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Troupe in HOF Company (1 Viewer)

LHUCKS

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Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.)

Have a look at some of the HOFers on this list...

1 Chris Cooley te 2005 23 2 16 71 774 10.90 7 119.40 2 Ben Troupe te 2005 23 2 15 55 530 9.64 4 77.00 3 Antonio Gates te 2004 24 2 15 81 964 11.90 13 174.40 4 Jason Witten te 2004 22 2 16 87 980 11.26 6 134.00 5 Todd Heap te 2002 22 2 16 68 836 12.29 6 123.40 6 Jeremy Shockey te 2002 22 1 15 74 894 12.08 2 101.40 7 Tony Gonzalez te 1998 22 2 16 59 621 10.53 2 74.10 8 Freddie Jones te 1998 24 2 16 57 602 10.56 3 78.20 9 Keith Jackson te 1989 24 2 14 63 648 10.29 3 82.80 10 Keith Jackson te 1988 23 1 16 81 869 10.73 6 122.90 11 Mark Bavaro te 1986 23 2 16 66 1001 15.17 4 124.10 12 Joe Senser te 1981 25 2 16 79 1004 12.71 8 148.40 13 Dan Ross te 1980 23 2 16 56 724 12.93 4 96.40 14 Kellen Winslow te 1980 23 2 16 89 1290 14.49 9 183.00 15 Paul Coffman te 1979 23 2 16 56 711 12.70 4 95.10 16 Ozzie Newsome te 1979 23 2 16 55 781 14.20 9 132.70 17 Charle Young te 1974 23 2 14 63 696 11.05 3 87.60 18 Charle Young te 1973 22 1 14 55 854 15.53 6 121.40 19 Bob Tucker te 1971 26 2 12 59 791 13.41 4 103.10 20 Dave Parks te 1965 24 2 14 80 1344 16.80 12 206.40 21 Mike Ditka te 1962 23 2 14 58 904 15.59 5 120.40 22 Mike Ditka te 1961 22 1 14 56 1076 19.21 12 179.60 23 Dave Kocourek te 1961 24 2 14 55 1055 19.18 4 129.50Cooley, Gates, Witten and Shockey are in an even more elite class as they are part of a group of 8 to have 70+ receptions in years 1 or 2.Sure the comparisons are a bit skewed since offenses are throwing to their TEs in record numbers, nonetheless Troupe being taken as roughly the 13th TE off the board seems to present a bit of value.

In a recent "expert draft" Troupe was taken as the 110th player off the board in a 2ppr league for TEs. :shock:

 
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Ben Troupe, Ben Watson, Kellen Winslow etc etc etc. Nice young sleeper TEs. And haven't even mentioned the rookie crop.
Agreed. The last 2 years I took TEs early (Gonzo in the 3rd and Shockey in the late 5th). But this year, I think I'd rather grab 2 of the younger TEs later in the draft and use that higher round pick on a WR or RB (assuming the value is there).Troupe is one of the guys I like a lot because of his talent and the TE-friendly Norm Chow offense.

 
He's a great value at 13 IMO.

Not HOF, but a very solid #1 TE.
I don't think he is a solid #1 at all. He is just a #1. In a 12 team league, anyone after 6 is below average. I would prefer Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Witten, Crumpler, Shockey, Cooley and maybe McMichael. Everyone there save McMichael is a cut above Troupe. LJ Smith, Heath Miller and Jeremy Stevens are similiar. Ben Watson will likely produce similiar numbers give the lack of wr's in NE. I think if you want value from a Tennessee TE you want Kinney or maybe pick up Scaife off the waiver wire after Troupe or Kinney misses time.
 
Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.)
We need to remember this when folks talk about young TEs. nice research LHucks
 
He's a great value at 13 IMO.

Not HOF, but a very solid #1 TE.
I don't think he is a solid #1 at all. He is just a #1. In a 12 team league, anyone after 6 is below average. I would prefer Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Witten, Crumpler, Shockey, Cooley and maybe McMichael. Everyone there save McMichael is a cut above Troupe. LJ Smith, Heath Miller and Jeremy Stevens are similiar. Ben Watson will likely produce similiar numbers give the lack of wr's in NE. I think if you want value from a Tennessee TE you want Kinney or maybe pick up Scaife off the waiver wire after Troupe or Kinney misses time.
Solid #1 to me means top 12. Maybe that's below average #1, but when I saw solid I mean a player I won't mind having as my #1. If I load up at the other positions first, I don't mind a below average starter at TE. If solid to you means above average, fine. It's semantics.Troupe was the #10 TE in my league last year. I see him improving, top 5 potential. I don't see him slipping.

 
Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.) 
We need to remember this when folks talk about young TEs. nice research LHucks
None of them had less yards or lower YPC than Troupe.
 
He's a great value at 13 IMO.

Not HOF, but a very solid #1 TE.
I don't think he is a solid #1 at all. He is just a #1. In a 12 team league, anyone after 6 is below average. I would prefer Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Witten, Crumpler, Shockey, Cooley and maybe McMichael. Everyone there save McMichael is a cut above Troupe. LJ Smith, Heath Miller and Jeremy Stevens are similiar. Ben Watson will likely produce similiar numbers give the lack of wr's in NE. I think if you want value from a Tennessee TE you want Kinney or maybe pick up Scaife off the waiver wire after Troupe or Kinney misses time.
Solid #1 to me means top 12. Maybe that's below average #1, but when I saw solid I mean a player I won't mind having as my #1. If I load up at the other positions first, I don't mind a below average starter at TE. If solid to you means above average, fine. It's semantics.Troupe was the #10 TE in my league last year. I see him improving, top 5 potential. I don't see him slipping.
To me, average means average. He is not an average starting TE, nor do I think he will be.
 
He's a great value at 13 IMO.

Not HOF, but a very solid #1 TE.
I don't think he is a solid #1 at all. He is just a #1. In a 12 team league, anyone after 6 is below average. I would prefer Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Witten, Crumpler, Shockey, Cooley and maybe McMichael. Everyone there save McMichael is a cut above Troupe. LJ Smith, Heath Miller and Jeremy Stevens are similiar. Ben Watson will likely produce similiar numbers give the lack of wr's in NE. I think if you want value from a Tennessee TE you want Kinney or maybe pick up Scaife off the waiver wire after Troupe or Kinney misses time.
Solid #1 to me means top 12. Maybe that's below average #1, but when I saw solid I mean a player I won't mind having as my #1. If I load up at the other positions first, I don't mind a below average starter at TE. If solid to you means above average, fine. It's semantics.Troupe was the #10 TE in my league last year. I see him improving, top 5 potential. I don't see him slipping.
To me, average means average. He is not an average starting TE, nor do I think he will be.
:shrug: Is he or is he not a #1 TE if he ranks #11 for the year and #10 in points per game?
 
Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.)
We need to remember this when folks talk about young TEs. nice research LHucks
Yeah, but 6 of those were in the last 4 years -- and 4 in the last 2 seasons. That suggests young TEs are getting involved much more than previously...
 
He's a great value at 13 IMO.

Not HOF, but a very solid #1 TE.
I don't think he is a solid #1 at all. He is just a #1. In a 12 team league, anyone after 6 is below average. I would prefer Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Witten, Crumpler, Shockey, Cooley and maybe McMichael. Everyone there save McMichael is a cut above Troupe. LJ Smith, Heath Miller and Jeremy Stevens are similiar. Ben Watson will likely produce similiar numbers give the lack of wr's in NE. I think if you want value from a Tennessee TE you want Kinney or maybe pick up Scaife off the waiver wire after Troupe or Kinney misses time.
Solid #1 to me means top 12. Maybe that's below average #1, but when I saw solid I mean a player I won't mind having as my #1. If I load up at the other positions first, I don't mind a below average starter at TE. If solid to you means above average, fine. It's semantics.Troupe was the #10 TE in my league last year. I see him improving, top 5 potential. I don't see him slipping.
To me, average means average. He is not an average starting TE, nor do I think he will be.
:shrug: Is he or is he not a #1 TE if he ranks #11 for the year and #10 in points per game?
Yes, he is a below average TE 1. I think people overate top 10-12 players at positions where you start only one. This is not like saying a top 12 rb or a top 12 wr. An average TE1 in a start 1 TE league is in the 5-7 range. If you have wr 10, that means 9 guys probably have a TE better than you and only 2 guys have a worse TE. That is neither solid or average to me. What is so hard about that?
 
Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.) 
We need to remember this when folks talk about young TEs. nice research LHucks
Yeah, but 6 of those were in the last 4 years -- and 4 in the last 2 seasons. That suggests young TEs are getting involved much more than previously...
of course they are and you just added something here. Lhucks' stat plus yours...they all add up to predicting production better IMO. Thanks
 
Only 20 different TEs have had 55+ receptions in their second season...Troupe did it in just 15 games officially (really more like 14.) 
We need to remember this when folks talk about young TEs. nice research LHucks
None of them had less yards or lower YPC than Troupe.
Need to remember that he played all year at a max of 75%..his foot really hampered him, and he didnt nearly have the speed or agility that he did as a rookie.
 
I think changing face of the TE position is part of the reason all of the guys at the top of recent players. You'll probably see Vernon Davis, and maybe even Heath Miller or Alex Smith on the list soon. Pretty soon, this won't be a rare accomplishment.

 
I don't get this thread. Ben Troupe didn't play in the Pac-10. How could he be this good without playing in the Pac-10?

 
the `soon-to-be-official` release of McNair might seriously hurt Troupe's value this year..I'm probably looking elsewhere for a legit TE in '06.

great talent, but his numbers will take a hit with Volek, Leinart, Young, et al.

 
the `soon-to-be-official` release of McNair might seriously hurt Troupe's value this year..I'm probably looking elsewhere for a legit TE in '06.

great talent, but his numbers will take a hit with Volek, Leinart, Young, et al.
But isn't the convential wisdom that a young QB, if it is a rookie starting, helps the TE since he tends to rely on his "safety valve" is passing situations?
 
the `soon-to-be-official` release of McNair might seriously hurt Troupe's value this year..I'm probably looking elsewhere for a legit TE in '06.

great talent, but his numbers will take a hit with Volek, Leinart, Young, et al.
But isn't the convential wisdom that a young QB, if it is a rookie starting, helps the TE since he tends to rely on his "safety valve" is passing situations?
Yes, but I think that in general that tends to be the older, more experienced TE who can see that the young QB needs a quick safety valve. Troupe may perform that, but I would guess that Kinney would benefit more from that situation.
 
the `soon-to-be-official` release of McNair might seriously hurt Troupe's value this year..I'm probably looking elsewhere for a legit TE in '06.

great talent, but his numbers will take a hit with Volek, Leinart, Young, et al.
But isn't the convential wisdom that a young QB, if it is a rookie starting, helps the TE since he tends to rely on his "safety valve" is passing situations?
Yes, but I think that in general that tends to be the older, more experienced TE who can see that the young QB needs a quick safety valve. Troupe may perform that, but I would guess that Kinney would benefit more from that situation.
But it is also a result offensive plays being called for the young QB with only one or two reads, in addition to a TE breaking a route for his QB under duress. For example, your TE runs a quick flair... throw it to him.These type of play calls may get Troupe/Kinney more looks over all with a young QB, not that Chow didn't have a propensity to call these plays already.

 
This was certainly eye opening, as I wasn't really thinking about Troupe at all.

TE field appears to be adding depth every year... Meaning securing a Tony G is not as advantageous as previous years.

 
the `soon-to-be-official` release of McNair might seriously hurt Troupe's value this year..I'm probably looking elsewhere for a legit TE in '06.

great talent, but his numbers will take a hit with Volek, Leinart, Young, et al.
But isn't the convential wisdom that a young QB, if it is a rookie starting, helps the TE since he tends to rely on his "safety valve" is passing situations?
Yes, but I think that in general that tends to be the older, more experienced TE who can see that the young QB needs a quick safety valve. Troupe may perform that, but I would guess that Kinney would benefit more from that situation.
But it is also a result offensive plays being called for the young QB with only one or two reads, in addition to a TE breaking a route for his QB under duress. For example, your TE runs a quick flair... throw it to him.These type of play calls may get Troupe/Kinney more looks over all with a young QB, not that Chow didn't have a propensity to call these plays already.
Very true although I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the Titans were going to try to get away from throwing to their TEs so much this year. Either way, Troupe is certainly a very good option.

 

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