Trading Elite Studs (1 Viewer)

[Football Menace]

When I say elite studs, i'm talking about players like LJ, LT, and Alexander. IMO, having players like those guys are a luxury that's hard to come by in fantasy football. They're sort of like "security blankets." If the rest of your team does nothing, you can usually count on them to give you at least a touchdown or 2 (and w/ LJ 150 yards also). I have no love for any of the players on my team, and I'd ship my elite stud in a heartbeat if the price was right. The problem is the price never seems right (Maybe I do love them). I guess it all goes back to that "security blanket" thing. I find it hard to give up the most valuable player in a trade, and recieve lesser players in return, even if it is mutiple players.

Anybody in the same boat? And for those "stud traders," what was your breaking point?

 

[UrBallsEL]

I am in a 12 team Keeper league, and I am fotunate enough to have both LT and Alexander.

I have had this tandem for two full seasons now, and there isn't a player that I would trade for if it means giving up one of these guys.

I have been offered Peyton, and T. Owens for Alexander... and I turned it down.

I would think about giving up one in return for a Caddilac Williams and the #1 dynasty pick though. Thinking of LT, Williams and Bush in the lineup would be incredible.

 

[Bankerguy]

Thinking of trading LJ myself.....interested to hear the other side.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Two very good young players. Traded LT for S. Jackson and S. Smith and I still feel great about it.

 

[JohnnyU]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

 

[gman8343]

Traded Alexander, M Harrison and a '07 1st rounder (probably late) for Caddy, KJones, A Boldin and Michael Clayton in a dynasty league.

Wanted to get younger.

 

[Garts]

12 team, 10 player keeper.....I traded McGahee and Portis for LT. I also have Cadillac and Rudi, so I have depth and now a uber-stud instead of just a stud (Portis) and a really good RB (WMG)

 

[Football Menace]

Thinking of trading LJ myself.....interested to hear the other side.

I have him in my main league, and I just can't pull the trigger. I believe the offers are more than fair, but the luxury of having LJ's (potential) consistent production is just too hard to give up. The offer would have to floor me.Just let you know, I was offered Lamont Jordan and the 1.01 pick (probably Tiki) in our 10-team, 1 player keeper league draft.

 

[kellumsboys]

I was just offered tiki and darrell jackson for alexander in a dynasty league.

I am in bad need of a #2 WR but just couldn't pull the trigger.

I am also weak at DL so I countered by offering to throw in mo morris if he would throw in leonard little.

that was rejected.

oh well, I still have alexander.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I was just offered tiki and darrell jackson for alexander in a dynasty league.

I am in bad need of a #2 WR but just couldn't pull the trigger.

I am also weak at DL so I countered by offering to throw in mo morris if he would throw in leonard little.

that was rejected.

oh well, I still have alexander.

He rejected a trade over Leonard Little? Yikes.

 

[Slinger]

Traded Alexander, M Harrison and a '07 1st rounder (probably late) for Caddy, KJones, A Boldin and Michael Clayton in a dynasty league.

I hope you don't learn the hard way, but never assume that. You're just a few injuries from having (or had) the 1st overall pick.

 

[FUBAR]

12 team, 10 player keeper.....I traded McGahee and Portis for LT. I also have Cadillac and Rudi, so I have depth and now a uber-stud instead of just a stud (Portis) and a really good RB (WMG)

This is what it takes. I don't see Portis as that far from elite himself, and Buffalo's offense will be improved at some point in the future.

 

[gman8343]

Traded Alexander, M Harrison and a '07 1st rounder (probably late) for Caddy, KJones, A Boldin and Michael Clayton in a dynasty league.

I hope you don't learn the hard way, but never assume that. You're just a few injuries from having (or had) the 1st overall pick.

I said probably, not definately. I never assume anything except DeShaun Foster won't play a full season.

 

[Ozymandias]

My rule is: Never trade a bonafide stud for 2 good players. Which means (if I had them) I would not trade any of the three best RB's, the best WR, the best QB and the best TE.

There is a reason they are studs; one is continuous production, and the second is longevity. I figure I can pick up players for the rest of my squad.

You might say: Never say never. But I cannot think of any trade which would cause me to part with any of the above players, if I had them.

 

[Football Menace]

My rule is: Never trade a bonafide stud for 2 good players. Which means (if I had them) I would not trade any of the three best RB's, the best WR, the best QB and the best TE.

There is a reason they are studs; one is continuous production, and the second is longevity. I figure I can pick up players for the rest of my squad.

You might say: Never say never. But I cannot think of any trade which would cause me to part with any of the above players, if I had them.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I think it all depends on the depth of your squad. If your depth is good, don't trade a stud. If your depth is terrible and you're begging for a .500 record through the bye weeks, consider dealing a stud for two (...or three) good players.

 

[nightshift]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

 

[gang-wars]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.  Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

For LT/LJ in dynasty, it would take (exclude SA)Portis + (Brown, Caddy, S-JAX) + Boldin + 1st next year.

kthx.

 

[FUBAR]

My rule is: Never trade a bonafide stud for 2 good players. Which means (if I had them) I would not trade any of the three best RB's, the best WR, the best QB and the best TE.

There is a reason they are studs; one is continuous production, and the second is longevity. I figure I can pick up players for the rest of my squad.

You might say: Never say never. But I cannot think of any trade which would cause me to part with any of the above players, if I had them.

Who is the best WR? Fitz? CJ? Moss? TO? Smith? the fact that this is even questionable leads me to think your logic is wrong.Now, how about the QB - if you have Peyton, and I offered Palmer, McNabb, Portis, and Shockey, straight, would you be interested?

How about Caddy, Ronnie Brown, and Randy Moss for Alexander?

I don't think you mean "any" trade, rather one that the other side would make.

So, the question is asked again, what is a fair trade for these guys?

 

[slimflop]

Traded Chad Johnson, D Davis for L.T. We keep 3.

 

[nightshift]

2 things come to mind.



Those with the studs. They are usually holding them so tight, they are blind to the possibility of a trade. These "studs" are like Linus' blanket to most FF team owners. As long as they have a stud or 2, they feel safe and in control. Without them, they feel naked and may have to really think about playing FF in a manner they are not acustom to. Very few FF players can think on their feet and make "chicken soup out of chicken crap."



Those wanting studs. To make the trade, you practically have gut you team. Seldom is there a "one for one" in stud trades. Remembering that those with the stud believe they own the golden goose, they now want the "moon+". Chances are no one will give that much to them in a trade, so they have the misconception to hold onto the player 'til he retires or some other odd notion.



What you need to look for is stud trade opportunity. A player injury that decreases a stud's value momentarily (or so you believe ), perhaps a FF team that is in dire need of a lot of players, or if you are holding the stud, time to trade is at the pinnacle of his FF worth before his production decreases significantly.

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

For LT/LJ in dynasty, it would take (exclude SA)Portis + (Brown, Caddy, S-JAX) + Boldin + 1st next year.

kthx.

Yikes! I would be very, very surprised to see anyone offer that for LT or LJ. I know they are worth a lot but that is borderline ridiculous! And I am an LT owner.

 

[nightshift]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

For LT/LJ in dynasty, it would take (exclude SA)Portis + (Brown, Caddy, S-JAX) + Boldin + 1st next year.

kthx.

Yikes! I would be very, very surprised to see anyone offer that for LT or LJ. I know they are worth a lot but that is borderline ridiculous! And I am an LT owner.

Linus has replied. As an LJ owner, I agree with you (almost, because it is ridiculous!). No way would someone pay that and if they did, the league should step in and veto the trade.

BTW, LT's value zenith is close at hand. This year or next he should top out.

 

[Hawkeyeskin]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

For LT/LJ in dynasty, it would take (exclude SA)Portis + (Brown, Caddy, S-JAX) + Boldin + 1st next year.

kthx.

Yikes! I would be very, very surprised to see anyone offer that for LT or LJ. I know they are worth a lot but that is absolutely ridiculous! And I am an LT owner.

fixed

 

[Chaz]

Those who are saying to never trade your studs may be a little shortsighted. How often does an absolute top player stay at that level? Holmes, Faulk, Randy Moss, their value dropped significantly in short periods of time. I think that an offer of two very good players for an LT, Alexander or LJ should always be considered, in the context of a teams needs, of course.

 

[nygiants56]

Two very good young players. Traded LT for S. Jackson and S. Smith and I still feel great about it.

nice trade. LT does things in bunches, i.e., he'll go for 175+ yards and 3 tds one week,then 17-49 with 0 tds the next..It's very bumpy ride with him, lots of highs and lows..Smith is the best wr in the game -bar none-, and S Jackson is an up-n-coming talented RB who could reach career-best numbers in 2006...

Diversification! gotta love it! you trade a top notch RB for the best WR AND a top 10 RB!! chances are,they will both produce and you're not likely to see them have 'off' days on the same Sunday...

I traded LT for Smith 2 years ago at the trade deadline, and went on to win the title, I needed a WR badly at that point, and LT wasn't returning on the investment I put on him ( #1 overall pick)

Last year I traded Portis for the 2nd overall pick in a keeper draft and Joe Horn. That 2nd overall pick I used to select LJ, and went on to win the title. Horn was a bust in 2005, but it didn't matter, I had the trophy!

 

[Football Menace]

My thoughts on this is, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.  Unless of course the other guy wants to give me the moon+.

That's what he's asking!What is the "moon+"?

For LT/LJ in dynasty, it would take (exclude SA)Portis + (Brown, Caddy, S-JAX) + Boldin + 1st next year.

kthx.

Yikes! I would be very, very surprised to see anyone offer that for LT or LJ. I know they are worth a lot but that is borderline ridiculous! And I am an LT owner.

Linus has replied. As an LJ owner, I agree with you (almost, because it is ridiculous!). No way would someone pay that and if they did, the league should step in and veto the trade.

BTW, LT's value zenith is close at hand. This year or next he should top out.

The 1st might be a little bit much, but Portis+S. Jax+Boldin would be something I'd start to consider. Like I said earlier, security is the key. Half the battle in fantasy football is predictions. With LJ, you could say with out question (well almost) that you're going to get 110/1 every game, and many times, you're going to get more. LJ is a guy you put into your lineup and don't worry about no matter the opponent. You spent the rest of you time focusing on the rest of your team. You can't do that with other players, with the exception of LT and SA. So if you trade LJ for Tiki and Lamont Jordan, sure, together they will out score LJ when the season is over, but how many times will they out score LJ and player X on a week to week basis.

 

[DarkManX]

It depends it you mean STUDS overall or in their positions. Currently I have Chad and TO in my keeper as well as Gates who would be considered STUDS in their field/position. At the moment in the off-season im not willing to trade them for much, I have had a few offers which im not willing to bite on yet. Ill let the owners stress a little until its draft time and I might try move them before the draft for a pick or 2 but who knows.

I think if you have 2 of the top 3 WRs then its worth holding onto as you already have the upper hand during the season in that position.

 

[Hawk]

I traded Julius Jones, Chester Taylor, #12 pick this year, and my 1st rounder next year for Portis in my 12 team, keep 5 league. I overpaid a little, but it was worth it to me to consolidate two so-so guys into one stud since I have more than 5 guys I wanted to keep. Bottom line is you mostly have to overpay for the true studs in order to get someone to get over the mental hurdle of parting with them or being mercilessly teased for giving one up too cheap.

I also traded for LT in that league last year and gave up McNabb, 1st overall pick last year (He really wanted C.Benson...ouch!), 4th rounder last year, and 2nd rounder this year.

I gave up a lot, but now I have LT and Portis as the foundation of my team. It would take a lot to get either of them off me at this point.

 

[Football Menace]

I traded Julius Jones, Chester Taylor, #12 pick this year, and my 1st rounder next year for Portis in my 12 team, keep 5 league. I overpaid a little, but it was worth it to me to consolidate two so-so guys into one stud since I have more than 5 guys I wanted to keep. Bottom line is you mostly have to overpay for the true studs in order to get someone to get over the mental hurdle of parting with them or being mercilessly teased for giving one up too cheap.

I also traded for LT in that league last year and gave up McNabb, 1st overall pick last year (He really wanted C.Benson...ouch!), 4th rounder last year, and 2nd rounder this year.

I gave up a lot, but now I have LT and Portis as the foundation of my team. It would take a lot to get either of them off me at this point.

In both cases, I say you robbed the guy. Both guys went from having every week starters (LT and Portis) to an every week headache. This is a classic example of why I'd have trouble trading away LJ.

 

[Ducegonads]

My rule is: Never trade a bonafide stud for 2 good players. Which means (if I had them) I would not trade any of the three best RB's, the best WR, the best QB and the best TE.

There is a reason they are studs; one is continuous production, and the second is longevity. I figure I can pick up players for the rest of my squad.

You might say: Never say never. But I cannot think of any trade which would cause me to part with any of the above players, if I had them.

Agreed. I have never had an offer that made me about trading my STUD for more than 1 second. Having the best player or top 2 at the RB, QB position is what keeps you in the running. They get you in the playoffs when all else fails on the roster. Some can win a game all on their own. If someone wanted Alexander from me it would take Portis, CJ and an early pick. Now who's gonna pay that?

 

[noneother]

guess it depends on the state of your team...

i traded reggie brown, deuce m, dayne, braylon edwards for edge

leaving me chad johnson, vincent jackson, caddy, reggie bush, and edge...

its a cap / auction league, i should be able buy harrison or holt..contracts expired..

other guy had rudi, and alexander... he got himself depth and projects...i feel i got a producer...

 

[Demons]

I traded LT in early April of this year for Caddy, the 2006 #2 and #5 and his 2007 first round pick. I did this as a sell high strategy. The league is a Dynasty and his value has peaked for Dynasty purposes.

I moved Caddy for A. Boldin, since we get a point per reception in this league. I'm not a big proponent of Caddy, so getting him was only to maximize future trade value, to replace the points I lost with LT.

The #2 turned into Lawrence Maroney. He is a keeper.

On the #5 I got lucky, when the RB's went 5 deep. The #5 turned into LenDale White. I packaged him with Santana Moss and got Steve Smith in return.

Steve Smith and Anquan Boldin should replace the numbers of LT and Santana Moss, and I have Maroney and the first round pick next year to hope I get lucky. Plus, Steve Smith and Boldin are young enough that they should produce longer than LT will, given the relative longevity of WR's versus RB's.

The moral of this story is that even "elite" studs will change from one year to the next. Never be afraid of doing the deal, if you have confidence in yourself. If I just blew the call on the trade of LT, at least people will know that I am not always the winner on trades. The best trades are ones where both parties come out on top.

Two good players for a stud sometimes is the best call, since you are diversifying your risk.

Every team is different. If all you have is the stud and a pouch of magic beans, you ain't winning it this year. Trade LT or SA for a pile of picks or several good players. In one league this year, I was weak at RB, but incredibly strong at WR. I traded TO and Andre Johnson for the #2 pick. I tried for the #1 first and got turned down. The moral of the story is that trades are not made in a vacuum. There are factors exclusive to a particular trade situation that may help both teams maximize their return.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I traded LT in early April of this year for Caddy, the 2006 #2 and #5 and his 2007 first round pick. I did this as a sell high strategy. The league is a Dynasty and his value has peaked for Dynasty purposes.

I moved Caddy for A. Boldin, since we get a point per reception in this league. I'm not a big proponent of Caddy, so getting him was only to maximize future trade value, to replace the points I lost with LT.

The #2 turned into Lawrence Maroney. He is a keeper.

On the #5 I got lucky, when the RB's went 5 deep. The #5 turned into LenDale White. I packaged him with Santana Moss and got Steve Smith in return.

Steve Smith and Anquan Boldin should replace the numbers of LT and Santana Moss, and I have Maroney and the first round pick next year to hope I get lucky. Plus, Steve Smith and Boldin are young enough that they should produce longer than LT will, given the relative longevity of WR's versus RB's.

The moral of this story is that even "elite" studs will change from one year to the next. Never be afraid of doing the deal, if you have confidence in yourself. If I just blew the call on the trade of LT, at least people will know that I am not always the winner on trades. The best trades are ones where both parties come out on top.

Two good players for a stud sometimes is the best call, since you are diversifying your risk.

Every team is different. If all you have is the stud and a pouch of magic beans, you ain't winning it this year. Trade LT or SA for a pile of picks or several good players. In one league this year, I was weak at RB, but incredibly strong at WR. I traded TO and Andre Johnson for the #2 pick. I tried for the #1 first and got turned down. The moral of the story is that trades are not made in a vacuum. There are factors exclusive to a particular trade situation that may help both teams maximize their return.

Like the sig quote as well.

A lot of 'experts' tell you you can never trade a stud *coughespncough*. It's just not true, though easier to do in keeper or dynasty formats.

There are ways to get value - the above, in my mind, is proof of that.

Mind you, it can take work -- on BOTH ends - and a willingness to give up something. And THAT is why trades of studs are so rare. But demon had a plan, maximized his value and got ultimately, a good value for his LT.

IMO, of course. Other's mileage may vary.