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Troy Polamalu (1 Viewer)
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TheChairman
Footballguy
Mark Murphy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ronnie Lot
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Adrian Wilson
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Dawkins was pretty good.
Lynch, too.
Polomalu is likely better than both, though.
I was thinking **** Lane, but he was a cornerback, no?
Lynch, too.
Polomalu is likely better than both, though.
I was thinking **** Lane, but he was a cornerback, no?
spider321
Footballguy
How "great" would he be if it weren't for the hair and playing for the biggest bandwagon in sports(other than the Yankees, of course)?
He's a top-notch safety but I'm not convinced he's any better than Reed, Wilson, Dawkins, etc. were in their prime years.
He's a top-notch safety but I'm not convinced he's any better than Reed, Wilson, Dawkins, etc. were in their prime years.
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ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Not even the best of his time. If Wilson didn't play in football Siberia, he'd be gushed over.
TheDemon
Footballguy
No doubt. BTW, 12 Team IDP Dynasty Start QB, RB, RB/WR, RB/WR, WR, WR, 3 IDP, K 1 OT(overtime) spot in case of tie = any position All TD's = 6pts10 yds = 1 pt (INCLUDES kick/punt return yds) QB - Matt Schaub, Matt Stafford(OT spot), Kevin Kolb, Jimmy Clausen RB - Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Matt Forte, DeAngelo Williams, LeGarrette Blount, Donald Brown, Deji Karim WR - DeSean Jackson, Michael Crabtree, Jermichael Finley, Marques Colston, Kenny Britt, Steve Smith(NYG), Josh Cribbs K - Rob Bironas D - Jerod Mayo, Bryan McCann, Jorrick Calvin
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buck naked
Footballguy
This. Exactly.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
.....the dawn of time.
Glad someone else has their head on straight. Adrian Wilson is superbly underrated.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Alot of guys are down apparently. Harrison too.
dgreen
Footballguy
Did Jesus play safety?
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
the brief moments Bob Sanders has played he's been awesome...........he was good enuff to win DPOY. Reed and Sanders do have DPOY trophies and Troy doesn't so.............
only got to see Rod Woodson at safety in the last stage of his career but that last stage was incredible.
IMHO one of the most underrated safeties of my generation(i say that but he did make 7or 8pro bowls) is Steve Atwater. Steve and MEAST go down as most feared safeties since Lott. as a niners fan i hate to say Leroy Butler was very very good as well
only got to see Rod Woodson at safety in the last stage of his career but that last stage was incredible.
IMHO one of the most underrated safeties of my generation(i say that but he did make 7or 8pro bowls) is Steve Atwater. Steve and MEAST go down as most feared safeties since Lott. as a niners fan i hate to say Leroy Butler was very very good as well
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
ODoyleRules
Footballguy
Don Hutson
Troy's '08 season >>>>>>> any season Bob Sanders has ever had, including his DPOTY season. Just from a statistical standpoint, it's not even worth arguing. And then you throw in that Troy had the pick 6 that sealed the AFC Championship, and it's a no brainer. Harrison got the glory with the sacks and forced fumbles (and don't get me wrong, he was an absolute monster that year), but Polamalu may have been the best player in football that season. Just absurdly good.
For me, it's definitely Reed and Polamalu in a tier below/approaching Ronnie Lott, then everyone else. I have a hard time comparing Reed and Polamalu because they simply play different positions and aren't really asked to do the same thing. Reed is one of the best centerfielders of all time, and I've never seen anyone as dangerous as he is on an INT return. In his first few years, he started out in Troy's role, but he couldn't hold up physically and rarely makes plays at the LOS. Still a huge threat and game changer though.
But Polamalu is asked to do everything and anything. From blitzing the A gap, to having deep coverage 30 yards down field, to covering elite receivers like Larry Fitzgerald in press coverage (like he did in the first half against the Cardinals in the SB), to taking on offensive tackles and full backs at the LOS... he does it all and it's really not some over-hyped exaggeration. Probably my favorite player in the NFL to watch because of his pure fearlessness. He's such an instinctually great player and I don't know if anyone has the type of closing speed he does. I mean, can anyone else in the NFL do this?
Closing Speed
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Only 1 or two games before they realized he was better suited to play CB. So, I didn't count him. And don't give me Moses either - after they busted him parting the offensive line so he could get to the QB untouched, he was never the same. Wouldn't even consider him Pro Bowl caliber after the rule change.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
This wasn't bad either - same gameI was at that game, and it was a shame he got badly hurt because to that point, he was playing maybe the best game I've ever seen played by a DB.
this. and he may even be better.polamalu>reed bc hes more versatile at stopping the run and blitzing. ofc, you could give reed some bonus points for his kick return ability.
spider321
Footballguy
Give me a f'in break.
dgreen
Footballguy
Reed is no slouch at blitzing. Polamalu has 8 career sacks (105 games) to Reed's 5 in 124 games. I don't see how that helps put Polamalu over the top here. You can say Polamalu is better against the run, but Reed is the superior (by a decent margin) player against the pass.
Carver
Footballguy
You obviously did not see Ronnie Lott play football.
Carver
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
I'm a big Atwater fan, but IMO Polamalu is better. Atwater's game was different - he wasn't as rangy, he was basically a 4th (or 5th) LB. He was fantastic in run support and laying the wood to any WR's that crossed into his area, but Polamalu jsut seems to have a knack for being in the right place at the right time. He's more of a ball-hawker than Atwater ever was.I think the stats would bear that out - Atwater has more tackles, Polamalu has more ints and probably passes defended.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Troy has the more complete game, but stats don't tell the whole story with anyone, especially safeties.
DepthCharts
Footballguy
Kenny Easley?
Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu play the same position in fairly different ways. Both exemplify (and in a lot of ways are better) Ronnie Lott's abilities but neither are the absolute all around player Lott was. Reed is possibly the best ball hawking safety in NFL history. Polamalu might be the best play stopping safety in the NFL right now. Lott was both for a long period of time.
Adebisi
Footballguy
Please break down for us how Polamalu and/or Reed are/were "in a lot of ways better" than Ronnie Lott. I am particularly interested in what "play stopping" means. TIA.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
He's certainly better at swishily "rapping."urbanhack said:Gary Fencik
That's like comparing sack numbers between a OLB and an ILB. Reed is a pure center field free safety who lays back, reads the QBs eyes, and makes plays on the ball. That's his job for the Ravens D. I'm not saying Reed isn't a better center fielder than Troy, but Polamalu's job isn't that clear cut. Like I said, I've seen plays where Lebeau has him blitz the A gap. Where here's lined up just over the nose tackle and then sprinted back 20 yards at the snap for a deep zone responsibility. He's lined up in man press coverage against Larry Fitzgerald in the SB. I saw him come on a blitz against the Colts in the playoff game and knock Jeff Saturday 3-4 yards back into the pocket... taking Saturday and the LG to the ground on what was a sack on Manning. He's one of the most unique talents I've ever watched in the NFL... when he's healthy, he's a special, special player.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think Ronnie Lott was the best ever, but I personally would take Ed Reed over Troy Polamalu. Ed Reed's ability to make interceptions and take them back to the house is phenominal.Again, we're living in now world, so people tend to side towards the athlete playing now or in their prime now.It's why Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.....today since the awful 2 weeks Manning has had and the two phenominal weeks Brady just had. 6 weeks ago the board thought Peyton Manning was better than Brady. Next year when Manning has 45 Td's, of course Manning will be better, it's like a living body, and what have you done for me lately.Gun to my head without hesitation, I take Ed Reed in his prime over Troy Polamalu.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I was going to write this almost word for word.shader said:
coolnerd
Footballguy
Ed Reed isn't Ed Reed anymore either. I think league wide, that safety is the worst played position in the NFL. I don't think that there ae more than 10 or so (both SS and FS) that are above average players. The spread and enforcement of hitting have made in the box guys a largely a relic and any DB with true ball skills all seem to find their way to CB.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Leroy Butler was All-pro four times. Ed Reed has been an All-pro six times.
Polamalu is still at two. He's not even the best of his era.
Polamalu is still at two. He's not even the best of his era.
These type of threads are generally only good for the video clips - that Tenn game was ridiculous for example.
One thing unique about Troy.
He is certainly near the equal of Lott/Atwater in run support - he is also pretty good against the pass and has made quite a few ridiculous interceptions - and taken them back/close to back. The 'hand barely under the ball in the cold' one in particular. And - he can blitz from anywhere.
I don't think the other guys have quite that much skill in all those areas.
What I really like is his knack for doing it when it's most needed. I swear I EXPECTED him to make something happen Sunday night. It's happened enough that's it's not lucky or coincidence.
In the end though - he's a guy every coach/GM regrets passing on - and the Hall of Fame has room for more than just 1 great safety.
Sugg's quote sums it up. "I saw the hair at the LOS - I hope somebody has a plan'
One thing unique about Troy.
He is certainly near the equal of Lott/Atwater in run support - he is also pretty good against the pass and has made quite a few ridiculous interceptions - and taken them back/close to back. The 'hand barely under the ball in the cold' one in particular. And - he can blitz from anywhere.
I don't think the other guys have quite that much skill in all those areas.
What I really like is his knack for doing it when it's most needed. I swear I EXPECTED him to make something happen Sunday night. It's happened enough that's it's not lucky or coincidence.
In the end though - he's a guy every coach/GM regrets passing on - and the Hall of Fame has room for more than just 1 great safety.
Sugg's quote sums it up. "I saw the hair at the LOS - I hope somebody has a plan'
