sheerterror
Footballguy
No idea where all this Serra love is coming from, but I just put a half unit on Trigg at +150. I'm a Serra fan but this is a great, great price on Trigg given respective skill sets.
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sheerterror
Footballguy
The Gracie-Beltran line went absolutely nuts before going off the board. It was sitting at -475 at Betus for a while, went to -550 after Performify posted his picks, and then probably around 630 EST it jumped to -800...was as high as -1100 in other places...insane for a guy making his UFC debut.I completely agree here. I know Performify is a bit of a fanboy for Trigg, and with Trigg doing the MMAJunkie radio show i do wonder if there is any influence. I just looked again though, and I realized that i originally thought he had 4 units on trigg, not .4. That makes more sense. I agree the card is weak, but i think Tuchscherer is a valuable pick at around -200, and i think Nover is a good pick at his odds. I also just did my infamous dopey plays, and put a little on Brian Stann at +210 and Beltran at +375. One of these days i will exercise some discipline with those, it is these damn late night plays, get me almost all of the time.
modogg
Footballguy
funny stuff, i just did the same thing. i used to be pretty good and determining how some of these lines would move, but i didn't see the movement that occurred on this card. i'm pissed i grabbed Guillard at -135, he is +115 now.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I just am going by what serra did with Hughes (very nearly (did?) beat him) recently. Hughes > Trigg. I know, I know .... MMAth. But Trigg and Hughes stylistically are not that different.
I can see Trigg eeking out a boring decision. But I think it's more likely Serra catches him in something.
I can see Trigg eeking out a boring decision. But I think it's more likely Serra catches him in something.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
Odds that it is a rear naked choke followed by a shot of Hughes in the crowd (if he is there)?
sheerterror
Footballguy
Probably around +1000, given that Serra hasn't submitted anyone in the octagon since 1932.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Looking great so far Mo. It's a shame you didn't wait a bit on Beltran as the line closed at nearly double that.I completely agree here. I know Performify is a bit of a fanboy for Trigg, and with Trigg doing the MMAJunkie radio show i do wonder if there is any influence. I just looked again though, and I realized that i originally thought he had 4 units on trigg, not .4. That makes more sense. I agree the card is weak, but i think Tuchscherer is a valuable pick at around -200, and i think Nover is a good pick at his odds. I also just did my infamous dopey plays, and put a little on Brian Stann at +210 and Beltran at +375. One of these days i will exercise some discipline with those, it is these damn late night plays, get me almost all of the time.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Actually, it's +600 and I just took it. Also bet on Swick and Torres
I've been staring at Marquardt at -350 for over a month just waiting for it to get a little better. No it is -500 and I'm wishing I took it at -350.
modogg
Footballguy
I got sucked in by the odds, but i agreed with you here. I was never impressed with Trigg, and have no idea why people felt he could win this fight. i got sucked in again with all of the "experts" saying Trigg would win this one. I didn't know what they were seeing either, Trigg just always seems to enter a fight with no passion for it.
modogg
Footballguy
It helped me out with Nover, man i look forward to catching that fight at some point. I also know i bet against Emerson too much because he is such a deuche. A profitable night, and in all honesty i can't remember the last time i have had a losing night in MMA.Looking great so far Mo. It's a shame you didn't wait a bit on Beltran as the line closed at nearly double that.I completely agree here. I know Performify is a bit of a fanboy for Trigg, and with Trigg doing the MMAJunkie radio show i do wonder if there is any influence. I just looked again though, and I realized that i originally thought he had 4 units on trigg, not .4
Prediction for next card: Mo's picks 0-5And i look forward to trying out some more of those. These books are getting too nutty with these lines. Like you mentioned, they had Gracie at -1100. I can't believe money came that big on Gracie, and there is no reason to put a line that high for a UFC fight. These insane lines are more recent, and i just have no idea why they let it get that high. Beltran wasn't that horrendous coming in.I also put money on Paulo Thiago and Couture at -340 just now. I was ecstatic about taking Fitch over Thiago for UFC 100, but when i watched that fight i was impressed by Thiago. and Couture at -340 is not great odds, but i got itchy and am up for the event.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Is Sonnen the upset of the year? I've been drinking, a lot, so maybe I'm forgetting something obvious....but who saw that coming?
sheerterror
Footballguy
Ugh, lost much more last night than I should have given that it was clearly not a card worth betting much of anything on. Quite a few underdogs came up big and the books CLEANED up last night.I wouldn't call Sonnen the upset of the year, as that line was way out of wack. I don't want this to sound like hindsight (I did mention this earlier, and I also had more on Nate than I probably should have) but any time you've got a wrestler as strong as Sonnen - although I didn't think he would have THAT smothering of a top game - there's always the potential that he will be able to successful neutralize all of the other advantages a well rounded fight like Nate has over him. That line was a victim of books overinflating favorites of late based on public perception of things like a fighter's most recent win and what's at stake for fighter A if he comes away successful. I've now bet against Sonnen in his last 3 fights, and I'm wondering when I'm going to smarten up. Makes you appreciate just how important a strong wrestling background, and the proper enacting of a gameplan really is in this sport.ETA: I'm not on the Sonnen bandwagon now by any means, but I will say this - he has the skill set needed to beat Anderson Silva IMO. Without trying to overblow it or analyzing technique or anything like that, Sonnen's got a very similar game to Dan Henderson. If Sonnen can employ the same gameplan against AS that he did against Marquardt (obviously a huge IF) he can win some rounds. As deadly of a striker as Silva is, and as tough as he is off his back, Sonnen's got some very explosive takedowns and possibly the strongest base from top position in the sport right now. If Silve is unable to stop Sonnen's takedowns, he could certainly end up taking some punishment and losing rounds with the judges. It's going to be hard to shy away from the +500 or whatever it is we may very well see on Chael when the lines for that open...assuming Silva gets past Belfort.
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BillyBarooo
Footballguy
Coleman is 1 year younger than Couture, but looked like he could've been his grandfather last night. just awful. Hope he really does love his family as much as he says, cause he'll have plenty of time to spend with them now that his career is overTat said:
modogg
Footballguy
i love things like that. i get guys like that, and right now mine is Jake Shields. For me, it was a big upset, but i think i may have looked at it wrong. I really felt that nate training with Rashad and GSP constantly would have Nate better prepared for the wrestling he faced. You might be able to throw Carwin in there too, i just don't know how Nate was unable to get past that. it does have me thinking about the Silva fight, but i think there is no way that Chael can do that for 5 rounds.sheerterror said:
kutta
Footballguy
Well I wasn't sure what to bet on and was really torn about a few of the fights. We went to the weigh-ins on Friday afternoon and they showed a segment on Paulo Thiago. I thought the guy looked and sounded like a total bad ### (in the elite special forces in Brazil). I knew Swick was taking the fight on relatively short notice, so I decided to bet $100 on Thiago at +180. That's the only bet I made, and it turned out great.
At the same time I put $100 on the Saints money line at +180, so it was a good weekend of sports betting for me.
At the same time I put $100 on the Saints money line at +180, so it was a good weekend of sports betting for me.
kutta
Footballguy
Made just enough to pay for dinner
modogg
Footballguy
I still can't figure out how Stephan Bonner lost to Coleman. That was the fight in the back of my head before i laid down some money on Randy. If i were Stephan, i would have to really re-think my approach
modogg
Footballguy
Man it took some time to find this thread. i think UFC 110 will be a good card, and i got a few bets in now:
biggest bet: Jardine +130 over Bader: i wrote about a little about this on the wagering thread, but i have liked this bet for awhile. i like it for a variety of reasons (which i am too tired to explain now, but can explain later if anybody cares). The only way i see Bader winning this is if he is able to lay on Jardine for 3 rounds. People are talking about Bader knocking out Jardine with a suspect chin, but i just can not see that. Bader is not a striker, and the biggest effect here is his strikes are slow and predictable. Jardine got destroyed against Alexander, and both Silvas, and all 3 of these guys are significantly better strikers then Bader. I think Jardine can pepper Bader with leg kicks, and i have to think that the preperation for Bader was all avoiding/defending takedowns.
also have some plays on:
Sotiropoulos +210 over Joe Daddy for .35 unit - i think this line is way off, George has good stand-up and a good ground game. I think this will e lost money because Joe Daddy under the Jackson camp looks awesome, but George is not that easy of a fight, and the reach advantage for George should be significant
K - Soszynski -175 over Bonner for .5 unit - I don't know about this one, but Performify has this as his big bet of the night. I think he is underestimating Bonner, but i tailed for .5 unit to see if he is on
Reljic over CB Dalloway for 1.25 units - Not much to explain here, CB is a bit of a one trick poney that has not looked impressive in any of his fights, in my opinion. He can get caught in a sub at any time, and Reljic has a definitive advantage on his feet.
Foster over Lytle for 1.25 units - I have been impressed with Foster, especially with his fight against Brock Larson. I think the guy is for real, and the only reason this isn't a bigger bet for me is because Lytle always comes to fight and always has a puncher's chance. i just think Foster will keep on moving up the ladder for a bit.
Big question for the MMA fans though, and that is what is the opinion on Nog-Valasquez. I have a unit bet on Cain at even odds, and i can buy out of it pretty much at this point if i want to. I think the fight is basically a toss-up and nog's performance against Randy was very impressive. The question is will it look the same against a much younger Valasquez? i will likely buy out of this bet, the question is should i buy completely out or does Cain have a legit chance to win here.
biggest bet: Jardine +130 over Bader: i wrote about a little about this on the wagering thread, but i have liked this bet for awhile. i like it for a variety of reasons (which i am too tired to explain now, but can explain later if anybody cares). The only way i see Bader winning this is if he is able to lay on Jardine for 3 rounds. People are talking about Bader knocking out Jardine with a suspect chin, but i just can not see that. Bader is not a striker, and the biggest effect here is his strikes are slow and predictable. Jardine got destroyed against Alexander, and both Silvas, and all 3 of these guys are significantly better strikers then Bader. I think Jardine can pepper Bader with leg kicks, and i have to think that the preperation for Bader was all avoiding/defending takedowns.
also have some plays on:
Sotiropoulos +210 over Joe Daddy for .35 unit - i think this line is way off, George has good stand-up and a good ground game. I think this will e lost money because Joe Daddy under the Jackson camp looks awesome, but George is not that easy of a fight, and the reach advantage for George should be significant
K - Soszynski -175 over Bonner for .5 unit - I don't know about this one, but Performify has this as his big bet of the night. I think he is underestimating Bonner, but i tailed for .5 unit to see if he is on
Reljic over CB Dalloway for 1.25 units - Not much to explain here, CB is a bit of a one trick poney that has not looked impressive in any of his fights, in my opinion. He can get caught in a sub at any time, and Reljic has a definitive advantage on his feet.
Foster over Lytle for 1.25 units - I have been impressed with Foster, especially with his fight against Brock Larson. I think the guy is for real, and the only reason this isn't a bigger bet for me is because Lytle always comes to fight and always has a puncher's chance. i just think Foster will keep on moving up the ladder for a bit.
Big question for the MMA fans though, and that is what is the opinion on Nog-Valasquez. I have a unit bet on Cain at even odds, and i can buy out of it pretty much at this point if i want to. I think the fight is basically a toss-up and nog's performance against Randy was very impressive. The question is will it look the same against a much younger Valasquez? i will likely buy out of this bet, the question is should i buy completely out or does Cain have a legit chance to win here.
sheerterror
Footballguy
My two biggest plays for this card on are Soszynski over Bonnar and Silva over Bisping (and no, I'm not riding Performify's jock here.)
Bonnar is garbage and for the life of me, I can't figure out a way for him to get in a position to utilize his one path to victory which is submission. Sos has a sizeable wrestling advantage so it's highly unlikely Bonnar will be able to score a takedown, and Bonnar lacks the power in his stand up to stun Sos and get top position IMO. Conversely, Soszynski's got the power to hurt Bonnar standing, the wrestling ability/body control to take him down and win rounds while avoiding and offense Bonnar may be able to mount from his back, and some decent submission skills of his own. Like that -175 for a 1.5u play.
The only thing that really worries me about backing Silva is that this is his first fight at MW, so I worry that the cut may have drained some of his stamina. Other than that, he's going to outclass a still overrated Michael Bisping. This fight, to me, wreaks of a "gimme" to get Silva back in the win column against a "name" opponent in Bisping and, ideally for the UFC, beefen up the MW title picture. While Silva has struggled in the UFC with a 1-3 record, let's not forget that he's lost to some of the best in the world. 2007 Chuck Liddell, Rampage Jackson, Rich Franklin, Michael Bisping - which of these names does not belong? I'm on Wandy for 1.5u also, and would make this a substantially larger play if I wasn't worried about the weight cut.
Mo, I do like your pick of Jardine, and will likely tail you on that. Haven't watched enough of Bader's fights, but I think Jardine has enough takedown defense to keep the fight standing where he should be able to outpoint Bader. No opinion on Nog-Cain as that one is just way too close to call IMO, so I'm just looking forward to a great fight there. Joe Daddy has looked damn good since switching over to Jackson's, but that's line inflation at it's best and not worth a play IMO...the value's on George but I wouldn't expect it to win, that's one of those plays you make because you feel like those types of bets will win you money in the long term.
Bonnar is garbage and for the life of me, I can't figure out a way for him to get in a position to utilize his one path to victory which is submission. Sos has a sizeable wrestling advantage so it's highly unlikely Bonnar will be able to score a takedown, and Bonnar lacks the power in his stand up to stun Sos and get top position IMO. Conversely, Soszynski's got the power to hurt Bonnar standing, the wrestling ability/body control to take him down and win rounds while avoiding and offense Bonnar may be able to mount from his back, and some decent submission skills of his own. Like that -175 for a 1.5u play.
The only thing that really worries me about backing Silva is that this is his first fight at MW, so I worry that the cut may have drained some of his stamina. Other than that, he's going to outclass a still overrated Michael Bisping. This fight, to me, wreaks of a "gimme" to get Silva back in the win column against a "name" opponent in Bisping and, ideally for the UFC, beefen up the MW title picture. While Silva has struggled in the UFC with a 1-3 record, let's not forget that he's lost to some of the best in the world. 2007 Chuck Liddell, Rampage Jackson, Rich Franklin, Michael Bisping - which of these names does not belong? I'm on Wandy for 1.5u also, and would make this a substantially larger play if I wasn't worried about the weight cut.
Mo, I do like your pick of Jardine, and will likely tail you on that. Haven't watched enough of Bader's fights, but I think Jardine has enough takedown defense to keep the fight standing where he should be able to outpoint Bader. No opinion on Nog-Cain as that one is just way too close to call IMO, so I'm just looking forward to a great fight there. Joe Daddy has looked damn good since switching over to Jackson's, but that's line inflation at it's best and not worth a play IMO...the value's on George but I wouldn't expect it to win, that's one of those plays you make because you feel like those types of bets will win you money in the long term.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I jumped on Jardine @ +150 and now I am am tempted to make a play on Bader the more I think about the fight. It is really surprising that in all of his UFC fights, we have not seen much of Jardine's guard game or his takedown defense, strange because seemingly the entire LHW division wants to stand and throw. I think Bader's wrestling pedigree will allow him to control where the fight takes place, so that if Jardine is getting the better of him standing, he can probably take Jardine down and steal the round. For being always near the top 10 of the LHW division, Jardine really doesn't bring any overly threatening tools into this fight. I am starting to realize that LHW is a really top heavy division.For Nog - Cain, I am leaning towards Nogueria. I don't think Cain can finish Nog, and Nog can threaten to finish Cain from any position. I don't think Cain will clearly get the better of Nog standing and that means Cain will have to win this fight in Nog's guard. I am not comfortable betting on anyone, aside from Fedor, at even money to survive 10+ minutes without getting swept or subbed in Nog's guard.
modogg
Footballguy
you're right, and i may have used up my one with the Mexicutioner over Rolles Gracie last UFC. I do think the lightweights in that camp will make some noise though, with Joe Daddy, Melvin Guillard, and Donald Cerrone (and i think i am missing someone too). i think these 3 will gain from eachother and will all improve. My thought on Bisping-Wandy is it is a tough call, because i am not sure what to expect from Wandy. i believe he is 1-3 in his last 4 fights, and the win was against Jardine who is a great match-up for Silva. I assume Silva should maintain his power with the weight cut, but the thing with Bisping is he has fought big strikers before, and the only one that knocked him out was Henderson. If Bisping had any kind of wrestling i would think he would have some advanatage, but i honestly think this is a fight that may never go to the ground (exception being knock out/down from a strike). The fight that i wanted to go back and look at was Bisping-Leben. i believe Bisping controlled the majoirty of that fight, and this one could be similar.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I favor Wanderlei in this fight because I see Wand going back to his style in PRIDE of wildly rushing at people throwing hooks and Bisping showed big technical flaws in his ability to circle away or simply walk backwards in the Henderson fight.
I really like Jardine too. Maybe I'm just late to the party, but I don't see what the big deal about Bader is. His competition has been pretty poor (only opponent I've heard of is Schafer, who took Bader to a decision). I also seem to remember Bader tiring bigtime in that Schafer match.Soszynski seems like a great play too. I expect him to overwhelm Bonner pretty easily.
Finally, I'm probably letting my heart influence it, but I love Silva over Bisping. Unless Bisping has found some power, he won't bother Silva at all. Over a 15-minute fight, Silva should connect with either haymakers or knees and put Bisping out. This fight seems made simply to get Wandy back on track.
No idea on the main event as it's easy to see either fighter being able to implement his strategy and get the win.
Lytle / Foster is very interesting. Foster has never gone the distance, and Lytle has never been KOed nor submitted. Hopefully these two will stand and bang.
Really? Except for Leben (who looked like crap that night), I'm not coming up with any big strikers.
Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
theglorydays
Footballguy
I think the Junior Dos Santos hype train is about to turn into a 
Gonzaga (at least on paper) should win this fight. If i were a betting man i'd definitely place a little money on Gonzaga @ +260.
Gonzaga (at least on paper) should win this fight. If i were a betting man i'd definitely place a little money on Gonzaga @ +260.
zander_s
Footballguy
Excellent news!!Clayton Gray said:Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
modogg
Footballguy
Should be a good event to make, but that is great news. I don't see how VS. couldn't make the deal, their numbers for the past few WEC's weren't that good, and i predict this one shoud get good numbers. Not sure what my picks are for this one, but i have some good one's for the 3/27 event (i love Carwin over Mir)Clayton Gray said:Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
zander_s
Footballguy
Should be a good event to make, but that is great news. I don't see how VS. couldn't make the deal, their numbers for the past few WEC's weren't that good, and i predict this one shoud get good numbers. Not sure what my picks are for this one, but i have some good one's for the 3/27 event (i love Carwin over Mir)Clayton Gray said:Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
Carwin!
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"Hit him hard in the face!"Has anyone watched the GSP/Hardy Primetime show? At the end, they show Hardy showing up at Matt Serra's gym as if he was going to give Hardy some secret on beating GSP.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Excellent news!!Clayton Gray said:Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
effing sweet.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
How do you figure? Caveat: I don't necc disagree. I just don't know how to call this one. Given that, GG at +260 does sound tempting.I think the Junior Dos Santos hype train is about to turn into a
sheerterror
Footballguy
That's awesome man, should be an incredible event.Clayton Gray said:Versus back on DirecTV in time for UFC on Versus 1.
However, I'll miss the broadcast because I'll actually be at the event.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Should be a great fight. Dos Santos has SICK standup, but Gonzaga is a whiz on the ground and just a very tough overall fighter. If this stays standing, I like Dos Santos to win with a vicious KO, but if Gonzaga can hurt JDS or score a takedown, it'll be interesting to see JDS' ability to get back to his feet or at least fend of Gabe's subs/GNP. I've bet on Dos Santos in every one of his UFC fights but that stops with this fight. The last time he was a truly +EV bet was the Cro Cop fight. -300ish was very overinflated against Yvel, and -280 against an experienced, well rounded tough fighter like Gonzaga is beyond ridiculous. Gotta give the credit to the oddsmakers - they know how to make you pay for following along a hype train...as the public catches on it gets worse. Same thing has happened with Gegard Mousasi, Cain Velasquez and Jon Jones to name a few.Silva and White did a great job on this one. A win for Gonzaga can put him into the mix for a title shot and a win for Dos Santos will surely get his name to the top of the list after his popularity explosion from the Cro Cop fight. I think that by the time Lesnar is ready to fight the winner of Mir-Carwin, too much time will have passed for Velasquez to not fight - and you could logically see the winner of Dos Santos-Gonzaga take on Cain for the number one contender slot.I think the Junior Dos Santos hype train is about to turn into a
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Should be a great fight. Dos Santos has SICK standup, but Gonzaga is a whiz on the ground and just a very tough overall fighter. If this stays standing, I like Dos Santos to win with a vicious KO, but if Gonzaga can hurt JDS or score a takedown, it'll be interesting to see JDS' ability to get back to his feet or at least fend of Gabe's subs/GNP. I've bet on Dos Santos in every one of his UFC fights but that stops with this fight. The last time he was a truly +EV bet was the Cro Cop fight. -300ish was very overinflated against Yvel, and -280 against an experienced, well rounded tough fighter like Gonzaga is beyond ridiculous. Gotta give the credit to the oddsmakers - they know how to make you pay for following along a hype train...as the public catches on it gets worse. Same thing has happened with Gegard Mousasi, Cain Velasquez and Jon Jones to name a few.Silva and White did a great job on this one. A win for Gonzaga can put him into the mix for a title shot and a win for Dos Santos will surely get his name to the top of the list after his popularity explosion from the Cro Cop fight. I think that by the time Lesnar is ready to fight the winner of Mir-Carwin, too much time will have passed for Velasquez to not fight - and you could logically see the winner of Dos Santos-Gonzaga take on Cain for the number one contender slot.I think the Junior Dos Santos hype train is about to turn into aGonzaga (at least on paper) should win this fight. If i were a betting man i'd definitely place a little money on Gonzaga @ +260.
JDS has been protected from facing any decent wrestler as his ground game looked terrible before he trained at Black House. However, I am not sure Gonzaga is the guy to take advantage of this. Gonzaga's BJJ is among the best at HW, but getting JDS to the ground is going to be a struggle.
Sebowski
Footballguy
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I just bet on Vera at +200, Gonzaga at +210, and on Buentello at +300
and $10 on a parlay of the three to win $362
All three of these veterans are being underestimated. Vera's losses were all close. This is Jones' biggest test by far. Vera has a very good chance to win this. If it was even money I'd probably take Jones, but I can't pass up those odds.
If Gonzaga gets to the 30 second mark he will get the fight to the ground. From there he should be the favorite. Standing he still has decent hands and a hell of a head kick. Should be anorthe even money line.
Buentello is a great boxer. Mir may have exposed Kongo's standing weakness. I think Buentello has a decent shot at an upset here. I wouldn't have bet on him with less odds, but I think this is a good play.
I've stayed away from betting the last couple cards so I am excited to have something on the line Sunday. Its a good card that just got more exciting for me.
I just bet on Vera at +200, Gonzaga at +210, and on Buentello at +300
and $10 on a parlay of the three to win $362
All three of these veterans are being underestimated. Vera's losses were all close. This is Jones' biggest test by far. Vera has a very good chance to win this. If it was even money I'd probably take Jones, but I can't pass up those odds.
If Gonzaga gets to the 30 second mark he will get the fight to the ground. From there he should be the favorite. Standing he still has decent hands and a hell of a head kick. Should be anorthe even money line.
Buentello is a great boxer. Mir may have exposed Kongo's standing weakness. I think Buentello has a decent shot at an upset here. I wouldn't have bet on him with less odds, but I think this is a good play.
I've stayed away from betting the last couple cards so I am excited to have something on the line Sunday. Its a good card that just got more exciting for me.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
"Hamma fist! Hamma fist! Breathe, you have been here before. Hamma fist, hamma fist.""Hit him hard in the face!"Has anyone watched the GSP/Hardy Primetime show? At the end, they show Hardy showing up at Matt Serra's gym as if he was going to give Hardy some secret on beating GSP.
jestertj
Footballguy
You forgot the elbow!"Hamma fist elbow, Shonie!" Hamma fist elbow! Goood."So pumped that Versus is back on DTV in time for this."Hamma fist! Hamma fist! Breathe, you have been here before. Hamma fist, hamma fist.""Hit him hard in the face!"Has anyone watched the GSP/Hardy Primetime show? At the end, they show Hardy showing up at Matt Serra's gym as if he was going to give Hardy some secret on beating GSP.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Apropos of nothing, I enjoyed this thread quite a bit.
http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23528
http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23528
theglorydays
Footballguy
I think its a really tough match up for Mir. I remember seeing an interview with Carwin a while back and they were saying that his skull is bigger then the normal humans (like Fujita's and we all knew the iron chin that he had) After watching him eat that huge shot from Gonzaga, recover instantly, and then ko'ing him i definitely believe it.Carwin has the edge in the wrestling department, but Mir can definetly sub him if it goes to the ground. I think this fight stays standing and someone gets Ko'd. I'd say Mir is the better overall striker, but Carwin seems like he has an iron chin and can easily end the fight in one shot so this fight is too close to call.
BillyBarooo
Footballguy
my amateur opinion is that Mir has looked great recently. in shape, better stand up and striking, and his always dangerous subm game. not betting on this one, but if i had to, i would say Mir
theglorydays
Footballguy
Well Gonzaga has some of the best ground credentials in MMA. Couple that with the fact that he is a huge guy with great power and you got yourself a really dangerous fighter. He has questionable heart and trains out of a ####ty camp so i doubt he ever reaches his full potential. But people were hailing this guy as the eventual successor to Fedor years ago.I also personally haven't been too impressed with JDS. I was a huge CC fan and watching him beat an old washed up CC wasn't impressive. I know he got credit for the finish, but it took him basically the full 3 rounds. He is untested on the ground, but he trains with some of the best guys in the world (Nog bros, A. Silva).How do you figure? Caveat: I don't necc disagree. I just don't know how to call this one. Given that, GG at +260 does sound tempting.I think the Junior Dos Santos hype train is about to turn into a
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theglorydays
Footballguy
I guess it could happen, but since that fight Mir has put on 20 pounds of muscle and has gotten a lot stronger. Carwin also isn't nearly the caliber wrestler that Lesnar is. Lesnar is a division I champ, Carwin is a division II champ.