Troy Williamson (1 Viewer)

[salmonstud]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

 

[Gargoylez]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

We were yelling "Get him off the field, who does he think he is... Josh Reed."

 

[JuniorNB]

If the drops remain a problem, I'd be concerned, but I liked what I saw as far as number of targets.

I think that most people wondered who was going to be the Vikings number one, between M. Robinson, Travis Taylor and Williamson.

I think that Brad Johnson gave us the clear cut answer to that.

 

[bonesman]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

he may be exaggerating a bit... but the kid didn't seem to have the instincts for catching the ball... which is alarming

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

he may be exaggerating a bit... but the kid didn't seem to have the instincts for catching the ball... which is alarming

I think Troy will make a wonderful Ashley Lelie honestly.

 

[Banger]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

but he's CLEARLY the best most talented wideout they have and seems to get open at will. When the game was on the line Johnson threw to him and Williamson picked up some key 1st downs. I was encouraged by the fact that it looked like the Vikes gameplan was to suck the defense in with the run and go for bombs, connecting on one, almost for a TD, and just missing a few others. Williamson will be like Lee Evans last year and have some huge games due to his long distance TD's.

 

[jafo]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

This guy could be something special but he really needs to learn how to catch the ball. I couldn't believe the drops, they went right through his arms. I don't own him in any leagues, but he is a guy I'm going to keep my eyes on.

 

[Kleck.]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

he may be exaggerating a bit... but the kid didn't seem to have the instincts for catching the ball... which is alarming

I think Troy will make a wonderful Ashley Lelie honestly.

 

[Banger]

Glad to know no one is suffering from week 1 overreaction.

he may be exaggerating a bit... but the kid didn't seem to have the instincts for catching the ball... which is alarming

I think Troy will make a wonderful Ashley Lelie honestly.

except Troy will be a #1 wr

 

[Tau837]

I definitely think you guys are overreacting. I saw two drops. The first, on a deep throw, was definitely terrible... should have been caught and may have been a TD. But on the second one, while the ball did hit him in the hands, it was slightly behind him. Were there others?

 

[goonsquad]

My favorite was the one that hit him directly in the face.

 

[delusional]

Nerves, thats all.

 

[a_rackowski]

I definitely think you guys are overreacting. I saw two drops. The first, on a deep throw, was definitely terrible... should have been caught and may have been a TD. But on the second one, while the ball did hit him in the hands, it was slightly behind him. Were there others?

Finally - some sense!

 

[Banger]

I definitely think you guys are overreacting. I saw two drops. The first, on a deep throw, was definitely terrible... should have been caught and may have been a TD. But on the second one, while the ball did hit him in the hands, it was slightly behind him. Were there others?

I think one hit him in the facemask as he was falling but the announcers seemed to think he lost his footing. I know he only caught 4 balls but does anyone have his # of targets? I would guess it was around 8-9.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Nerves, thats all.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I definitely think you guys are overreacting. I saw two drops. The first, on a deep throw, was definitely terrible... should have been caught and may have been a TD. But on the second one, while the ball did hit him in the hands, it was slightly behind him. Were there others?

He had 2 of the ugliest drops I've seen in awhile. Right in his hands, no excuse. A third play where he probably wasn't credited with a drop, he was coming back for the ball and it hit him the helmet. Most NFL WRs make that play. He was clearly the go-to guy so that's a plus, but another game like that and I have to think he's gonna be riding pine.

 

[PMENFAN]

I definitely think you guys are overreacting. I saw two drops. The first, on a deep throw, was definitely terrible... should have been caught and may have been a TD. But on the second one, while the ball did hit him in the hands, it was slightly behind him. Were there others?

I think one hit him in the facemask as he was falling but the announcers seemed to think he lost his footing. I know he only caught 4 balls but does anyone have his # of targets? I would guess it was around 8-9.

I have him. I had 9 targets. Anybody? Plus you've got the return potential, though I've got to belive they take that away if he's their #1 WR. Somebody mentioned. He seemed to get open at will. And, on the deep one he dropped. He just pulled away from the defender while the ball was in the air. He looked like a specilal kind of talent. Two drops, on a big stage. Reason for concern, but not a reason to quit on a second year guy that has a mountain of upside, that I drafted as my WR4, to go along w/ Torry Holt, Matt Jones and Derrick Mason. I'm happy w/ the potential for my team. I lost this week, but I'm optomistic.

 

[snogger]

People.. geez, overreact much?

First year as the #1 WR..

Yes, he is a 2nd year player. But with the way Tice "used" him last year this is truly his first year being more than a #3, #4 or #5 WR.

11 or 12 targets means he will be getting a lot of looks.

Yes, IF he continues to drop the ball, then by all means tear him new one.

But for now, lets sit back and see if this was a one game blip or a hint of things to come.

Oh btw, if any of you over-reactors are in my leagues feel free to drop him to waivers, I can find room for him.

TIA

 

[snogger]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

BTW.. when the Vikes were driving for the winning FG and it was 3rd down.. Who did Brad throw to??You really think if Brad or the team had no confidence they would have targeted him with the game on the line?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That's all well and good snogger.

But I've never seen Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, etc. ever drop a ball.

 

[salmonstud]

I realize that I'm overreacting a bit....but what concerned me is fundamentals. In my job (psychologist) you won't see me start a session by saying "Hey...you look depressed...get over it already!" A WR should at least make an attempt to catch the ball with his hands....not the old basket catch. He was repeatedly trying to catch the ball with his body....and the ball that bounced off his face was just too funny. If I was payed millions of dollars to catch the ball....I would have to think I would at least try to catch the ball with my hands....which is what you are taught from age 12. Williamson has all world speed & moves in the open field.....but hands of stone. I'm sure he would do great on reverses (no catching required).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

....and the ball that bounced off his face was just too funny.

He had to come back in his route as the ball was thrown behind him and he was falling as it hit him.

 

[Keepers]

Personally was impressed with Williamson yesterday. He had a lot of targets and twice got open behind the secondary ... the guy has great speed and does not shy away from contact. He made a great play to get the 3rd down on the winning field goal drive and to then also get a face mask tacked on.

On the 1st deep ball he made a great adjustment, if he didn't have to adjust he would have been gone. The 2nd deep pass was a tough catch, it was directly over his head and very close to his body & helmet so he couldn't extend his arms. Yes, an NFL player should make that catch but it wasn't a gimme. Think the 2nd drop was the easier catch, it was a little behind him but not seriously.

 

[BIGDAL88]

Got 'em in my suicide league.....I was also pleased with the targets and looks he received from BJ....I can see him going 70-90 yards and picking a TD in each divisional game...pretty decent value for the money....

 

[salmonstud]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

BTW.. when the Vikes were driving for the winning FG and it was 3rd down.. Who did Brad throw to??You really think if Brad or the team had no confidence they would have targeted him with the game on the line?

Brad just felt sorry for him . Actually, I went to bed at the start of the 4th quarter. I bet Brad was saying over and over in his head while the ball was in the air "catch it with your hands, catch it with your hands, catch it with your hands"

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

but he's CLEARLY the best most talented wideout they have and seems to get open at will. When the game was on the line Johnson threw to him and Williamson picked up some key 1st downs. I was encouraged by the fact that it looked like the Vikes gameplan was to suck the defense in with the run and go for bombs, connecting on one, almost for a TD, and just missing a few others.

Williamson will be like Lee Evans last year and have some huge games due to his long distance TD's.

Emphasis added. I agree.

 

[snogger]

That's all well and good snogger.But I've never seen Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, etc. ever drop a ball.

Yea, but they used stick'em.

 

[snogger]

....and the ball that bounced off his face was just too funny.

He had to come back in his route as the ball was thrown behind him and he was falling as it hit him.

But, shhhhh,, he's on a roll.

 

[snogger]

really, if you want to go after an over paid piece of crap go here:

Jerry Porter

 

[BlueOnion]

4 catches for 77 yards isn't bad....but he should have had around 150 & a TD. I found myself screaming...catch the ball with your hands! I drafted Williamson in multiple leagues. The Vikings wanted to get him the ball & went to him early & often. He had 2 consecutive passes that he tried to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands. The first was a bomb that would have went for 50 yards & possibly a TD. Both balls hit him right on the hands. After 2 perfect passes dropped....Johnson stayed away from him for the next quarter....& who could blame him? Williamson looks like another receiver with great moves & speed but hands of stone.

So are you going to drop him or are you just blowing smoke here?Troy had two drops, two more drops than one is allocated as a #1 wide receiver. However he was getting open, getting looks and getting targets. I suspect the Troy's dropsy will be rectified.

 

[msommer]

Those were som ugly ### drops, but some beautiful receptions as well.

Overall I was happy with the performance, and relieved that his numbers were not worse. After all, several respected posters here wrote him off last year as a one trick pony.

I'd be very surprised if he does not improve from this game and soon.

 

[salmonstud]

So are you going to drop him or are you just blowing smoke here?

Troy had two drops, two more drops than one is allocated as a #1 wide receiver. However he was getting open, getting looks and getting targets. I suspect the Troy's dropsy will be rectified.

I'll hold on to him for a few weeks.....but those dropped balls were horrible & his frequent going for the basket catch is concerning to say the least. Someone has to be the go to guy in Minny....but a few more dropsies like that & T.Taylor will get more targets regardless if Williamson is open or not.

 

[BlueOnion]

I'll hold on to him for a few weeks.....but those dropped balls were horrible & his frequent going for the basket catch is concerning to say the least. Someone has to be the go to guy in Minny....but a few more dropsies like that & T.Taylor will get more targets regardless if Williamson is open or not.

I wouldn't get to concerned over 1 game, players such as T.O. have had a great career despite having stone-hands.

 

[amnesiac]

few thoughts.

first, i can commiserate with the op, after that ball that bounced off of Braylon's hands for an interception at the end of the Browns game.

i think there were a lot of good counterpoints here though: first start as #1 WR, ability to get open in the first place (half the battle, there.), etc.

i remember reading that WRs, especially at a new position, are spending so much time thinking about their routes, they can easily lose focus on catching the ball. hopefully once he gets that stuff down, he can concentrate on catching a little more.

also on the basket-catch thing, obviously you prefer a pure hand-catcher, but i've noticed a lot of productive recievers aren't the most natural ball-catchers when you stop to look at them.

(i obviously drafted Williamson a bit too early in my keeper this year.)

 

[KGB]

To be fair, one did hit him in the face.

 

[BlueOnion]

To be fair, one did hit him in the face.

I believe the ball bounced off the ground before it hit Williamson (as he dove) in the face.

 

[salmonstud]

To be fair, one did hit him in the face.

I believe the ball bounced off the ground before it hit Williamson (as he dove) in the face.

I believe that you believe incorrectly. It smacked him on the face mask without hitting the ground.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

To be fair, one did hit him in the face.

I believe the ball bounced off the ground before it hit Williamson (as he dove) in the face.

I believe that you believe incorrectly. It smacked him on the face mask without hitting the ground.

Hello? :tap: :tap: Is this thing on?

 

[BlueOnion]

To be fair, one did hit him in the face.

I believe the ball bounced off the ground before it hit Williamson (as he dove) in the face.

I believe that you believe incorrectly. It smacked him on the face mask without hitting the ground.

Yeah, it did not hit the ground. Did it hit his hands first and then bounce up into his face mask?

 

[valhallan]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

 

[salmonstud]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

Can I get an Amen?!

 

[snogger]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

2nd year in the league. Played very little last year.. He is about as raw talent for a 2nd year player as you will get. Starting your first game as the #1 WR in the National Spotlight had to be a little nerve racking.Add in the fact Brad Johnson didn't seem to remember there were other WR's on the team till the 2nd half and the pressure was on.

I, like most, should give him a pass this game.. If it continues then I'll be right there ..

But for now... Pressure gets to the best of them.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The thing that was IMPRESSIVE about him was that catch on the final drive where Taylor facemasked him.

He knew where the 1st down marker was and caught the ball there. I can't believe the number of "experienced" WRs that get caught 1 yard short of the first.

Also, I loved how he fought through the tackle to get extra yards.

 

[valhallan]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

2nd year in the league.

C'mon... I seriously hope you're not implying he should be given a pass for screwing up a pee-wee football fundamental simply because it's only his 2nd year as a professional.

I, like most, should give him a pass this game.. If it continues then I'll be right there ..

Agreed. I'm not going to drop the guy. It's just more alarming to see a guy drop a ball because he's trying to catch with his body than it would be if he simply muffed it with his hands. The latter is a mental error, the former is a fundamental error which has the potential to be a long term problem.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

2nd year in the league.

C'mon... I seriously hope you're not implying he should be given a pass for screwing up a pee-wee football fundamental simply because it's only his 2nd year as a professional.

I, like most, should give him a pass this game.. If it continues then I'll be right there ..

Agreed. I'm not going to drop the guy. It's just more alarming to see a guy drop a ball because he's trying to catch with his body than it would be if he simply muffed it with his hands. The latter is a mental error, the former is a fundamental error which has the potential to be a long term problem.

LOTS, and by that I mean MOST, receivers catch the ball with their body in some fashion.

 

[BlueOnion]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

2nd year in the league.

C'mon... I seriously hope you're not implying he should be given a pass for screwing up a pee-wee football fundamental simply because it's only his 2nd year as a professional.

I still give T.O. a pass for this.FYI - I still think Mike Vrabel of the Patriots has better hands than T.O.

 

[valhallan]

LOTS, and by that I mean MOST, receivers catch the ball with their body in some fashion.

Hopefully you're trying to have an intelligent discourse with this comment. Of course many receivers use their body in the process of making a catch, but we're talking about the case when there's the option to extend and catch with the hands, rather than letting the ball drop into your breadbasket. Every receiver coach worth his salt at every level of football stresses making the catch with your hands whenever possible. Troy didn't do that on two critical occasions last night, so I just think it's worth noting.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

LOTS, and by that I mean MOST, receivers catch the ball with their body in some fashion.

Hopefully you're trying to have an intelligent discourse with this comment. Of course many receivers use their body in the process of making a catch, but we're talking about the case when there's the option to extend and catch with the hands, rather than letting the ball drop into your breadbasket. Every receiver coach worth his salt at every level of football stresses making the catch with your hands whenever possible. Troy didn't do that on two critical occasions last night, so I just think it's worth noting.

I know what you're saying. But the reality is most guys DON'T catch the ball with their hands and bring it in. It's also why there aren't a lot more good receivers in the NFL. It IS the right way to catch it.Most use some sort of arm/side method of catching, like Williamson demonstrated last night.

 

[snogger]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

2nd year in the league.

C'mon... I seriously hope you're not implying he should be given a pass for screwing up a pee-wee football fundamental simply because it's only his 2nd year as a professional.

I, like most, should give him a pass this game.. If it continues then I'll be right there ..

Agreed. I'm not going to drop the guy. It's just more alarming to see a guy drop a ball because he's trying to catch with his body than it would be if he simply muffed it with his hands. The latter is a mental error, the former is a fundamental error which has the potential to be a long term problem.

LOTS, and by that I mean MOST, receivers catch the ball with their body in some fashion.