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shader
Footballguy
From what people are saying that watched the game, he wasn't being hit by one man, but by a swarm of men. I'm going to have to re-watch this game.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Underreacting is just as much a problem for sharks as overreacting is for guppies. It's a fine line.
Richardson is definitely a buy in dynasty, but I doubt anyone in a dynasty is going to be selling at a discount after one game. They know what they have in Richardson for the long-term.
In a redraft, things are a bit more muddy. His value is lower after that game and, while Philly is a top defense, he's got more tough rushing matchups coming up so it may be hard to find a good game to sell him after.
The idea that there was rust or missing the preseason hurt him is silly to me. Richardson looked fine, if the preseason were going to affect a RB it would be with his lack of pass blocking limiting his time on the field, which clearly wasn't an issue. The missed preseason has no bearing because it's the line/QB/WRs that were horrible, not Richardson, and they all played in the preseason. The real takeaway from this game is that the offensive line is a distant shamble of what it was two years ago when Peyton Hillis ran well.
We can make excuses about Richardson not having room to run all day long, but that's likely to be a common theme this year. He's obviously not going to average 2.1ypc this year but I think it's pretty unlikely that he's going to have a season like Hillis did two years ago behind this line. If there's someone still willing to pay full value in a redraft league, I'd sell. Otherwise he's a hold because not many other guys are going to get as many touches as him this year and that will lead to some points, even if it comes at low efficiency rates.
Richardson is definitely a buy in dynasty, but I doubt anyone in a dynasty is going to be selling at a discount after one game. They know what they have in Richardson for the long-term.
In a redraft, things are a bit more muddy. His value is lower after that game and, while Philly is a top defense, he's got more tough rushing matchups coming up so it may be hard to find a good game to sell him after.
The idea that there was rust or missing the preseason hurt him is silly to me. Richardson looked fine, if the preseason were going to affect a RB it would be with his lack of pass blocking limiting his time on the field, which clearly wasn't an issue. The missed preseason has no bearing because it's the line/QB/WRs that were horrible, not Richardson, and they all played in the preseason. The real takeaway from this game is that the offensive line is a distant shamble of what it was two years ago when Peyton Hillis ran well.
We can make excuses about Richardson not having room to run all day long, but that's likely to be a common theme this year. He's obviously not going to average 2.1ypc this year but I think it's pretty unlikely that he's going to have a season like Hillis did two years ago behind this line. If there's someone still willing to pay full value in a redraft league, I'd sell. Otherwise he's a hold because not many other guys are going to get as many touches as him this year and that will lead to some points, even if it comes at low efficiency rates.
jurb26
Footballguy
How much of this game did you watch? The realy takeaway was that Richardson got a lot of touches and that Philly had 8 or 9 in the box all game long. The oline wasn't the problem from what I saw. The QB and WRs were. There was a total lack of recpect for the Clev passing game. Until they give teams a reason to respect them this will likely be the case, too.
Shutout
Footballguy
I get what you mean, but isn't that the WHOLE point? Richardson plays offense and they had none. You're right. Week 1's game doesn't dictate what it will be like going forward but I think the people taking the other side had a valid reasoning also in that, the Browns, as a whole, are so inept that it will restrict richardson quite a bit.'werdnoynek said:
I think a lot of people that were so high on Richardson had this idea that he was going to come out and just impose his will on people, remind people of Peterson or MJD, and at the end of each week look up and see that he had good compiled numbers. But the reality might be that if a team is only getting about 2/3rds of the offensive series that other teams are, and they can't give running lanes, that his first season might be very frustrating overall.
wadegarrett
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Another factor I think people are overlooking is that he didn't have a preseason (no, I know that has been said) - as a result, he wasn't involved in the passing game much. One of the things I think people are fogetting is that the best "coming out of college" comp for Richardson was NOT Ingram, it was LT2. He is also a very good receiver out of the backfield.
Once he has more time to get acclamated to pass blocking and the Browns feel comfortable with him in the backfield on passing downs, he will start getting the ball more in space. That fact, combined with better play by the offensive line (who are better than they played yesterday) will yield production more on par with expectations.
The two biggest things to take out of yesterday as far as Richardson are concerned are:
1) He looks to be healthy (albiet a little rusty)
2) The Browns are going to use him...A TON.
Once he has more time to get acclamated to pass blocking and the Browns feel comfortable with him in the backfield on passing downs, he will start getting the ball more in space. That fact, combined with better play by the offensive line (who are better than they played yesterday) will yield production more on par with expectations.
The two biggest things to take out of yesterday as far as Richardson are concerned are:
1) He looks to be healthy (albiet a little rusty)
2) The Browns are going to use him...A TON.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Lets wait until week 4. If he hasn't reached the century mark by then and at least score one TD, redraft owners can panic.
I didn't expect much from him yesterday. While I was encouraged by the number of carries he got, I am disappointed with what he did with them.
Coming off knee surgery, lack of preseason, and being a rookie I can certainly understand why.
People who took him as a RB1/RB2 made a risky mistake. Those who got him as a RB3/Flex will eventually be rewarded.
I didn't expect much from him yesterday. While I was encouraged by the number of carries he got, I am disappointed with what he did with them.
Coming off knee surgery, lack of preseason, and being a rookie I can certainly understand why.
People who took him as a RB1/RB2 made a risky mistake. Those who got him as a RB3/Flex will eventually be rewarded.
Banger
Footballguy
Agree 100%. Yesterday (touch wise) was the best case scenario all things considered. If you are a Richardson owner I think you should be happy today.
No preseason, very little practice, and a "bum" knee and this guy totally dominates his teams carries. It's week one against an underrated and improved defense. Weeden did look abysmal and the eagles dared him to beat them and he didn't. The stat line was bad and his schedule is daunting, but be a man and stick it out. The Ingram comparisons are baseless. Ingram has never even sniffed that many carries. There are better days to come and like everything it's best to sell high and buy low. If you drafted him like I did you are in the boat. Talent usually wins out and Richardson just oozes talent. Let's all put the gun down and wait.
Shutout
Footballguy
I think that is a GREAT "perspective" type of quote. SO many people jump down other people's throats about "over reacting" but, by nature, isn't a big part of the entire concept of a "shark pool" supposed to be being able to sniff out the trends BEFORE they are common knowledge? We aren't supposed to be sitting on our hands and waiting for the polls to close and the data to come in. We are SUPPOSED to be taking very small nuggets and completing the bigger picture and getting a jump on the everyone else.Sadly, we have fallen into a rut of doing the opposite. Instead of having a nice discussion about picking "Tamme vs. Dreesen". "Ridley Vs. Vereen", etc, and talking it out, all we get is people screaming "You're over reacting!". It's winless anymore.
If you make a common knowledge statement, you get blasted for not being a shark.
If you make a bold statement based on your insight, you get blasted for not having a mountain of data to back it up. BUT that is what it is supposed to be...see the diamond BEFORE it starts shining.
fightingillini
Footballguy
He will be a bust this year given his draft position, but he still will carry value because of the volume of touches. Weeden has nowhere but to go up, and PHI's defense is pretty good. Richardson was good when he actually got going.....but it's hard when you're hit in the backfield on 1/2 of your carries.
I got Richardson in my auction keeper league at $17 ($200 cap). Since I have Rice and Spiller, I can sit Richardson and see what happens, but he's still a nice keeper/dynasty option. But I am not counting on him much for this year.
I did think that he's was way overvalued at his ADP.
I got Richardson in my auction keeper league at $17 ($200 cap). Since I have Rice and Spiller, I can sit Richardson and see what happens, but he's still a nice keeper/dynasty option. But I am not counting on him much for this year.
I did think that he's was way overvalued at his ADP.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Trent Richardson's second surgery to clear up catiledge didn't take place until after the first week of training camp. The time stated for his return was from two-to-six weeks.
He missed the remainder of training camp and the entire preseason meaning he never truly had full contact in pads.
In camp they have contact but the coaches discourage take downs, full-on tackling.
The fact the guy hadn't played in over a month is one huge factor.
The fact he wasn't in football condition, i.e. hadn't absorbed full contact since college was another huge factor.
The fact the Browns were starting a rookie QB who was in over his head as he was dealing with a second year WR who drops passes and bats them up in the air for easy interceptions and had other rookies and second year guys who haven't quite developed and is working in young offensive linemen where the only threat is Trent Richardson so the defensive gameplan would be to load the box to stop Trent is another factor.
The fact that Browns head coach Pat Shurmur gave him a full workload under those conditions when Brandon Jackson has much livelier legs and burst and should have started the game with T-Rich getting his feet wet at a much slower pace is another factor.
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Take all of the above factors out of it and look at how he ran.
He didn't have many chances to make a play, nothing was open up the middle, I mean NOTHING. Doesn't matter how fast or skinny he can hit holes their was NOTHING there due to the penetration and loaded box.
On the very few times he got a crease he ran strong and finished plays with authority but when he got caught going horizontal and had where he had to turn behind a lead blocker to make a decision he seemed to hesitate just enough where pursuit caught up with him.
Basically it was the first work he's truly gotten as a rookie with full contact.
The first time the knee was tested.
He got way too much work for my tastes, horrible coaching decision IMHO, should have gone with Brandon Jackson and picked the spots to mix in Richardson.
I'm really frustrated by Shurmur's decision since it seemed an easy call to slowly bring him back instead of forcing a full workload on him without any contact for a month, are ya kidding me?
Now that the knee is obviously strong enough and that he's gotten the contact, look for improvements and he possibly could have a breakout game here soon.
He's going to get the work that is for sure.
He missed the remainder of training camp and the entire preseason meaning he never truly had full contact in pads.
In camp they have contact but the coaches discourage take downs, full-on tackling.
The fact the guy hadn't played in over a month is one huge factor.
The fact he wasn't in football condition, i.e. hadn't absorbed full contact since college was another huge factor.
The fact the Browns were starting a rookie QB who was in over his head as he was dealing with a second year WR who drops passes and bats them up in the air for easy interceptions and had other rookies and second year guys who haven't quite developed and is working in young offensive linemen where the only threat is Trent Richardson so the defensive gameplan would be to load the box to stop Trent is another factor.
The fact that Browns head coach Pat Shurmur gave him a full workload under those conditions when Brandon Jackson has much livelier legs and burst and should have started the game with T-Rich getting his feet wet at a much slower pace is another factor.
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Take all of the above factors out of it and look at how he ran.
He didn't have many chances to make a play, nothing was open up the middle, I mean NOTHING. Doesn't matter how fast or skinny he can hit holes their was NOTHING there due to the penetration and loaded box.
On the very few times he got a crease he ran strong and finished plays with authority but when he got caught going horizontal and had where he had to turn behind a lead blocker to make a decision he seemed to hesitate just enough where pursuit caught up with him.
Basically it was the first work he's truly gotten as a rookie with full contact.
The first time the knee was tested.
He got way too much work for my tastes, horrible coaching decision IMHO, should have gone with Brandon Jackson and picked the spots to mix in Richardson.
I'm really frustrated by Shurmur's decision since it seemed an easy call to slowly bring him back instead of forcing a full workload on him without any contact for a month, are ya kidding me?
Now that the knee is obviously strong enough and that he's gotten the contact, look for improvements and he possibly could have a breakout game here soon.
He's going to get the work that is for sure.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I wouldn't worry too much. At some point, CLE will have to start thinking about the future and give one of the young QBs a shot.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Good to see some rational people posting in here, I thought I was in the twilight zone when originally posted in this thread. I'm going to attempt to buy-low by sending over K.Smith and some other perceived upgrade, not sure yet.
dagwood
Footballguy
In a redraft league, he is going to be a bust unless they put McCoy in at QB. Then he may be servicable. Probably never going to live up to 2nd round value though.In a dynasty / keeeper league, he has value.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Why would you purposefully downgrade at RB?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Who knows what will happen, but there are plenty of good RBs on bad teams. In fact, it's generally the bad teams that are crazy enough to give all the carries to one guy (and then overpay him in a few years because of it).
Just looking at truly horrible teams only (4 wins or worse)....
S-Jax, ADP, and MJD did well last year, despite a terrible supporting cast.
2010: Benson (CIN 4-12), Fred Jackson (4-12), the CAR guys performed fine, but split carries
2009: S-Jax (1-15), Charles (4-12), CLE's Jerome friggin' Harrison had a respectable run in his 7 starts
2008: Kevin Smith (0-16) racked up 976 yards, 8 TDs, and 39 catches. S-Jax with down year (1000 yards/7TDs/40rec), Jamal Lewis was the worst case scenario for bad team RB getting all the carries(1000 yards, 4 TDs, 23 catches)
2007: S-Jax again (1000/5/38 in 12 games), Fargas (1000/4/23 in 7 starts), Gore killed it for the 5 win 9ers, Thomas Jones did fine
I could go on, but the point is that RB's doing well on a bad team isn't the exception. 1600 yards might be the exception, but about half of the most atrocious teams in the league ever year have a RB helping fantasy teams.
More often than not, when a RB on a bad team stinks, the problem is injury, RBBC, or losing the starting job, not the supporting cast.
Few RBs have it all (bellcow on a good offense), that's what makes Rice, McCoy and Foster elite. With most of the rest, you've got to choose between competition for carries and quality of supporting cast.
There's plenty of value in having absolutely no competition for touches. I don't care how bad the QB is.
If Richardson stays healthy, it would take something crazy to keep him from being an RB2, imo.
Just looking at truly horrible teams only (4 wins or worse)....
S-Jax, ADP, and MJD did well last year, despite a terrible supporting cast.
2010: Benson (CIN 4-12), Fred Jackson (4-12), the CAR guys performed fine, but split carries
2009: S-Jax (1-15), Charles (4-12), CLE's Jerome friggin' Harrison had a respectable run in his 7 starts
2008: Kevin Smith (0-16) racked up 976 yards, 8 TDs, and 39 catches. S-Jax with down year (1000 yards/7TDs/40rec), Jamal Lewis was the worst case scenario for bad team RB getting all the carries(1000 yards, 4 TDs, 23 catches)
2007: S-Jax again (1000/5/38 in 12 games), Fargas (1000/4/23 in 7 starts), Gore killed it for the 5 win 9ers, Thomas Jones did fine
I could go on, but the point is that RB's doing well on a bad team isn't the exception. 1600 yards might be the exception, but about half of the most atrocious teams in the league ever year have a RB helping fantasy teams.
More often than not, when a RB on a bad team stinks, the problem is injury, RBBC, or losing the starting job, not the supporting cast.
Few RBs have it all (bellcow on a good offense), that's what makes Rice, McCoy and Foster elite. With most of the rest, you've got to choose between competition for carries and quality of supporting cast.
There's plenty of value in having absolutely no competition for touches. I don't care how bad the QB is.
If Richardson stays healthy, it would take something crazy to keep him from being an RB2, imo.
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Warpig
Footballguy
I wasn't comparing Ingram to Richardson as far as talent wise or situation. My comparison was more towards you probably spent a top 4 pick to get either of these guys so you expect results. Well, you aren't gonna get results from either of these guys that warrant where you drafted them. Richardson is in a terrible situation on a team that is in disarray. That whole office and staff might be gone (as well as the team?) at the end of this year.I think Richardson has the talent to be a top 10 RB. But as long as he is on that team it's gonna be tough sledding. I wouldn't expect a whole lot from him this year and possibly next year.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Cincy d is the Rodney Dangerfield of D's. They are not a good matchup. Historically Philadelphia's wide 9 is murderous on qbs but soft on rbs. I didn't see much of the game but I wonder what happened there, or if this is just owners saying he really had no room at all.'werdnoynek said:This game seemed rather fluky, as in there were a total of eight interceptions thrown between Vick and Weedan. From the snippets I caught, it looked like one of the ugliest games ever played with neither team ever being able to find any type of rhythm. Using this game as some sort of barometer to judge Trich's future outlook would be a mistake.This was Trich's first game as a pro after accumulating a bit of rust in the preseason. There's no need to overact after the first week of the season. He faces CIN next week which looks to be an easier match up on paper. Please, wait before you hit the panic button.
joffer
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
I can't imagine the team would keep rolling him out there for 16 games if he doesn't markedly improve.
Cato
Footballguy
This thought process is spot on the money.In fact it brings to my mind... if you LIKE a player, you will try and forgive him as many times as possible.
If you DISLIKE a player, you will try to bury him as a many times as possible.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, and hopefully we all have some sort of internal judgment to get there. With the small sample size in the NFL, sometimes this comes down to leaps of faith, depending on your risk tolerance. (as well as trying to stay informed from trusted internet sources.)
Internal struggle in dynasty/redraft is between patience and inertia, clarity and being too hasty.
I'd suggest Weeden and overall Brown's performance, may hamper Richardson's ceiling this year, but I'm hoping his floor, health permitting is still fairly high.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I wasn't expecting Weeden to be that bad, but my expectations were pretty low, so I won't facotr that into any analysis adjustments for Richardson. He didn't look great yesterday, he looked like a guy that hadn't played. I think he's a fine #2 in the short term and still has an enormous ceiling long term. Is long term this year? or next year? May be next year, but the ypc will improve as he gets more comfortable and clearly he's going to get touches. I think they should have limited his 2nd half touches after not setting the world on fire in the first half and coming off the knee surgery and they fed him anyway. For fantasy owners, that's a good thing.
DoubleG
Footballguy
This. If you are trotting TRich out in redraft in week's 2 or 3 expecting him to be RB1 (or even decent RB2) - you're in for some frustration. If he's your RB2 and you can win a few weeks with him putting up 5-10 points, you'll be aright.If he's your RB3 and you're hoping he can get things rolling by FF playoffs or to cover bye weeks, you're golden.If you have him in dynasty, you're
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Exactly!! I actually watched every Cleveland possession to see what I could about Richardson. I knew that this was going to be a terrible game, and that the only way to actually know his performance, was to watch him. First of all, Richardson will be a 3 down back. However, they said before the game, that he would come out on 3rd down in favor of Jackson. That right there makes things very difficult for the guy. This means that he is out there for the first 2 downs, and the defense pretty much knew who the ball would go to. Weeden threw some passes, but the defense knew that they did not have to defend that much. So, in the future he will contribute on passing downs. He could have had some success on 3rd downs, I believe, however that is not what the coaches wanted him to do yet. Second, if the guy was really bad, he would have carried the ball 11 times for 4 yards, or even worse 6 times for -1. He did not have much success, however it could have been much worse. Third, the Eagles have a really good defense. I think that people forget how they came on in the latter part of the season in 2011. Correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think they allowed a 100 yd rusher in the last 4-6 games. Couple that with the fact of them not having to cover??? Not going to be good. There are signs to be encouraged with. #1. He got all the carries and did not seem to have a problem with the knee. #2. He ran with power, and showed that he will be pushing some piles with ease. #3. If Weeden keeps playing like this, we will see Colt Mccoy pretty soon. (say what you will about him, but he did not look that bad when you compare him to Weeden. Plus a few weapons that he didnt have last year, could help in his 3rd year). Trent Richardson is not fully healthy. He did not play in the preseason and missed most of training camp. I feel like he probably has some learning to do, as far as the offense goes, and that is why he came out on 3rd downs. That will change rapidly, I would think. Based on everything I have read about the guy, he is excellent in pass protection already. So once he learns the offense better, he should have better games. I did not draft Richardson to start for my team in the first 2-4 weeks. I drafted him in the hopes that he could get healthy in the early weeks, and then become that beast that everyone thinks he will be. Getting 20-22 carries and 4-5 catches. I still see that happening, and was pretty encouraged by what I saw yesterday. I was actually expecting the guy to get out there, and not be able go very much. (That would have been my luck)I didn't read the entire thread before making my post, and it looks like I said what a lot of others were saying. Sorry!'werdnoynek said:
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Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm just curious what you will be buying him for. What are you expecting to pay for him? He went at pick 3.09 in my league and it sounds like was a 2nd rounder in many other leagues. I'm just curious what level of player you feel you are willing to give up to land him? I'm trying to understand what some people feel his redraft value is after one week.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Can somebody please get "Green and Gold" to ####.
Seeing firsthand how annoying this is I have decided to eliminate Ingram from my vocabulary.
I will just put him on Ignore.
Seeing firsthand how annoying this is I have decided to eliminate Ingram from my vocabulary.
I will just put him on Ignore.
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Insoxicated
Hey STC! Good to see you around and posting. I enjoy reading your thoughts.
My .02: I'm on the "####ty offense, stacked box, tough schedule" side of things. IMO To succeed as a fantasy back you really need talent and opportunity. I have little doubt that TRich is a talented back... and he has the part of opportunity that comes with being a bellcow back. The part of "Opportunity" that might kill him is the supporting cast/schedule/etc. Its going to be tough to overcome IMO. That said, it could happen. IF I was to buy, it would be at a substantial discount from what people paid initially though... IMO I valued him around Round 4 in the preseason and I think that's roughly where he sits now... possibly into Round 5 value. 
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Weeden can't get any worst than yesterday. He can't be any worst than Blaine Gabbert was last year. If MJD can scratch a good season out, there's a shot Trent can do the same. They even used him the passing game which was encouraging. I saw him drop a pass that hit him right in the hands though.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Jusdging by his user name, he's a Packer fan, so getting someone who will ####, might be tough - and I don't swing that way. Unless by #### you meant ####, in which case a laxative would help.
Clifford
Footballguy
You are everything that's wrong with this board.
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Insoxicated
I'm a big fan of Richardson's talent but let's not start comparing him to MJD Juuuuuust yet. 
Clifford
Footballguy
Well, there is something worthwhile in this thread after all. I'm thinking his value is somewhere around Shonne Green to the panicked owner and probably someone like Gore to a non-panicked owner. Personally I would keep Gore. Depending on BJGE's performance I might offer him up after this game for himI still think he will get better but the line has to run-block better as he was getting hit in the backfield alot.
In fact it brings to my mind... if you LIKE a player, you will try and forgive him as many times as possible.
If you DISLIKE a player, you will try to bury him as a many times as possible.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, and hopefully we all have some sort of internal judgment to get there. With the small sample size in the NFL, sometimes this comes down to leaps of faith, depending on your risk tolerance. (as well as trying to stay informed from trusted internet sources.)
Internal struggle in dynasty/redraft is between patience and inertia, clarity and being too hasty.
I'd suggest Weeden and overall Brown's performance, may hamper Richardson's ceiling this year, but I'm hoping his floor, health permitting is still fairly high.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If he's a top 5 talent as his draft position indicates he will be fine regardless of his surroundings, great runningbacks produce regardless of what's going on around them. If your opinion has changed that drastically based on what you saw yesterday, or just saw in the boxscore and twitter, then you shouldn't have had an opinion on him to start with.
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Well, as the person who started this thread, I do feel a bit sheepish to post again. I do think that I possibly jumped the gun. I'm really hoping that some signs of improvement come by around game 3 or 4. I luckily have Spiller, so I will be able to bench T-Rich for the time being. We shall see.
-fish-
Footballguy
I'm hoping for one decent game so I can dump him on someone trying to "buy low." This team is awful, and he's going to see nothing but 8 man fronts all year. He may be a talented back and he may have a couple good games, but with nothing around him I can't risk starting him as anything but bye week filler.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Another silly thread (yes I know I am stupid for opening it). The guy was rated as the best offensive player in the draft by some - some even rated him the highest rated player OVERALL. After one game people are going on suicide watch. He just started practicing A WEEK AGO. What did you expect?? 25/200/2??? He might be slow for the entire year, but next year, after a healthy training camp and preseason, he should be ready to go off. If you just drafted in redraft a few weeks ago, I don't know why you had unrealistic expectations.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I'n 16 games as a rookie, LT2 had 11 games with a YPC under 4; 5 of those under 3 YPC, and 2 under 2.5 YPC. I use LT2 as an example because many feel Richardson is of a similar talent level. Personally, I also see a lot of similarities to their respective situations; bad teams, rookie QBs...
I'm of the theory I will definitely give him 5-8 games before Ieven begin to assess his long term value. Anyone who expected 100 yard games week in and out probably overrated how far his talent could take him this season.
I'm of the theory I will definitely give him 5-8 games before Ieven begin to assess his long term value. Anyone who expected 100 yard games week in and out probably overrated how far his talent could take him this season.
-fish-
Footballguy
How about shortcomings at QB/WR/TE/OL?From profootballweekly.com:Not comparing him to MJD. Just using that as an example of a RB can have a good season despite shortcomings at QB/WR.'[icon] said:'jbz said:
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Nice post. The player he actually most reminds me of as a rookie prospect is Edgerrin James. I wish Richardson similar success in the NFL. The Browns are a really bad team. I was reading that they are the 1st team to start a rookie QB, RB and WR game 1 since the expansion Houston Texans started Carr/Gaffney/Wells in 2002. That is not good company to be in. The Browns are truly at rock bottom being in a position that they are doing this.I think Richardson has enough talent to still overcome these issues. I am just worried that Cleveland will ruin him in the process. It seems clear to me that they played him too soon coming back from injury. They are that desperate. Listening to Richardson's after game presser he admits that he did not have quite the same burst that he is used to, that he was not in synch with the offense, that he needs playing time to figure these things out. So they got him some valuable experience, it just seems to be throwing caution to the wind and makes me uncomfortable with how they are managing Richardson as well as the rest of the team.
Diamond One
Footballguy
Yep, by that time, the Browns will be 0-5 or 0-6 and firmly established in their eternal bettle for the first round draft pick of 2013...'Kboyd78 said:
Yes, Richardson has a ton of talent - sadly he is in an organization that doesn't know how to use it. CLEVELAND people - not much more to it here. 
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Maybe you haven't been following this thread closely enough, but RBs on bad teams can't help your fantasy team. I wouldn't get too excited about this J.R. Spiller fella.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This must be your first time playing FF huh.
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