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Trump and Bigotry: A False Association (2 Viewers)

Marvelous said:
If you don't think things can get ugly, here is a quote from Republican Corey Stewart, who is running for Virginia Governor next year:

Last time Prince William County cracked down on illegal immigrants, housing prices fell 40-50%, just before the housing bubbles (nearby counties fell 20% or so).

Here is the full article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/trump-win-shakes-up-2017-race-for-virginia-governor/2016/11/10/bb0cc442-a6a2-11e6-8042-f4d111c862d1_story.html
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Not sure I see an issue with deporting ILLEGAL immigrants?

 
Weebs210 said:
Not sure I see an issue with deporting ILLEGAL immigrants?
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No negative connotations about hunting human beings? Of course, Trump has talked about a huge Deportation Task Force to find all the illegal aliens.

One other thing to remember:  People have rights in this country.  Even illegal immigrants have constitutional rights.  And if the status is unknown, you cannot just assume they are illegal.  Everyone needs to be treated within the bounds of the law.   And I would claim, human decency.

 
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The left needs racism. They need it and they feed it. The democrat party benefits more from racism than any other single entity on the planet. They've done a good job convincing black people that the other side is evil and the democrat party is their only hope. They've extended the benefit of racism to include white people who are justifiably horrified by anything remotely racist and so vote democrat in response.

But the truth is, democrats only care about black people to the extent they continue voting for them en masse. They care about black people as much as they used to care about white union members... and won't hesitate to turn their focus as soon as it's politically advantageous.

I predict in the future, as people grow weary of the phantom racist/sexist/homphobe/xenophobe label, we will see racial blocks voting less uniformly. It's going to become more about class than race. 

 
For those actually looking into the alt right and what Richard Spencer believes, this is a longish podcast interview with him.  Don't just read the article, listen to him. Donald Trump is not Hitler.  He's a 70-year-old (probable) narcissist.  This guy's future has yet to be written, but he's a late-30s educated white man arguing for an ethno-State, and through Bannon this guy is going to have influence on the Trump administration.

 
ilikedwight said:
Actually this is the visual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js

And there is a problem
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You're jumping around.

You were discussing the "problem" of what some in the Bannon community might call 'miscgenated' black females getting into Ivy League schools, and working for Fortune 500 companies.

And I would like to know why you personally focus on the nature of their mixed heritage, their entry into premier schools and income, and how often you think this particular 'problem' occurs?

Also if there are such fine, smart, wealthy young lovely creole girls running around where can I find one to support me? TIA.

 
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Yawn.  The point of the article was that the left wore out the racist card by crying wolf too many times so that now people just don't even care anymore. 

The lefts response, 4 pages of "No really this time there really is a wolf, Bannon proves it!" 

No one cares by you. So keep yelling wolf in a empty room. President Trump has work to do. 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Yawn.  The point of the article was that the left wore out the racist card by crying wolf too many times so that now people just don't even care anymore. 

The lefts response, 4 pages of "No really this time there really is a wolf, Bannon proves it!" 

No one cares by you. So keep yelling wolf in a empty room. President Trump has work to do. 
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Judging by this thread and the one ilikedwight started, I respectfully disagree.

 
Dickies said:
Are conservatives now going to claim that alt-right is all just a bunch of liberals in disguise?  
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No I am claiming it is a handful of nut cases with less organization, people  and political power than the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster. But yet the left insists on crying wolf about the danger of this non entity. Thus losing the room. 

 
Loan Sharks said:
No I am claiming it is a handful of nut cases with less organization, people  and political power than the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster. But yet the left insists on crying wolf about the danger of this non entity. Thus losing the room. 
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This is patently untrue. 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Sure it is. The Church of the Flying Spaghettii Monster changed public policy and is allowed to wear colanders on theirs heads for drivers license photos. The alt right has even been less effective than that. lol 
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The alt right elected a new President....

 
Never even heard of this alleged "alt right" until Clinton gave a speech warning us about this super secret hate group that was infiltrating everything. I guess I wasn't issued my special sunglasses that lets me see THEM hiding amongst us. 

 
Dickies said:
Yea, I admit I am exaggerating.   That said, a lot of the rhetoric that Trump spewed got the alt right movement energized and I think they played a big role in Trump being where he is.  
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Ok if you are disputing the numbers in the article how many people are part of this alt right movement in your opinion? 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Ok if you are disputing the numbers in the article how many people are part of this alt right movement in your opinion? 
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I have no idea how many there are, but you do not need to subscribe to /r/altright to subscribe to the ideology.  Between Breitbart, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc there is no chance the number is ~5,000 people.

 
squistion said:
Not really. Campaign Zero is not a BLM plan or proposal.  It was an offshoot started by some Ferguson activists associated with BLM, but its plan has not been officially adopted by the BLM organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Zero

On the BLM site, only one mention of Campaign Zero:

http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
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Besides, it doesn't really work for protests anyhow: 

What do we want? This ten point plan!!!

No ten point plan, no peace!!

 
Loan Sharks said:
No I am claiming it is a handful of nut cases with less organization, people  and political power than the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster. But yet the left insists on crying wolf about the danger of this non entity. Thus losing the room. 
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In a year or 2, let's revisit this conversation. If Trump manages to avoid governing in a bigoted manner that is evocative of Breitbart, I will be right there with you. 

 
So 'Alt-right' is now the tea party boogeyman since tea partiers does not sound scary enough.  Total bull crap by the left wing to incite fear.   There is no real definition, just a tool to try to group lots of people in with white suoremency groups.   Stupid liberal tricks again. 

 
Dickies said:
Are conservatives now going to claim that alt-right is all just a bunch of liberals in disguise?  
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It would be right out of the Alinsky playbook. An excerpt from his biography:

"...in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University...students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations - a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administration's Vietnam War policies.  The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bush's address.  That's the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative - and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school.  He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, ‘The KKK supports Bush.'  And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results."

 

 
sublimeone said:
It would be right out of the Alinsky playbook. An excerpt from his biography:

"...in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University...students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations - a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administration's Vietnam War policies.  The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bush's address.  That's the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative - and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school.  He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, ‘The KKK supports Bush.'  And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results."

 
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I have zero doubt that at least some of the increase in hate crimes and graffiti are by done/faked by liberals.  

 
jon_mx said:
I have zero doubt that at least some of the increase in hate crimes and graffiti are by done/faked by liberals.  
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Of course it is. When right wingers protest the average age is over 40 and they pick up their own trash when they leave... not so much with the left.

It goes without saying the alt-left is way more dangerous, numerous and violent than the alt-right.

 
sublimeone said:
Of course it is. When right wingers protest the average age is over 40 and they pick up their own trash when they leave... not so much with the left.

It goes without saying the alt-left is way more dangerous, numerous and violent than the alt-right.
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That is true to a large extent.   But the right does have militia groups which are potentially more dangerous than most of the loons on the left.  

 
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sublimeone said:
Of course it is. When right wingers protest the average age is over 40 and they pick up their own trash when they leave... not so much with the left.

It goes without saying the alt-left is way more dangerous, numerous and violent than the alt-right.
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And sometimes they bring guns and occupy federal buildings.

 
Dickies said:
I have no idea how many there are, but you do not need to subscribe to /r/altright to subscribe to the ideology.  Between Breitbart, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc there is no chance the number is ~5,000 people.
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Well the article says that the Klan is ~5000, but they take into account the largest other alt right factions and when they total them together you are talking about 50,000 hardcore racists. Which is on par with Farakhans nation of Islam. It is equally ridiculous to try to cast the Nation of Islams rhetoric as the Democratic party platform. When you take into consideration that the "big" all right players like David Duke are drawing 300 people to nationwide rallies 10 years ago you are fearing something with literally no political power at all. 

If you think the threat is larger and this data is wrong that is one thing, like there are really millions of these wackos, but at these levels well, it would be like President Trump running on a FBG platform because he really has to get our 50k votes. It doesn't make sense. 

 
timschochet said:
In a year or 2, let's revisit this conversation. If Trump manages to avoid governing in a bigoted manner that is evocative of Breitbart, I will be right there with you. 
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Agreed. If he blows the abortion, gay marriage etc I will recant. The thing is the average person has never been to 4chan, and those that have didn't know they had a political forum. If I am wrong and we get all kinds of rights being rolled back and abuses I promise I will not take a CTSU and flee. 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Well the article says that the Klan is ~5000, but they take into account the largest other alt right factions and when they total them together you are talking about 50,000 hardcore racists. Which is on par with Farakhans nation of Islam. It is equally ridiculous to try to cast the Nation of Islams rhetoric as the Democratic party platform. When you take into consideration that the "big" all right players like David Duke are drawing 300 people to nationwide rallies 10 years ago you are fearing something with literally no political power at all. 

If you think the threat is larger and this data is wrong that is one thing, like there are really millions of these wackos, but at these levels well, it would be like President Trump running on a FBG platform because he really has to get our 50k votes. It doesn't make sense. 
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Here are the visitor stats of some alt-right websites:

therightstuff.biz: 286,500 unique visitors per month

radixjournal.com: 90,000 unique visitors per month

Amren.com: 280,000 unique visitors per month

www.alternative-right.blogspot.com: 55,000 unique visitors per month

vdare.com: 230,000 unique visitors per month

This is just a small sampling of them but all the alt-right websites combined are easily pulling in multiple millions of unique visitors per month.

 
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