Ty Cobb - not a racist? (1 Viewer)

[FlapJacks]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43506-ty-cobb-was-not-a-racist

I hear a great deal about Cobbs racism in the present, especially on the Internet, but no one ever has actually have provided factual or even specifics about their racial allegations. If Cobb had been a racist, some newspaperman would have made remarks about the specifics in some way.

I have over 40,000 newspaper articles, and NOT one article makes any correlation to Ty Cobb being a racist. All the evidence demonstrates Cobbs support for the advancement of colored people, and yet, there is NO evidence that gives any indication that Mr. Cobb made any movement toward oppressing the black population.

Contrary, when Jackie Robinson entered into the major leagues, it began a slow process of allowing blacks to begin entering into every league in the country. When the Dallas club of the Texas League was considering allowing blacks to enter, Cobb was there to bat for them.

"Ty Cobb, Fiery Diamond Star, Favors Negroes In Baseball"

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't know if Cobb was a racist or not but from what I have read he was kind of a richard.

 

[jon_mx]

What was Cobb's position on unopened diet Coke cans to Muslims?

 

[FUBAR]

I don't know if Cobb was a racist or not but from what I have read he was kind of a richard.

Seems to have been an equal opportunity #######.

 

[Wrigley]

What was Cobb's position on unopened diet Coke cans to Muslims?

He was in favor of "new coke"

 

[FlapJacks]

I don't know if Cobb was a racist or not but from what I have read he was kind of a richard.

Seems to have been an equal opportunity #######.

It seems he was good about giving back to the community too...

 

[Fennis]

As long as he still beat up the guy in the wheelchair. Let me have that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

As long as he still beat up the guy in the wheelchair. Let me have that.

Now imagine the wheelchair was black.

 

[Joe Summer]

"I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."

Hmmm. I wonder what word was replaced by "(Negro race)".

 

[Joe Summer]

Reddit already did the research on this one

In spring training of 1907, a black groundskeeper, Bungy Davis, tried to either shake Cobbs hand or pat him on the shoulder. Cobb was outraged, slapping Davis in the face and chasing him until Daviss wife attempted to intervene. Cobb choked her until Tigers catcher Charlie Schmidt pulled him off her and punched him in the face. In 1908 in Detroit, Cobb stepped in freshly poured asphalt and a black workman named Fred Collins made his displeasure known. Cobb punched him the face, knocking him to the ground. A Detroit judge and likely Tigers fan found Cobb guilty of battery, but gave him a suspended sentence. Cobb paid Collins $75 to avoid a civil suit. In 1909 in Cleveland, Cobb was charged with attempted murder after stabbing a black night watchman named George Stansfield. Stansfield had intervened after Cobb had slapped a black elevator operator. Cobbs lawyers, one of whom was a former mayor of Cleveland, managed to get the charges reduced to assault and battery. Cobb pled guilty and was fined $100. Stanfield filed a lawsuit, but he and Cobb settled out of court. (In the comments, Fricks insists, without providing any evidence, that Stansfield was white, and that biographer Charles Alexander knew this but decided to lie about it.) In 1912 in New York, Cobb attacked a white man for a change, charging into the stands during the sixth inning and administering a savage beating to heckler Claude Lueker. The insult that pushed Cobb over the edge? Lueker called Cobb a half n**. (Irrelevant to the question of Cobbs racism: Lueker didnt have hands. When the crowd pointed it out, Cobb yelled I dont care if he doesnt have feet.) Cobb was suspended ten games for the incident. When I spectator calls me a half n*** I think its about time to fight, Cobb told the Detroit Free Press. In 1914 in Detroit, Cobb arrived home with a dinner guest, only to find his wife upset over an argument she had earlier in the day with a local butcher, William Carpenter. Cobb phoned Carpenter, telling him he was coming to see him in the shop, then grabbed his revolver and headed over. When Carpenter saw Cobb enter with a gun, he quickly apologized. Carpenters assistant, however, brandished a meat cleaver and advanced on Cobb. Cobb pistol whipped the assistant while Carpenter called the police. Cobb spent the night in jail, and although the assistant decided not to press charges possible Tigers fan alert Carpenter did. Cobb pled guilty to disturbing the peace and paid a $50 fine. You will never, ever guess Carpenters skin color. In 1919 in Detroit, Cobb called hotel chambermaid Ada Morris a n******. Morris talked back, and Cobb responded by kicking her in the stomach and knocking her down a flight of stairs. Morris broke a rib and was hospitalized; the hotel manager threw Cobb out. Morris subsequently filed a $10,000 lawsuit against Cobb. Though the matter was covered in the black press, it was kept out of the white papers. Ultimately, Morris was paid an undisclosed sum and dropped the suit.

 

[FlapJacks]

Reddit already did the research on this one

In spring training of 1907, a black groundskeeper, Bungy Davis, tried to either shake Cobbs hand or pat him on the shoulder. Cobb was outraged, slapping Davis in the face and chasing him until Daviss wife attempted to intervene. Cobb choked her until Tigers catcher Charlie Schmidt pulled him off her and punched him in the face.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/31/how-ty-cobb-was-framed-as-a-racist/

For his first couple of seasons on the Tigers, Cobb was subjected to sustained hazing by his teammates, several of whom despised him. In 1907, on his way to the clubhouse, Cobb shoved a black groundskeeper who, under the influence of alcohol, got in Cobb’s face and made a jokey greeting that the latter evidently found annoying.

There is no indication that race had anything to do with the encounter. A moment later, Cobb was attacked by a catcher on his own team, a much larger man who had a habit of beating up Cobb.

The catcher told sportswriters Cobb had previously assaulted the black groundskeeper and his wife, but this story is likely untrue. Cobb hotly denied the claim and no one asked the groundskeeper if it was true, nor were charges filed.

Likely untrue....reddit as a source...really? I'd guess most of those accounts are exagerations or untrue...

 

[Fariq]

"I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."

Hmmm. I wonder what word was replaced by "(Negro race)".

Porch monkies was big back then

 

[jon_mx]

"I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."

Hmmm. I wonder what word was replaced by "(Negro race)".

There were no words which were replaced. When you quote someone like that you are inserting words which are implied by the context.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

 

[Fennis]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

not to mention, at the turn of the century, it was really rare for uneducated people from rural Georgia to be racist.

 

[jon_mx]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Guy couldn't have been all bad, they did name a salad after him.

 

[FlapJacks]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

not to mention, at the turn of the century, it was really rare for uneducated people from rural Georgia to be racist.

How prejudiced of you to say so...

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

I wonder if Randal Cobb of the Packers is any relation?

 

[Eephus]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

not to mention, at the turn of the century, it was really rare for uneducated people from rural Georgia to be racist.

Cobb's father was a teacher. He turned pro at age 18 and didn't have a huge amount of book larnin but probably was above average for his time.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I'll wait for King_Kelly to weigh in.

 

[Despyzer]

Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

Especially when he's not even here to defend himself!

 

[ShamrockPride]

Dude was a hot head. Think Steve Smith times 10. Just liked to fight.

 

[SWC]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

I wonder if Randal Cobb of the Packers is any relation?

thats randall the touchdown robber cobber bromigo or just rt2rc as those of us in the loop call him take that to the bank

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Ty Cobb hospital is a full medical system now in Georgia. He's probably helped out more black folk directly than any other former athlete.

Pretty sure he just hated everyone fwiw. Women, blacks, Canadians, the handicapped, handicapped black Canadian women, etc.

 

[Insein]

I'm just trying to picture ty Cobb doing all those things with today's media. That would be headline news.

 

[Christo]

So you're basing your disbelief on the lack of news reports? The press was notorious for protecting athletes for years. And there's a good chance that most of the reporters back then were just as racist as him.

 

[Eephus]

Much of Cobb's legend over the past 50 years was due to the work of his biographer Al Stump who helped Cobb write his autobiography and years later wrote a second more critical book about Cobb. Stump was portrayed by Robert Wuhl in the movie version. Baseball historians have accused Stump of fabricating stories about his subject and forging Cobb memorabilia.

But in the words of Ransom Stoddard, "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend".

 

[FlapJacks]

So you're basing your disbelief on the lack of news reports? The press was notorious for protecting athletes for years. And there's a good chance that most of the reporters back then were just as racist as him.

If you read the articles from bleacher report and the NY Post, they both relate a number of anecdotes to demonstrate his views; his support for Jackie Robinson...

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

I wonder if Randal Cobb of the Packers is any relation?

thats randall the touchdown robber cobber bromigo or just rt2rc as those of us in the loop call him take that to the bank

I just call him "Corn". You can put that in General Douglas McArthur's pipe and smoke it all the way to the bank, bromigo.

 

[General Malaise]

The Ty Cobb hospital is a full medical system now in Georgia. He's probably helped out more black folk directly than any other former athlete.

Pretty sure he just hated everyone fwiw. Women, blacks, Canadians, the handicapped, handicapped black Canadian women, etc.

At the time of his death, Cobb's estate was reported to be worth at least $11.780 million (equivalent to $93 million today)[31], including $10 million worth of General Motors stock and $1.78 million in The Coca-Cola Company stock.[127] His will left a quarter of his estate to the Cobb Educational Fund, and distributed the rest among his children and grandchildren. Cobb is interred in the Rose Hill Cemetery in Royston, Georgia. As of July 2014, the Ty Cobb Educational Foundation has distributed $15.2 million in college scholarships to needy Georgians.

Didn't know he was such a savvy investor.

 

[Fennis]

The Ty Cobb hospital is a full medical system now in Georgia. He's probably helped out more black folk directly than any other former athlete.

Pretty sure he just hated everyone fwiw. Women, blacks, Canadians, the handicapped, handicapped black Canadian women, etc.

At the time of his death, Cobb's estate was reported to be worth at least $11.780 million (equivalent to $93 million today)[31], including $10 million worth of General Motors stock and $1.78 million in The Coca-Cola Company stock.[127] His will left a quarter of his estate to the Cobb Educational Fund, and distributed the rest among his children and grandchildren. Cobb is interred in the Rose Hill Cemetery in Royston, Georgia. As of July 2014, the Ty Cobb Educational Foundation has distributed $15.2 million in college scholarships to needy Georgians.

Didn't know he was such a savvy investor.

How Early Investments In GM and Coke Made Ty Cobb One Of The Richest Athletes Of All Time

 

[lombardi]

I don't know if he was racist or not. But beat up a dude with no hands? Then when they give him a hard time he says, I don't care if he has no feet? That's a sick dude.

 

[Frostillicus]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

not to mention, at the turn of the century, it was really rare for uneducated people from rural Georgia to be racist.

Cobb's father was a teacher. He turned pro at age 18 and didn't have a huge amount of book larnin but probably was above average for his time.

So his dad had summers off>

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I don't know if he was racist or not. But beat up a dude with no hands? Then when they give him a hard time he says, I don't care if he has no feet? That's a sick dude.

The guy actually had 2 fingers still. So like 1/5 hands.

 

[Das Boot]

I don't know if he was racist or not. But beat up a dude with no hands? Then when they give him a hard time he says, I don't care if he has no feet? That's a sick dude.

The guy actually had 2 fingers still. So like 1/5 hands.

A guy can do some pretty mean pokin' with just two fingers.

 

[SWC]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

I wonder if Randal Cobb of the Packers is any relation?

thats randall the touchdown robber cobber bromigo or just rt2rc as those of us in the loop call him take that to the bank

I just call him "Corn". You can put that in General Douglas McArthur's pipe and smoke it all the way to the bank, bromigo.

great so now we got us folks defending racists and people using non swc sanctioned nicknames well its a real hell of a thing up in here let me tell you that bromigos take that to teh bank

 

[lombardi]

I don't know if he was racist or not. But beat up a dude with no hands? Then when they give him a hard time he says, I don't care if he has no feet? That's a sick dude.

The guy actually had 2 fingers still. So like 1/5 hands.

Oh.

Well never mind then.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

He's probably helped out more black folk directly than any other former athlete.

Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

He might have been an equal opportunity azzhle. Throw in being uneducated from turn of the century rural Georgia and you have a real Peach.

Considering baseball was not even integrated until 1947, there was a lot of racism going around way after Cobb was in the league. Not sure what the point of attacking Cobb is.

I wonder if Randal Cobb of the Packers is any relation?

thats randall the touchdown robber cobber bromigo or just rt2rc as those of us in the loop call him take that to the bank

I just call him "Corn". You can put that in General Douglas McArthur's pipe and smoke it all the way to the bank, bromigo.

great so now we got us folks defending racists and people using non swc sanctioned nicknames well its a real hell of a thing up in here let me tell you that bromigos take that to teh bank

I am willing to go through the official SWC sanctioning process, if it is not too arduous. DW don't do arduous, and you can take that to the savings and loan, bromigo.

 

[zamboni]

I don't know if Cobb was a racist or not but from what I have read he was kind of a richard.

If Ray Liotta says as much, it must be true.