Travis Henry -Partially Torn PCL (1 Viewer)

[SigEp316]

Finally, some good news for Henry owners, he could be a nice play if he wins his suspension seems like more and more people seem to think he will.

how do you figure he could be a nice play?He wasn't running well when he was healthy and has now missed a couple of weeks with a partially torn PCL....This isn't really good news for Henry owners as it is bad news for Young owners. If Henry does win his appeal, the DEN RB situation will be more of a mess than it is now.

 

[Interseptopus]

The PCL is second worst only to the ACL in the knee. It has a poor blood supply, thus causing a very slow recovery time. I would be surprised to see Henry playing next week. 2 weeks is hardly enough time to rest a pulled hamstring, much less a torn PCL. It typically takes 4 weeks to become fully recovered, though that does depend on the tear.

His suspension I can't speak much about because my knowledge stops at physical therapy... I think the delay in decision can be thought to be good... kind of like a jury- the longer a jury deliberates the more likely a not-guilty verdict will come. However, I think he will win his protest of a year long suspension. He may be suspended for the 2007 season, but he will not sit at all in 2008, or maybe he will get off scott free... who knows.

The only thing that's for certain is that Young has established himself as a capable back in that system, and given Andre Hall's play last week... if he can put in a good week this week, that will create a 3-headed monster no fantasy owner will want any part of... so, for my and every other Henry/Young owner out there, I hope Henry is suspended and Young takes the featured roll... I know I need him down the stretch

 

[Interseptopus]

Finally, some good news for Henry owners, he could be a nice play if he wins his suspension seems like more and more people seem to think he will.

how do you figure he could be a nice play?He wasn't running well when he was healthy and has now missed a couple of weeks with a partially torn PCL....This isn't really good news for Henry owners as it is bad news for Young owners. If Henry does win his appeal, the DEN RB situation will be more of a mess than it is now.

119 carries (about 20 per game) for 549 yards (4.6 average) wasn't running well? He was leading the league in rushing yards before he got hurt. Had he continued his average the entire season he would be at 200 carries for 920 yards... third in the league to AP and Willie Parker.... he's good

 

[Bayhawks]

Finally, some good news for Henry owners, he could be a nice play if he wins his suspension seems like more and more people seem to think he will.

how do you figure he could be a nice play?He wasn't running well when he was healthy and has now missed a couple of weeks with a partially torn PCL....

How do you figure he wasn't running well when healthy? He was healthy for the first 5 games of the season, before he hurt his ribs in game 7, and he hasn't been healthy since then. In those first 5 games, he had: 102 carries

501 yards rushing

a 4.91 ypc

1 rushing TD

5 catches

52 yards receiving

which was good enough for RB13, with 61 points (according to FBG scoring). You said he wasn't running well when he was healthy-I feel that these stats prove that statement untrue. Sure, he was probably drafted before RB13, but if he wins his appeal, and comes back in week 13, his owners will arguably be getting a strong RB2, borderline RB1.

1) It's reasonable to assume if he is deemed OK to play, he will be sufficiently healthy. He originally hurt his ribs week 7. He has had very little game or practice contact in that time, so I think it is reasonable to assume that the ribs have healed. Since he hurt his knee, he missed week 10, 11, and now 12. Several years ago, Torry Holt partially tore his PCL, and after sitting out 3 weeks (two weeks and a bye week), he came back to play the final 8 games, and put up very good numbers.

2) Contrary to popular opinion, Shanahan would rather play 1 RB than employ a RBBC. If Henry is healthy, he will get the bulk of the carries. Furthermore, Shanahan has stuck his neck out by supporting Henry during the appeal, which shows that (at the very least) he has faith in him. When you combine that support with the fact that Shanahan signed Henry to a big contract in the off-season, there is no reason to suspect Henry will now be in a RBBC. (It could happen, but past history makes it seem unlikely)

 

[SigEp316]

Finally, some good news for Henry owners, he could be a nice play if he wins his suspension seems like more and more people seem to think he will.

how do you figure he could be a nice play?He wasn't running well when he was healthy and has now missed a couple of weeks with a partially torn PCL....

How do you figure he wasn't running well when healthy? He was healthy for the first 5 games of the season, before he hurt his ribs in game 7, and he hasn't been healthy since then. In those first 5 games, he had: 102 carries

501 yards rushing

a 4.91 ypc

1 rushing TD

5 catches

52 yards receiving

which was good enough for RB13, with 61 points (according to FBG scoring). You said he wasn't running well when he was healthy-I feel that these stats prove that statement untrue. Sure, he was probably drafted before RB13, but if he wins his appeal, and comes back in week 13, his owners will arguably be getting a strong RB2, borderline RB1.

1) It's reasonable to assume if he is deemed OK to play, he will be sufficiently healthy. He originally hurt his ribs week 7. He has had very little game or practice contact in that time, so I think it is reasonable to assume that the ribs have healed. Since he hurt his knee, he missed week 10, 11, and now 12. Several years ago, Torry Holt partially tore his PCL, and after sitting out 3 weeks (two weeks and a bye week), he came back to play the final 8 games, and put up very good numbers.

2) Contrary to popular opinion, Shanahan would rather play 1 RB than employ a RBBC. If Henry is healthy, he will get the bulk of the carries. Furthermore, Shanahan has stuck his neck out by supporting Henry during the appeal, which shows that (at the very least) he has faith in him. When you combine that support with the fact that Shanahan signed Henry to a big contract in the off-season, there is no reason to suspect Henry will now be in a RBBC. (It could happen, but past history makes it seem unlikely)

his scoring in my league:Wk 1 - 22

Wk 2 - 17

Wk 3 - 9

Wk 4 - 18

Wk 5 - 6

Wk 6 -

Wk 7 - 5

Wk 8 - 0

Wk 9 - 4

Willie Parker's scoring:

Wk 1 - 13

Wk 2 - 23

Wk 3 - 18

Wk 4 - 5

Wk 5 - 15

Wk 6 -

Wk 7 - 12

Wk 8 - 23

Wk 9 - 5

What have you done for me lately? He started out solid and as injuries have mounted, he's petered out. I don't think there's anyway he's a productive back going forward.

I agree that Shanny likes to feed one back....I don't think Henry will be healthy for the rest of the year, if he's even allowed to play. I would consider him to be somewhat of a fantasy bust this year and don't think he'll be a decent fantasy play going forward. Feel free to bump this in the future.

 

[Da Guru]

Henry still has more kids than his total TDs for the last three years.

 

[Interseptopus]

What have you done for me lately? He started out solid and as injuries have mounted, he's petered out. I don't think there's anyway he's a productive back going forward.

You specifically stated that he wasn't productive before he was injured. Just pointing out that before the injury he was a very productive back

 

[Bayhawks]

his scoring in my league:

Wk 1 - 22

Wk 2 - 17

Wk 3 - 9

Wk 4 - 18

Wk 5 - 6

Wk 6 -

Wk 7 - 5

Wk 8 - 0

Wk 9 - 4

Willie Parker's scoring:

Wk 1 - 13

Wk 2 - 23

Wk 3 - 18

Wk 4 - 5

Wk 5 - 15

Wk 6 -

Wk 7 - 12

Wk 8 - 23

Wk 9 - 5

What have you done for me lately? He started out solid and as injuries have mounted, he's petered out. I don't think there's anyway he's a productive back going forward.

I agree that Shanny likes to feed one back....I don't think Henry will be healthy for the rest of the year, if he's even allowed to play. I would consider him to be somewhat of a fantasy bust this year and don't think he'll be a decent fantasy play going forward. Feel free to bump this in the future.

I'm not entirely sure why you decided to post Willie Parker's numbers? If you look at their points through week 5 (which is when Henry first injured his ribs), the point totals are virtually identical (72 points-Henry, 74-Parker). Willie Parker is right now (accordng to FBG scoring) RB #14, so your comparison serves mainly to prove a point I made: Henry, if he isn't suspended and returns healthy, can be reasonably expected to produce like a high-end RB2/low-end RB1. Now, if you think Henry is going to be suspended, or won't be healthy in week 13 or 14, that's understandable. However, your original post that I quoted said:

how do you figure he could be a nice play?

He wasn't running well when he was healthy

The fact is, he WAS playing well when he was healthy, that's why it is reasonable for one to figure he would be a nice play, IF HE RETURNS TO HEALTH. As for you posting:

he started out solid, and as injuries have mounted, he's petered out

who couldn't you say that about?Adrian Peterson was playing really solid, but when an injury to his knee occured, he petered out.

Ronnie Brown was playing solid, but when he tore up his knee, he petered out.

Dwight Freeney was helping the Colts D play solid, but when he got injured, the D petered out.

Cadillac Williams was having a solid year, but when he got injured, he petered out.

Obviously, if a player is rendered unable to play because of an injury, his stats will "peter" out. However, bruised ribs should heal in a month, and the 3 weeks that Henry has had to rest his knee could prove sufficient to allow him to play, so your assumption that there's no way he will be a productive back going forward is not based on facts or reason, but on speculation.

 

[NHT-SPOILER]

Not quite sure what to think of this, but my opinion is he will suspended starting Tuesday.

Speaking of fantasy football public enemy #1, Shanahan brought former Virginia RB Wali Lundy in for a look, perhaps in anticipation of Travis Henry’s suspension. Wali Lundy had mild success last season (680 total yards and 4 TDs) in limited action in the Houston Texan zone blocking scheme which was obviously modeled after the one Kubiak coached while in Denver. I’m a big fan of the way Lundy runs and I feel he deserves another shot in the NFL and I am really surprised he has not been given one. Keep an eye on what happens with “Wali World”. Should he land in Denver, he’ll always be only a Shanahan whim away from contributing to your fantasy team.

 

[SigEp316]

how do you figure he could be a nice play?

He wasn't running well when he was healthy

The fact is, he WAS playing well when he was healthy, that's why it is reasonable for one to figure he would be a nice play, IF HE RETURNS TO HEALTH.

My point is that you can't say that he's a nice play going forward.He's being outperformed by an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FA...and he has a partial tear in his ACL.

 

[bentley]

how do you figure he could be a nice play?

He wasn't running well when he was healthy

The fact is, he WAS playing well when he was healthy, that's why it is reasonable for one to figure he would be a nice play, IF HE RETURNS TO HEALTH.

My point is that you can't say that he's a nice play going forward.He's being outperformed by an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FA...and he has a partial tear in his ACL.

I think it's cool how you ignore the second part of your own statement.

 

[Bayhawks]

1) My point is that you can't say that he's a nice play going forward.

2) He's being outperformed by an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FA...3) and he has a partial tear in his ACL.

1) Yes you can. IF you feel he won't be suspended, and IF you feel he will return healthy in week 13 or 14, then you can reasonably expect borderline RB1/RB2 numbers. I've outlined why this expectation is reasonable in previous posts.2) No, he isn't. In 7 games played, Henry has 71 fantasy points. In 10 games played, Young has 63 points. That's an average of 10.1 points/game for Henry, and 6.3 points/game for Young. However, to be fair, in 5 of Young's games, he wasn't the feature back, and got less than 5 carries. If you eliminate those games where he got less than 5 carries (games 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7), you eliminate 12.5 fantasy points. That leaves Young with 50.5 points in 5 games or 10.1 points/game. Young isn't outperforming Henry, he is just filling in, doing exactly what Henry was doing. True, expectations were higher for Henry than Young, but that doesn't change the facts.

3) He doesn't have a tear in his ACL, which would require surgery and at least a year of rehab. He has a partial tear of his PCL, which (as I posted before) a player can return from in 3 weeks or so.

 

[Smizzy]

Henry still has more kids than his total TDs for the last three years.

LMAO!