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True or False - No Democrat or Republican presidential candidate will ever concede an election ever again (1 Viewer)

True or False. No losing major candidate will ever concede again.

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Yes, of course. Absent substantial indications of fraud or malfeasance we should expect candidates in the vast majority of cases to fight tooth and nail for a their candidacy but in the end to concede the will of the voters. Now what is brought forth as substantial allegations of fraud, that is  the question to be determined as that well has been poisoned thoroughly this cycle.

 
False. But there will be fewer outright concessions, especially on the Republican side of the ticket. They've locked in enough righteously gerrymandered districts that they now fully expect to win elections and maintain a majority in Congress and State houses despite an overall minority of voters. It's a lot easier to cry fraud when your party has knocked down the foundation of the Republic by creating distrust in the system while having a very reliable voting base that rarely wavers in their support.

 
I hope so. I miss the days when elections had such wide margins that it showed people were voting for the best person for the job and not just for a side no matter what. 

 
knowledge dropper said:
No.  Thanks Stacey Abrams.  
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CNN — Democratic candidate Stacey Abrams refused to concede the Georgia governor’s race to Republican candidate Brian Kemp, arguing that the high stakes contest is too close to call with the possibility of a runoff next month.

'If it's close – watch out': Biden says he has 600 lawyers ready to fight election results.

 
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Joe Schmo said:
Yes, of course. Absent substantial indications of fraud or malfeasance we should expect candidates in the vast majority of cases to fight tooth and nail for a their candidacy but in the end to concede the will of the voters. Now what is brought forth as substantial allegations of fraud, that is  the question to be determined as that well has been poisoned thoroughly this cycle.
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agreed.  But I don’t see how you can concede.  This wasn’t a particularly close election.  And here we sit.  What reason do you have to think cooler heads will prevail next time?  

 
Summer Wheat said:
CNN — Democratic candidate Stacey Abrams refused to concede the Georgia governor’s race to Republican candidate Brian Kemp, arguing that the high stakes contest is too close to call with the possibility of a runoff next month.

'If it's close – watch out': Biden says he has 600 lawyers ready to fight election results.
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I was asking about Presidentially specifically.  

 
Summer Wheat said:
I voted false.

Trump did not and Biden had an army of lawyers ready to fight it. So last year was an anomoly.
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Biden, like every other candidate since 2000, had an army of lawyers ready in case there was a pivotal state too close to call. But I don’t believe Biden would have challenged any state that wasn’t extremely close, and I don’t believe any candidate outside of Trump will make irrational challenges either. 

 
I'm extremely unhappy with politicians who refuse to accept the result of an election.  That includes both Trump and Stacey Abrams.  I would also toss Al Gore in there for good measure, although in fairness to him he was actually involved in an election that ended as a statistical tie, and our system isn't designed to handle that sort of thing well.  

As frustrating as this is, though, we just had an election a few weeks ago in Virginia in which the losing candidate conceded without drama.  Obviously that's the norm that we should expect everyone to live up to.

 
timschochet said:
Biden, like every other candidate since 2000, had an army of lawyers ready in case there was a pivotal state too close to call. But I don’t believe Biden would have challenged any state that wasn’t extremely close, and I don’t believe any candidate outside of Trump will make irrational challenges either. 
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What?  You don’t think Desantis would?  Eeee I don’t know about that.  

 
Sabertooth said:
What?  You don’t think Desantis would?  Eeee I don’t know about that.  
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I don’t know much about DeSantis but I have no reason to believe he would. 
I think the root of Trump’s problem is psychological, not political. He cannot admit losing at anything. So I don’t think this applies to any other politician. It never has. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I'm extremely unhappy with politicians who refuse to accept the result of an election.  That includes both Trump and Stacey Abrams.  I would also toss Al Gore in there for good measure, although in fairness to him he was actually involved in an election that ended as a statistical tie, and our system isn't designed to handle that sort of thing well.  

As frustrating as this is, though, we just had an election a few weeks ago in Virginia in which the losing candidate conceded without drama.  Obviously that's the norm that we should expect everyone to live up to.
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I feel the same way with this as I did with Merrick Garland not getting a hearing for SCOTUS.  The Rubicon was crossed.  There will be no going back.  

 
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timschochet said:
I don’t know much about DeSantis but I have no reason to believe he would. 
I think the root of Trump’s problem is psychological, not political. He cannot admit losing at anything. So I don’t think this applies to any other politician. It never has. 
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Bless your heart Tim.  And I don’t mean that sarcastically.  I’m glad you still try to see the good in people. 
 

With Trumps it’s a combination of financial, legal, psychological, and political.  

 
Sabertooth said:
I feel the same way with this as I did with Merrick Garland not getting a hearing for SCOTUS.  The Rubicon was crossed.  There will be no going back.  
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I agree with you about SCOTUS.  Hard to see any nominees ever getting through unless the same party controls the Presidency and Senate.

I don’t agree about election concessions.  Trump is an outlier.

 
This is. DJT thing and his deep-seated mental issue about being a loser.

If he’s not involved in the next election the loser will go back to the traditional process of admitting defeat, moving on, saying all the unite the country stuff….then work to hamstring the winner as much as within their control. 

 
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James Daulton said:
Trump supporters would have zero equivalency without false equivalency.
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Another post to prove @Sabertooth's point. I fear we may be too far gone.

But I'm also an optimist. I voted false.

Plus, this is a sucker bet question as I'll always take the answer that just takes one to win. ;)  

 
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Sabertooth said:
I agree with your conclusion. However your reasoning though is a great illustration of why it can never go back.  
 

thank you for that.   
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Hi @Sabertooth so I can make sure I understand you, are you saying the reasoning is that we're now in an endless cycle of back and forth whatabouts?

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Hi @Sabertooth so I can make sure I understand you, are you saying the reasoning is that we're now in an endless cycle of back and forth whatabouts?
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More or less.  I’ve felt this way for a while.  The Trump administration was like nothing I’ve ever seen in terms of terrible precedents being set.  And before that, the denial of Merrick Garland.  
 

I don’t see how we unfire that gun. :shrug:  

 
The General said:
Gore did get kind of hosed.
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The only place he got hosed was from the butterfly ballots created by a Democrat which confused a couple thousand liberal Jewish people to vote for Pat  Buchanan.   Otherwise he lost fair and square despite an illegal attempt by the Florida courts to steal it for Gore.    

 
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Sabertooth said:
Do you think anyone will ever concede again in a presidential election?  
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I answered false before reading your OP.  I would still vote false but it’s much more likely when limited to just POTUS election.  I definitely don’t think the loser of any election that Trump is in (whether it is him, Biden or another D) will be conceded.  And I’m ok with that to a degree - Trump is a liar and a cheat and will do anything to win.  

 
jon_mx said:
The only place he got hosed was from the butterfly ballots created by a Democrat which confused a couple thousand liberal Jewish people to vote for Pat  Buchanan.   Otherwise he lost fair and square despite an illegal attempt by the Florida courts to steal it for Gore.    
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I was having fun with my iFriend KD.

If the last race were 1000th as close as the Gore / Bush election Trump would have been able to have his little insurrection at the WH for real. His shtick would have been infinitely worse and more would have bought in. 

 
knowledge dropper said:
INSURRECTION!
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Trump got pounded, landslide, yet he convinced thousands to riot at the Capital. Way too many people still buying his crap and he has 90% of the party kissing his butt still. 

If he lost by a thousand votes in one state…yeah I’m sure he and the nation would have handled that well  :lol:

 
Sabertooth said:
More or less.  I’ve felt this way for a while.  The Trump administration was like nothing I’ve ever seen in terms of terrible precedents being set.  And before that, the denial of Merrick Garland.  
 

I don’t see how we unfire that gun. :shrug:  
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Thanks. I do think it'll take work to break the cycle. I differ with you on it being completely one sided though. We'll see. Thanks for the added insight. 

 
The General said:
Trump got pounded, landslide, yet he convinced thousands to riot at the Capital. Way too many people still buying his crap and he has 90% of the party kissing his butt still. 

If he lost by a thousand votes in one state…yeah I’m sure he and the nation would have handled that well  :lol:
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Good thing the Democrats worked OT to create a surplus number of mail in votes based upon their analytics of the voter rolls regarding who was and wasn’t likely to vote.  

 
Sabertooth said:
Summer Wheat said:
CNN — Democratic candidate Stacey Abrams refused to concede the Georgia governor’s race to Republican candidate Brian



Kemp

, arguing that the high stakes contest is too close to call with the possibility of a runoff next month.





'If it's close – watch out': Biden says he has 600 lawyers ready to fight election results.
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I was asking about Presidentially specifically.  
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Also, pretty sure most every left leaning poster in here has said that it is dumb that Abrams refused to concede when it was clearly over.

Yet here we are a year plus from the presidential election and I am unsure if we have seen the same sentiment from our Trump loving friends

 
the moops said:
Also, pretty sure most every left leaning poster in here has said that it is dumb that Abrams refused to concede when it was clearly over.

Yet here we are a year plus from the presidential election and I am unsure if we have seen the same sentiment from our Trump loving friends
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I don't have a perfect notebook for most every left leaning poster here or "our Trump loving friends" here but all of my real life friends who voted Trump thought he absolutely should have conceded when it was clearly over. Without question. 

I know it's more fun to generalize giant groups. But in my opinion, that's not accurate. Or fair. 

 
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Joe Bryant said:
I don't have a perfect notebook for most every left leaning poster here or "our Trump loving friends" here but all of my real life friends who voted Trump thought he absolutely should have conceded when it was clearly over. Without question. 

I know it's more fun to generalize giant groups. But in my opinion, that's not accurate. Or fair. 
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That's true, I should generalize less.

However, we did have a whole bunch of stop the steal rallies and until this day there are posters in here who are convinced that the election was stolen.

And we can see it on this very page. Abrams name is brought up, and there is universal denouncement, and agreement that the premise in the OP is false. Trump's name gets brought up though and we have 3 posters who fall into a certain category that insinuate, if not outright say that Trump is still the winner and he should not have conceded. 

 
the moops said:
That's true, I should generalize less.

However, we did have a whole bunch of stop the steal rallies and until this day there are posters in here who are convinced that the election was stolen.

And we can see it on this very page. Abrams name is brought up, and there is universal denouncement, and agreement that the premise in the OP is false. Trump's name gets brought up though and we have 3 posters who fall into a certain category that insinuate, if not outright say that Trump is still the winner and he should not have conceded. 
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Question...if there is universal denoucement of Abrams why is she seen as one of the rising stars of the democrat party...that would seem to be a disconnect.

 
Boston said:
Question...if there is universal denoucement of Abrams why is she seen as one of the rising stars of the democrat party...that would seem to be a disconnect.
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I am just talking about us in here. If she truly is rising, and she still refuses to concede, I think that is a bad look

 
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