartie to a tee.....I see something special brewing here with this defense. And Revis will be on board soon, no need to worry Jets fans. The Fins will not be able to throw on this team, even with Marshall. Henne will struggle with the different blitz pkgs to go along with the tight coverage on the back end. Brady has a better shot for success, but I wouldn't rule out the Jets locking them up pretty well also. With Cromartie in tow, they have the luxury of putting Revis on Welker in more situations, key situations, as Cromartie certainly has the speed and athleticism to stick with Moss. This defense will be deadly!.... just don't shoot the messenger.
 
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He looks great, in practice, against an offense led by Mark Sanchez. The Jets literally had one of the worst passing offenses in the league last year. Wake me up when he's actually defending against a team with a QB who can pass.

 
He looks great, in practice, against an offense led by Mark Sanchez. The Jets literally had one of the worst passing offenses in the league last year. Wake me up when he's actually defending against a team with a QB who can pass.
While I won't dispute that they were a very weak passing offense last year, is there no possibility that Sanchez and the Jets passing game are much better in 2010 then they were in 2009?
 
He looks great, in practice, against an offense led by Mark Sanchez. The Jets literally had one of the worst passing offenses in the league last year. Wake me up when he's actually defending against a team with a QB who can pass.
While I won't dispute that they were a very weak passing offense last year, is there no possibility that Sanchez and the Jets passing game are much better in 2010 then they were in 2009?
It would be very difficult for them to be worse in 2010 then they were in 2009. Much better though, probably not. Maybe slightly better. Even if they throw for 1000 more yards they would only be the 19th ranked passing offense in the league. That just shows you how really bad they were as a passing offense. So to answer your question, even if they are much better then last year, they still stink as a passing offense. That's why I don't put much stock in what Cromartie is doing against them.
 
He looks great, in practice, against an offense led by Mark Sanchez. The Jets literally had one of the worst passing offenses in the league last year. Wake me up when he's actually defending against a team with a QB who can pass.
While I won't dispute that they were a very weak passing offense last year, is there no possibility that Sanchez and the Jets passing game are much better in 2010 then they were in 2009?
It would be very difficult for them to be worse in 2010 then they were in 2009. Much better though, probably not. Maybe slightly better. Even if they throw for 1000 more yards they would only be the 19th ranked passing offense in the league. That just shows you how really bad they were as a passing offense. So to answer your question, even if they are much better then last year, they still stink as a passing offense. That's why I don't put much stock in what Cromartie is doing against them.
Regardless, Cromartie is getting praise for his raw athleticism, his TACKLING, Work Ethic, his grasp of the system and his ability to shadow Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Cotchery wether they get the ball thrown their way or not. Some decent WR's.IMO, It's silly to think Mark Sanchez is the key figure for a staff analyzing how a CB is playing.It's only been a few days of camp and I generally don't get too excited about things in practice but, I'm certainly looking at Cromartie in a IDP league and I do think Cromartie could be improved in this system as a #2 CB and what an upgrade to the Jets defense Cromartie is over the CB's they had last year..... Add the upgrade at CB 3 as well in Kyle Wilson and If/When Revis signs, that's a pretty good group of CB's no? Oh, yeah, WAIT, they practice against Sanchez so, no? :yes:
 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)

Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds Loss

Gm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD Win

Not exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.

Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :ninja:

Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.

 
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He looks great, in practice, against an offense led by Mark Sanchez. The Jets literally had one of the worst passing offenses in the league last year. Wake me up when he's actually defending against a team with a QB who can pass.
While I won't dispute that they were a very weak passing offense last year, is there no possibility that Sanchez and the Jets passing game are much better in 2010 then they were in 2009?
It would be very difficult for them to be worse in 2010 then they were in 2009. Much better though, probably not. Maybe slightly better. Even if they throw for 1000 more yards they would only be the 19th ranked passing offense in the league. That just shows you how really bad they were as a passing offense. So to answer your question, even if they are much better then last year, they still stink as a passing offense. That's why I don't put much stock in what Cromartie is doing against them.
Regardless, Cromartie is getting praise for his raw athleticism, his TACKLING, Work Ethic, his grasp of the system and his ability to shadow Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Cotchery wether they get the ball thrown their way or not. Some decent WR's.IMO, It's silly to think Mark Sanchez is the key figure for a staff analyzing how a CB is playing.It's only been a few days of camp and I generally don't get too excited about things in practice but, I'm certainly looking at Cromartie in a IDP league and I do think Cromartie could be improved in this system as a #2 CB and what an upgrade to the Jets defense Cromartie is over the CB's they had last year..... Add the upgrade at CB 3 as well in Kyle Wilson and If/When Revis signs, that's a pretty good group of CB's no? Oh, yeah, WAIT, they practice against Sanchez so, no? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: You don't think the quarterback is the key figure of an offense? If you're going to analyze a defensive player, you probably have to look at the competition he's going against, so you'd have to look at the key figure of the offense, no? And to be clear, I'm not singleing out Mark Sanchez individually, but the passing offense as a whole which is led by Mark Sanchez. Holmes, Edwards and Cotchery are just what you said, decent, not great. In fact, the Jets offense as a whole is a huge question mark IMO. Looking good against that is nothing that I'm going to put much stock in. The Jets are the most over-hyped team this offseason. I think they are going to be the biggest disappointment of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them finish 8-8 or 7-9.
 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds LossGm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD WinNot exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :rolleyes: Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
Agree. What happened last year will happen again this year. :rolleyes:
 
check this out:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/ju...01169/?chargers

It's as if Antonio Cromartie is trying to erase 2008 with sheer determination and sweat. That he hopes to wipe clean the disappointing games, the hip fracture and the off-the-field complications that come with having seven children.

AGOURA HILLS – In the Santa Monica Mountains just north of Malibu, on a rolling patch of ground, with a tractor tire attached to a strap around his waist, Antonio Cromartie is backpedaling over a 70-yard stretch of dirt.

He's 20 minutes into the first of three workouts he'll complete this day. It hurts already.

“For the kids, baby,” he yells, a reminder to himself.

There will be more times that Cromartie repeats that phrase in various states of agony in another long, exhausting and exhilarating day in the rebuilding of a Pro Bowl cornerback.

....

“Last year my head wasn't in there,” Cromartie said. “I was dealing with my kids and their moms. It had my mind somewhere else.”

There are a lot of directions to be pulled when you have seven kids living in five states.

All of Cromartie's children are under 5. He embraces their existence. His locker is adorned with their pictures. He talks with them often.

“The Lord has them here for a reason,” he said. “To not talk about my kids, it would be like I'm trying to hide something.”

......

About 15 minutes into his MMA workout, Cromartie shows real distress for the first time all day.

Brandon Bradley, Cromartie's workout partner, loses his breakfast after the day's first workout. Cromartie never even doubles over for more than a few seconds.

When Bradley and Atlanta Falcons defensive end Jamaal Anderson sit down, huffing and puffing during a rest period at the gym, Cromartie is actually dancing.

But in the MMA gym, sweat is puddling below Cromartie's face as the “warm-up” has morphed from a set of modified up-downs that includes a jump, into a series of bear crawls.

Instructor Hector Peña, a 12-time kickboxing world champion, tells him he's done with a set of crawls, but Cromartie asks for another one.

.......

Thing is, Antonio Cromartie wakes up a better athlete than 99.9 percent of the rest of us. Even in the NFL, he stands out as gifted. He is one of those rare athletes blessed with the grace and strength to make extremely difficult things look easy.

He's 6 feet 2 and 214 pounds. His six-pack is really an eight-pack. The muscles on his arms have their own muscles.

As impressive as the results of the past few months are – he's gained 12 pounds while decreasing body fat, down to 4 percent from almost 5 – it's like Wichard said: “This is not a total makeover.”

No one should question Cromartie's work ethic. This is a guy who had reconstructive knee surgery (plus surgery to repair his hamstring) in July 2005 and eight months later ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at his pro day for NFL scouts.

But Cromartie acknowledges he has never worked like this. Not even close.

oops --- that's from LAST july.......

 
check this out:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/ju...01169/?chargers

It's as if Antonio Cromartie is trying to erase 2008 with sheer determination and sweat. That he hopes to wipe clean the disappointing games, the hip fracture and the off-the-field complications that come with having seven children.

AGOURA HILLS – In the Santa Monica Mountains just north of Malibu, on a rolling patch of ground, with a tractor tire attached to a strap around his waist, Antonio Cromartie is backpedaling over a 70-yard stretch of dirt.

He's 20 minutes into the first of three workouts he'll complete this day. It hurts already.

“For the kids, baby,” he yells, a reminder to himself.

There will be more times that Cromartie repeats that phrase in various states of agony in another long, exhausting and exhilarating day in the rebuilding of a Pro Bowl cornerback.

....

“Last year my head wasn't in there,” Cromartie said. “I was dealing with my kids and their moms. It had my mind somewhere else.”

There are a lot of directions to be pulled when you have seven kids living in five states.

All of Cromartie's children are under 5. He embraces their existence. His locker is adorned with their pictures. He talks with them often.

“The Lord has them here for a reason,” he said. “To not talk about my kids, it would be like I'm trying to hide something.”

......

About 15 minutes into his MMA workout, Cromartie shows real distress for the first time all day.

Brandon Bradley, Cromartie's workout partner, loses his breakfast after the day's first workout. Cromartie never even doubles over for more than a few seconds.

When Bradley and Atlanta Falcons defensive end Jamaal Anderson sit down, huffing and puffing during a rest period at the gym, Cromartie is actually dancing.

But in the MMA gym, sweat is puddling below Cromartie's face as the “warm-up” has morphed from a set of modified up-downs that includes a jump, into a series of bear crawls.

Instructor Hector Peña, a 12-time kickboxing world champion, tells him he's done with a set of crawls, but Cromartie asks for another one.

.......

Thing is, Antonio Cromartie wakes up a better athlete than 99.9 percent of the rest of us. Even in the NFL, he stands out as gifted. He is one of those rare athletes blessed with the grace and strength to make extremely difficult things look easy.

He's 6 feet 2 and 214 pounds. His six-pack is really an eight-pack. The muscles on his arms have their own muscles.

As impressive as the results of the past few months are – he's gained 12 pounds while decreasing body fat, down to 4 percent from almost 5 – it's like Wichard said: “This is not a total makeover.”

No one should question Cromartie's work ethic. This is a guy who had reconstructive knee surgery (plus surgery to repair his hamstring) in July 2005 and eight months later ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at his pro day for NFL scouts.

But Cromartie acknowledges he has never worked like this. Not even close.



oops --- that's from LAST july.......
Clever, but I'm not sure how it's germane to the discussion. All this article points out is that Cromartie is exceptionally fit and athletic, and takes his offseason seriously. That's worthy of praise, but isn't directly correlated to whether a guy plays well on the field. But what I'm seeing so far this offseason is his coach GUSHING about him, and everyone who attends Jets camp losing their minds at how good this guy looks. Will he look as good when the games matter? We'll see, but the point is he's standing out in practice on a team full of defensive standouts.
 
people gush about all kinds of players every off-season --- that's the point.

he was exceptionally fit and athletic, took his offseason seriously, and got just as much gushing last year --- how did that work out for him?

I'm sure people were gushing about vernon gholston coming out of college.

when belichick played oakland most recently I remember him gushing about them in his weekly radio spot.

gushing /= production, especially when the gushing comes from an open sewer main.

or maybe I could've just referred you to this link.......

 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds LossGm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD WinNot exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :hot: Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
This is silliness. You know Moss was playing injured in both those games and Brady was far from his normal self last year as he recovered from the knee injury. Regardless things change from year to year. Will the Jets have a good pass D? Of course. They have one of the best D's in the NFL. Is Cromartie an upgrade for them? Probably so. I still think his playing style is not going to coincide with the Jets nearly as well as most do though. This guy takes a lot of chances and plays undisciplined far too often IMO. In the Jets scheme that can lead to disaster. I'm sure he will make some big plays. I'm also sure he will give quite a few up as well. Which prove more critical will make all the difference.
 
The Jets pass D was absurdly good last season. For that matter, it will be difficult to repeat that level of domination. They were perhaps the best pass defense (them or the '08 Steelers) the league has seen since the '02 Bucs. Whenever a D plays that well, they tend to be very lucky and have lots of things go their way, that don't tend to go their way the next year.

That said, the Jets are adding half a season's worth of games from Kris Jenkins, Cromartie, Taylor and Wilson. Poole swapping out for Rhodes could be a plus, too. And the offense should be a lot better, at least in the passing game. So there's potential for a huge season. As long as Revis is healthy and ready to go, it's hard to see how any team looks as good defensively as the Jets.

 
that's actually not so much of a positive as jets fans want to make it.

you'd think improvement would somehow always be definitively good, and translate into wins, but things don't always work out like that in the nfl because there are so many variables to account for.

I don't want to derail a specific cromartie thread into another general omfgJ-E-S-Tftw!!1 thread, but I think the whole implication of omfgcromartieftw!!1 is that the jets will be that much better, rather than his specific value as a fantasy player --- since this isn't the idp forum.

they were already statistically the best defense in the league last year, and it got them a .500 team.

they allowed a league low 236 points, with only 3 other teams even coming within 48 points (3 pts x 16 games) of that.

specifically, the pass defense was exceptional, giving up about 2500 yards, with the next closest 3 teams at around 3000 yards.

they allowed a league best 8 passing td's, with the next closest 3 teams allowing 14 -- nearly double their total.

considering you've historically been one of these 'regression to the mean' guys, specifically HOW MUCH BETTER do you realistically expect the jets' pass d to be with cromartie over their .500 season last year?

and to close it out, I will post the 2010 schedule with 2009 schedule in parentheses.

common games left out, and 2009 offensive rankings (points scored) included.

v BAL - 9 (v 0-6 first half TEN averaging 14 pts in that stretch)

v MIN - 2 (@NO - 1)

@DEN - 20 (@OAK - 31)

v GB -- 3 (v JAX - 24)

@DET - 27 (v CAR - 21)

@CLE - 29 (@TB - 30)

@PIT - 12 (v ATL - 13)

@CHI - 19 (@IND - exhibition game)

all other things being equal, it doesn't get any easier, and you could make a good case that 4 games get harder --- not to mention improvement in their own division.

good luck......

 
... and it got them a .500 team...
I omitted the rest since there is no use reading it. Your bias is clear. A .500 team? I know it hurts you that they made the AFC Championship game last year, but do yourself a favor and get over it already.
:lmao: Also, the Jets pass D doesn't have to be any better this year for them to see more wins. This team could "regress" to the mean a bit defensively, and become more efficient on offense and it would equate to more wins. I see 11 wins for this team, and they still might not win the division.
 
that's actually not so much of a positive as jets fans want to make it.

you'd think improvement would somehow always be definitively good, and translate into wins, but things don't always work out like that in the nfl because there are so many variables to account for.

I don't want to derail a specific cromartie thread into another general omfgJ-E-S-Tftw!!1 thread, but I think the whole implication of omfgcromartieftw!!1 is that the jets will be that much better, rather than his specific value as a fantasy player --- since this isn't the idp forum.

they were already statistically the best defense in the league last year, and it got them a .500 team.

they allowed a league low 236 points, with only 3 other teams even coming within 48 points (3 pts x 16 games) of that.

specifically, the pass defense was exceptional, giving up about 2500 yards, with the next closest 3 teams at around 3000 yards.

they allowed a league best 8 passing td's, with the next closest 3 teams allowing 14 -- nearly double their total.

considering you've historically been one of these 'regression to the mean' guys, specifically HOW MUCH BETTER do you realistically expect the jets' pass d to be with cromartie over their .500 season last year?

and to close it out, I will post the 2010 schedule with 2009 schedule in parentheses.

common games left out, and 2009 offensive rankings (points scored) included.

v BAL - 9 (v 0-6 first half TEN averaging 14 pts in that stretch)

v MIN - 2 (@NO - 1)

@DEN - 20 (@OAK - 31)

v GB -- 3 (v JAX - 24)

@DET - 27 (v CAR - 21)

@CLE - 29 (@TB - 30)

@PIT - 12 (v ATL - 13)

@CHI - 19 (@IND - exhibition game)

all other things being equal, it doesn't get any easier, and you could make a good case that 4 games get harder --- not to mention improvement in their own division.

good luck......
Good stuff Larry.

As they say though, Stats don't tell the whole story... Hey, maybe teams knew Sanchez wasn't going to "light it up" and didn't dare the Jets defense as often as they could.... Whatever. Just numbers. I've pointed to the schedule and said the Jets could start 0-3 this year. (Ravens, Pats, Fins)...

Numbers aside, wether it's the J E T S or not for me I'm looking at:

- a FIRST YEAR Defense with players learning on the fly and players not always on the same page now in year 2

- a rookie HC who should correct mistakes and fine tune his system instead of installing a new one and concentrate more on Coaching

And as stated - Jenkins, Cromartie, Wilson, Pool and JT added to the talent pool that Rex gets to rotate....

BOTTOM LINE.... Like Bellichik, I think Rex Ryan and his Defensive Staff are Damn good Defensive minds...

I think most Ravens fans would agree.

I don't know how the stats, Wins and fantasy numbers are going to go but, I'm pretty interested to see what the 'Mad Scientist' will dial up with his defense in year 2 with more of "His" players in the fold.

Jet fan or not, "Translates to Wins" or Not, most of us are here to identify Potential.

I'm not guaranteeing or omgomgogm11!!! Anything.

 
if we look at what a team has actually accomplished, they are their record.

if we want to use past performance to prognosticate future performance, teams can certainly be better or worse than their record.

I'd say the '07 dolphins were better than their single win, and while they did overhaul the team, the following year they improved that record dramatically.

to borrow a phrase from jason, jets fans were 'losing their minds' after mangini's rookie 10 win season, although they probably weren't that good, and followed it up with a 4 win season.

likewise, they were 'losing their minds' at the favre pick up in '08.

you can spin it all you want, but you guys need to face facts --- they were a legit .500 team last year that got past SD on a couple missed fg's, got stomped when they met a legit top tier team, and are facing a much tougher schedule.

jets fans being out of their minds is not compelling evidence for anything.

 
if we look at what a team has actually accomplished, they are their record.if we want to use past performance to prognosticate future performance, teams can certainly be better or worse than their record.I'd say the '07 dolphins were better than their single win, and while they did overhaul the team, the following year they improved that record dramatically.to borrow a phrase from jason, jets fans were 'losing their minds' after mangini's rookie 10 win season, although they probably weren't that good, and followed it up with a 4 win season.likewise, they were 'losing their minds' at the favre pick up in '08.you can spin it all you want, but you guys need to face facts --- they were a legit .500 team last year that got past SD on a couple missed fg's, got stomped when they met a legit top tier team, and are facing a much tougher schedule.jets fans being out of their minds is not compelling evidence for anything.
Yeah.All this means nothing to me.I'm just READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL.They are what their record said...... But, if you watch the games, they were actually PLAYING GOOD FOOTBALL to end the year....When Greene was healthy they moved the ball vs SD, CIN and Indy and when the CB's were healthy they kept the Indy offense relatively in check...The Colts are a proven consistent great team... They also waxed Ciny in Cincy and beat the Chargers on the roadTo me, Sanchez went to Grad school and Went through QB experiences that might take a QB years to go through. That can't be too bad. Spin or not.
 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)

Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds Loss

Gm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD Win

Not exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.

Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :goodposting:

Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
This is silliness. You know Moss was playing injured in both those games and Brady was far from his normal self last year as he recovered from the knee injury. Regardless things change from year to year. Will the Jets have a good pass D? Of course. They have one of the best D's in the NFL. Is Cromartie an upgrade for them? Probably so. I still think his playing style is not going to coincide with the Jets nearly as well as most do though. This guy takes a lot of chances and plays undisciplined far too often IMO. In the Jets scheme that can lead to disaster. I'm sure he will make some big plays. I'm also sure he will give quite a few up as well. Which prove more critical will make all the difference.
Im not sure why so many people keep saying Brady was far from his normal self last season. Im guessing they're still caught up on the 2007 season but that won't happen again. Check out his career numbers and you will quickly relieze that Brady had his second best season of his career last year.
 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)

Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds Loss

Gm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD Win

Not exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.

Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :unsure:

Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
This is silliness. You know Moss was playing injured in both those games and Brady was far from his normal self last year as he recovered from the knee injury. Regardless things change from year to year. Will the Jets have a good pass D? Of course. They have one of the best D's in the NFL. Is Cromartie an upgrade for them? Probably so. I still think his playing style is not going to coincide with the Jets nearly as well as most do though. This guy takes a lot of chances and plays undisciplined far too often IMO. In the Jets scheme that can lead to disaster. I'm sure he will make some big plays. I'm also sure he will give quite a few up as well. Which prove more critical will make all the difference.
Im not sure why so many people keep saying Brady was far from his normal self last season. Im guessing they're still caught up on the 2007 season but that won't happen again. Check out his career numbers and you will quickly relieze that Brady had his second best season of his career last year.
So many people say that because they watched the games and it was obvious he wasn't himself. He was tentative in the pocket where he is normally one of the best QBs in the NFL at managing and moving in the pocket with confidence and ease. He was not planting on his lead leg and stepping into passes like his normal self, thus throwing less accurately. He was poor at delivering his deep ball where he is normally very good at it. Overall his confidence just wasn't what it was at any other time he's played. He didn't spot open receivers as easily or as fast. He didn't push the ball down field nearly as often and with nearly as much conviction as before and it led to several missed opportunities. You can just look at the stats in a vacuum if you want but having watched the games it was pretty clear he wasn't firing on all cylinders.
 
if we look at what a team has actually accomplished, they are their record.if we want to use past performance to prognosticate future performance, teams can certainly be better or worse than their record.I'd say the '07 dolphins were better than their single win, and while they did overhaul the team, the following year they improved that record dramatically.to borrow a phrase from jason, jets fans were 'losing their minds' after mangini's rookie 10 win season, although they probably weren't that good, and followed it up with a 4 win season.likewise, they were 'losing their minds' at the favre pick up in '08.you can spin it all you want, but you guys need to face facts --- they were a legit .500 team last year that got past SD on a couple missed fg's, got stomped when they met a legit top tier team, and are facing a much tougher schedule.jets fans being out of their minds is not compelling evidence for anything.
Bengals were CRUSHED week 17 (laid down most will say) and then beaten in all facets of the game in the playoffs when it really matter...on the road. Winning a playoff game on the road is a tough thing to do, the Jets did it twice and beat a damn good Bolts team, missed FGs or not. The Chargers had weeks to prepare for the Jets and they couldn't beat them. Don't pretend the Jets' success was not well earned toward the end of last year. They played alright against the Colts, but were not in the same class, no argument there. Everyone knows it takes a bit of luck/opportunity in the NFL. You're selling them short.
 
jets fans should be careful playing that card where they split off a few games at the end of the year to show how the jets were really better than their record.

I could just as easily point to the early season futility of the collins led titans team you beat, going 0-6 while scoring 14 ppg, and discredit you on that win. (for reference - browns averaged 15.3 last year)

and what about late season cincy?

I don't care about week 17 one way or another, even though it was clearly one of the 2 gimme wins they got en route to a padded 9-7 record --- jets beat cincy in the playoffs when it counts, 'cuz the jets were trending upwards, right?

they beat a cincy team led by carson palmer --- a crippled qb who averaged about 150 ypg over the last 8, with a qb rating in the 70's, closer to mark sanchez numbers than the carson palmer most are familiar with.

they beat a cincy team who went 3-5 over those last 8, losing to oakland, and scoring those 3 wins against KC, DET, and CLE, (11 combined wins) while ripping off a whopping 15 ppg.

they then beat SD by 3 on a couple missed fg's --- that's reality.

now, I'm not saying any of this to take away from what they accomplished --- they were in the AFC title game.

I'm not in here trying to get jets fans all defensive and wound up ---- that's their natural state of being.

what this thread is about is the addition of cromartie and his impact on the 2010 jets defense.

in 2008, champion pittsburgh allowed 223 points and 12 passing td's in the regular season.

2006, rex's best with the ravens, saw that team let up a meager 201 points with 16 passing td's.

in 2002, the superbowl champion bucs allowed 196 points and 10 regular season passing td's en route to their title.

prior to that, a champion ravens team gave up 165 points and 11 passing td's -- a defense that's recognized as pretty good.

and if we want to go way back to the superbowl champion bears, they gave up a stingy 198 points along with 16 passing td's.

with those numbers as comparison, and given that the schedule is most likely being taken up a notch, exactly what numerical improvements do jets fans feel cromartie brings to a defense that allowed 236 points and 8 passing td's?

personally, I don't think they'll better those numbers, and I don't think they'll be able to take advantage of the schedule as they could last year.

they'll probably need to win the division to even make the playoffs -- a division they went 2-4 in last year.

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I really don't get why so many people are just dieing to rip on the Jets this pre-season. Some of the stuff i read is just nuts.

That being said, this Cromartie thing is a fluff piece. I do think he'll play well (probably not pro-bowl level, but i think he'll certainly be an above average CB)

I actually typed out a paragraph arguing against those that claim the Jets were mediocre last season, but it isn't worth it anymore. Last season is over.

Cant wait for the season to start.

 
jurb26 said:
thekidd2009 said:
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)

Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds Loss

Gm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD Win

Not exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.

Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :thumbup:

Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
This is silliness. You know Moss was playing injured in both those games and Brady was far from his normal self last year as he recovered from the knee injury. Regardless things change from year to year. Will the Jets have a good pass D? Of course. They have one of the best D's in the NFL. Is Cromartie an upgrade for them? Probably so. I still think his playing style is not going to coincide with the Jets nearly as well as most do though. This guy takes a lot of chances and plays undisciplined far too often IMO. In the Jets scheme that can lead to disaster. I'm sure he will make some big plays. I'm also sure he will give quite a few up as well. Which prove more critical will make all the difference.
Im not sure why so many people keep saying Brady was far from his normal self last season. Im guessing they're still caught up on the 2007 season but that won't happen again. Check out his career numbers and you will quickly relieze that Brady had his second best season of his career last year.
So many people say that because they watched the games and it was obvious he wasn't himself. He was tentative in the pocket where he is normally one of the best QBs in the NFL at managing and moving in the pocket with confidence and ease. He was not planting on his lead leg and stepping into passes like his normal self, thus throwing less accurately. He was poor at delivering his deep ball where he is normally very good at it. Overall his confidence just wasn't what it was at any other time he's played. He didn't spot open receivers as easily or as fast. He didn't push the ball down field nearly as often and with nearly as much conviction as before and it led to several missed opportunities. You can just look at the stats in a vacuum if you want but having watched the games it was pretty clear he wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Brady looked like the same Brady to me and the stats say the same. He had his 2nd highest completion% of his career as well. I did see him miss Moss early on in the year a few times deep but those are tough throws and are not givens.
 
There's a bit of truth from both sides here; the Jets shouldn't have even made the play-offs last year. I'm not a big fan of teams giving away games at the end of the season. Every win is significant in a 16 game season. Even middle of the pack, however, is commendable with a rookie QB. And the Jets are trending up.

I think the AFC East is a battle this year; I haven't felt it was this wide open in a long time. The Jets are built around defense and ball control. A classic mix that seems a touch obsolete in an era of passing. Maybe that difference will work to their advantage. The Patriots, although rebuilding, are still dangerous. The Dolphins, under Henne, should be in the mix. I like some of the things they did last season and hope they can build upon it. I'm curious about the addition of Spiller in Buffalo. With improved QB play, they are capable of taking down teams that look past them.

Someone projected the Jets with 11 wins. Vegas has picked and over/under of 9.5 so 11 seems a little optimistic. It's a tougher schedule; outside the division they play the Texans, Broncos, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Vikings, Packers, Bears, and Lions. There are six quality opponents plus they play at Denver and then at Chicago in late December.

Even a great team on paper can be decimated by injury in an NFL season. Even one injury (Revis) could quickly change the face of that "D". The Jets will be tested early. First five games: Ravens, Patriots, Dolphins, Bills (in Buffalo) and Vikings. We'll know more about the quality and character of this team by then.

For fantasy purposes, yes - of course it should be tough to pass on the Jets. I am not a huge Cromartie fan but paired with Revis it seems like a nice addition. Then consider the quality of the o-line and the running game for ball control. A nice combination... but the Jets "D" seems to be everyone's darling this year and will go off the board early in many drafts. The question is will they be worth reaching for? Or, does it make sense to grab two quality defenses and play them based on match-up.

 
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Brady looked like the same Brady to me and the stats say the same. He had his 2nd highest completion% of his career as well. I did see him miss Moss early on in the year a few times deep but those are tough throws and are not givens.
As a Moss owner, I can assure you Brady did not look the same. He missed Randy a lot (and sometimes by a lot)! He seemed tentative at times and less willing/likely to run with the ball. Doesn't surprise me he had good stats - he is a good QB throwing the ball to Moss and Welker.
 
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08...age-with-revis/

Cromartie Dazzles, Giving Jets Leverage With Revis

By KRISTIAN R. DYER

Jets cornerback Darrelle Reviis has emerged as one of the best defensive football players in the game. Richard Perry/The New York Times No end in sight to the holdout by Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis.

Kristian R. Dyer covers the N.F.L. for FoxSports.com and is the publisher of the subscription site GreenAndWhiteReport.com, which covers the Jets. He can be reached at KristianRDyer@yahoo.com and followed at twitter.com/kdyer1012.

New York Jets

CORTLAND, N.Y. – As the Jets enter Week 2 of training camp without All-Pro cornerback Darrelle Revis, there is a very real chance that they will be running onto the field without #24 at the season opener against Baltimore.

And they might just be O.K. with that.

Revis, who is holding out while locked in a contract dispute, may be the best defensive back of his generation, and the most feared defender in the league today. But after one week of training camp, the former San Diego cornerback Antonio Cromartie has been a revelation. He has been the standout of camp.

Cromartie has been consistent since June’s minicamp, thriving in the man-to-man coverage that the Jets’ defense requires of him. He’s physical and he’s effortless in making plays and reads, breaking to the ball very well. There wasn’t a better player on either side of the ball last week in Cortland.

Cromartie was brought in to provide competent coverage opposite “Revis Island,” but in camp he has looked every bit as good as Revis in his pass defense and ability to be physical. Bold statement, but in those areas, Cromartie has just been that good.

Kyle Wilson is showing why the Jets took him in the draft’s first round. He might have the best feet in training camp, and his fluid hips keep him in any play, even if he is beaten. Wilson is clearly the best cornerback on the team not named Cromartie, and he has progressed further than many expected. If he can grasp the playbook and pick up N.F.L. reads, Wilson has the physical tools to be an All-Pro.

Wilson was drafted to provide cornerback depth, especially in the playoffs against teams like Indianapolis that use multiple set looks, including three and four receivers. The Jets seem to have that depth, including Marquise Cole and Drew Coleman, who have earned praise from defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman during camp. Add the versatile Eric Smith, a player who is athletic enough to play cornerback, and Dwight Lowery, who just this year is making the switch from cornerback to safety, and it is clear that the position has depth.

All this depth might be the best leverage the Jets have in contract negotiations with Revis. Surely the team wants him on the roster; Revis is someone that other teams not only throw away from, but also scheme against. Revis can and does change games with his presence, even if the receiver he covers doesn’t have one pass thrown in his direction.

But that may not matter much.

If the Jets can honestly say that they have good enough coverage at the position, coverage that can get them into the playoffs, then they may be able to play hardball with Revis.

Revis, who is due to make about $1 million dollars this season, is being fined at the rate of $16,500 dollars per day of training camp missed.

With several keys to the team due hefty raises after this season, players like David Harris and Nick Mangold, perhaps the Jets are willing to gamble that their depth at cornerback and in the secondary gives them a position of strength when negotiating with Revis.
 
Brady in 2 gms vs Jets (prior Cromartie)

Gm 1 - 47 attempts, 216 yds, 0 Tds Loss

Gm 2 - 41 attempts, 310 yds, 1 TD Win

Not exactly setting the world on fire here, as Sanchez actually won the 2nd gm for the Pats with his 4 Ints, not Brady.

Randy Moss those 2 gms combined gathered 9 rec for 60 yds, 1 TD..... :X

Henne actually fared pretty well overall in the 2 matchups vs Jets last season, over 350 total yards, 2 TDs with 0 Ints.....I don't expect such success this time as the second game the Jets probably figured him out as this was not a very good game for him, only 120 yds passing.
This is silliness. You know Moss was playing injured in both those games and Brady was far from his normal self last year as he recovered from the knee injury. Regardless things change from year to year. Will the Jets have a good pass D? Of course. They have one of the best D's in the NFL. Is Cromartie an upgrade for them? Probably so. I still think his playing style is not going to coincide with the Jets nearly as well as most do though. This guy takes a lot of chances and plays undisciplined far too often IMO. In the Jets scheme that can lead to disaster. I'm sure he will make some big plays. I'm also sure he will give quite a few up as well. Which prove more critical will make all the difference.
Im not sure why so many people keep saying Brady was far from his normal self last season. Im guessing they're still caught up on the 2007 season but that won't happen again. Check out his career numbers and you will quickly relieze that Brady had his second best season of his career last year.
So many people say that because they watched the games and it was obvious he wasn't himself. He was tentative in the pocket where he is normally one of the best QBs in the NFL at managing and moving in the pocket with confidence and ease. He was not planting on his lead leg and stepping into passes like his normal self, thus throwing less accurately. He was poor at delivering his deep ball where he is normally very good at it. Overall his confidence just wasn't what it was at any other time he's played. He didn't spot open receivers as easily or as fast. He didn't push the ball down field nearly as often and with nearly as much conviction as before and it led to several missed opportunities. You can just look at the stats in a vacuum if you want but having watched the games it was pretty clear he wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Agreed, Brady was probably not "himself" last season. And frankly, he may never be quite as good as he was earlier in his career, it's called peaking. Sure, he will not drop off of a cliff, but consider this. The o-line is simply not as good as people perceive and has already taken some offseason hits (Kaczur out for season, Mankins holding out), Moss is also a year older, Welker is coming off a major injury, and new, untested WRs and TEs are now in place and they may take some time to get in sync with Brady.The basic premise of this thread is stating that teams will have a not so favorable matchup vs the Jets, I'm not stating that teams will not be able to do anything vs them. Just beware of the matchup, if I have other options, I'd consider benching Moss, Welker, maybe even Brady in these matchups. Sounds crazy, yeah, but it just may prove to be a prudent move this year. Don't underestimate the importance of that pass rush in making Brady look uncomfortable out there last season, a combination of teams intent on applying heat on Brady plus the declining o-line in protecting him. Ever since the Super Bowl vs the Giants, this o-line has regressed considerably, IMO, and is vastly overrated in most circles.......esp in here with all the Pats homers who aren't willing to look at this objectively. Your o-line is pretty weak to me.

 
The basic premise of this thread is stating that teams will have a not so favorable matchup vs the Jets, I'm not stating that teams will not be able to do anything vs them. Just beware of the matchup,
yeah, jets were best in the league in points allowed, and gave up 8 passing td's.thx for the heads up.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08...age-with-revis/

Cromartie Dazzles, Giving Jets Leverage With Revis

By KRISTIAN R. DYER

Jets cornerback Darrelle Reviis has emerged as one of the best defensive football players in the game. Richard Perry/The New York Times No end in sight to the holdout by Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis.

Kristian R. Dyer covers the N.F.L. for FoxSports.com and is the publisher of the subscription site GreenAndWhiteReport.com, which covers the Jets. He can be reached at KristianRDyer@yahoo.com and followed at twitter.com/kdyer1012.

New York Jets

CORTLAND, N.Y. – As the Jets enter Week 2 of training camp without All-Pro cornerback Darrelle Revis, there is a very real chance that they will be running onto the field without #24 at the season opener against Baltimore.

And they might just be O.K. with that.

All this depth might be the best leverage the Jets have in contract negotiations with Revis. Surely the team wants him on the roster; Revis is someone that other teams not only throw away from, but also scheme against. Revis can and does change games with his presence, even if the receiver he covers doesn’t have one pass thrown in his direction.
I don't think I'll be subscribing to his site.
 
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