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- Thread starter David Dodds
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Bostonfred...3 defenses, especially the ones he picked will score nicely. Nice RB stable, but you should have cuffed T Jones, especially at the price Dodds scooped him up for. Fred probably got the best TE values in the league, especially given some of the screwy bids at this position. Can't give you enough kudos for securing the starting NE WRs. I think the boom-bust potential of the rest of your WRs fits the format perfectly.
After reviewing this again, I'm putting Fred up there with Dodds team.
After reviewing this again, I'm putting Fred up there with Dodds team.
This I got to hear about. 
EBF
Footballguy
Thanks for the comments.As for the RBs, I was concerned more with quality than quanitity. My plan going into the draft was to get three quality starters and I think I achieved that objective. I had planned to get Bush all along, but was not interested in McAllister. I don't think he's a necessary handcuff by any means and he was a luxury that I couldn't afford.I agree that I overpaid for Miller, but it was only a $1-3 mistake. I think Gates was an incredible value when you consider that some of the top WRs were going for $35-40. He's just as valuable as them, if not more so, given the fact that he's one of the only TEs capable of having monster weeks (whereas 40 WRs can go for 100 and a score each week). I never intended to buy a top 25 WR and I stuck with that plan. In a best ball league, I just don't think there's a lot of incentive to spend cash on a stud WR. I think you can get by at the position with a quantity over quality approach. I did a rough analysis using some auction data and determined that the "good FF games" per dollar value is typically best in the WR25+ range. That's where I set my sights, although I wasn't able to land as many of my targets as I had hoped. Guys like Kennison, Coles, Keyshawn, and Bruce just weren't as cheap as I was expecting them to be. I think I built a solid team. My only real regret is failing to use an early nomination to secure a solid defense. I should've ponied up the extra dollar and gotten a real team instead of being stuck with a couple of duds. The good news is that both Oakland and Cleveland should be improved next season.
Kev...please comment on this team. I see no rhyme or reason to what you did here. Why Fyre when you had the Mannings? Why only 6 WRs, especially when two are rooks and one can't see the ball. What do you know about Harrison that we don't? How's he gonna leap frog all you other RBs to post a score?
Getting picky here, but...31 TE04 L.J. Smith Phi/9 bostonfred 7 38 TE06 Todd Heap Bal/7 radballs 13 44 TE07 Jeremy Shockey NYG/4 Perry Van Hook 11 62 TE08 Tony Gonzalez KC/3 Psychology Kev 10 86 TE09 Jason Witten Dal/3 Construx Boy 5 99 TE10 Alge Crumpler Atl/5 Maurile Tremblay 6 103 TE11 Chris Cooley Was/8 David Dodds 4 104 TE12 Ben Watson NE/6 Chris Smith 6 115 TE13 Ben Troupe Ten/7 Aaron Rudnicki 3 116 TE14 Randy McMichael Mia/8 radballs 5 Any three of these will post more points then Gates/Miller at $31.How about Shockey/Heap/Watson for $30?Or better yet Crumpler/Watson/Witten for $17.
EBF
Footballguy
There's definitely some merit to those combos, but I'd contend Gates is in a class by himself and that he's one of the few stud players worth paying for in an auction because he's really the only TE who seems like a realistic bet for 70 and a score each week. There's a premium on big games in this type of league. At the TE spot, no one offers more big game potential than Gates. Maybe that advantage isn't enough to justify the large difference in cost between him and the other TEs, but I felt that he was worth pursuing for $20-25. I never actually planned to get him, but was surprised when no one outbid me. I think he's probably one of the 3-5 most valuable players in FF (based on the past two seasons). I'm happy that I got him.
David Dodds
Administrator
I agree I could have used another good receiver. It's tough though because you aren't sure how those valuations will work out in the middle of the auction. Tremblay and I both seemed willing to go to the wall to secure Driver, but I thought it was pointless to keep bidding against a staffer so I backed off. He did the same for me when we were the only two left bidding on Mike Bell.I think we might have both had better teams had I ended up with Driver and he got Bell, but that is all in hindsight.I was among the last to get my QBs and was starting to panic a bit there (thinking others could have really squeezed me). It actually worked out and then I had extra cap (hence the somewhat high bids on my last receivers). In hindsight, allocating more to a big name receiver would be perfect, but then I risked getting squeezed out at QB. and that would have been a disaster. I am actually pretty happy getting Marvin Harrison, Rod Smith and Terry Glenn as my top 3 WRs. Troy Williamson and even Jerry Porter could have some big games too. I will be surprised if my team does not do well in this format.
Crimedogg32
Footballguy
How can you even find this on the website besides threw that link? I was trying to find I think the re-draft analysis of the teams but couldnt find it any help?
Team Legacy
Footballguy
There are alot of good teams here.
The top teams in no particular order:
Dodds
Bostonfred
Radballs
Perry Van Hook
Looks like a victory for the MB !!
The top teams in no particular order:
Dodds
Bostonfred
Radballs
Perry Van Hook
Looks like a victory for the MB !!
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
High risk, high reward. Keep in mind this was before the Duckett trade, the SJax news and the Branch trade info.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
What is wrong with the team? I can say that my RB's would look a lot different had I not been outbid by message board members. Some were justified while others I thought were more like WTF situations. To answer it with one word though I was aiming for Consistency. I think I have that. Could I have been better, well sure but I could have been much worse as well. My team has the potential to have games that will win 11-0 in a week but I also think that my team will not have any 0-11 weeks... knock on wood. If I score in the middle of the teams each week say 7-4, 6-5, 5-6 over the long hall I think I move up the standings. We will see of course but in the grand scheme of things I think my team could surprise. Any issues per se that you might have or others for that matter? I am open to hear what others think.Comment about Frye... real late in the draft he was the last starter of the 32 teams and although I have the Manning brothers, which was not a plan of mine, I see the QB position as a more important component than other positions. If Manning Inc have an off week then hopefully Frye could step in even if it is one week it could be a big difference. With the talent at that stage of the draft this was a good selection.
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I had money to burn when I signed Stevens. He was the best remaining at the time (pre-injury) so I made sure to get him. Stevens and Jurevicius were the last two signings I made and I overspent on them simply b/c I had nothing else to spend money on. The injury to Stevens sucked. He should have been a great signing as a TE2.
Heath Miller might have been the first TE off the board...and Gates might have been the 2nd. I didn't really understand it either.
David Dodds
Administrator
$200 cap. 22 roster spots.Each week the best QB, best 2 RBs, best 3 WRs, best TE, best flex (RB, WR or TE not used already), best PK and best def will be counted.Everyone will play all other 11 teams each week. High score for the week earns 11 wins and no losses. Low score earns no wins and 11 losses. Players:All TDs are 6 pointspassing yards: 1 point per 25 yardsinterceptions: -1 perrushing/reciving yards: 1 point per 10 yardsreceptions: 1 pt perKicker Scoring:FG 0-39: 3 pointsFG 40-49: 4 ptsFG 50+: 5 ptsExtra point: 1 ptDef/ST Scoring
ef/ST TD: 6 ptsFumble Recoveries: 2 ptsInterceptions: 2 ptsSacks: 1 ptSafeties: 2 ptsOff Points against:0 = 10 pts2-9 = 5 pts10-19 = 3 pts20-29 = 1 pt30+ = 0 pts
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There are alot of good teams here.The top teams in no particular order
staff 
the MB in this draft.apart from the Stevens injury, I'd take my squad against anyone.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I don't know Aaron, you spent almost 61% on RBs and according to the Perfect Auction article, it should have been closer to 50%. And you only spent 48% of your cap on your "starters."
You're doomed.
You're doomed.
yeah, things didn't go quite as planned. But, with everybody overspending early, it left plenty of value for me to scoop up.WestbroookJ.Jones/M.BarberC.TaylorF.Goreshould be good for 4 starting RBs....plus Gado might contribute.Derrick MasonErnest WilfordDonte StallworthKeyshawn JohnsonEric MouldsRoddy WhiteJoe Jureviciusgives me 7 of my top 47 WRs.Bledsoe/Leftwich/Brees should be a solid trio at QB.TE/PK/DEF wound up weaker than I would've liked them to be, especially due to the Stevens injury. But, I still think I'll do alright. Hopefully, Stevens returns at some point.I definitely could have done better if I planned a little better since I wound up with money to burn at the end, but I still think I'd gladly take this squad over all the rest.I don't know Aaron, you spent almost 61% on RBs and according to the Perfect Auction article, it should have been closer to 50%. And you only spent 48% of your cap on your "starters."You're doomed.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
You've got great depth and I've always thought that was the way to go. But David's 75-80% on starters is interesting to me. I spent 79.5% there. Should be fun.
Gado is on Aaron's team for $4 and went up shortly after Green. You could have had Green Bay's running game for next to nothing. I only see 2 of your 7 RBs regularly posting scores.
Great top end, but virtually no help from the reserves. I really think your flex player will be one of the worst in the league.
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David...we did this two years ago and it looks like this draft played out about the same in regards to WRs. Glenn will be huge in this format...7 Glenn like WRs would dominate in this format. Evans, Glenn, Housh, Brown, Jones, Driver, S. Moss would be potent.
bostonfred
Footballguy
This was the single biggest point to me. Unlike normal survivor leagues, where your goal is not to score the least each week, the goal of this league is to score the most each week. It's still the same best-ball format, but the type of players you want in this league are significantly different - you need a lot more explosiveness, and you need enough depth at each position that you won't crap the bed at any given position on any given week. I love Carson Palmer in this format. He was a guy I really wanted, and I couldn't believe I got him for eight bucks. Sure, we didn't know if he would play the whole season, but even assuming he's out the first five weeks, he's the #2 QB once he's back. Delhomme is my #3 QB, mostly by default. I didn't see a need to get a third QB, although that may come back to bite me.
I love Reggie Wayne in this format, too, because he's got the potential for some monster weeks. Roy Williams is another guy who can disappear for weeks, then explode. I like both in a best ball format better than a regular league this year. With two top receivers who can disappear for weeks at a time, I wanted to go seven deep at WR. Bobby Engram was a huge value for three bucks. The combo of Caldwell and Troy Brown should get me some receptions this year; the fact that they're the two NE starters right now is gravy. Stokley is more likely to explode during a Reggie Wayne down week, which should level out my scoring; I also expect Manning to go off this year which is why I took so many of his secondary receivers like Clark and Stokley. Marcus Robinson will go undrafted in a lot of leagues, and he wasn't even my first choice with my 22nd pick, but the WR situation in Minnesota is such a mess that he could be a huge addition to my team.
I was thrilled to get two 1st round running backs for $85. I like Cadillac a lot better than Jordan, but I'm happy with my starting backfield and anything LenDale and Benson contribute is a bonus. Pittman was cheap insurance for Cadillac and could contribute week 7 when my other backups are on bye; anything else would be gravy.
LJ Smith leads my TE crew, and I expect him to do most of my scoring. Dallas Clark is partially a hedge for Reggie Wayne/Stokley, and partially a guy who is more likely to explode one week and be silent the next, than to give me consistent scoring at a point per reception. Alex Smith is a cheap #3 TE; I really don't know what to expect from him this year but the price was right.
I spent more on my kickers than any other squad, but the two I got - Elam and Josh Brown - are both big scorers capable of kicking long distance field goals. In a league that gives 4 points for 40 yards, and 5 points for 50+, it was worth five bucks to get this pair.
Between the deep rosters, the best ball format, the scoring system that weights turnovers and touchdowns way more heavily than scoring and ignores yardage altogether, and the fact that the Carolina D went for five bucks, I definitely wanted three Ds. Cincinatti quietly led the league in turnover differential last year. New England is still a quality defense, and teams will have to gamble a little more against them if Maroney and Dillon reenergize the running game. The Broncos get lucky and get a lot of calls.
Overall, I like the value I got in this auction. I think I overpaid by a buck or two on a couple of players - Roy Williams, Jason Elam, Alex Smith, and possibly Cedrick Benson - but I got some bargains on Cadillac, Palmer, Wayne, Engram and LJ Smith. I'm happy with this team.
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Sinrman
Footballguy
Will do well: 
(Ones I think have a great chance of winning)
Bostonfred (Great duo of QBs, decent RBs, loving the WRs, ok TEs)
David Dodds (Decent QBs, incredible group of RBs, nice WRs, decent TEs)
The "Ho Hums:"
(Ones that have potential and could sneak in a win, but aren't completely solid)
Aaron Rudnicki (Great trio of QBs, RBs with potential but w/ a lot of questions, so-so WRs, ok TEs)
Chris Smith (Ok QBs, overpaid RBs, ok WRs, ok TEs)
Clayton Gray (Blah QBs, nice RBs w/ lots of potential, nice WRs, blah TEs)
Jeff Pasquino (Decent QBs, decent RBs but with a lot of questions, ok WRs, bad TEs)
Maurile Trembley (Great value QBs, bad group of RBs though decent potential, incredible WRs if healthy, ok TEs)
Perry Van Hook (Decent QBs, so-so RBs w/ some overpaid and some underpaid, great stable of WRs, decent TEs)
Psychology Kev (Great QBs, so-so RBs w/ some overpaid and some underpaid, nice group of WRs, decent TEs)
Radballs (Decent yet risky QBs, decent group of RBs though most are health concerns and will share time, great group of WRs, excellent TEs)
The Uglies:
(Ones that I don't think stand a chance)
Construx Boy (One overpaid QB and one great value QB, so-so RBs, bad WRs, nice TEs)
EastBayFunk (Decent QBs, so-so RBs but too few, way too many WRs and few worth anything, excellent TEs)
(Ones I think have a great chance of winning)
Bostonfred (Great duo of QBs, decent RBs, loving the WRs, ok TEs)
David Dodds (Decent QBs, incredible group of RBs, nice WRs, decent TEs)
The "Ho Hums:"
(Ones that have potential and could sneak in a win, but aren't completely solid)
Aaron Rudnicki (Great trio of QBs, RBs with potential but w/ a lot of questions, so-so WRs, ok TEs)
Chris Smith (Ok QBs, overpaid RBs, ok WRs, ok TEs)
Clayton Gray (Blah QBs, nice RBs w/ lots of potential, nice WRs, blah TEs)
Jeff Pasquino (Decent QBs, decent RBs but with a lot of questions, ok WRs, bad TEs)
Maurile Trembley (Great value QBs, bad group of RBs though decent potential, incredible WRs if healthy, ok TEs)
Perry Van Hook (Decent QBs, so-so RBs w/ some overpaid and some underpaid, great stable of WRs, decent TEs)
Psychology Kev (Great QBs, so-so RBs w/ some overpaid and some underpaid, nice group of WRs, decent TEs)
Radballs (Decent yet risky QBs, decent group of RBs though most are health concerns and will share time, great group of WRs, excellent TEs)
The Uglies:
(Ones that I don't think stand a chance)
Construx Boy (One overpaid QB and one great value QB, so-so RBs, bad WRs, nice TEs)
EastBayFunk (Decent QBs, so-so RBs but too few, way too many WRs and few worth anything, excellent TEs)
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I think my RBs are better than so-so. I'd say they're in the top 5 of this league.
And are you saying that McNabb won't play well because I overpaid?
And are you saying that McNabb won't play well because I overpaid?
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I actually love my team except for one player...QB went exactly how I wanted it to go...Will do well:
Chris Smith (Ok QBs, overpaid RBs, ok WRs, ok TEs)
I was planning on three quarterbacks, two of which can have monster weeks but may be inconsistent and one likely to put up mediocre numbers but steady throughout the year...
Vick and Warner will be good for monster weeks at times and hopefully there poor weeks will be off-set by the other going off. I took Brad Johnson as I figure he'll consistently put up 200 PY / 1 touchdown performances to guarantee some production each week...
RB
I was bidding up Domanick Davis and unfortunately the bidding stopped lower than I had pegged. If he can come back and get some production this year, he may prove to be a bargain but at this point, he is baggage. I attempted to off-set this pick with Lundy and hopefully he'll at least split touches with Morency...
I happen to like McGahee and James and I'm glad to have both. I'm not worried about James right now as I believe the Cardinals OL is beginning to turn the corner a little in preseason and you can't judge a veteran in preseason with only a few carries per game. Chris Brown will have some big weeks even if he shares time. White looks like a bust right now and Henry is nobody's answer...
WR
I love my receivers. I have five receivers certain to add points each week with a couple that have explosive week-to-week ability (like Galloway whom I had targeted going into this draft). I will be set at the receiver position and if Clayton, Baskett and B. Johnson can add points for me, I'll be strong. I got my Clayton/Galloway combo for only $16.00 and together I believe I may score something like...
1,600 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns at least with that duo and it was cheap...
TE
I actually wasn't expecting to land Winslow but for $4, he is worth a shot. The player I had targeted and made sure I landed with Ben Watson. With the Patriots receiver position in shambles, Troy Brown and the others don't excite me... Watson does and I'm almost certain if Branch isn't there that it will be Watson that leads the team in scoring. He has a shot at the top 3 at the TE position...
I like my Chicago/Arizona DEF combo as well as my Stover/Mare kicker duo...
I think I am in pretty good shape going forward...
No matter what, I think as staff, we owned the message board in this draft. Only time will tell though.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Regarding your RBs... no, I wouldn't go better than "so-so." Portis and Jackson makes a good duo, but both are dealing with health issues. May be ok by Week 1, but still a concern. Jones might be the steal out of your group. Betts is a decent backup, but with Duckett entering the picture........ Peterson was cheap, so I'll give you that much at least. But he won't see too much time behind Jones and Benson (once he's back). Top 5 in the league? No way. Several others I'd put ahead of yours.As for McNabb. No, didn't say anything about him not playing well because you overpaid. Just saying you overpaid on him. He'll do alright this year. His passing stats won't be nearly as good as the last two years due to the loss of TO, but his running stats will go up. He'll be more in pre-2004 mode.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Eh, I may have been a bit down on the Shockey/Graham combo. Shockey will do well. Graham will do ok with Brady spreading the ball around. But with Watson also there.........................Just remember it's merely MY opinon....
Sinrman
Footballguy
Forgot to also point out that you paid 57 for Jackson, yet Alexander, a top 1-3 RB, went for just 58......Found that rather interesting...
Sinrman
Footballguy
Edge and McGahee isn't a bad duo. You didn't overpay, I think. Maybe I'm just hard headed, but I'm completely avoiding Davis. I think he has talent, but the injury just has me real skittish. Getting Lundy does help a bit, though Morency will be in the middle of that, as well as A Smith. Messy situation that I personally would rather avoid.Your receivers though... just not feeling it. Could do well, as they all have potential. But Clayton, Coles, A Johnson, AND Muhammed are all coming off of very bad years (for them). You're putting a lot of faith in that at least a couple of them will bounce back. Pretty risky, if you ask me.I actually love my team except for one player...QB went exactly how I wanted it to go...Will do well:
Chris Smith (Ok QBs, overpaid RBs, ok WRs, ok TEs)
I was planning on three quarterbacks, two of which can have monster weeks but may be inconsistent and one likely to put up mediocre numbers but steady throughout the year...
Vick and Warner will be good for monster weeks at times and hopefully there poor weeks will be off-set by the other going off. I took Brad Johnson as I figure he'll consistently put up 200 PY / 1 touchdown performances to guarantee some production each week...
RB
I was bidding up Domanick Davis and unfortunately the bidding stopped lower than I had pegged. If he can come back and get some production this year, he may prove to be a bargain but at this point, he is baggage. I attempted to off-set this pick with Lundy and hopefully he'll at least split touches with Morency...
I happen to like McGahee and James and I'm glad to have both. I'm not worried about James right now as I believe the Cardinals OL is beginning to turn the corner a little in preseason and you can't judge a veteran in preseason with only a few carries per game. Chris Brown will have some big weeks even if he shares time. White looks like a bust right now and Henry is nobody's answer...
WR
I love my receivers. I have five receivers certain to add points each week with a couple that have explosive week-to-week ability (like Galloway whom I had targeted going into this draft). I will be set at the receiver position and if Clayton, Baskett and B. Johnson can add points for me, I'll be strong. I got my Clayton/Galloway combo for only $16.00 and together I believe I may score something like...
1,600 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns at least with that duo and it was cheap...
TE
I actually wasn't expecting to land Winslow but for $4, he is worth a shot. The player I had targeted and made sure I landed with Ben Watson. With the Patriots receiver position in shambles, Troy Brown and the others don't excite me... Watson does and I'm almost certain if Branch isn't there that it will be Watson that leads the team in scoring. He has a shot at the top 3 at the TE position...
I like my Chicago/Arizona DEF combo as well as my Stover/Mare kicker duo...
I think I am in pretty good shape going forward...
No matter what, I think as staff, we owned the message board in this draft. Only time will tell though.
TEs aren't too bad. Clark won't do much, but you got him cheap. Winslow has potential, but his injury history has me a bit hesitant, as well as the ?? surrounding Frye. Watson should do well this year, though...
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Timing of the auction. It happens. I assume you've played in auction leagues before?
Yes...just that Sinrman and I are usually on the good timing side of the auction.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
LOL. I didn't mean to sound so harsh, but my point is that I think valuing an auction by who overpaid or underpaid for players is a fallacy. We don't get points or lose points depending on whether the player is overvalued or undervalued. Yes, you lose out on upgrading at other positions by overspending. But at the end of the auction, when assessing the chances of the team, you need to treat the roster as though it was drafted. The auction prices are meaningless at that point, especially with no trades or waivers.Yes...just that Sinrman and I are usually on the good timing side of the auction.
Tick
Footballguy
The numbers from that article (which was great BTW - I'm looking forward to trying out an auction sometime next offseason) don't really carry over to a best-ball format, where depth is far more important.I don't know Aaron, you spent almost 61% on RBs and according to the Perfect Auction article, it should have been closer to 50%. And you only spent 48% of your cap on your "starters."You're doomed.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Oh sure. I was making the comment in jest.The numbers from that article (which was great BTW - I'm looking forward to trying out an auction sometime next offseason) don't really carry over to a best-ball format, where depth is far more important.I don't know Aaron, you spent almost 61% on RBs and according to the Perfect Auction article, it should have been closer to 50%. And you only spent 48% of your cap on your "starters."You're doomed.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Well, if the competition is a rouge bat, he has some troubles.
WRs are very important in this format, as you start three plus a flex, and with a point per reception, the flex will often be a WR. I like my WRs.At RB, I really need Tiki to stay healthy. I got a little bit of a break with the Barlow trade, I think. After that, I've got a number of RBs who are third-down RB types who should get receptions. (Chris Perry, Kevin Faulk, Tony Fisher, Mewelde Moore.) At least one of them each week should get a bunch of receptions and give me decent points at the RB2 spot if Barlow falters. If one of them scores a touchdown every once in a while, so much the better. And if one of them takes over for an injured Rudi Johnson or Steven Jackson or Chester Taylor, my team could be very dangerous.
EBF
Footballguy
How many RBs do you really think you need in this format? There are only 32 starting RBs in the NFL. There are 12 teams in this league. Simple math says the average team will have less than three starters. I have two starters (KJ, Dunn) and another guy who will outscore most starters (Bush). That's three solid options, which is about average by my count. I tried to compensate for my lack of quality WRs with quantity. That was my strategy going in and I think it's a viable one. Yea, a guy like Bernard Berrian or Reggie Williams may seem like a waste of a roster spot, but I'm guessing they'll each give me a couple of 60+ yards and a score weeks, which is all I'm really looking for. There are 64 starting WRs in the NFL. Even the worst ones will have a big week here and there. I'm counting on that to carry me through. My whole strategy is based on the idea that big games are common for QBs and WRs (meaning you shouldn't pay a premium for players at those positions), but rare for TEs and RBs (meaning you should spend heavily on those positions).
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