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Travdogg's positional rankings from week 4 onward (1 Viewer)

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QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (2)
2. Lamar Jackson (3)
3. Jalen Hurts (1), WR injuries drop him a bit, but #1 overall upside still exists. He's been a mixed bag, with some really bad decisions, but he's also never been more accurate.

Tier 2:
4. Patrick Mahomes (4)
5. CJ Stroud (5)
6. Jayden Daniels (6)
7. Kyler Murray (7)

Tier 3:
8. Dak Prescott (10), Dallas D looks like a mess, and running game is non-existent, so its bombs away for Dak.
9. Joe Burrow (9)
10. Anthony Richardson (8), wild experience watching this guy. Might be the least accurate passer in the NFL but throws some beauties deep. Slightly concerning that he's not running as much as expected, yardage has decreased every week.

Tier 4:
11. Jordan Love (13), looking like this could be the week he's back. Should unlock some more big plays for the Packers passing game, even if he's slightly limited as a runner.
12. Brock Purdy (12)
13. Baker Mayfield (NR), banged up defense, and terrible running game (save us Bucky!) is leading to some pass heavy scripts going forward I think. Evans feels due for an eruption game.
14. Trevor Lawrence (14)
15. Justin Fields (15)

Dropped off: Tua Tagovailoa (11), I am expecting him back after his 4 games on IR, but as a non-running QB, he's not worth keeping in the top-15.
 
RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (1)
2. Jonathan Taylor (6), isn't losing TDs to Richardson like many expected, and has looked like the Taylor of old in the open field.
3. Breece Hall (3)
4. De'Von Achane (2)
5. Bijan Robinson (4)

Tier 2:
6. Alvin Kamara (9), Saints offense came crashing back to earth (much like I thought it would) but Kamara's workload didn't.
7. Derrick Henry (11), that game script was more in line with what I was expecting for the Ravens this season. Henry will be boom/bust but is still one of the few week winners around. Still an elite runner.
8. James Cook (5), looks like an elite player out there, and just missed a long TD, only knock is offense goes through Allen first.
9. Kyren Williams (8)
10. Jahmyr Gibbs (7), we'll see how the running game is affected without Ragnow. I do feel like they've been forcing the issue a bit with Gibbs as a receiver, and I'm not sure that stays as high as its been, given its lack of success, same thing happened early last season, and they adjusted.

Tier 3:
11. Joe Mixon (10)
12. Christian McCaffrey (16), reading through the CMC thread, I'm on the side of this Germany trip being a positive for CMC. He's clearly trying to accelerate his return in my eyes.
13. James Conner (12)
14. Josh Jacobs (14)

Tier 4:
15. Kenneth Walker (13)
16. JK Dobbins (17)
17. Aaron Jones (20), of 2 minds with Jones. On the one hand, I've always thought he was an elite talent, with no real holes in his game, on the other, he's always found a way to never truly get a bellcow workload. I could see him a tier higher, but I could also see Chandler getting more involved at any point.
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.

Tier 5:
19. David Montgomery (18)
20. Travis Etienne (19)
21. Jordan Mason (21)
22. Zack Moss (23)
23. Tony Pollard (22)

Tier 6:
24. Devin Singletary (27), its not pretty, but he's a startable player every week, as he rarely leaves the field, and is involved in the passing game.
25. Zach Charbonnet (NR), top-10 RB in any game Walker misses, makes him arguably the best handcuff this side of Mason. Of course, Walker should be back this week or next. RB is thin enough, that he's worth prioritizing just based on contingent upside.
26. Brian Robinson (25)
27. Najee Harris (28)
28. Rachaad White (24), could be in danger of losing lead rushing role, and being more of the 3rd down RB he always has looked like.
29. Isiah Pacheco (26), maybe this is silly, as timelines are all over the place from a week 9 return to out for the season. RB is pretty thin, so unless I was in a really small league, I'd hold onto him. I highly doubt anyone does much to take his job in the meantime.
30. Jerome Ford (NR), I'm willing to bet week 2 was the fluke week usage wise.

Dropped off: Javonte Williams (29), bad running team, and now Tyler Badie is part of the equation. Jaylen Warren (30), seemingly banged up again, and Najee seems to have a stranglehold on the top job, despite inefficiency. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
 
WR
Tier 1:
1. Justin Jefferson (1)
2. Ja'Marr Chase (6)
3. CeeDee Lamb (3)
4. Amon-Ra St. Brown (5)
5. Tyreek Hill (4)

Tier 2:
6. Rashee Rice (12), he's the clear #1 in KC, and has the 2nd highest target share in the NFL. I avoided him, just because I don't wanna root for him, but there are no holes in his game. Wins both before and after the catch and has been getting deep.
7. Nico Collins (2), he's elite, the drop is more about adjusting for Diggs than anything Nico is doing.
8. Marvin Harrison (7)
9. Davante Adams (8)

Tier 3:
10. AJ Brown (17), has WR1 overall upside, and is a week closer to returning. Expecting it to be week 6 after their week 5 bye.
11. Malik Nabers (11)
12. DeVonta Smith (13)
13. Chris Olave (16)
14. Mike Evans (9), feels due for an explosion game, but its a bit concerning how much he's lagging behind Godwin in targets. Could flip them if Evans doesn't get going.
15. Garrett Wilson (10), truthfully, I think he's an overrated talent. Kind of a rich man's Diontae Johnson. Rodgers looks great, and one could argue Wilson is a buy low as he and Rodgers get more acclimated, but I wonder if the ceiling is as high as people want it to be.

Tier 4:
16. Chris Godwin (18)
17. DK Metcalf (14)
18. Stefon Diggs (23), doesn't have Collins explosiveness anymore, but is more of a 1B than a #2 it seems. For all the talk of where will the targets come from, he's on pace for 136, and that feels like it increases as he and Stroud get more familiar.
19. Drake London (15)
20. Brandon Aiyuk (20)

Tier 5:
21. Deebo Samuel (21)
22. Jaylen Waddle (19)
23. DJ Moore (24)
24. Puka Nacua (27)

Tier 6:
25. Cooper Kupp (29)
26. Zay Flowers (22)
27. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (30)
28. George Pickens (26)

Tier 7:
29. Jayden Reed (28)
30. Jameson Williams (34)
31. Amari Cooper (33)
32. Tank Dell (31)
33. Tee Higgins (38), looked like himself on Monday, and saw a higher snap share than expected, also got a few GL targets, though he didn't come down with them. Be curious to see how many (if any) teams copy Washington's strategy of gunner covering Chase inside the 5.

Tier 8:
34. Calvin Ridley (35)
35. Brian Thomas (36)
36. Xavier Worthy (25), it could still happen for him, especially as this offense could use another guy to step up (especially if Kelce doesn't get going) but I think I overcorrected when Hollywood went on IR.
37. Diontae Johnson (NR), good chance that's the best game Dalton has all season, but he doesn't need 300-3 to keep Johnson in the WR3 range. Thielen injury could help too.
38. Michael Pittman (32)
39. Rashid Shaheed (NR), goose egg hurt teams who started him, but I was encouraged by targets, especially deep shots. He didn't fade away (26% targets) he just didn't hit. Honestly feel I learned more about the Saints in loss than in their wins.
40. Rome Odunze (40)

Dropped off: Terry McLaurin (37), perhaps I'm going overboard to make a point, but this SCREAMS SELL-HIGH to me. You'll get a week like this every now and again, but this offense is gonna spread it around and score more TDs on the ground. With it having been a high-profile Monday Night game, I think the window is there right now. Keenan Allen (39), getting a little worried this heel injury lingers, given Allen's age and game. He and McLaurin were my final 2 omissions.
 
TE
Tier 1:
1. Trey McBride (4), about the most uninspiring year at the position as I can remember. I'm not sure I trust anyone. McBride leads the position in targets and is in what I think is a good offense, and also has a bad defense for chase scripts. He's also in concussion protocol.
2. Sam LaPorta (1)
3. Brock Bowers (7), 60% routes. That's the only reason he's not TE1. He needs to separate from Mayer more, and frankly, I don't really know why that hasn't already happened in Vegas. Leads the position in catches and tied in targets, despite being a part time player.
4. Travis Kelce (2)

Tier 2:
5. George Kittle (3)
6. Kyle Pitts (5)
7. Dalton Kincaid (6)

Tier 3:
8. Jake Ferguson (9)
9. Dallas Goedert (11)
10. Mark Andrews (8)
11. Evan Engram (10)

Tier 4:
12. Isaiah Likely (13)
13. David Njoku (14)
14. TJ Hockenson (15)
15. Taysom Hill (12), I'm still holding on to potential involvement as a #2 RB, and potential GL QB. I think the potential upside is higher than Dalton Schultz who was my last omission.
 
travdogg said:
3. Brock Bowers (7), 60% routes. That's the only reason he's not TE1. He needs to separate from Mayer more, and frankly, I don't really know why that hasn't already happened in Vegas. Leads the position in catches and tied in targets, despite being a part time player.
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Nice work with the rankings. This I'll say here and have said it before in the Raiders thread. Antonio Pierce isn't my guy as a HC, and I think stuff like this reflects on his inexperience and his seeming need to force things that either aren't there or stay away from things that are.

Been real confused by him in his brief tenure as interim and then as full-time HC. I think the Raiders made a big mistake with him unless they all know they're rebuilding; and if so, why have they held on to Davante Adams instead of shipping him to the Jets for a second plus eating his salary? Inquiring Jets fans want to know.
 
travdogg said:
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.
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I'm curious how you see things going for NE moving forward. Their OL has been dreadful every game so far and is getting worse. Stevenson was able to overcome that and put up decent numbers the first couple of weeks even though he was getting hit in the backfield nearly 2/3's of the time. The Jets showed that the Pats can't handle blitzers, and I suspect other teams will follow suit. Now that there is tape of the NE offense to review, they won't be an unknown. At some point, they will turn to Maye . . . but that won't fix the OL issues. Gibson has been more efficient so far, and there's been talk of giving him more touches. No matter who the QB is, I see a lot more games where NE gets down early and looks dysfunctional than weeks they had against the Bengals. The Ravens have scored 8 TD to 3 for NE . . . to go along with 1291 YFS vs. 739 for the Pats. That would make RS a really, really poor man's Henry.
 
Appreciate the effort here...definitely gives you something to munch on with regard to a different thought process. Couple of things...

1) That's a lot of faith in Trevor Lawrence right now.

2) Khalil Shakir looks notably absent...especially with JSN at #27

3) If Aaron Jones is getting 18 touches/game, which he has been thru 3 games on a new team, #17 seems low.

4) Tyreek/Waddle...honestly, these now qualify as high anxiety guys because the cost to acquire was so great and now with Tua's concussion recurrence, I can't think an owner feels good about having either of them. Couldn't put Cheetah in Tier 1.
 
Good effort. I'm not sure how you can have the Dolphins so high though. Unless they trade for a real QB, this team and the fantasy value of its players is in the tank. I say this begrudgingly as I own several.

Also, Nabers at 11 is probably fair, but in redraft I wouldn't trade him for anyone on that list not named Justin Jefferson or Ja'Marr Chase and maybe maybe maybe Amon Ra depending on how my team was constructed. I would insta-decline a 1 for 1 offer for anyone else without a second thought, and I feel the same in keeper or dynasty as well. Nabers looks the part, there's just something special about him you rarely see.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
Appreciate the effort here...definitely gives you something to munch on with regard to a different thought process. Couple of things...

1) That's a lot of faith in Trevor Lawrence right now.

2) Khalil Shakir looks notably absent...especially with JSN at #27

3) If Aaron Jones is getting 18 touches/game, which he has been thru 3 games on a new team, #17 seems low.

4) Tyreek/Waddle...honestly, these now qualify as high anxiety guys because the cost to acquire was so great and now with Tua's concussion recurrence, I can't think an owner feels good about having either of them. Couldn't put Cheetah in Tier 1.
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Agree with this and you can add Achane to #4. He still looks special out there but it's going to be tough sledding without the threat of a passing game coupled with a beat up, below average offensive line. Maybe they can put Tyreek under center and run the Wing T.
 
travdogg said:
QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (2)
2. Lamar Jackson (3)
3. Jalen Hurts (1), WR injuries drop him a bit, but #1 overall upside still exists. He's been a mixed bag, with some really bad decisions, but he's also never been more accurate.

Tier 2:
4. Patrick Mahomes (4)
5. CJ Stroud (5)
6. Jayden Daniels (6)
7. Kyler Murray (7)

Tier 3:
8. Dak Prescott (10), Dallas D looks like a mess, and running game is non-existent, so its bombs away for Dak.
9. Joe Burrow (9)
10. Anthony Richardson (8), wild experience watching this guy. Might be the least accurate passer in the NFL but throws some beauties deep. Slightly concerning that he's not running as much as expected, yardage has decreased every week.

Tier 4:
11. Jordan Love (13), looking like this could be the week he's back. Should unlock some more big plays for the Packers passing game, even if he's slightly limited as a runner.
12. Brock Purdy (12)
13. Baker Mayfield (NR), banged up defense, and terrible running game (save us Bucky!) is leading to some pass heavy scripts going forward I think. Evans feels due for an eruption game.
14. Trevor Lawrence (14)
15. Justin Fields (15)

Dropped off: Tua Tagovailoa (11), I am expecting him back after his 4 games on IR, but as a non-running QB, he's not worth keeping in the top-15.
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Q: Find the only QB on this list with 300 yd passing and 3 TD passes in the same week.

A: Josh Allen when you add next Sunday's stats to this Monday's stats. Even adding Mon/Sun together couldn't get Hurts or Purdy to that mark. Off course week week there will be a non-trick answer when the Red Rocket replaces someone on this list.
 
OnTheReg said:
Not sure how Gibbs can be ranked so much higher than Montgomery.
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I am giving Gibbs some benefit of the doubt, as I think he's still an ascendent player. I also am expecting Monty's receptions to be very unsustainable, as in 3 games he's already halfway to his 2023 total. He's on pace for 45 catches which would be the 2nd highest total of his career, and I think that's highly unlikely to continue.

I'm expecting many of these RB catches to become LaPorta catches going forward, especially as defenses adjust to having to worry about Jameson Williams.

I think Gibbs is a little more stable than Monty, less TD dependent, and I think he also has a higher ceiling.
 
LionOfGosforth said:
OnTheReg said:
Not sure how Gibbs can be ranked so much higher than Montgomery.
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Agree, think he's outscored him in 2 out of 3 weeks. Also think Metcalf dropping 3 spots after another 100+ yard game with a td is strange. Still, a lot of work goes into these and they're a fascinating read, whether I agree with them or not.
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In DK's case, its less about him and more about guys around him. AJ Brown has more upside and is closer to coming back (valuing injured guys is always a little more art than science, as you are weighing future value vs current zeros) and I felt Olave and Godwin earned upgrades.

Also, I do wonder if Seattle's defense is a lot better than given credit for. Like, I think they can be a wide-open pass heavy team, but I don't think that's necessarily the plan.
 
rockaction said:
travdogg said:
3. Brock Bowers (7), 60% routes. That's the only reason he's not TE1. He needs to separate from Mayer more, and frankly, I don't really know why that hasn't already happened in Vegas. Leads the position in catches and tied in targets, despite being a part time player.
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Nice work with the rankings. This I'll say here and have said it before in the Raiders thread. Antonio Pierce isn't my guy as a HC, and I think stuff like this reflects on his inexperience and his seeming need to force things that either aren't there or stay away from things that are.

Been real confused by him in his brief tenure as interim and then as full-time HC. I think the Raiders made a big mistake with him unless they all know they're rebuilding; and if so, why have they held on to Davante Adams instead of shipping him to the Jets for a second plus eating his salary? Inquiring Jets fans want to know.
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I think the Raiders are in a weird spot, where they have too many high-end talent players (Adams/Crosby/Miller/Wilkins) to truly be rebuilding, but they also have a lot of holes that keep them from contending. So, I think the plan is to hope they can pull out enough wins and show enough progress that they feel like they can get hot for a stretch and make some noise that way. Not saying its a great plan, just the assumption I have from their actions.

Having said that, none of that explains the part time role for Bowers, who in 3 weeks is already clearly the 2nd best player on the offense.

Adams on the Jets, or Cowboys, or maybe even the Commanders would be interesting, as teams with cap room and WR needs.
 
travdogg said:
LionOfGosforth said:
OnTheReg said:
Not sure how Gibbs can be ranked so much higher than Montgomery.
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Agree, think he's outscored him in 2 out of 3 weeks. Also think Metcalf dropping 3 spots after another 100+ yard game with a td is strange. Still, a lot of work goes into these and they're a fascinating read, whether I agree with them or not.
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In DK's case, its less about him and more about guys around him. AJ Brown has more upside and is closer to coming back (valuing injured guys is always a little more art than science, as you are weighing future value vs current zeros) and I felt Olave and Godwin earned upgrades.

Also, I do wonder if Seattle's defense is a lot better than given credit for. Like, I think they can be a wide-open pass heavy team, but I don't think that's necessarily the plan.
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As a Metcalf truther, I can buy what your selling here and have no problem with the ranking. On a side note, in regards to the Seattle defense, they have played the Broncos, Pats and Dolphins with Skylar. I could put together a team of friends that could at least hold those offenses to 20 pts. Ha ha. Gonna be interesting what they do against Detroit this week.
 
Thanks again. Look forward to this every week.

Nitpick of the week: Mahomes at #4 is hard to justify. From week 8 of last year to now, he is averaging just 15.4 fantasy points per game. Those are not even close to fantasy QB1 numbers. That is not even close to top 5 performance. Add to that the fact that he looks as bad as he ever has in his career IMO and I just don't see the justification for the ranking. This Chiefs team is exactly what they were last year. A dink and dunk team that doesn't score big points and relies on its defence to win games most nights. They are not explosive.

Pat Mahomes is currently a matchup streamer based on his last 12 regular season starts.
 
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Anarchy99 said:
travdogg said:
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.
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I'm curious how you see things going for NE moving forward. Their OL has been dreadful every game so far and is getting worse. Stevenson was able to overcome that and put up decent numbers the first couple of weeks even though he was getting hit in the backfield nearly 2/3's of the time. The Jets showed that the Pats can't handle blitzers, and I suspect other teams will follow suit. Now that there is tape of the NE offense to review, they won't be an unknown. At some point, they will turn to Maye . . . but that won't fix the OL issues. Gibson has been more efficient so far, and there's been talk of giving him more touches. No matter who the QB is, I see a lot more games where NE gets down early and looks dysfunctional than weeks they had against the Bengals. The Ravens have scored 8 TD to 3 for NE . . . to go along with 1291 YFS vs. 739 for the Pats. That would make RS a really, really poor man's Henry.
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I think the Jets were an especially bad matchup, with Quinnen Williams inside, and CBs 100% trustable 1-1 with any Pats WR. I think they are uniquely set up to handle NE better than most. I agree the OL has been a problem, but that has been the case for several teams. In fact, I was very much thinking that as much as people are talking about 2 high shells killing passing numbers, I think its actually been more poor OL play than anything else. Besides Indy, Philly, and Detroit, I think most teams are pretty underwhelmed with their OL play, and Philly and Detroit just suffered some injuries to key guys (Lane Johnson, Frank Ragnow)

I do think Stevenson will get more involved as a checkdown option. 5 catches through 3 games is somewhat wild considering his pass catching prowess and the aforementioned OL issues. The poor man's Henry (and you are right that's being generous, Henry is still awesome) was more about how certain game scripts can take him put of the game. Until Stevenson's receiving work gets going, he's gonna have that problem as much as anyone.

Has Gibson been more efficient? I feel like he had that one 40+ yard run, and other than that done nothing.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
Appreciate the effort here...definitely gives you something to munch on with regard to a different thought process. Couple of things...

1) That's a lot of faith in Trevor Lawrence right now.

2) Khalil Shakir looks notably absent...especially with JSN at #27

3) If Aaron Jones is getting 18 touches/game, which he has been thru 3 games on a new team, #17 seems low.

4) Tyreek/Waddle...honestly, these now qualify as high anxiety guys because the cost to acquire was so great and now with Tua's concussion recurrence, I can't think an owner feels good about having either of them. Couldn't put Cheetah in Tier 1.
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Its funny. NFL wise, I think I'm probably the biggest Lawrence hater on this board. I'm repeatedly said, with 100% seriousness, that I don't think he's been a better QB than 2021 draft class mate Justin Fields. However, I think the Jags defense sucks, I'm not sure if they do anything well, other than Josh Allen, so I do think Lawrence should have a lot of garbage time numbers. He failed at that last night, but Buffalo's defense might be a top-3 unit. I also think the idea going around of Lawrence getting benched is ludicrous. For Mac Jones? Come on.

I think Shakir is not a bad sell high. I'm just not a fan, or a believer. I'd rather bet on Keon Coleman if I were to be owning a Bills WR. I think this offense is extremely spread out, so its gonna be tough for any of them to crack the top-40.

Totally agree on Jones, if he keeps it. Maybe its years of expecting more in GB, but would you be surprised if Ty Chandler saw half the work next week? I'm not saying he will, but I can't shake that feeling when it comes to trusting Jones workload.

I'm torn on Miami's offense. I do think Tua will absolutely be back, I was honestly a little surprised he went on IR. In the meantime I'm expecting a lot better than last week. Skylar Thompson had Mr. Bean level awareness out there, just bumbling around into sacks and hits without a care in the world. Huntley is nothing special, but he's at least competent, and he kept Mark Andrews and Hollywood Brown afloat once upon a time in Baltimore. Even Tim Boyle sorta kept Garrett Wilson startable last year, and I'd argue none of those guys are even remotely on Hill's level, debatable if they are on Waddle's. Having said that, I understand feeling uneasy about the Dolphins for now.
 
Jacob's Ladder said:
Good effort. I'm not sure how you can have the Dolphins so high though. Unless they trade for a real QB, this team and the fantasy value of its players is in the tank. I say this begrudgingly as I own several.

Also, Nabers at 11 is probably fair, but in redraft I wouldn't trade him for anyone on that list not named Justin Jefferson or Ja'Marr Chase and maybe maybe maybe Amon Ra depending on how my team was constructed. I would insta-decline a 1 for 1 offer for anyone else without a second thought, and I feel the same in keeper or dynasty as well. Nabers looks the part, there's just something special about him you rarely see.
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I think there will be an adjustment with Nabers. No idea what the hell the Browns were doing last week, as they were very much treating Nabers like he was no different than Slayton. Nothing annoys me more than when DCs just run their defense, with no regard to the team they are facing. They commit bracket coverage to Nabers, they win that game.

Nabers is very much a clone of Chase, I've thought that for some time. He'd really take off if he had a Burrow. Short of that, I think he's a low-end WR1 at the moment. In dynasty, he'd be a bit higher for me, but I think top-3 is pushing it with a very uncertain QB situation.
 
travdogg said:
I think he's looked good (elite by Jets standards) but this is still a run first, win with defense team.
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I think this is correct.

I also think Nabers is too low and I echo the sentiment of the commenter. I could offer Chase straight up for him in dynasty or redraft and I bet it would get rejected.
 
travdogg said:
Jacob's Ladder said:
Good effort. I'm not sure how you can have the Dolphins so high though. Unless they trade for a real QB, this team and the fantasy value of its players is in the tank. I say this begrudgingly as I own several.

Also, Nabers at 11 is probably fair, but in redraft I wouldn't trade him for anyone on that list not named Justin Jefferson or Ja'Marr Chase and maybe maybe maybe Amon Ra depending on how my team was constructed. I would insta-decline a 1 for 1 offer for anyone else without a second thought, and I feel the same in keeper or dynasty as well. Nabers looks the part, there's just something special about him you rarely see.
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I think there will be an adjustment with Nabers. No idea what the hell the Browns were doing last week, as they were very much treating Nabers like he was no different than Slayton. Nothing annoys me more than when DCs just run their defense, with no regard to the team they are facing. They commit bracket coverage to Nabers, they win that game.

Nabers is very much a clone of Chase, I've thought that for some time. He'd really take off if he had a Burrow. Short of that, I think he's a low-end WR1 at the moment. In dynasty, he'd be a bit higher for me, but I think top-3 is pushing it with a very uncertain QB situation.
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QB situation is awful, but he's their only weapon and they seem committed to getting him the ball come hell or high water. Jones is a bottom QB, but he's also not as bad as people say. He can do some things well.

I do see a lot of people comparing Nabers to Chase, but to be honest Nabers looks to have a much more developed route tree and a little more quickness at this stage in the game, while Chase is a deep ball monster and a beast with the ball in his hands. At times, Chase looks like Deebo with the ball in his hands, guys just can't get him to the ground. They are both great, but I don't see them all that similar. I'd compare Nabers to Jefferson before I compared him to Chase.
 
zoonation said:
Thanks again. Look forward to this every week.

Nitpick of the week: Mahomes at #4 is hard to justify. From week 8 of last year to now, he is averaging just 15.4 fantasy points per game. Those are not even close to fantasy QB1 numbers. That is not even close to top 5 performance. Add to that the fact that he looks as bad as he ever has in his career IMO and I just don't see the justification for the ranking. This Chiefs team is exactly what they were last year. A dink and dunk team that doesn't score big points and relies on its defence to win games most nights. They are not explosive.

Pat Mahomes is currently a matchup streamer based on his last 12 regular season starts.
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He's QB14 right now, and I think this is very much his floor. I will concede confidence in an elite season is waning, but I have a hard time ranking too many guys ahead of him. He's outscoring Stroud and Richardson, he's 1 PPG behind Burrow, Kyler is just 1 great game. I feel its premature to put Daniels ahead of him.

The dropoff from tier 1 to tier 2 at QB is pretty vast. But I just feel more comfortable betting on Mahomes than those other guys. I will agree he's been extremely reckless with the football this year. He needs to get back to throwing to Kelce as much as Kelce owners need it.
 
zoonation said:
Thanks again. Look forward to this every week.

Nitpick of the week: Mahomes at #4 is hard to justify. From week 8 of last year to now, he is averaging just 15.4 fantasy points per game. Those are not even close to fantasy QB1 numbers. That is not even close to top 5 performance. Add to that the fact that he looks as bad as he ever has in his career IMO and I just don't see the justification for the ranking. This Chiefs team is exactly what they were last year. A dink and dunk team that doesn't score big points and relies on its defence to win games most nights. They are not explosive.

Pat Mahomes is currently a matchup streamer based on his last 12 regular season starts.
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I thinking you're under weighting the favorable calls the Chefs get. Mahomes is a BOGO, buy him, get the head ref for free.
 
ex-ghost said:
I know he isn't sexy, but will Geno crack the list next week with a solid Detroit game?
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Probably not, unless Seattle changes what they do in the redzone. They are a run heavy team down there (regardless of RB, and Walker may be back this week) and that makes it hard to feel great about Geno. He has 3 passing TDs through 3 games, and I think Seattle likes it that way. I think he does enough to keep the WRs startable, but barring him randomly having 30 yard TD runs where the defense parts like the Red Sea, I think he's more of a fantasy backup. I had him at the QB20 cutdown this week.
 
@travdogg Any faith in Richardson improving as the season goes on? I liked his week 1 stats in the rushing facet of the game but since then, his passing stats have been awful and the rushing has also disappeared. Not got a lot of hope at this point and already scrambling to replace him.
 
travdogg said:
zoonation said:
Thanks again. Look forward to this every week.

Nitpick of the week: Mahomes at #4 is hard to justify. From week 8 of last year to now, he is averaging just 15.4 fantasy points per game. Those are not even close to fantasy QB1 numbers. That is not even close to top 5 performance. Add to that the fact that he looks as bad as he ever has in his career IMO and I just don't see the justification for the ranking. This Chiefs team is exactly what they were last year. A dink and dunk team that doesn't score big points and relies on its defence to win games most nights. They are not explosive.

Pat Mahomes is currently a matchup streamer based on his last 12 regular season starts.
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He's QB14 right now, and I think this is very much his floor. I will concede confidence in an elite season is waning, but I have a hard time ranking too many guys ahead of him. He's outscoring Stroud and Richardson, he's 1 PPG behind Burrow, Kyler is just 1 great game. I feel its premature to put Daniels ahead of him.

The dropoff from tier 1 to tier 2 at QB is pretty vast. But I just feel more comfortable betting on Mahomes than those other guys. I will agree he's been extremely reckless with the football this year. He needs to get back to throwing to Kelce as much as Kelce owners need it.
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I get the hesitation, but we've got almost a year of data that tells us he stinks for fantasy right now.
 
LionOfGosforth said:
@travdogg Any faith in Richardson improving as the season goes on? I liked his week 1 stats in the rushing facet of the game but since then, his passing stats have been awful and the rushing has also disappeared. Not got a lot of hope at this point and already scrambling to replace him.
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I mean, I think its certainly possible he improves. He has what now, 7 career starts? That said, he's looked rough in really all but 2 of them, ironically both against Houston.

The rushing hasn't been what I (or indeed many others) were expecting, and the passing is...woof. Most INT's, and worst completion % in the league, despite being in the bottom 5 in pass attempts (of guys that started all 3 weeks) about the only positive I can say, is that he makes some impressive downfield throws, but that's a double edged sword, as he also thinks he can make throws he can't, which just leads to more turnovers.

I think he's a hold, but not an autostart.
 
travdogg said:
QB
Tier 2:
4. Patrick Mahomes (4)
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Man. I hope he turns it around. His play had been down (for Mahomes) and he has been more comfortable throwing balls away and relying on his defense. I thought with Pacheco getting hurt, we would see him put up some better numbers, but he hasn't. 39 passes last week and barely 200 yards?!?
 
chad in Indy said:
travdogg said:
QB
Tier 2:
4. Patrick Mahomes (4)
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Man. I hope he turns it around. His play had been down (for Mahomes) and he has been more comfortable throwing balls away and relying on his defense. I thought with Pacheco getting hurt, we would see him put up some better numbers, but he hasn't. 39 passes last week and barely 200 yards?!?
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And brutal picks every week. If you looked at his performance in a vacuum this year he would be a backup with upside qb.
 
travdogg said:
RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (1)
2. Jonathan Taylor (6), isn't losing TDs to Richardson like many expected, and has looked like the Taylor of old in the open field.
3. Breece Hall (3)
4. De'Von Achane (2)
5. Bijan Robinson (4)

Tier 2:
6. Alvin Kamara (9), Saints offense came crashing back to earth (much like I thought it would) but Kamara's workload didn't.
7. Derrick Henry (11), that game script was more in line with what I was expecting for the Ravens this season. Henry will be boom/bust but is still one of the few week winners around. Still an elite runner.
8. James Cook (5), looks like an elite player out there, and just missed a long TD, only knock is offense goes through Allen first.
9. Kyren Williams (8)
10. Jahmyr Gibbs (7), we'll see how the running game is affected without Ragnow. I do feel like they've been forcing the issue a bit with Gibbs as a receiver, and I'm not sure that stays as high as its been, given its lack of success, same thing happened early last season, and they adjusted.

Tier 3:
11. Joe Mixon (10)
12. Christian McCaffrey (16), reading through the CMC thread, I'm on the side of this Germany trip being a positive for CMC. He's clearly trying to accelerate his return in my eyes.
13. James Conner (12)
14. Josh Jacobs (14)

Tier 4:
15. Kenneth Walker (13)
16. JK Dobbins (17)
17. Aaron Jones (20), of 2 minds with Jones. On the one hand, I've always thought he was an elite talent, with no real holes in his game, on the other, he's always found a way to never truly get a bellcow workload. I could see him a tier higher, but I could also see Chandler getting more involved at any point.
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.

Tier 5:
19. David Montgomery (18)
20. Travis Etienne (19)
21. Jordan Mason (21)
22. Zack Moss (23)
23. Tony Pollard (22)

Tier 6:
24. Devin Singletary (27), its not pretty, but he's a startable player every week, as he rarely leaves the field, and is involved in the passing game.
25. Zach Charbonnet (NR), top-10 RB in any game Walker misses, makes him arguably the best handcuff this side of Mason. Of course, Walker should be back this week or next. RB is thin enough, that he's worth prioritizing just based on contingent upside.
26. Brian Robinson (25)
27. Najee Harris (28)
28. Rachaad White (24), could be in danger of losing lead rushing role, and being more of the 3rd down RB he always has looked like.
29. Isiah Pacheco (26), maybe this is silly, as timelines are all over the place from a week 9 return to out for the season. RB is pretty thin, so unless I was in a really small league, I'd hold onto him. I highly doubt anyone does much to take his job in the meantime.
30. Jerome Ford (NR), I'm willing to bet week 2 was the fluke week usage wise.

Dropped off: Javonte Williams (29), bad running team, and now Tyler Badie is part of the equation. Jaylen Warren (30), seemingly banged up again, and Najee seems to have a stranglehold on the top job, despite inefficiency. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
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Thanks again for these, love them so much.

How did Kyren go down in your ranks after a THREE TD GAME?
 
Deamon said:
travdogg said:
RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (1)
2. Jonathan Taylor (6), isn't losing TDs to Richardson like many expected, and has looked like the Taylor of old in the open field.
3. Breece Hall (3)
4. De'Von Achane (2)
5. Bijan Robinson (4)

Tier 2:
6. Alvin Kamara (9), Saints offense came crashing back to earth (much like I thought it would) but Kamara's workload didn't.
7. Derrick Henry (11), that game script was more in line with what I was expecting for the Ravens this season. Henry will be boom/bust but is still one of the few week winners around. Still an elite runner.
8. James Cook (5), looks like an elite player out there, and just missed a long TD, only knock is offense goes through Allen first.
9. Kyren Williams (8)
10. Jahmyr Gibbs (7), we'll see how the running game is affected without Ragnow. I do feel like they've been forcing the issue a bit with Gibbs as a receiver, and I'm not sure that stays as high as its been, given its lack of success, same thing happened early last season, and they adjusted.

Tier 3:
11. Joe Mixon (10)
12. Christian McCaffrey (16), reading through the CMC thread, I'm on the side of this Germany trip being a positive for CMC. He's clearly trying to accelerate his return in my eyes.
13. James Conner (12)
14. Josh Jacobs (14)

Tier 4:
15. Kenneth Walker (13)
16. JK Dobbins (17)
17. Aaron Jones (20), of 2 minds with Jones. On the one hand, I've always thought he was an elite talent, with no real holes in his game, on the other, he's always found a way to never truly get a bellcow workload. I could see him a tier higher, but I could also see Chandler getting more involved at any point.
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.

Tier 5:
19. David Montgomery (18)
20. Travis Etienne (19)
21. Jordan Mason (21)
22. Zack Moss (23)
23. Tony Pollard (22)

Tier 6:
24. Devin Singletary (27), its not pretty, but he's a startable player every week, as he rarely leaves the field, and is involved in the passing game.
25. Zach Charbonnet (NR), top-10 RB in any game Walker misses, makes him arguably the best handcuff this side of Mason. Of course, Walker should be back this week or next. RB is thin enough, that he's worth prioritizing just based on contingent upside.
26. Brian Robinson (25)
27. Najee Harris (28)
28. Rachaad White (24), could be in danger of losing lead rushing role, and being more of the 3rd down RB he always has looked like.
29. Isiah Pacheco (26), maybe this is silly, as timelines are all over the place from a week 9 return to out for the season. RB is pretty thin, so unless I was in a really small league, I'd hold onto him. I highly doubt anyone does much to take his job in the meantime.
30. Jerome Ford (NR), I'm willing to bet week 2 was the fluke week usage wise.

Dropped off: Javonte Williams (29), bad running team, and now Tyler Badie is part of the equation. Jaylen Warren (30), seemingly banged up again, and Najee seems to have a stranglehold on the top job, despite inefficiency. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
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Thanks again for these, love them so much.

How did Kyren go down in your ranks after a THREE TD GAME?
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It's math. Zero tds next two games so he averages 1 TD a game in that three game stretch. That's a TD a game. That's really good.
 
Deamon said:
travdogg said:
RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (1)
2. Jonathan Taylor (6), isn't losing TDs to Richardson like many expected, and has looked like the Taylor of old in the open field.
3. Breece Hall (3)
4. De'Von Achane (2)
5. Bijan Robinson (4)

Tier 2:
6. Alvin Kamara (9), Saints offense came crashing back to earth (much like I thought it would) but Kamara's workload didn't.
7. Derrick Henry (11), that game script was more in line with what I was expecting for the Ravens this season. Henry will be boom/bust but is still one of the few week winners around. Still an elite runner.
8. James Cook (5), looks like an elite player out there, and just missed a long TD, only knock is offense goes through Allen first.
9. Kyren Williams (8)
10. Jahmyr Gibbs (7), we'll see how the running game is affected without Ragnow. I do feel like they've been forcing the issue a bit with Gibbs as a receiver, and I'm not sure that stays as high as its been, given its lack of success, same thing happened early last season, and they adjusted.

Tier 3:
11. Joe Mixon (10)
12. Christian McCaffrey (16), reading through the CMC thread, I'm on the side of this Germany trip being a positive for CMC. He's clearly trying to accelerate his return in my eyes.
13. James Conner (12)
14. Josh Jacobs (14)

Tier 4:
15. Kenneth Walker (13)
16. JK Dobbins (17)
17. Aaron Jones (20), of 2 minds with Jones. On the one hand, I've always thought he was an elite talent, with no real holes in his game, on the other, he's always found a way to never truly get a bellcow workload. I could see him a tier higher, but I could also see Chandler getting more involved at any point.
18. Rhamondre Stevenson (15), gonna be prone to games where he's held down by his offensive surroundings and game script. Like a poor man's Henry in a way.

Tier 5:
19. David Montgomery (18)
20. Travis Etienne (19)
21. Jordan Mason (21)
22. Zack Moss (23)
23. Tony Pollard (22)

Tier 6:
24. Devin Singletary (27), its not pretty, but he's a startable player every week, as he rarely leaves the field, and is involved in the passing game.
25. Zach Charbonnet (NR), top-10 RB in any game Walker misses, makes him arguably the best handcuff this side of Mason. Of course, Walker should be back this week or next. RB is thin enough, that he's worth prioritizing just based on contingent upside.
26. Brian Robinson (25)
27. Najee Harris (28)
28. Rachaad White (24), could be in danger of losing lead rushing role, and being more of the 3rd down RB he always has looked like.
29. Isiah Pacheco (26), maybe this is silly, as timelines are all over the place from a week 9 return to out for the season. RB is pretty thin, so unless I was in a really small league, I'd hold onto him. I highly doubt anyone does much to take his job in the meantime.
30. Jerome Ford (NR), I'm willing to bet week 2 was the fluke week usage wise.

Dropped off: Javonte Williams (29), bad running team, and now Tyler Badie is part of the equation. Jaylen Warren (30), seemingly banged up again, and Najee seems to have a stranglehold on the top job, despite inefficiency. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
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Thanks again for these, love them so much.

How did Kyren go down in your ranks after a THREE TD GAME?
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As is often the case, its more about moving Kamara and Henry up, then moving Kyren down. Although I don't think that 3 TD game is a sign of anything to come. Other than maybe we have been greatly overrating the 49ers defense. I think Henry's 2 TD game is much more sustainable.

I'd stop short of calling Kyren a sell high, but this is almost certainly the best game he's gonna have.
 
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