Troy Williamson (1 Viewer)

[snogger]

Funny that the apologists haven't come back to this thread. But I'm sure they'll show up if Troy manages to score a TD this week..

So, he drops a few passes and you all show up. He grabs a few and scores TD's and you all will disappear until he drops a few again.

name me one WR who has NEVER dropped a pass.

We didn't complain because he dropped passes, we complained because of the way he dropped passes. And he's still doing it 3 weeks later.

Did you even watch the game today?? He was "targeted" I Beleive, 4 times today. As far as I am concerned he didn't drop one today.

He caught 2 of the 4. One was stripped by a very good play by a defender and another one was a good 5 yards Over his head, even after he tried to jump up for it.

At this point, this Offense is so Vanilla he won't have a break out game.

Brad probably attempted 3 passes all day over 11+ yards. As long as they continue with that crap offense, no one on the Vikings offense is going to have a big Receiving game.

 

[Steve Dallas]

I will not be starting this guy again until he blows up for at least one game.

 

[valhallan]

Funny that the apologists haven't come back to this thread. But I'm sure they'll show up if Troy manages to score a TD this week..

So, he drops a few passes and you all show up. He grabs a few and scores TD's and you all will disappear until he drops a few again.

name me one WR who has NEVER dropped a pass.

We didn't complain because he dropped passes, we complained because of the way he dropped passes. And he's still doing it 3 weeks later.

Did you even watch the game today?? He was "targeted" I Beleive, 4 times today. As far as I am concerned he didn't drop one today.

He caught 2 of the 4. One was stripped by a very good play by a defender and another one was a good 5 yards Over his head, even after he tried to jump up for it.

At this point, this Offense is so Vanilla he won't have a break out game.

Brad probably attempted 3 passes all day over 11+ yards. As long as they continue with that crap offense, no one on the Vikings offense is going to have a big Receiving game.

I'm not surprised BJ stopped looking his way. I would too.

 

[snogger]

Funny that the apologists haven't come back to this thread. But I'm sure they'll show up if Troy manages to score a TD this week..

So, he drops a few passes and you all show up. He grabs a few and scores TD's and you all will disappear until he drops a few again.

name me one WR who has NEVER dropped a pass.

We didn't complain because he dropped passes, we complained because of the way he dropped passes. And he's still doing it 3 weeks later.

Did you even watch the game today?? He was "targeted" I Beleive, 4 times today. As far as I am concerned he didn't drop one today.

He caught 2 of the 4. One was stripped by a very good play by a defender and another one was a good 5 yards Over his head, even after he tried to jump up for it.

At this point, this Offense is so Vanilla he won't have a break out game.

Brad probably attempted 3 passes all day over 11+ yards. As long as they continue with that crap offense, no one on the Vikings offense is going to have a big Receiving game.

I'm not surprised BJ stopped looking his way. I would too.

a we will go, a we will go..

 

[valhallan]

Think whatever you want. We can all agree Williamson's value is near zero at this point. Should've traded him at the first sign of trouble when we was still worth something.

 

[snogger]

Think whatever you want. We can all agree Williamson's value is near zero at this point. Should've traded him at the first sign of trouble when we was still worth something.

That I agree with.But that has more to do with the offensive coaching then Williamson "sucking".

This offense, with Brad at the helm, will be 5 yard dump offs, screen passes and runs.

If he throws more than 5 times a game over 15 yards(throws over 15 yards, not throw a 5 - 7 yard dump off that gains 15 yards) I will be

 

[tandl71]

Think whatever you want. We can all agree Williamson's value is near zero at this point. Should've traded him at the first sign of trouble when we was still worth something.

That I agree with.But that has more to do with the offensive coaching then Williamson "sucking".

This offense, with Brad at the helm, will be 5 yard dump offs, screen passes and runs.

If he throws more than 5 times a game over 15 yards(throws over 15 yards, not throw a 5 - 7 yard dump off that gains 15 yards) I will be

Thanks for this link! I'm logging on for the first time today, and was going to start a link titled "Troy Williamson Sucks!". Glad I saved those keystrokes.I wish I could rip him from my roster as we speak.

 

[snogger]

All I can say is if you drafted him as your 2nd or 3rd WR then you were

Anyone that followed anything about the Vikings knew this would be a conserative Offense.

On the other hand, if you picked him up in the last round as a flyer, he isn't any worse than any of the other wr's floating around on the wavier wires.

 

[tandl71]

All I can say is if you drafted him as your 2nd or 3rd WR then you were Anyone that followed anything about the Vikings knew this would be a conserative Offense. On the other hand, if you picked him up in the last round as a flyer, he isn't any worse than any of the other wr's floating around on the wavier wires.

The difference is, I didn't start Marty Booker as my BYE week replacement against a "Can't Miss" defense like Detroit. Plus, Williamson actually sucks.

 

[snogger]

All I can say is if you drafted him as your 2nd or 3rd WR then you were

Anyone that followed anything about the Vikings knew this would be a conserative Offense.

On the other hand, if you picked him up in the last round as a flyer, he isn't any worse than any of the other wr's floating around on the wavier wires.

The difference is, I didn't start Marty Booker as my BYE week replacement against a "Can't Miss" defense like Detroit. Plus, Williamson actually sucks.

Take it here and BTW

 

[Leo2228]

Troy Williamson sucks he got me a big fat zero

I am down by 20 I still have Stover and Ravens D but it could have been a lot better if he got me at least 5 or 6 am cutting him as soon as the WW open up Tuesday night

 

[salmonstud]

I was surprised to see this thread still alive. When are you going to start listening to old Salmonstud? When I tell you a player sucks, then that player does suck.

 

[Fishnic]

I guarantee he will come alive the moment I bench him. That is free advice from me.

 

[Leo2228]

I was surprised to see this thread still alive. When are you going to start listening to old Salmonstud? When I tell you a player sucks, then that player does suck.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Vikings offense is bad, period.

And the reason for it (as much as I really like the guy) is Brad Johnson.

People said it at the beginning of the year, and I've repeated it every week since....

HE HAS NO ARM. All his passes are "guided" to their targets. He never steps into his throws. The only passes he can complete are 5 yard dumpoffs or the lucky heave downfield. The offense is limited with him in there and it's only going to get worse as more teams figure that out.

 

[Leo2228]

I guarantee he will come alive the moment I bench him. That is free advice from me.

He can come alive all he want but it won"t be on my team

 

[Wheelhouse]

FWIW - I was the one who considered benching Boldin for Williamson yesterday. I didn't bench Boldin, but I did bench Keyshawn in favor of Williamson. Never again!!

Against the worst or one of the worst pass defenses in the league (at home no less) he barely got bupkis, which is basically nothing. It will be a LONG time before I look his way again.

 

[cws3030]

this reminds me of how everyone was bashing Reggie Williams the past few years.

i don't think williamson is more than a spot start wr4 this year but moving forward for patient dynasty owners he has a ton of upside IMO

 

[snogger]

this reminds me of how everyone was bashing Reggie Williams the past few years. i don't think williamson is more than a spot start wr4 this year but moving forward for patient dynasty owners he has a ton of upside IMO

That is IF they ever get a QB that has an accurate deep ball and open the Offense up a bit. Right now Williamson's speed is wasted in this offense.

 

[The Man With No Name]

this reminds me of how everyone was bashing Reggie Williams the past few years. i don't think williamson is more than a spot start wr4 this year but moving forward for patient dynasty owners he has a ton of upside IMO

That is IF they ever get a QB that has an accurate deep ball and open the Offense up a bit. Right now Williamson's speed is wasted in this offense.

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

Then again, it may not. If they end up with a record somewhere around 5-8, I bet you see a lot of him.

 

[snogger]

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

Then again, it may not. If they end up with a record somewhere around 5-8, I bet you see a lot of him.

Yea, but can't see that happening.3-2 now.Good chance they will be 3-4 after the bye and the following two games(@ Seahawks, home to Patriots). But then they are @49ers, Home to the Packers, on the road at Miami and home vs. Cards.Good chance to be 7-4 after 11 games.Looking at the next 3 games I see Loss @ Bear, Win @Lions, Win vs. Jets. 9-5 @ Packers home vs. Rams.Season record looks to me right now to be: 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

Then again, it may not. If they end up with a record somewhere around 5-8, I bet you see a lot of him.

Yea, but can't see that happening.3-2 now.Good chance they will be 3-4 after the bye and the following two games(@ Seahawks, home to Patriots). But then they are @49ers, Home to the Packers, on the road at Miami and home vs. Cards.Good chance to be 7-4 after 11 games.Looking at the next 3 games I see Loss @ Bear, Win @Lions, Win vs. Jets. 9-5 @ Packers home vs. Rams.Season record looks to me right now to be: 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5

Bought the good stuff this weekend, eh Snogger?

 

[salmonstud]

this reminds me of how everyone was bashing Reggie Williams the past few years. i don't think williamson is more than a spot start wr4 this year but moving forward for patient dynasty owners he has a ton of upside IMO

That is IF they ever get a QB that has an accurate deep ball and open the Offense up a bit. Right now Williamson's speed is wasted in this offense.

I doubt a different QB will make Troy Williamson's hands suddenly able to catch a football any better. Sometimes, speed doesn't kill.

 

[rascal]

Dropping him for either Bryant JOhnson, Herron, J Fargas (have Lamont), Gado (yeah I know but I have Dayne...yes I know about that as well), Jeremy Stevens, or the Skins D

 

[snogger]

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

Then again, it may not. If they end up with a record somewhere around 5-8, I bet you see a lot of him.

Yea, but can't see that happening.3-2 now.Good chance they will be 3-4 after the bye and the following two games(@ Seahawks, home to Patriots). But then they are @49ers, Home to the Packers, on the road at Miami and home vs. Cards.Good chance to be 7-4 after 11 games.Looking at the next 3 games I see Loss @ Bear, Win @Lions, Win vs. Jets. 9-5 @ Packers home vs. Rams.Season record looks to me right now to be: 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5

Bought the good stuff this weekend, eh Snogger?

What, you have to be on something to see a 9-7 record?? That, IMO, is easily attainable. The last two games are toss-ups. @ Packers @night vs. possibly Favre's last home game.. Rams @ home.. Rams Dfense still doesn't scare me and I believe our Deense could keep it close.Yeh, 11-5 seems to be too much Being as they are not going anywhere in the playoffs, I'd almost wish for a 8-8 season for a better draft spot. They need trade bait for a good QB.

 

[3C's]

dropping him this week. The best I can hope for is Az Hakim, but so be it. Between a qb with no arm, and a wr who drops more than he catches, it's time to cut bait.

 

[valhallan]

Saw this link in a thread about dropped passes: Dropped passes

Look who leads the league

 

[snogger]

Saw this link in a thread about dropped passes: Dropped passes

Look who leads the league

what are they basing this off. How many targets vs. catches? If so .. FlaVVED.

Looking at the data:

Reggie Wayne 21 Receptions - 40 Targets.

Troy Williamson 18 Receptions - 38 Targets.

 

[valhallan]

Saw this link in a thread about dropped passes: Dropped passes

Look who leads the league

what are they basing this off. How many targets vs. catches? If so .. FlaVVED.

Looking at the data:

Reggie Wayne 21 Receptions - 40 Targets.

Troy Williamson 18 Receptions - 38 Targets.

Well since it's only 6, I'm quite sure it's passes that hit a receivers hands but were not caught.Target data doesn't tell you anything about drops, btw.

 

[snogger]

They already have him. Tarvaris Jackson's time will come, but it may be awhile.

Then again, it may not. If they end up with a record somewhere around 5-8, I bet you see a lot of him.

Yea, but can't see that happening.3-2 now.Good chance they will be 3-4 after the bye and the following two games(@ Seahawks, home to Patriots). But then they are @49ers, Home to the Packers, on the road at Miami and home vs. Cards.Good chance to be 7-4 after 11 games.Looking at the next 3 games I see Loss @ Bear, Win @Lions, Win vs. Jets. 9-5 @ Packers home vs. Rams.Season record looks to me right now to be: 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5

Bought the good stuff this weekend, eh Snogger?

Still think I'm on something there Andy?4-2.. Bring on the Patriots. Monday Night at the Dome. It will be

 

[walkwithme]

Hmm this reminds me of a dynasty value thread where someone said T. Williamson had Probowl potential. I haven't seen probowl potential yet maybe he will get there but he hasn't shown me anything as of yet.

 

[valhallan]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

Can I get an Amen?!

11/27 10:42 Vikings: Williamson slides down depth chartThe NewsVikings wide receiver Troy Williamson is no longer a starter. In fact, he played the role of the team's fifth wideout on the depth chart during Sunday's win over the Cardinals, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Williamson had one ball thrown his way on Sunday and he let the ball slide through his hands.

 

[Woz]

I've watched every one of his games. Make no mistake the guy gets open - a lot. He also plays his ### off. However, he simply can't catch the ball. His drops have been huge.

I'm hoping it's nervousness and that once he gets confidence in a year or two he'll be fine. If he does, I could easily see him becoming a pro-bowler. However, a few of his drops have been balls he just completely misplays or go right through his hands. This has me worried - seems like he may not have the natural ability to simply catch something. You know, like when you toss a pen to a girl and she completely misses it.

 

[snogger]

I've watched every one of his games. Make no mistake the guy gets open - a lot. He also plays his ### off. However, he simply can't catch the ball. His drops have been huge.I'm hoping it's nervousness and that once he gets confidence in a year or two he'll be fine. If he does, I could easily see him becoming a pro-bowler. However, a few of his drops have been balls he just completely misplays or go right through his hands. This has me worried - seems like he may not have the natural ability to simply catch something. You know, like when you toss a pen to a girl and she completely misses it.

He actually tends to make difficult catches.It's the easy ones he and a lot of receivers now days are dropping. They are so worried about making the big play they start running/planning their celebration before they make the catch.

 

[zamboni]

What are the keeper/dynasty thoughts on Williamson?

Has he lost his chance and the team will address the WR situation in the offseason, or will Childress give him a chance to redeem himself?

 

[snogger]

What are the keeper/dynasty thoughts on Williamson? Has he lost his chance and the team will address the WR situation in the offseason, or will Childress give him a chance to redeem himself?

Once they are knocked out of the playoffs I'm guessing he will be reinserted into the line-up.At least I hope so.. and no I don't have him on any FF teams.Childress needs to start looking at what we have for next season. I'd like to see Tarvaris and Williamson get some real game situations in the book before next season to determine what we need to do in the draft and FA.Williamson has proven he has speed, we know Tarvaris has a stronger arm than Brad so test it out in game time situations and find out.

 

[smcindoe]

Williamson would be a good fit in Atlanta.

 

[Biabreakable]

What are the keeper/dynasty thoughts on Williamson? Has he lost his chance and the team will address the WR situation in the offseason, or will Childress give him a chance to redeem himself?

It is hard to know ultimately what is going to happen with him. Childress allready has given up on Williamson by benching him. So what can Williamson do to redeem himself? I wonder what the coaches see from him in practice? They made him the starter during TC so they were not seeing him having a problem with catching the ball until he started dropping passes in games? I don't know the answer to this I am only speculating but if it was a problem in practice then why didn't they see it? Why did they have him as thier WR 1 early on in the season if he was dropping balls in practice? This might just be a confidence issue. And that is why they have benched him now. But if he is catching well in practice but not in games the only way to correct it is to give him a chance to catch balls in games and get his confidence back. If there is more to it than that then the coaches should be working with him to improve his technique and correct what he does wrong in practice. So I assume that is what they are trying to do right now.I remember Jake Reed had a serious problem catching the ball before too. The Vikings diagnosed that he had somthing wrong with his eyes and they used treatment to correct it. Reed got a lot better at catching the ball after they did this but he still seemed to have problems and regress at times.Catching the ball is somthing that can be taught and improved to a certain degree by repetition and focusing on technique. I know Holt does somthing like practice catching the ball 100 times a day from a machine. Every day. It is part of his routine. So Williamson should be trying to do somthing like that. Practice makes perfect.But on the other hand I do think catching is somthing that is instictual. Some people are just better at it than others and there is somthing about it that cannot be taught. Everyone has thier own limitations.Another thing that concerns me about Williamson struggling with catching the ball is I know Brad Johnson throws a VERY catchable ball. He has great touch with his passes. So Williamson struggling with BJ throwing makes me wonder if he wont have even more issues catching passes from a Qb putting a lot more mustard on the ball.As a Viking fan I really hope he can turn this around and become at least decent enough catching the ball so that the Vikings can live with some drops from him at times. He looks like a great player in most other aspects besides this one most important one. :( If he cannot then the Vikings should look into the possibility of having him play corner back instead.

 

[zamboni]

What are the keeper/dynasty thoughts on Williamson? Has he lost his chance and the team will address the WR situation in the offseason, or will Childress give him a chance to redeem himself?

It is hard to know ultimately what is going to happen with him. Childress allready has given up on Williamson by benching him. So what can Williamson do to redeem himself? I wonder what the coaches see from him in practice? They made him the starter during TC so they were not seeing him having a problem with catching the ball until he started dropping passes in games? I don't know the answer to this I am only speculating but if it was a problem in practice then why didn't they see it? Why did they have him as thier WR 1 early on in the season if he was dropping balls in practice? This might just be a confidence issue. And that is why they have benched him now. But if he is catching well in practice but not in games the only way to correct it is to give him a chance to catch balls in games and get his confidence back. If there is more to it than that then the coaches should be working with him to improve his technique and correct what he does wrong in practice. So I assume that is what they are trying to do right now.I remember Jake Reed had a serious problem catching the ball before too. The Vikings diagnosed that he had somthing wrong with his eyes and they used treatment to correct it. Reed got a lot better at catching the ball after they did this but he still seemed to have problems and regress at times.Catching the ball is somthing that can be taught and improved to a certain degree by repetition and focusing on technique. I know Holt does somthing like practice catching the ball 100 times a day from a machine. Every day. It is part of his routine. So Williamson should be trying to do somthing like that. Practice makes perfect.But on the other hand I do think catching is somthing that is instictual. Some people are just better at it than others and there is somthing about it that cannot be taught. Everyone has thier own limitations.Another thing that concerns me about Williamson struggling with catching the ball is I know Brad Johnson throws a VERY catchable ball. He has great touch with his passes. So Williamson struggling with BJ throwing makes me wonder if he wont have even more issues catching passes from a Qb putting a lot more mustard on the ball.As a Viking fan I really hope he can turn this around and become at least decent enough catching the ball so that the Vikings can live with some drops from him at times. He looks like a great player in most other aspects besides this one most important one. :( If he cannot then the Vikings should look into the possibility of having him play corner back instead.

Good insight, as well as with snogger. Thanks.

 

[lod2005]

Williamson would be a good fit in Atlanta.

Yes, this is an ideal fit. A QB that cannot pass to save his life and a WR labeled 'Brick Mits' Williamson. Talk about a team!!!

 

[massraider]

I thought I was very clever when I drafted Williamson. I thought he could be one of those guys you used as a 3rd/4th WER, and could easily put up #2 FF WR numbers. I've basically forgotten about him.

Further proof that drafting WR's at the top of the draft is really sketchy. I've always thought what seperates the stars from the busts is work ethic, and how are you supposed forecast if a guy is going to stay hungry, once he has his Bently and tan mansion?

Eh, I'll probably take a late round flyer on him next year, hoping he explodes....again.

 

[Dutch Kincade]

I think Troy is a great buy low prospect. There is no way the Vikings are done with him after they used the pic from Oakland (Moss) to get him with the 7th overall selection. This is also one of the few pics in recent Viking history that they made without using all 15 minutes and then some on the selection clock. He is simply too gifted and the Vikings are too vested in him for him not to get all the time and help he needs to help with his hands. I'm not sure if TJ is the answer at QB but whether it is TJ or someone from this draft in Minny, I can see Childress riding the young qb/Taylor/Williamson trio for a while.

Of course...it is Minnesota so there could be a massive overhaul tonight.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Bash the OP all you want, but a guy of Williamson's talent and experience should not be trying to catch balls with his body. I'm high on him and drafted him in every league, but I was not pleased to see him mess up a very basic fundamental last night.

Can I get an Amen?!

11/27 10:42 Vikings: Williamson slides down depth chart

The News

Vikings wide receiver Troy Williamson is no longer a starter. In fact, he played the role of the team's fifth wideout on the depth chart during Sunday's win over the Cardinals, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Williamson had one ball thrown his way on Sunday and he let the ball slide through his hands.

I don't know who wrote this but the pass that was thrown at him was behind him and he had a defender draped on his back! Yes it touched him in the hands but there isn't a WR in the league that would have come down with that pass! Granted, the guy has put himself in this situation by his own doing, but I really do like what he has and hope that Childress doesn't keep him on the bench. He can get open and will get better with more opportunities. I know you can only deal with so many drops but his speed can spread out the defense and that is what this offense needs. The Vikings aren't playoff material this year anyway (even if they make it, it is early exit time), so let him play through his mistakes. If it is psychological (which I think it is) then the benching will only make it worse.

If he is going to play his way out of town, then let him PLAY his way out of town.