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[JKL]

This is related to the post on dynasty value, and RB's and WR's drafted in the top 100.

This is in regard to players drafted since 1978, and in the top 100 picks (though I suspect the answers would probably be the same for all picks). Which running back has had the most seasons as a starter (i.e., he is listed as the primary starter for a season at pfr) without ever finishing in the top ten in rushing yards, total yards, rushing td's, or total td's for a single season?

Which wide receiver has had the most seasons as a starter without ever finishing top ten in either receiving yards or receiving touchdowns in a single season?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

WR - Eddie Kennison?

RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

 

[RavensUNFL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career. Second choicesRB - Fred TaylorWR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

 

[JKL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

Kennison is a very good guess and would be the correct answer but for a top ten finish in receiving touchdowns all the way back in 1996. Foster-no where near enough starting seasons. Dunn- he did finish 8th in rushing yards in 2005. Hint: the answer also started for more seasons than Dunn, though not all of them were at RB.

 

[hankey2mlh]

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career.

Bruce had one of the best seasons EVER for a WR in 1995.Edge led the league in rushing and had double-digit TDs his first two seasons.

 

[Couch Potato]

WR - Eddie Kennison?RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career. Second choicesRB - Fred TaylorWR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

I'm guessing you're young. All these guys have had some monster seasons.Edge was ranked #1 and #2 in fantasy points his rookie and 2nd seasons.,Fred was #4 his rookie year and #6 his 3rd year.Bruce was #2 his 2nd season and had 2-3 other top 10 finishes.Without looking up Monk, I"m pretty sure he's also had multiple top-10 years.I know fantasy points wasn't the question, but being top 10 in FP will correlate to top 10 in individual categories.

 

[JKL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career. Second choicesRB - Fred TaylorWR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

No to all. Monk did have 3 top 10's in yardage and 1 top 10 in td's in his 14 starting seasons.

 

[Couch Potato]

Without looking it up, I'll guess Ricky Proehl as the WR. He was WR3 on some teams, but also started some years and was in the league forever without ever having any great years.

 

[Couch Potato]

Ike Hilliard is another guy that has started a lot of years without a lot of numbers to show for it.

 

[Couch Potato]

Again, I'm not looking anything up cuz that'd take the fun out of guessing, but at RB I'll try Sammy Winder of Denver.

 

[RavensUNFL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career. Second choicesRB - Fred TaylorWR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

I'm guessing you're young. All these guys have had some monster seasons.Edge was ranked #1 and #2 in fantasy points his rookie and 2nd seasons.,Fred was #4 his rookie year and #6 his 3rd year.Bruce was #2 his 2nd season and had 2-3 other top 10 finishes.Without looking up Monk, I"m pretty sure he's also had multiple top-10 years.I know fantasy points wasn't the question, but being top 10 in FP will correlate to top 10 in individual categories.

Actually I was just trying to think of guys that were consistent but not necessarily studs, if you can honestly say you had all those stats off the top of your head, I strongly suggest you find some sports trivia game to win some money. I didn't go look up anything.. so Bruce had 1 monster season in 12 -14?, the edge guess was way off, Taylor had 2 good years out of what 8-10 years now? Monk had 4 total, probably none near top 3 and was an average wr his whole career just consistent.. Not young, just following the rules of the game and not looking up numbers. But people tell me I still look young for my age, so thank you for the compliment.

 

[smoker]

Amani Toomer?

 

[RavensUNFL]

Ike Hilliard is another guy that has started a lot of years without a lot of numbers to show for it.

He seems to be a good guess, was he drafted in the top 100 though?

 

[Couch Potato]

WR - Eddie Kennison?

RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career.

Second choices

RB - Fred Taylor

WR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

I'm guessing you're young. All these guys have had some monster seasons.Edge was ranked #1 and #2 in fantasy points his rookie and 2nd seasons.,

Fred was #4 his rookie year and #6 his 3rd year.

Bruce was #2 his 2nd season and had 2-3 other top 10 finishes.

Without looking up Monk, I"m pretty sure he's also had multiple top-10 years.

I know fantasy points wasn't the question, but being top 10 in FP will correlate to top 10 in individual categories.

Actually I was just trying to think of guys that were consistent but not necessarily studs, if you can honestly say you had all those stats off the top of your head, I strongly suggest you find some sports trivia game to win some money. I didn't go look up anything.. so Bruce had 1 monster season in 12 -14?, the edge guess was way off, Taylor had 2 good years out of what 8-10 years now? Monk had 4 total, probably none near top 3 and was an average wr his whole career just consistent.. Not young, just following the rules of the game and not looking up numbers. But people tell me I still look young for my age, so thank you for the compliment.

The "young" comment wasn't meant as a putdown or insult, honest. It's just that I remember those seasons so well (I've been doing FF forever) and knew they would have to be top-10 seasons.Bruce had several top-10 seasons actually. In the pre-Holt days, in years his hammy wasn't giving him trouble, Bruce was a FF monster.

What I looked up was FBG career stats for 3 of the guys you listed to explain their non-qualification. No, I wish my old brain was that good but it isn't! Bruce, for example: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BrucIs00-2.php

And since Monk isn't active, I couldn't look him up there.

But in trying to guess my own answers I"m not looking anything up.

 

[JKL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?

RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career.

Second choices

RB - Fred Taylor

WR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

I'm guessing you're young. All these guys have had some monster seasons.Edge was ranked #1 and #2 in fantasy points his rookie and 2nd seasons.,

Fred was #4 his rookie year and #6 his 3rd year.

Bruce was #2 his 2nd season and had 2-3 other top 10 finishes.

Without looking up Monk, I"m pretty sure he's also had multiple top-10 years.

I know fantasy points wasn't the question, but being top 10 in FP will correlate to top 10 in individual categories.

Actually I was just trying to think of guys that were consistent but not necessarily studs, if you can honestly say you had all those stats off the top of your head, I strongly suggest you find some sports trivia game to win some money. I didn't go look up anything.. so Bruce had 1 monster season in 12 -14?, the edge guess was way off, Taylor had 2 good years out of what 8-10 years now? Monk had 4 total, probably none near top 3 and was an average wr his whole career just consistent.. Not young, just following the rules of the game and not looking up numbers. But people tell me I still look young for my age, so thank you for the compliment.

Better to have guessed and missed, than not to have guessed at all. Bruce actually has 4 top 5's in yardage, including two after Holt arrived (2000, 2004). He also has 4 pro bowl appearances. As an aside, how did Bruce not even make the pro bowl in 1995, let alone an all-pro team? He had 13 td's, had the 6th highest reception total in league history, and the 2nd highest single season receiving yards in league history.

 

[Couch Potato]

Ike Hilliard is another guy that has started a lot of years without a lot of numbers to show for it.

He seems to be a good guess, was he drafted in the top 100 though?

First rounder, believe it or not. And that I DO remember out of this old brain!But now that I think of it, Proehl probably wasn't drafted high enough to qualify.

 

[JKL]

Without looking it up, I'll guess Ricky Proehl as the WR. He was WR3 on some teams, but also started some years and was in the league forever without ever having any great years.

Nope. Unless the team listed 3 starting WR's (instead of say, a FB), those seasons where Proehl was not #1 or #2 wouldn't count in this question. The Answer has started more seasons than both Proehl and Hilliard (although Hilliard is a good guess). Hint: both answers were drafted in the first round

 

[Couch Potato]

Without looking it up, I'll guess Ricky Proehl as the WR. He was WR3 on some teams, but also started some years and was in the league forever without ever having any great years.

Nope. Unless the team listed 3 starting WR's (instead of say, a FB), those seasons where Proehl was not #1 or #2 wouldn't count in this question. The Answer has started more seasons than both Proehl and Hilliard (although Hilliard is a good guess). Hint: both answers were drafted in the first round

Right, I wasn't trying to count Proehl'e WR3 years, but he was in the league so dang long I thought he might have enough starter years sprinkled in there to qualify. Another guess, but he must've been in the league 15+ seasons.*thinking of my next guess*

 

[RavensUNFL]

WR - Eddie Kennison?

RB - Deshaun Foster? Warrick Dunn is possible although without looking I think he probably cracked the top 10 in at least one of those categories.

WR - Maybe Issac Bruce - I know he has been a solid # 2 for a long time, but may have cracked the top 10 prior to Holt.RB - Edge? He seemed more consistent then stud like even early in his career.

Second choices

RB - Fred Taylor

WR - Art Monk (Not positive where he was drafted though)

I'm guessing you're young. All these guys have had some monster seasons.Edge was ranked #1 and #2 in fantasy points his rookie and 2nd seasons.,

Fred was #4 his rookie year and #6 his 3rd year.

Bruce was #2 his 2nd season and had 2-3 other top 10 finishes.

Without looking up Monk, I"m pretty sure he's also had multiple top-10 years.

I know fantasy points wasn't the question, but being top 10 in FP will correlate to top 10 in individual categories.

Actually I was just trying to think of guys that were consistent but not necessarily studs, if you can honestly say you had all those stats off the top of your head, I strongly suggest you find some sports trivia game to win some money. I didn't go look up anything.. so Bruce had 1 monster season in 12 -14?, the edge guess was way off, Taylor had 2 good years out of what 8-10 years now? Monk had 4 total, probably none near top 3 and was an average wr his whole career just consistent.. Not young, just following the rules of the game and not looking up numbers. But people tell me I still look young for my age, so thank you for the compliment.

The "young" comment wasn't meant as a putdown or insult, honest. It's just that I remember those seasons so well (I've been doing FF forever) and knew they would have to be top-10 seasons.Bruce had several top-10 seasons actually. In the pre-Holt days, in years his hammy wasn't giving him trouble, Bruce was a FF monster.

What I looked up was FBG career stats for 3 of the guys you listed to explain their non-qualification. No, I wish my old brain was that good but it isn't! Bruce, for example: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BrucIs00-2.php

And since Monk isn't active, I couldn't look him up there.

But in trying to guess my own answers I"m not looking anything up.

No insult taken - I just don't have the memory (Let's just say 40+) to pull out numbers like that either. I was being serious though if you had skills to drop exact numbers like that.. you are damn good, glad to see it's not just me that has forgotten a lot. I did say i wasn't sure about prior to Holt (But apparently he had a couple good years after also) for Bruce and I just didn't remember the Rams being that strong back then. I guess that was only a few years before they won the SB.

 

[valhallan]

total guesses here...

i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season..

rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

 

[Dirty Weasel]

How about Keith Byars for RB? He was drafted in the first round, and was a hybrid RB/TE.

 

[JKL]

total guesses here...i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season.. rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

nope. Watters did have top tens, so did Smith. He technically doesn't fall within the scope, as an undrafted free agent. However, I suspect the answers would be the same regardless of the draft pick limitation, just haven't checked.The running back in question was better known as a receiving threat. He had four consecutive seasons where he was listed as the primary starter at RB, but had more receiving yards than rushing yards. He never had a top 10 FP finish (his highest being 11th thanks to his receiving numbers), but he did finish somewhere in the top 40 in RB fantasy points for eight consecutive seasons. He currently ranks 43rd all-time in career receptions. He ranks 116th all-time in yards from scrimmage, though he never had more than 577 yards rushing or 819 yards receiving. He was a former first round pick.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Do fullbacks count as running backs?

 

[Couch Potato]

I did say i wasn't sure about prior to Holt (But apparently he had a couple good years after also) for Bruce and I just didn't remember the Rams being that strong back then. I guess that was only a few years before they won the SB.

True story, and one of my favorite FF stories ever: 1995 was Bruce's 2nd year. He did little as a rookie. So we're all sitting around at our live draft, and I have the next-to-last pick of the 20th and final round. Most of the guys are taking a backup defense just as an afterthought, and then packing up and getting ready to leave. I'm about to do the same, but have my magazine open, flipping through it, and just happen to have Bruce's name catch my eye in the Rams team write-up. It caught my eye because that's my first name - Bruce - and I'd never heard of this guy. So just for a laugh I announce to the league I'm drafting Isaac Bruce of the Rams beacause he has my name. It got the laugh I was looking for and we wrapped up the draft.Well, he went off for (and I am looking this up!) 119-1781-13 that year and helped me win the league.

 

[Couch Potato]

total guesses here...i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season.. rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

nope. Watters did have top tens, so did Smith. He technically doesn't fall within the scope, as an undrafted free agent. However, I suspect the answers would be the same regardless of the draft pick limitation, just haven't checked.The running back in question was better known as a receiving threat. He had four consecutive seasons where he was listed as the primary starter at RB, but had more receiving yards than rushing yards. He never had a top 10 FP finish (his highest being 11th thanks to his receiving numbers), but he did finish somewhere in the top 40 in RB fantasy points for eight consecutive seasons. He currently ranks 43rd all-time in career receptions. He ranks 116th all-time in yards from scrimmage, though he never had more than 577 yards rushing or 819 yards receiving. He was a former first round pick.

I think I know who you're talking about... played for BUF and NE in the 90s. I can't remember the guy's name. Caught LOTS of passes... grrr... whatsisname!ETA -- or was it the Cardinals? D'oh!

 

[JKL]

How about Keith Byars for RB? He was drafted in the first round, and was a hybrid RB/TE.

Ding, ding, ding.Byars is listed as the starter for 12 seasons. He played RB the first 5 years of his career in PHI, then switched to FB, and played a hybrid FB/TE role and is listed as the starter in his final year in PHI (1992) but still had 41 rush attempts. He went on to start as a pass catching FB for the AFC East, playing for the Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets.

 

[travdogg]

Sounds a lot like Byars is the RB.

As for the WR, I'll guess Johnnie Morton he satrted from like 96' until 04' and I think he only topped 1,000 yards once.

 

[Couch Potato]

How about Keith Byars for RB? He was drafted in the first round, and was a hybrid RB/TE.

Ding, ding, ding.Byars is listed as the starter for 12 seasons. He played RB the first 5 years of his career in PHI, then switched to FB, and played a hybrid FB/TE role and is listed as the starter in his final year in PHI (1992) but still had 41 rush attempts. He went on to start as a pass catching FB for the AFC East, playing for the Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets.

Nice. Good job, Dirty Weasel.(It's still gonna bug me who this guy is I was thinking of. I'd better go find it)

 

[Road Warriors]

total guesses here...i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season.. rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

nope. Watters did have top tens, so did Smith. He technically doesn't fall within the scope, as an undrafted free agent. However, I suspect the answers would be the same regardless of the draft pick limitation, just haven't checked.The running back in question was better known as a receiving threat. He had four consecutive seasons where he was listed as the primary starter at RB, but had more receiving yards than rushing yards. He never had a top 10 FP finish (his highest being 11th thanks to his receiving numbers), but he did finish somewhere in the top 40 in RB fantasy points for eight consecutive seasons. He currently ranks 43rd all-time in career receptions. He ranks 116th all-time in yards from scrimmage, though he never had more than 577 yards rushing or 819 yards receiving. He was a former first round pick.

Larry Centers?

 

[Couch Potato]

total guesses here...

i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season..

rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

nope. Watters did have top tens, so did Smith. He technically doesn't fall within the scope, as an undrafted free agent. However, I suspect the answers would be the same regardless of the draft pick limitation, just haven't checked.The running back in question was better known as a receiving threat. He had four consecutive seasons where he was listed as the primary starter at RB, but had more receiving yards than rushing yards. He never had a top 10 FP finish (his highest being 11th thanks to his receiving numbers), but he did finish somewhere in the top 40 in RB fantasy points for eight consecutive seasons. He currently ranks 43rd all-time in career receptions. He ranks 116th all-time in yards from scrimmage, though he never had more than 577 yards rushing or 819 yards receiving. He was a former first round pick.

Larry Centers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...tLa00.htm?redirTHAT'S the guy I was trying to remember. THANK YOU! (wrong answer, but thank you anyway )

Cardinals, Redskins, Bills, Pats.

115th pick though

 

[dollarbill13]

I'll guess Keenan McCardell at WR?

 

[Road Warriors]

total guesses here...

i'll say ricky watters.. he had 9 top ten fantasy finishes, but i'm not sure his rushing numbers were ever top 10. it's hard to think of any other backs who started several years without a monster season..

rod smith as the receiver? i think he had one big season though..

nope. Watters did have top tens, so did Smith. He technically doesn't fall within the scope, as an undrafted free agent. However, I suspect the answers would be the same regardless of the draft pick limitation, just haven't checked.The running back in question was better known as a receiving threat. He had four consecutive seasons where he was listed as the primary starter at RB, but had more receiving yards than rushing yards. He never had a top 10 FP finish (his highest being 11th thanks to his receiving numbers), but he did finish somewhere in the top 40 in RB fantasy points for eight consecutive seasons. He currently ranks 43rd all-time in career receptions. He ranks 116th all-time in yards from scrimmage, though he never had more than 577 yards rushing or 819 yards receiving. He was a former first round pick.

Larry Centers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...tLa00.htm?redirTHAT'S the guy I was trying to remember. THANK YOU! (wrong answer, but thank you anyway )

Cardinals, Redskins, Bills, Pats.

Fit the criteria execpt for the draft position... 115th in the 5th round.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'll try Travis Taylor. He was a 1st rounder, always managed to hang around and start... and suck.

Then there's Kevin Dyson... same thing.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Willie Gault?

 

[JKL]

Do fullbacks count as running backs?

In this case, Byars was drafted as a running back, and played running back until switching to FB/TE. If a player was designated as a fullback coming out of college, he wouldn't (shouldn't?) have shown up on the list. However, I will look to see who has the most starting seasons as the primary RB (as opposed to some at FB) without the top 10.

 

[Couch Potato]

Willie Gault?

Hey, I like that guess. He was around a long time, and Bears WRs never put up great #s. He was a Raider too for awhile I think.

 

[JKL]

Willie Gault?

Hand Grenades and Horseshoes. A very good guess. Gault started 9 seasons, so the answer started more than him.Here are some hints:He was a first round pick. He did not start as a rookie, and had only 3 receptions in 14 games that season. He was a primary starter at WR every year thereafter of his career. He played in all 16 games in 8 of his first 9 seasons as a starter, and started at least 12 games every year but his final one in the league. He never had more than 80 catches in any one season, but had at least 50 in eight different seasons. He had four 1,000 yard seasons, but never reached 1,200 in any one season. He is currently 41st in career receptions and 54th in career receiving yards. His best fantasy season was WR18, but he was WR40 or better 9 different times. He never played in a pro bowl. He had two seasons where he led his team in receptions, two where he led in receiving yards/game, and three where he led in receiving yards.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I'll try Desmond Howard. He started as WR, but ended up more as a KR/PR.

 

[FavreCo]

Willie Gault?

Hand Grenades and Horseshoes. A very good guess. Gault started 9 seasons, so the answer started more than him.Here are some hints:He was a first round pick. He did not start as a rookie, and had only 3 receptions in 14 games that season. He was a primary starter at WR every year thereafter of his career. He played in all 16 games in 8 of his first 9 seasons as a starter, and started at least 12 games every year but his final one in the league. He never had more than 80 catches in any one season, but had at least 50 in eight different seasons. He had four 1,000 yard seasons, but never reached 1,200 in any one season. He is currently 41st in career receptions and 54th in career receiving yards. His best fantasy season was WR18, but he was WR40 or better 9 different times. He never played in a pro bowl. He had two seasons where he led his team in receptions, two where he led in receiving yards/game, and three where he led in receiving yards.

Someone already said Johnnie Morton

 

[King of the Wolfies]

tim brown?

 

[JKL]

Sounds a lot like Byars is the RB.As for the WR, I'll guess Johnnie Morton he satrted from like 96' until 04' and I think he only topped 1,000 yards once.

Correct. Sorry I skipped over you and didn't see this earlier (thanks, FavreCo)

 

[FavreCo]

Sounds a lot like Byars is the RB.As for the WR, I'll guess Johnnie Morton he satrted from like 96' until 04' and I think he only topped 1,000 yards once.

Correct. Sorry I skipped over you and didn't see this earlier (thanks, FavreCo)

np.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Keenan McCardell?

my bad...not a first round pick

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Andre Rison

Curtis Conway

Al Toon

 

[JKL]

The correct answers are

RB--Keith Byars

WR--Johnnie Morton

The only WR's drafted in the top 100 since 1978 who have started 10 or more seasons and never made a pro bowl are Eddie Kennison, Johnnie Morton, Joey Galloway, Bill Brooks and Curtis Conway.

At the risk of starting Doug Drinen on a rant, I'll just question why Galloway is on that list. If Fred Taylor got the career achievement pro bowl appearance this year, I think Galloway is deserving next year. He should have made it some time in the last few years.

 

[Rip517]

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