U of Tennessee WR Justin Hunter (1 Viewer)

[Time Kibitzer]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

lol

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

 

[FUBAR]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

Randy Moss disagrees.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

Randy Moss disagrees.

. Huh? He was a star DAY ONE. 17 TDs YEAR ONE. Tell me one coach that got him motivated when he didn't want to do something.

"I play when I wanna play". Truer words were never spoken.

 

[amnesiac]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

 

[amnesiac]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

i think he does have a fairly high ceiling, but it's unlikely he hits it in the near future. it's easy to see why people are high on him though, considering his production last year with limited opportunities.

 

[cstu]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

My opinion of him is that he either becomes one of those guys or is a bust. He's too big and too fast to simply be a solid #2 type of guy.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

 

[werdnoynek]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

Good and thorough posting as usual Bob.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

I agree with you on Hunter. Loads of potential. If that reply was to indicate Hunter can be Horace Grant or Toni Kukoc, then I could see myself agreeing that that could be his basketball equivalent on the Bulls--a mid level star is his ceiling. But I don't believe that was the intent. I could be wrong. Maybe there was no intent to compare, but if that's the case why bring up the Jackson or his teams at all?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think we are another year away from figuring out what Hunter is. He may uptick this year in comparison from last but I do not see an explosion coming ala Alshon (or anything close to it).

 

[az_prof]

I think we are another year away from figuring out what Hunter is. He may uptick this year in comparison from last but I do not see an explosion coming ala Alshon (or anything close to it).

I agree. He doesn't have a QB close to Cutler. And he has two other WRs who will still get a lot of the targets whereas Alshon was able to get the WR2 spot locked down. Washington is getting old but he is more competition than Alshon faced from Bennett.

 

[ORC]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

My opinion of him is that he either becomes one of those guys or is a bust. He's too big and too fast to simply be a solid #2 type of guy.

I'm a little surprised there's been no mention of Dez Bryant. The Cowboys imposed specific "Dez rules" just to make sure that he stayed focused. I just don't think you slap a "JAG" label on the back of a guy's jersey if you don't think he can truly be great. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see it on some other average players.

A lot of people, including the coaches, see the potential to be a Moss/Green type player, and it's their job to get him to that level. The Cowboys did the exact same thing with Dez.

Dez had 63 catches his 2nd year. Hunter said his goal is 60, which is definitely reasonable. Halfway through 2012, Dez still looked like the same guy with potential, but the second half of 2012 he finally reached that potential. It's not a stretch to think Hunter can do the same in 2015. But I agree that he either becomes that guy or flames out.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Clearly there is some middle ground and other alternatives between being one of the greatest WRs ever (Moss and Green) and being a complete bust.

 

[pghrob]

I was interested in seeing to whom the optimists would want to compare Hunter. The query filter apparently was not able to accommodate players drafted via the supplemental draft, as Josh Gordon was not returned with the results.

Query Parameters:

For single seasons, from 1970 to 2014, from 1st to 3rd season, played in the NFL, played WR, drafted as WR, player was drafted in rounds 1 through 2, player was picked between the 1st and the 500th overall pick, player was drafted between 1970 and 2014, requiring Height >= 75, sorted by descending Receptions.

http://pfref.com/tiny/orto1

Rk               Player Year Age Draft  Tm  Lg     Ht     Wt    BMI     G    GS       Rec       Yds       Y/R        TD       Y/G1      Larry Fitzgerald 2005  22   1-3 ARI NFL    6-3    225   28.1    16    16       103      1409     13.68        10      88.12            A.J. Green 2013  25   1-4 CIN NFL    6-4    205   25.0    16    16        98      1426     14.55        11      89.13            A.J. Green 2012  24   1-4 CIN NFL    6-4    205   25.0    16    16        97      1350     13.92        11      84.44      Demaryius Thomas 2012  25  1-22 DEN NFL    6-3    229   28.6    16    16        94      1434     15.26        10      89.65        Alshon Jeffery 2013  23  2-45 CHI NFL    6-4    230   28.0    16    14        89      1421     15.97         7      88.86          Javon Walker 2004  26  1-20 GNB NFL    6-3    220   27.5    16    12        89      1382     15.53        12      86.47               Al Toon 1986  23  1-10 NYJ NFL    6-4    205   25.0    16    16        85      1176     13.84         8      73.58      Keyshawn Johnson 1998  26   1-1 NYJ NFL    6-4    212   25.8    16    16        83      1131     13.63        10      70.79           Sidney Rice 2009  23  2-44 MIN NFL    6-4    200   24.3    16    14        83      1312     15.81         8      82.010         Roy Williams 2006  25   1-7 DET NFL    6-4    210   25.6    16    16        82      1310     15.98         7      81.911      Germane Crowell 1999  23  2-50 DET NFL    6-3    213   26.6    16    15        81      1338     16.52         7      83.612      Michael Clayton 2004  22  1-15 TAM NFL    6-4    197   24.0    16    13        80      1193     14.91         7      74.613      Braylon Edwards 2007  24   1-3 CLE NFL    6-3    211   26.4    16    16        80      1289     16.11        16      80.614           Randy Moss 1999  22  1-21 MIN NFL    6-4    215   26.2    16    16        80      1413     17.66        11      88.315        Andre Johnson 2004  23   1-3 HOU NFL    6-3    219   27.4    16    16        79      1142     14.46         6      71.416          Julio Jones 2012  23   1-6 ATL NFL    6-4    220   26.8    16    15        79      1198     15.16        10      74.917      Plaxico Burress 2002  25   1-8 PIT NFL    6-5    226   26.8    16    15        78      1325     16.99         7      82.818       Calvin Johnson 2008  23   1-2 DET NFL    6-5    239   28.3    16    16        78      1331     17.06        12      83.219           Randy Moss 2000  23  1-21 MIN NFL    6-4    215   26.2    16    16        77      1437     18.66        15      89.820        James Lofton* 1980  24   1-6 GNB NFL    6-3    192   24.0    16    16        71      1226     17.27         4      76.6                                               Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Games Games Receiving Receiving Receiving Receiving ReceivingRk               Player Year Age Draft  Tm  Lg     Ht     Wt    BMI     G    GS       Rec       Yds       Y/R        TD       Y/G21     Keyshawn Johnson 1997  25   1-1 NYJ NFL    6-4    212   25.8    16    16        70       963     13.76         5      60.222     Larry Fitzgerald 2006  23   1-3 ARI NFL    6-3    225   28.1    13    13        69       946     13.71         6      72.823           Randy Moss 1998  21  1-21 MIN NFL    6-4    215   26.2    16    11        69      1313     19.03        17      82.124              Al Toon 1987  24  1-10 NYJ NFL    6-4    205   25.0    12    11        68       976     14.35         5      81.325    Cris Collinsworth 1981  22  2-37 CIN NFL    6-5    192   22.8    16    16        67      1009     15.06         8      63.126       Calvin Johnson 2009  24   1-2 DET NFL    6-5    239   28.3    14    14        67       984     14.69         5      70.327       Vincent Brisby 1995  24  2-56 NWE NFL    6-3    190   23.7    16    16        66       974     14.76         3      60.928      Plaxico Burress 2001  24   1-8 PIT NFL    6-5    226   26.8    16    16        66      1008     15.27         6      63.029    Cris Collinsworth 1983  24  2-37 CIN NFL    6-5    192   22.8    14    14        66      1130     17.12         5      80.730        Andre Johnson 2003  22   1-3 HOU NFL    6-3    219   27.4    16    16        66       976     14.79         4      61.031        Michael Floyd 2013  24  1-13 ARI NFL    6-3    220   27.5    16    16        65      1041     16.02         5      65.132           A.J. Green 2011  23   1-4 CIN NFL    6-4    205   25.0    15    15        65      1057     16.26         7      70.533        Andre Johnson 2005  24   1-3 HOU NFL    6-3    219   27.4    13    13        63       688     10.92         2      52.934     Keyshawn Johnson 1996  24   1-1 NYJ NFL    6-4    212   25.8    14    11        63       844     13.40         8      60.335      Braylon Edwards 2006  23   1-3 CLE NFL    6-3    211   26.4    16    15        61       884     14.49         6      55.336         Herman Moore 1993  24  1-10 DET NFL    6-4    210   25.6    15    15        61       935     15.33         6      62.337        Todd Pinkston 2002  25  2-36 PHI NFL    6-3    180   22.5    15    15        60       798     13.30         7      53.238       Vincent Brisby 1994  23  2-56 NWE NFL    6-3    190   23.7    14    11        58       904     15.59         5      64.639     Larry Fitzgerald 2004  21   1-3 ARI NFL    6-3    225   28.1    16    16        58       780     13.45         8      48.840            Art Monk* 1980  23  1-18 WAS NFL    6-3    210   26.2    16    11        58       797     13.74         3      49.8                                               Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Games Games Receiving Receiving Receiving Receiving ReceivingRk               Player Year Age Draft  Tm  Lg     Ht     Wt    BMI     G    GS       Rec       Yds       Y/R        TD       Y/G41          J.J. Stokes 1997  25  1-10 SFO NFL    6-4    218   26.5    16    16        58       733     12.64         4      45.842        Chris Burkett 1987  25  2-42 BUF NFL    6-4    205   25.0    12    12        56       765     13.66         4      63.843            Art Monk* 1981  24  1-18 WAS NFL    6-3    210   26.2    16    16        56       894     15.96         6      55.944          Julio Jones 2011  22   1-6 ATL NFL    6-4    220   26.8    13    13        54       959     17.76         8      73.845         Ashley Lelie 2004  24  1-19 DEN NFL    6-3    200   25.0    16    16        54      1084     20.07         7      67.846        James Lofton* 1979  23   1-6 GNB NFL    6-3    192   24.0    16    16        54       968     17.93         4      60.547         Roy Williams 2004  23   1-7 DET NFL    6-4    210   25.6    14    12        54       817     15.13         8      58.448         Sean Dawkins 1995  24  1-16 IND NFL    6-4    215   26.2    16    13        52       784     15.08         3      49.049         Earnest Gray 1980  23  2-36 NYG NFL    6-3    195   24.4    16    16        52       777     14.94        10      48.650      Reggie Williams 2006  23   1-9 JAX NFL    6-4    225   27.4    16    14        52       616     11.85         4      38.551         Sean Dawkins 1994  23  1-16 IND NFL    6-4    215   26.2    16    16        51       742     14.55         5      46.452         Herman Moore 1992  23  1-10 DET NFL    6-4    210   25.6    12    11        51       966     18.94         4      80.553    Cris Collinsworth 1982  23  2-37 CIN NFL    6-5    192   22.8     9     9        49       700     14.29         1      77.854       Hart Lee Dykes 1989  23  1-16 NWE NFL    6-4    218   26.5    16     6        49       795     16.22         5      49.755       Calvin Johnson 2007  22   1-2 DET NFL    6-5    239   28.3    15    10        48       756     15.75         4      50.456     Sylvester Morris 2000  23  1-21 KAN NFL    6-3    206   25.7    15    14        48       678     14.13         3      45.257        James Lofton* 1978  22   1-6 GNB NFL    6-3    192   24.0    16    16        46       818     17.78         6      51.158              Al Toon 1985  22  1-10 NYJ NFL    6-4    205   25.0    15     8        46       662     14.39         3      44.159       Vincent Brisby 1993  22  2-56 NWE NFL    6-3    190   23.7    16    12        45       626     13.91         2      39.160        Michael Floyd 2012  23  1-13 ARI NFL    6-3    220   27.5    16     3        45       562     12.49         2      35.1                                               Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Games Games Receiving Receiving Receiving Receiving ReceivingRk               Player Year Age Draft  Tm  Lg     Ht     Wt    BMI     G    GS       Rec       Yds       Y/R        TD       Y/G61         Jordy Nelson 2010  25  2-36 GNB NFL    6-3    215   26.9    16     4        45       582     12.93         2      36.462         Roy Williams 2005  24   1-7 DET NFL    6-4    210   25.6    13    12        45       687     15.27         8      52.863           Roger Carr 1976  24  1-24 BAL NFL    6-3    200   25.0    14    14        43      1112     25.86        11      79.464        David Terrell 2003  24   1-8 CHI NFL    6-3    215   26.9    16     7        43       361      8.40         1      22.665          Kenny Britt 2010  22  1-30 TEN NFL    6-3    215   26.9    12     7        42       775     18.45         9      64.666          Kenny Britt 2009  21  1-30 TEN NFL    6-3    215   26.9    16     6        42       701     16.69         3      43.867        Todd Pinkston 2001  24  2-36 PHI NFL    6-3    180   22.5    15    15        42       586     13.95         4      39.168      Vincent Jackson 2007  24  2-61 SDG NFL    6-5    241   28.6    16    16        41       623     15.20         3      38.969          Julio Jones 2013  24   1-6 ATL NFL    6-4    220   26.8     5     5        41       580     14.15         2     116.070           Matt Jones 2006  23  1-21 JAX NFL    6-6    242   28.0    14     4        41       643     15.68         4      45.971        Rueben Randle 2013  22  2-63 NYG NFL    6-4    205   25.0    16     3        41       611     14.90         6      38.272         Javon Walker 2003  25  1-20 GNB NFL    6-3    220   27.5    16     3        41       716     17.46         9      44.873         Billy Brooks 1977  24  1-11 CIN NFL    6-3    204   25.5    14     9        39       772     19.79         4      55.174      Michael Jenkins 2006  24  1-29 ATL NFL    6-4    217   26.4    16    16        39       436     11.18         7      27.375          J.J. Stokes 1995  23  1-10 SFO NFL    6-4    218   26.5    12     2        38       517     13.61         4      43.176         Aaron Dobson 2013  22  2-59 NWE NFL    6-3    210   26.2    12     9        37       519     14.03         4      43.377         Ashley Lelie 2003  23  1-19 DEN NFL    6-3    200   25.0    16    10        37       628     16.97         2      39.378         Alvin Harper 1993  25  1-12 DAL NFL    6-3    210   26.2    16    15        36       777     21.58         5      48.679      Michael Jenkins 2005  23  1-29 ATL NFL    6-4    217   26.4    14    12        36       508     14.11         3      36.380           Matt Jones 2005  22  1-21 JAX NFL    6-6    242   28.0    16     1        36       432     12.00         5      27.0                                               Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Ht  Wt Games Games Receiving Receiving Receiving Receiving ReceivingRk               Player Year Age Draft  Tm  Lg     Ht     Wt    BMI     G    GS       Rec       Yds       Y/R        TD       Y/G81         Alvin Harper 1992  24  1-12 DAL NFL    6-3    210   26.2    16    13        35       562     16.06         4      35.182         Ashley Lelie 2002  22  1-19 DEN NFL    6-3    200   25.0    16     1        35       525     15.00         2      32.883            Art Monk* 1982  25  1-18 WAS NFL    6-3    210   26.2     9     9        35       447     12.77         1      49.784         Daryl Turner 1984  23  2-49 SEA NFL    6-3    194   24.2    16     8        35       715     20.43        10      44.785      Reggie Williams 2005  22   1-9 JAX NFL    6-4    225   27.4    16     7        35       445     12.71         0      27.886        Chris Burkett 1986  24  2-42 BUF NFL    6-4    205   25.0    14    10        34       778     22.88         4      55.687      Germane Crowell 2000  24  2-50 DET NFL    6-3    213   26.6     9     7        34       430     12.65         3      47.888       Hart Lee Dykes 1990  24  1-16 NWE NFL    6-4    218   26.5    10    10        34       549     16.15         2      54.989        David Terrell 2001  22   1-8 CHI NFL    6-3    215   26.9    16     6        34       415     12.21         4      25.990         Daryl Turner 1985  24  2-49 SEA NFL    6-3    194   24.2    16    12        34       670     19.71        13      41.991    Michael Westbrook 1997  25   1-4 WAS NFL    6-3    220   27.5    13     9        34       559     16.44         3      43.092    Michael Westbrook 1996  24   1-4 WAS NFL    6-3    220   27.5    11     6        34       505     14.85         1      45.993    Michael Westbrook 1995  23   1-4 WAS NFL    6-3    220   27.5    11     9        34       522     15.35         1      47.594      Michael Clayton 2006  24  1-15 TAM NFL    6-4    197   24.0    12     9        33       356     10.79         1      29.795      Walker Gillette 1972  25  1-15 STL NFL    6-5    200   23.7    14    13        33       550     16.67         2      39.396         Jordy Nelson 2008  23  2-36 GNB NFL    6-3    215   26.9    16     2        33       366     11.09         2      22.997      Michael Clayton 2005  23  1-15 TAM NFL    6-4    197   24.0    14    10        32       372     11.63         0      26.698      Braylon Edwards 2005  22   1-3 CLE NFL    6-3    211   26.4    10     7        32       512     16.00         3      51.299     Demaryius Thomas 2011  24  1-22 DEN NFL    6-3    229   28.6    11     5        32       551     17.22         4      50.1100         Sidney Rice 2007  21  2-44 MIN NFL    6-4    200   24.3    13     4        31       396     12.77         4      30.5

 

[ORC]

Getting a little more specific than the last post, in the past 20 years, there have been 11 rookie receivers (including Hunter) to have the following criteria:

- Drafted in first 2 rounds

- 6'3 or taller

- More than 300 receiving yards

- Greater than 15 yards per catch

They are: Hunter, Randy Moss, Germane Crowell, Julio Jones, Kenny Britt, AJ Green, Braylon Edwards, Calvin Johnson, Michael Westbrook, Alshon Jeffery, and Roy Williams.

To me, there are two distinct groups here: Moss, Julio, AJ, Calvin, Alshon in 1 group. Crowell, Britt, Braylon, Westbrook, Roy Williams in the other. Kenny Britt is the only guy on this list to not have a 1,000 yard season.

The second group certainly doesn't fall under the "complete bust" category, but Britt, Braylon Edwards and Roy Williams are certainly the type of guys the coaches are hoping he doesn't mimic. They want to motivate him to put in the work like the first group.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Justin Hunter - WR - Titans

According to the Nashville Tennessean, "not a practice goes by" without highlight-reel catches from second-year WR Justin Hunter.

Reporter Jim Wyatt's observation comes one day after Titans WRs coach Shawn Jefferson made Hunter wear a jersey with "JAG" on the back, standing for "Just Another Guy." Hunter's physical talent is undeniable. If he takes a step forward in attitude and effort, he's a breakout year waiting to happen.

Source: Nashville Tennessean

Aug 12 - 8:41 PM

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Still have my fingers crossed on him and I think he's worth a shot late. Locker was showing some signs of life before he he was injured.

 

[Bri]

Love the "Just another guy" label on his jersey to keep him in line

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

My opinion of him is that he either becomes one of those guys or is a bust. He's too big and too fast to simply be a solid #2 type of guy.

I'm a little surprised there's been no mention of Dez Bryant. The Cowboys imposed specific "Dez rules" just to make sure that he stayed focused. I just don't think you slap a "JAG" label on the back of a guy's jersey if you don't think he can truly be great. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see it on some other average players.

A lot of people, including the coaches, see the potential to be a Moss/Green type player, and it's their job to get him to that level. The Cowboys did the exact same thing with Dez.

Dez had 63 catches his 2nd year. Hunter said his goal is 60, which is definitely reasonable. Halfway through 2012, Dez still looked like the same guy with potential, but the second half of 2012 he finally reached that potential. It's not a stretch to think Hunter can do the same in 2015. But I agree that he either becomes that guy or flames out.

The Dez Rules are for off the field, not on it. He's gone balls out on the field since day one.

 

[ourmanflint]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

My opinion of him is that he either becomes one of those guys or is a bust. He's too big and too fast to simply be a solid #2 type of guy.

I'm a little surprised there's been no mention of Dez Bryant. The Cowboys imposed specific "Dez rules" just to make sure that he stayed focused. I just don't think you slap a "JAG" label on the back of a guy's jersey if you don't think he can truly be great. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see it on some other average players.

A lot of people, including the coaches, see the potential to be a Moss/Green type player, and it's their job to get him to that level. The Cowboys did the exact same thing with Dez.

Dez had 63 catches his 2nd year. Hunter said his goal is 60, which is definitely reasonable. Halfway through 2012, Dez still looked like the same guy with potential, but the second half of 2012 he finally reached that potential. It's not a stretch to think Hunter can do the same in 2015. But I agree that he either becomes that guy or flames out.

The Dez Rules are for off the field, not on it. He's gone balls out on the field since day one.

That isn't true. His work ethic was in question during the first couple years.

 

[King of the Jungle]

i agree the hype has gotten to be a bit much for this year.

but i was excited to draft him last year on dynasty on a few teams, and remain optimistic for his long term prospects if he continues to grow and mature.

not sure what the disagreement is here.

are there specific reasons anyone thinks he can't continue to develop?

I just think some expect him to become Moss or Green. I disagree with that, but I think he can become solid as I stated earlier.

My opinion of him is that he either becomes one of those guys or is a bust. He's too big and too fast to simply be a solid #2 type of guy.

I'm a little surprised there's been no mention of Dez Bryant. The Cowboys imposed specific "Dez rules" just to make sure that he stayed focused. I just don't think you slap a "JAG" label on the back of a guy's jersey if you don't think he can truly be great. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see it on some other average players.

A lot of people, including the coaches, see the potential to be a Moss/Green type player, and it's their job to get him to that level. The Cowboys did the exact same thing with Dez.

Dez had 63 catches his 2nd year. Hunter said his goal is 60, which is definitely reasonable. Halfway through 2012, Dez still looked like the same guy with potential, but the second half of 2012 he finally reached that potential. It's not a stretch to think Hunter can do the same in 2015. But I agree that he either becomes that guy or flames out.

The Dez Rules are for off the field, not on it. He's gone balls out on the field since day one.

That isn't true. His work ethic was in question during the first couple years.

I don't recall that at all. His intelligence maybe (learning the system), but I don't recall him being criticized for his work ethic.

 

[Bob Magaw]

My recollection is the baby sitter business was precipitated by the assault and/or battery charge involving Bryant's mother.

I don't recall many issues on the field in DAL*, though he was criticized for appearing out of shape and not finishing drills at his personal workout, prior to the draft (which may be one reason he dropped to the 20s).

* There have been some incidents, but having more to do with judgement than work ethic. He had a blow out over play calling on the sideline in which Witten got into it with him. May have been a different time when he headed to the locker room before the game was over, which isn't very professional, but doesn't reflect on his in game effort and intensity.

 

[ourmanflint]

My recollection is the baby sitter business was precipitated by the assault and/or battery charge involving Bryant's mother.

I don't recall many issues on the field in DAL*, though he was criticized for appearing out of shape and not finishing drills at his personal workout, prior to the draft (which may be one reason he dropped to the 20s).

* There have been some incidents, but having more to do with judgement than work ethic. He had a blow out over play calling on the sideline in which Witten got into it with him. May have been a different time when he headed to the locker room before the game was over, which isn't very professional, but doesn't reflect on his in game effort and intensity.

Early in his career he would disappear in the 2nd half of games. His focus and conditioning were called into question for a couple of years.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Most WRs (like Hunter) don't light it up as rookies.

In year two Bryant was 63-928-9 and year three 92-1,382-12.

What you said rang a bell a little, but maybe it is a case of remembering certain games or stretches, and shouldn't define entire seasons. Those are pretty strong year 2-3 numbers, ever for WRs that are unambiguously focused and well conditioned.

* And, again, the baby sitter business stemmed from off-field issues, not related to effort.

 

[Bri]

Love the "Just another guy" label on his jersey to keep him in line

sorry to quote myself, found a pic to share http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Justin-Hunter-JAG.jpg

 

[Brewtown]

He is an absolute steal in redraft this year!

You can get him so late....

He could put up WR2 numbers...

STUD!!!

 

[Sabertooth]

I think he;s going to bust.

 

[az_prof]

Dude won't have to wear JAG this week--that's for sure.

 

[steveski]

Obviously his stat line is beautiful but how did he look? Nice catches or blown coverage?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Looking forward to seeing him later.

4-111-2 (including a 64 yard TD).

 

[cstu]

Obviously his stat line is beautiful but how did he look? Nice catches or blown coverage?

The first 4 yard TD was a battle he should win most of the time. The DB fell down on the 64 yard TD.

 

[karmarooster]

Obviously his stat line is beautiful but how did he look? Nice catches or blown coverage?

The first 4 yard TD was a battle he should win most of the time. The DB fell down on the 64 yard TD.

The DB fell down but Hunter had serious speed there. And the end zone jump ball looked so easy. He's gonna be a stud.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Was at the game tonight, he looked great.

 

[Brewtown]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

There is an art to not writing too much...

 

[Pots]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

There is an art to not writing too much...

Some people don't like catering to the ADD crowd.

 

[Milkman]

How much does this hurt Kendall Wright's value?

 

[The Kerminator]

How much does this hurt Kendall Wright's value?

How much does this help Jake Locker's value?

 

[Milkman]

Well throw that in my face.

 

[Archer]

Just watched the game, and yes, he looked good, real good. Ceiling is huge IMO. Hate that I traded him away in 1 dynasty league last year. Not sure if its this year or next, but I could see him as a top 10-15 WR if Locker can get him the ball.

 

[pghrob]

Hodgepodge of qb's got Gordon the ball last year. Dalton gets Green the ball. Locker will find Hunter.

 

[JackReacher]

Mettenberger displayed a cannon last night, another bit of hope for the future for Hunter owners

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He is an absolute steal in redraft this year!

You can get him so late....

He could put up WR2 numbers...

STUD!!!

yeah, how late can you get him now?

 

[Faust]

Titans' Hunter shows why he's not 'Just Another Guy':

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000378661/article/titans-hunter-shows-why-hes-not-just-another-guy

 

[az_prof]

How much does this hurt Kendall Wright's value?

Short term, if Hunter emerges it doesn't hurt Wright's value at all--maybe even helps. Long term I guess it could hurt if Hunter truly becomes elite and Wright comes to be seen as expendable. But Hunter has a lot more to prove before we get to that point.

 

[Bri]

Mettenberger displayed a cannon last night, another bit of hope for the future for Hunter owners

I like him a lot.

He doesn't seem to have any fear or any time wasted thinking. He's too young so sometimes that's going to lead to mistakes, but I love a guy that snaps it and has zero fear in firing the ball.

ESPN highlights show a fumble and an INT and they just mention 20 of 25. That's great especially when you consider he threw the rock downfield plenty. I think this game will stew this week and if he does well next week, he'll create a good amount of fan interest.

I doubt he plays this year, but if Locker stinks then I'd like to see him over Whitehurst.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

The Bulls and Lakers had more than two players on their teams that won multiple championships, Jackson's coaching could have impacted on them as well. Jackson did have the benefit of some great players, but it is an open question if the team's he coached would have done the same without him. Not sure Shaq is the best example of a driven player, if he played with the intensity of Rodman he would have averaged 20-25 rebounds per game.

You are the only person making the straw man comparisons you are laughing at. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest in NBA history. Hunter could have something less than their level of intensity and urgency in his practice habits and play (similar to 99% of NBA and NFL players) and have upside over his current ADP in redraft and dynasty. Whisenhunt doesn't have to be identical to Vince Lombardi or John Wooden to make the point that different players don't have the exact same level of self-motivation, and can respond to coaching differently.

It may not be as black and white as there are only two categories, transcendently talented players that are always self-motivated and worthless players that need constant prodding, that is extremely simplistic, there are a continuum of possibilities (with most of them probably not occupying the extremes - players like Jordan are by definition rare). Hunter doesn't need to be as driven or play with the hair on fire intensity of Jerry Rice every practice snap to be productive.

Moss and Green were mentioned below. I can't speak to every context those names have been thrown around in the thread, but some were sceptical that Hunter could play at a high level being so skinny, and it was pointed out early on that he had a similar build to those two (therefore, his lack of David Boston-like physical stature isn't NECESSARILY a deal breaker). I haven't seen too many state Hunter's talent and game have a 100% correspondence with them, or that his career should be expected to unfold identically. Taking things too literally causes a lot of mischief.

If someone said an updated road map was useful for driving from Los Angeles to New York because it accurately showed some recent road changes, I wouldn't be LMAO and saying that was a horrible example because it isn't identical in a one-to-one-correspondence manner with the terrain it is mapping, and isn't more than 3,000 miles wide because it needed to be scaled to fold-up glove box size.

* I think Hunter has future WR1 physical ability and talent, but don't know if he will realize it. Fortunately, at his prices, you don't have to blow up your team to acquire him as if he was a lock to be a WR1. Needless to say, there is a lot of room for him to not be a WR1 (let alone a one of the greatest WRs in NFL history analogue to Michael Jordan ) and still have upside over his current redraft and dynasty ADP.

There is an art to not writing too much...

There is an art in not peppering the board with countless instances of self-quotes stating the equivalent of, RBs are awesome, YAY!!!!!!!!!!

 

[T with T]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille Oneal did not, I repeat, NOT need motivating. Horrible example. They needed Phil for getting then to trust each other. They were going to be superstars with or without him.

Oh and lmao at comparing Hunter to those guys and Wisenhunt to Phil. Pure comedy!

If you are a crap/fringe player, maybe motivation and punishment are things you need. True stars don't need it. The drive is inherent in their DNA.

Just watch and see. This will continue to be a recurring theme with Hunter. Bad practice habits, poor routes, and alligator arms over the middle.

Ya Jordan was just a bigger whiner and Phil a pure dipwad.. Otherwise I see the comparison. As far as Justin Hunter goes I think he looked impressive and could be a sleeper in 14

 

[T with T]

Players should have their own motivation. At least the great ones do. This is not a good sign for him becoming the superstar many believe IMO. This is not the first time he has been put in the corner. I think he can be a decent player, but he may not have "it".

If superstars all just motivated themselves and didn't need coaches pushing their buttons, I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would have a lot fewer championship rings. And Bill Parcells would have a much shorter resume.

I read somewhere that Michael was a science project and phil was his handler. Also Dean Smith was said to be his handler over in North Carolina. Funny thing is their is a whole bunch of army/airforce bases over in UNC. Maybe the guy was a MKULTRA for nba to make Billions... haha