Traded AJ Hawk (1 Viewer)

[Uruk-Hai]

If the mods feel this belongs in the ACP forum I'll understand. I just didn't know how many guys here went over there & wanted some input from knowledgeable IDP people.

Anyway, I took over an bandoned team in Zealots. My DBs were frighteningly bad IMO & I was pretty deep at LB.

Here are my LBs before the trade:

Bulluck Keith

Hawk, A.J.

Hobson, Victor

Lawson, Manny

Phillips, Shaun

Urlacher, Brian

Wimbley, Kamerion

Not utterly fantastic, but my deepest position.

Here are my DBs before the trade:

Jones Pac Man

Miller, Justin

Newman, Terence

Rolle, Antrel

Ferguson, Nick

Manning, Danieal

First, let me admit that my feel for CBs ain't great. I'm much more comfortable with Safeties and with only Ferguson & Manning at S, I was pretty skittish about this group.

So, I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start.

Thoughts?

 

[lord_helmet]

Depends on if you think Dawan Landry will be a stud or not I guess.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think you should have dug deeper on the defensive backs. Corners are good starters as long as you play the matchups and even in deep leagues like Zealots top 20 performers can be found as free agents.

You could have traded Hawk for a very good WR with upside. Bernard Berrian for example or even better depending on the situation. Your Lber group is outstanding. Hard to have much better than Bulluck Urlacher Hawk.

I think you should have been more paitient and traded a Lber to help your offense. JMO.

 

[lord_helmet]

While its true you can successfully play the match-ups with a good group of CBs, those consistent plug and play safeties are very nice to have too. Hawk has alot of hype and a solid rookie season, if you're trading him for a DB get a stud. The mistake IMO was getting two "mediocre" safeties, in stead of one stud and another throw-in DB.

Landry will have to share in the Baltimore defense, his ceiling might not be all that high. Not sure about Hamlin either, new outlook for Roy Williams ?

 

[Slinger]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

 

[bcr8f]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

 

[Slinger]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

I agree. Just the fact that he's even considered as the 4th best LB shows that you can get more for him.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

I agree. Just the fact that he's even considered as the 4th best LB shows that you can get more for him.

Really? Well, this was by far the best offer I got. I had a couple of low-ball things, but that's it. I can accept that I undersold him, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the door was being beaten down to get him, 4th ranked LB on the FBG IDP forum or not.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think you should have dug deeper on the defensive backs.

1.)Corners are good starters as long as you play the matchups and even in deep leagues like Zealots top 20 performers can be found as free agents. As I said, I don't trust myself handicapping CBs yet; I'm more comfortable with S

2.) You could have traded Hawk for a very good WR with upside. Bernard Berrian for example or even better depending on the situation. Your Lber group is outstanding. Hard to have much better than Bulluck Urlacher Hawk. Maybe, but I wasn't getting any OP offers & I wouldn't have traded Hawk for Berrian using your players. Just MHO

3.)I think you should have been more paitient and traded a Lber to help your offense. JMO. Fair enough

 

[Rovers]

I have a sort of rule I go by.... never trade a stud for anything less than another stud. It's the top twenty players that will win you championships. (IDP speaking). There can be extenuating circumstances, such as the prospect of losing a stud through an FA or RFA league setup that can force someone's hand, but otherwise, it's better to be the guy trading 2 top 35 players for the top twenty player. DB's in particular can always be found via waivers. Sheer numbers says so... 32 teams X's 4 DB's each= 128 starters. In a 12 team league, that's obviously more than 10 DB's per team are available.

Mining for DB's can be time consuming, but I picked up Sensabaugh for one league $ via FA. I don't know if he'll be a high FF scoring safety yet, but he is penciled in as the starter to replace ... ah, name slips my mind... the safety that left in FA this year. DB's are also somewhat risky... look at Bullocks for NO... a starter last year, now will play behind Kavershawn (sp?). That sort of thing never happens to a player like Hawk. Or a Champ Bailey. Keep the studs.... those are the players that will win for you.

 

[Slinger]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

I agree. Just the fact that he's even considered as the 4th best LB shows that you can get more for him.

Really? Well, this was by far the best offer I got. I had a couple of low-ball things, but that's it. I can accept that I undersold him, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the door was being beaten down to get him, 4th ranked LB on the FBG IDP forum or not.

During last year's draft Hawk was typically selected between the 1.10 and 2.4 pick in all the Zealots league. Would you trade a 1.10 for those 2 DB's. It was a mistake. We all make mistakes and you're not doomed for it.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Landry was a free agent in almost every league at the start of the season. You can always find guys like that on the waiver wire.

 

[slayer666]

I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start. Thoughts?

Serviceable defensive backs can be found on the waiver wire, even in 16 team leagues.

 

[tex]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

I agree. Just the fact that he's even considered as the 4th best LB shows that you can get more for him.

Really? Well, this was by far the best offer I got. I had a couple of low-ball things, but that's it. I can accept that I undersold him, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the door was being beaten down to get him, 4th ranked LB on the FBG IDP forum or not.

The reason nobody was beating down the door to get him is because the IDP scoring in Zealots sucks! Even for LB's.

 

[Rovers]

The guys in this forum voted Hawk as the 4th best LB to have in dynasty league: link

You can still recover if you find someone to replace Hawk's numbers, but you got creamed.

Some of those rankings are pretty far off imo. I'd put him at about 8-10.Jene has him rated 20th in a beta.

I agree. Just the fact that he's even considered as the 4th best LB shows that you can get more for him.

Really? Well, this was by far the best offer I got. I had a couple of low-ball things, but that's it. I can accept that I undersold him, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the door was being beaten down to get him, 4th ranked LB on the FBG IDP forum or not.

The reason nobody was beating down the door to get him is because the IDP scoring in Zealots sucks! Even for LB's.

I agree.... Zealots IDP scoring sucks. That's why I'm not in any of those leagues. IDP's in Zealots are like drafting kickers.....

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start. Thoughts?

Serviceable defensive backs can be found on the waiver wire, even in 16 team leagues.

I don't look as either of these guys as only serviceable, though. Both are young & I think Landry's in a great position (Will friggin Demps got paid playing in this system for a year). Hamlin, we'll have to wait & see on but he's young & talented.Also, it doesn't really matter to me where any of them were ranked/drafted going into 2006; it matters where I think they are now & going forward. I plugged a major hole, IMO, with better than replacement level players......but it seems the consensus is that I undersold (oh, and that Z IDP scoring sucks ). I didn't mean to come across as thin-skinned in my previous post. If this is the worst move I make all year, I'll be happy

 

[Daisuke Matsuzaka]

Pretty bad trade, IMO. Pretty much echo the sentiments of others - you simply didn't get enough to justify moving a stud, young, linebacker.

 

[Toads]

The reason nobody was beating down the door to get him is because the IDP scoring in Zealots sucks! Even for LB's.

I agree.... Zealots IDP scoring sucks. That's why I'm not in any of those leagues. IDP's in Zealots are like drafting kickers.....

Z-Land is RB-Land. They even self flagalated by changing the rules to allow a 3-RB starter configuration.

Self perpetuating low-level flying.

Just an excuse to join the MAX leagues....that's fun.

 

[WhoDat]

If the mods feel this belongs in the ACP forum I'll understand. I just didn't know how many guys here went over there & wanted some input from knowledgeable IDP people.Anyway, I took over an bandoned team in Zealots. My DBs were frighteningly bad IMO & I was pretty deep at LB. Here are my LBs before the trade:Bulluck KeithHawk, A.J. Hobson, Victor Lawson, Manny Phillips, Shaun Urlacher, Brian Wimbley, Kamerion Not utterly fantastic, but my deepest position.Here are my DBs before the trade:Jones Pac Man Miller, Justin Newman, Terence Rolle, Antrel Ferguson, Nick Manning, Danieal First, let me admit that my feel for CBs ain't great. I'm much more comfortable with Safeties and with only Ferguson & Manning at S, I was pretty skittish about this group.So, I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start.Thoughts?

So you're the new guy in Z48!

 

[Uruk-Hai]

If the mods feel this belongs in the ACP forum I'll understand. I just didn't know how many guys here went over there & wanted some input from knowledgeable IDP people.

Anyway, I took over an bandoned team in Zealots. My DBs were frighteningly bad IMO & I was pretty deep at LB.

Here are my LBs before the trade:

Bulluck Keith

Hawk, A.J.

Hobson, Victor

Lawson, Manny

Phillips, Shaun

Urlacher, Brian

Wimbley, Kamerion

Not utterly fantastic, but my deepest position.

Here are my DBs before the trade:

Jones Pac Man

Miller, Justin

Newman, Terence

Rolle, Antrel

Ferguson, Nick

Manning, Danieal

First, let me admit that my feel for CBs ain't great. I'm much more comfortable with Safeties and with only Ferguson & Manning at S, I was pretty skittish about this group.

So, I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start.

Thoughts?

So you're the new guy in Z48!

Evidently, the dumb new guy Are you in 48 too?

 

[WhoDat]

If the mods feel this belongs in the ACP forum I'll understand. I just didn't know how many guys here went over there & wanted some input from knowledgeable IDP people.

Anyway, I took over an bandoned team in Zealots. My DBs were frighteningly bad IMO & I was pretty deep at LB.

Here are my LBs before the trade:

Bulluck Keith

Hawk, A.J.

Hobson, Victor

Lawson, Manny

Phillips, Shaun

Urlacher, Brian

Wimbley, Kamerion

Not utterly fantastic, but my deepest position.

Here are my DBs before the trade:

Jones Pac Man

Miller, Justin

Newman, Terence

Rolle, Antrel

Ferguson, Nick

Manning, Danieal

First, let me admit that my feel for CBs ain't great. I'm much more comfortable with Safeties and with only Ferguson & Manning at S, I was pretty skittish about this group.

So, I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start.

Thoughts?

So you're the new guy in Z48!

Evidently, the dumb new guy Are you in 48 too?

Yes. I believe we traded emails about some potential business.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

If the mods feel this belongs in the ACP forum I'll understand. I just didn't know how many guys here went over there & wanted some input from knowledgeable IDP people.

Anyway, I took over an bandoned team in Zealots. My DBs were frighteningly bad IMO & I was pretty deep at LB.

Here are my LBs before the trade:

Bulluck Keith

Hawk, A.J.

Hobson, Victor

Lawson, Manny

Phillips, Shaun

Urlacher, Brian

Wimbley, Kamerion

Not utterly fantastic, but my deepest position.

Here are my DBs before the trade:

Jones Pac Man

Miller, Justin

Newman, Terence

Rolle, Antrel

Ferguson, Nick

Manning, Danieal

First, let me admit that my feel for CBs ain't great. I'm much more comfortable with Safeties and with only Ferguson & Manning at S, I was pretty skittish about this group.

So, I traded Hawk for Dawan Landry & Ken Hamlin. I know some think Hamlin's value is going to drop considerably in Dallas, but I feel much better with him than I do with Newman or Miller having to start.

Thoughts?

So you're the new guy in Z48!

Evidently, the dumb new guy Are you in 48 too?

Yes. I believe we traded emails about some potential business.

Ok, that narrows it down to one of 11.......

 

[Keg]

Pretty bad trade, IMO. Pretty much echo the sentiments of others - you simply didn't get enough to justify moving a stud, young, linebacker.

agreedfwiw this is a deal i did for hawk back on October 25th of last yr...

I gave up AJ Hawk(DTS) Jon Alston(DTS)

I GOT Jason Campbell(DTS), Abdul Hodge(DTS), JJ Arrington(5)

6th round rook pick in 2007 & $2

DTS= Developmental Taxi Squad

 

[Zoomanji]

Pretty bad trade, IMO. Pretty much echo the sentiments of others - you simply didn't get enough to justify moving a stud, young, linebacker.

agreedfwiw this is a deal i did for hawk back on October 25th of last yr...

I gave up AJ Hawk(DTS) Jon Alston(DTS)

I GOT Jason Campbell(DTS), Abdul Hodge(DTS), JJ Arrington(5)

6th round rook pick in 2007 & $2

DTS= Developmental Taxi Squad

I don't know if I like this trade any better. Hopefully if Hodge finally makes an impact and Campbell gets some consistency it will turn out in your favor. Arrington clogs up your roster with his 5 yr deal more than being helpful

 

[Keg]

Pretty bad trade, IMO. Pretty much echo the sentiments of others - you simply didn't get enough to justify moving a stud, young, linebacker.

agreedfwiw this is a deal i did for hawk back on October 25th of last yr...

I gave up AJ Hawk(DTS) Jon Alston(DTS)

I GOT Jason Campbell(DTS), Abdul Hodge(DTS), JJ Arrington(5)

6th round rook pick in 2007 & $2

DTS= Developmental Taxi Squad

I don't know if I like this trade any better. Hopefully if Hodge finally makes an impact and Campbell gets some consistency it will turn out in your favor. Arrington clogs up your roster with his 5 yr deal more than being helpful

sometimes to land a starting QB in a 16 team dynasty league you have to gamble...i felt the gamble was worth it considering the skins have Saunders as their OC and he did wonders for TGreen in KC...Arrington is a calculated gamble and if after this yr he shows no promise as a possible replacement for edge I will cut him at seasons end when there wont be a cap penalty...I have FAITH that Hodge will end up in the middle in GB if not this yr then maybe next...but fwiw it wasnt easy to deal Hawk...but I had NO starting QBs at all

 

[The Sandman]

Its zealots, who cares about free leagues .

 

[crowman]

Z-Land is RB-Land. They even self flagellated by changing the rules to allow a 3-RB starter configuration.

Zealots has always allowed a 3 rb line up using a O flex player. The rule your referring to added the ability for starting a second tight end over a third wide receiver. All three of my Z teams average approx 40% of scoring from D. I may be the exception to the rule but my three teams have made the finals six times in all combined. I don't think Z scoring is too out of whack for 12 team leagues. I'd like to see more points from D but the membership has voted down many attempts at increasing scoring.I've found in every league I'm in RBs are always the first off the boards unless it's an HAFA type league or a sixteen team where LBs are roughly equivalent to RBs in scoring value.

 

[Bizkiteer]

It appears you just went on last years pts and that is it. When dealing a name that has true potential, you need to get something proven back. If not, you are truly playing roulette and chances are you'll walk away from the table empty handed.

I think you could have gotten much more if you shopped around. Hawk went in the first round in our zealots league a year ago. That right there shows how some viewed him, you should have found that owner in your league. Now you are left with a unproven guy who could be a one yr wonder and a fill in. IMO