Trade error predicament (1 Viewer)

[ffguru56]

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum but I believe I've seen similar posts made here...

I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this situation and how it should be dealt with. Team A made a trade with Team B in May. Team A gave up Antonio Gates and 5th overall to Team B for Tony Gonzalez and 3rd overall. The message that was sent along with the trade read: "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE". The trade was accepted, voted on by the league and passed, and the rosters were automatically changed by RTSports.

Fast forward to today when Team B makes a trade with Team C that involves Team B's 3rd overall pick that was supposedly involved in the trade with Team A in May. Upon investigation the picks involved in the trade between Team A and B were unintentionally for picks in the 2015 draft, which goes against our league's constitution. Unfortunately, RTSports won't allow for us to turn this option off and was admittedly a mistake by Team A, as it was intended to be the same trade offer but involving the upcoming 2014 picks.

Team C says he won't do the trade now if he loses two spots in the first round. This trade helps Team B out MUCH more than the trade it made with Team A so it makes sense for Team B to prefer the trade with Team C to go through instead of the trade with Team A.

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for and accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

 

[Bri]

Backtrack since it didn't fit rules.

Make a rule that if you try to trade a future year's pick ....something happens; so you never deal with this again.

 

[Adam Harstad]

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

Correct. Both A and B agreed to a trade involving 2014 draft picks, though user error accidentally substituted 2015 draft picks instead. Upon discovery, the commissioner should undo the original trade and push it back through with the 2014 draft picks instead.

Obviously B would prefer the trade with C to go through, but the trade with A happened first and takes precedence. Them's the breaks.

 

[Pots]

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

Correct. Both A and B agreed to a trade involving 2014 draft picks, though user error accidentally substituted 2015 draft picks instead. Upon discovery, the commissioner should undo the original trade and push it back through with the 2014 draft picks instead.

Obviously B would prefer the trade with C to go through, but the trade with A happened first and takes precedence. Them's the breaks.

This ^ and it's a pretty easy decision to make given the thorough context you were able to provide.

 

[ghostguy123]

The first deal you mentioned should be the deal that goes through (so correct the mistake and make it the 2014 picks)

Any other trades that occurred after that, well, those two teams can figure out if they still want to make a deal (unless there was several deals then it would just be a mess)

This actually happened in the FFPC a couple years a go. A draft pick 2 years in advance (rules only allow for 1) was traded, and nobody caught it for several weeks (no idea WHY those picks were even there and available to be traded, was just asking for errors to occur, but whatever).

SInce it wasnt caught in any kind of timely manner, the just let it stand even though it was against the rules.

There could be an argument made in your case that the original deal should stand with the 2015 picks since it was so long ago, but the correct thing is to correct it and then move on since no other deals occurred with those picks.

Basically, as a commish, no matter what you do you know half the league will hate it and half will be fine with it

 

[PatsWillWin]

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum but I believe I've seen similar posts made here...

I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this situation and how it should be dealt with. Team A made a trade with Team B in May. Team A gave up Antonio Gates and 5th overall to Team B for Tony Gonzalez and 3rd overall. The message that was sent along with the trade read: "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE". The trade was accepted, voted on by the league and passed, and the rosters were automatically changed by RTSports.

Fast forward to today when Team B makes a trade with Team C that involves Team B's 3rd overall pick that was supposedly involved in the trade with Team A in May. Upon investigation the picks involved in the trade between Team A and B were unintentionally for picks in the 2015 draft, which goes against our league's constitution. Unfortunately, RTSports won't allow for us to turn this option off and was admittedly a mistake by Team A, as it was intended to be the same trade offer but involving the upcoming 2014 picks.

Team C says he won't do the trade now if he loses two spots in the first round. This trade helps Team B out MUCH more than the trade it made with Team A so it makes sense for Team B to prefer the trade with Team C to go through instead of the trade with Team A.

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for and accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

I would quit this league and find one that:

1) Doesn't vote on trades (especially since clearly nobody is paying attention and voting yes on illegal trades).

2) Is hosted on MFL.

3) Has people that know what they're doing and don't trade premium top draft position for ancient, end-of-roster tight ends.

4) Allows you to trade draft picks further ahead into the future.

5) Has more creative team names.

 

[ghostguy123]

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum but I believe I've seen similar posts made here...

I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this situation and how it should be dealt with. Team A made a trade with Team B in May. Team A gave up Antonio Gates and 5th overall to Team B for Tony Gonzalez and 3rd overall. The message that was sent along with the trade read: "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE". The trade was accepted, voted on by the league and passed, and the rosters were automatically changed by RTSports.

Fast forward to today when Team B makes a trade with Team C that involves Team B's 3rd overall pick that was supposedly involved in the trade with Team A in May. Upon investigation the picks involved in the trade between Team A and B were unintentionally for picks in the 2015 draft, which goes against our league's constitution. Unfortunately, RTSports won't allow for us to turn this option off and was admittedly a mistake by Team A, as it was intended to be the same trade offer but involving the upcoming 2014 picks.

Team C says he won't do the trade now if he loses two spots in the first round. This trade helps Team B out MUCH more than the trade it made with Team A so it makes sense for Team B to prefer the trade with Team C to go through instead of the trade with Team A.

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for and accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

I would quit this league and find one that:

1) Doesn't vote on trades (especially since clearly nobody is paying attention and voting yes on illegal trades).

2) Is hosted on MFL.

3) Has people that know what they're doing and don't trade premium top draft position for ancient, end-of-roster tight ends.

4) Allows you to trade draft picks further ahead into the future.

5) Has more creative team names.

i thought this was too obvious to even mention................

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Is Team B claiming that he didn't know he was trading a 2014 pick when he made the first trade? Was this something they talked about through other means and then just messed up submitting it through MFL or was the only communication the MFL offer?

 

[ffguru56]

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum but I believe I've seen similar posts made here...

I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this situation and how it should be dealt with. Team A made a trade with Team B in May. Team A gave up Antonio Gates and 5th overall to Team B for Tony Gonzalez and 3rd overall. The message that was sent along with the trade read: "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE". The trade was accepted, voted on by the league and passed, and the rosters were automatically changed by RTSports.

Fast forward to today when Team B makes a trade with Team C that involves Team B's 3rd overall pick that was supposedly involved in the trade with Team A in May. Upon investigation the picks involved in the trade between Team A and B were unintentionally for picks in the 2015 draft, which goes against our league's constitution. Unfortunately, RTSports won't allow for us to turn this option off and was admittedly a mistake by Team A, as it was intended to be the same trade offer but involving the upcoming 2014 picks.

Team C says he won't do the trade now if he loses two spots in the first round. This trade helps Team B out MUCH more than the trade it made with Team A so it makes sense for Team B to prefer the trade with Team C to go through instead of the trade with Team A.

My claim is not only does our constitution not allow the trade of draft picks beyond the upcoming draft but particularly the comment made in the offer, "just drop 2 spots and you've got yourself a TE", clearly indicates the offer was under the assumption (for BOTH parties) that the picks involved were for 2014, not 2015, and that Team B should still be on the hook for and accept the corrected offer from Team A. Thoughts?

I would quit this league and find one that:

1) Doesn't vote on trades (especially since clearly nobody is paying attention and voting yes on illegal trades).

2) Is hosted on MFL.

3) Has people that know what they're doing and don't trade premium top draft position for ancient, end-of-roster tight ends.

4) Allows you to trade draft picks further ahead into the future.

5) Has more creative team names.

Well, problem averted. I assumed Team B would not go for correcting the initial trade because the corrected trade was sent to him and he declined it. However, once the commish talked to him and he understood what was going on he gladly accepted the new, corrected offer.

I appreciate everyone's responses but let me rebut on the points above:

1) I agree that we shouldn't even bother with voting since I can't remember when was one voted down. To me, it's an ancient system in that regard and trades should only require a vote when a member requests one. We are of the mindset that as long as there is no collusion then who are the rest of the members to say what is and is not a bad trade - that it should be accepted regardless. Additionally, it might be relevant to point out that our league consists of family and friends, with a couple of people having been in the league since its inception 11 years ago that are friends with one of the members that the rest of the group is friends with.

2) Our league was bought out by RTsports and we've been using it for a few years now, without many issues. They are pretty quick in responding to our needs if and when we have them. Plus, I'm not familiar with MFL.

3) Agreed. There are a couple of people we are aware of that I'll assume will eventually be filtered out...in time.

4) This was an addendum we made to our Constitution so our league specifically doesn't want it and I agree. This will prevent someone from selling the house on their next 5 years worth of draft picks to "buy" a championship and then conversely making the other team a potential dynasty as a result. Avoiding this promotes a more balanced and methodical approach to regulating your team, thus giving the advantage to those who know fantasy football as opposed to those who just buy a win.

5) I thought it was normal for 10 team dynasty leagues to have names Team A - J?

Thanks again for the input everyone.