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Abrantes said:
Fedor, like most other iconic figures, tends to polarize people. There's those who thought he was utterly invincible and the top heavyweight and pound-for-pound fighter in the world now and forever (not me), while others who think even a lower tier new-breed UFC fighter (like, say, Todd Duffee) would smoke him (again, not me). It's somewhere in between.
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;) :rolleyes: that is exactly it. My theory was the Fedor hate was a result of the extreme Fedor adoration.
 
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Arlovski and Sylvia are perfectly legit opponents (or were, at the time).
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:lmao: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Edit: I just looked and I'll halfway take it back on Arlovski. He hadn't shown his now-glass chin prior to the Fedor fight but I don't know if he went downhill before that Fedor fight or because of that fight. So yes, some hyperbole in calling them "clowns" but one could argue that none of these guy Fedor has fought were top 10 HWs at the time.

Also, let the record show I'm not a Fedor hater. dude had an unbelievable run, one that will be remembered as one of the GOATs. Just super frustrated (along with many others) that with so many potential good matchups available he seemed largely uninterested in testing himself. Because of that, I do take a fair amount of schadenfreude in the fact that he lost. But, none of that diminishes his place in MMA history.

 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Abrantes said:
Arlovski and Sylvia are perfectly legit opponents (or were, at the time).
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:lmao: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Also, let the record show I'm not a Fedor hater. dude had an unbelievable run, one that will be remembered as one of the GOATs. Just super frustrated (along with many others) that with so many potential good matchups available he seemed largely uninterested in testing himself. Because of that, I do take a fair amount of schadenfreude in the fact that he lost. But, none of that diminishes his place in MMA history.
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:lmao:completely agree with everything.
 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Abrantes said:
Arlovski and Sylvia are perfectly legit opponents (or were, at the time).
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:lmao: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Also, let the record show I'm not a Fedor hater. dude had an unbelievable run, one that will be remembered as one of the GOATs. Just super frustrated (along with many others) that with so many potential good matchups available he seemed largely uninterested in testing himself. Because of that, I do take a fair amount of schadenfreude in the fact that he lost. But, none of that diminishes his place in MMA history.
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Hey, I'm down with all of that. Even the schadenfreude part. The fact that the dude fought about once a year and some still thought he was doing more than GSP and Anderson for the claim of best fighter in the world today was baffling to me. But the schadenfreude only goes so far, and his management bears far more of it than he does.Dude. Mother####ing Fedor lost. Crazy day.

 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Abrantes said:
Arlovski and Sylvia are perfectly legit opponents (or were, at the time).
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:lmao: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Also, let the record show I'm not a Fedor hater. dude had an unbelievable run, one that will be remembered as one of the GOATs. Just super frustrated (along with many others) that with so many potential good matchups available he seemed largely uninterested in testing himself. Because of that, I do take a fair amount of schadenfreude in the fact that he lost. But, none of that diminishes his place in MMA history.
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Hey, I'm down with all of that. Even the schadenfreude part. The fact that the dude fought about once a year and some still thought he was doing more than GSP and Anderson for the claim of best fighter in the world today was baffling to me. But the schadenfreude only goes so far, and his management bears far more of it than he does.Dude. Mother####ing Fedor lost. Crazy day.
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:lmao: knew it had to happen sooner or later, but it's nuts to actually see it.
 
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sooo, the big question is what will Fedor do now? He has 1 fight left on his Strieforce contract, who will Strikeforce match him against, and what will he do after his next fight (which would presumably be soon, maybe the fall since i imagine he has no injuries from this fight)? I would thin the interest of the UFC to sign him is still as high as ever.

And nothing funnier than Sherdog radio right now. Guys sound like they are crying on the phone calling in talking about how sad they are.

 
Abrantes said:
his management bears far more of it than he does.
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I think I know most of the story with the req's for cross promotion, and his management's demands. But at the end of the day, at some point... I have to assume that if Fedor has stuck with them and their demands this long, they are accurately conveying his wants and needs as a fighter. I really believe that if Fedor wanted to fight the best, he would have gotten his management to see it his way, or he could have replaced them with someone who would.
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Dude. Mother####ing Fedor lost. Crazy day.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
I just watched the fight. There aren't enough of these smilies- :thumbup: :jawdrop: :lmao: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: -on all the Internet to properly convey this feeling.

 
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Love this. Fedor & his handlers think he's unstoppable. Dana offers him everything to join the UFC.Look forward to seeing Dana's comments on this. :thumbup: Hopefully he tells Fedor to #### off when he and his handlers come running to him."You want to earn your way into the UFC Fedor? You'll do it through the Ultimate Fighter!"
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Abrantes said:
Arlovski and Sylvia are perfectly legit opponents (or were, at the time).
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:shrug: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Edit: I just looked and I'll halfway take it back on Arlovski. He hadn't shown his now-glass chin prior to the Fedor fight but I don't know if he went downhill before that Fedor fight or because of that fight. So yes, some hyperbole in calling them "clowns" but one could argue that none of these guy Fedor has fought were top 10 HWs at the time.

Also, let the record show I'm not a Fedor hater. dude had an unbelievable run, one that will be remembered as one of the GOATs. Just super frustrated (along with many others) that with so many potential good matchups available he seemed largely uninterested in testing himself. Because of that, I do take a fair amount of schadenfreude in the fact that he lost. But, none of that diminishes his place in MMA history.
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Sylvia was coming off a UFC title fight where he easily won 2 of the 3 rounds of the fight. He's a joke now, but he was certainly top 5 at the time of the fight with Fedor.

 
I guess it's possible I'm underestimating/forgetting just how abysmal the HW division was 2-3 years ago. Sherdog had him as the #4 HW in June 2008. So even if I am being unfair to Sylvia and Arlovski with my comments, this point still remains:

Fedor fought 8 times in 06, 07, 08 and 09. He went 8-0. His opponents had a combined record over that same stretch of 34-29. And the only reason that is north of .500 is because of Brett Rogers 10-1 record. If all the guys Fedor fought over that window weren't clowns, the majority of them were.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
I guess it's possible I'm underestimating/forgetting just how abysmal the HW division was 2-3 years ago. Sherdog had him as the #4 HW in June 2008. So even if I am being unfair to Sylvia and Arlovski with my comments, this point still remains:

Fedor fought 8 times in 06, 07, 08 and 09. He went 8-0. His opponents had a combined record over that same stretch of 34-29. And the only reason that is north of .500 is because of Brett Rogers 10-1 record. If all the guys Fedor fought over that window weren't clowns, the majority of them were.
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I have to somewhate agree with you. Jordna Breen brought up some good points about it on the Sherdog show, how everyone remembers Fedor for fighting Cro Cop and Nog, but forgets the fighters in between like the Gary Goodridge's, etc. They brought up how it is a lot easier to have opne tough fight a year, as opposed to the UFC where you can't catch a break going from #1 contender to #1 contender. they also references a good article from fightmatrix.com. It only goes back to '07, but it talks about a sort of "opponent strength of schedule":

http://www.fightmatrix.com/2010/06/25/oppo...ngth-2007-2009/

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
I guess it's possible I'm underestimating/forgetting just how abysmal the HW division was 2-3 years ago. Sherdog had him as the #4 HW in June 2008. So even if I am being unfair to Sylvia and Arlovski with my comments, this point still remains:Fedor fought 8 times in 06, 07, 08 and 09. He went 8-0. His opponents had a combined record over that same stretch of 34-29. And the only reason that is north of .500 is because of Brett Rogers 10-1 record. If all the guys Fedor fought over that window weren't clowns, the majority of them were.
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I think those numbers are likely off, checking quickly Sylvia has 26 wins alone. Either way, your point that these guys are not great fighters, compared to other divisons, is true, but they are the best that was out there. The HW was very weak then, and still is pretty weak. Even the skills of top guys at HW in the UFC are light years behind that of any other division. And everyone's resume can be picked apart. Lesnar came in and won the title in 4 fights. Carwin's only wins of note are Gonzaga and Mir. Mir's best wins are staph infected Nog and Lesnar in his UFC debut. Couture's best wins are Sylvia, Rizzo, Tito at LHW, and going 1-2 vs Liddell, and beating a MW in Belfort.
 
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Voice Of Reason said:
I think those numbers are likely off, checking quickly Sylvia has 26 wins alone.
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I don't think so. I think you're misunderstanding what I was doing. I was only looking Fedor's opponents bewteen 06 and 09, and at their records between 2006 and 2009, the window which I feel Fedor was not challenging himself at all. Sylvia was 6-4 over that stretch.
 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
I guess it's possible I'm underestimating/forgetting just how abysmal the HW division was 2-3 years ago. Sherdog had him as the #4 HW in June 2008. So even if I am being unfair to Sylvia and Arlovski with my comments, this point still remains:

Fedor fought 8 times in 06, 07, 08 and 09. He went 8-0. His opponents had a combined record over that same stretch of 34-29. And the only reason that is north of .500 is because of Brett Rogers 10-1 record. If all the guys Fedor fought over that window weren't clowns, the majority of them were.
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I have to somewhate agree with you. Jordna Breen brought up some good points about it on the Sherdog show, how everyone remembers Fedor for fighting Cro Cop and Nog, but forgets the fighters in between like the Gary Goodridge's, etc. They brought up how it is a lot easier to have opne tough fight a year, as opposed to the UFC where you can't catch a break going from #1 contender to #1 contender. they also references a good article from fightmatrix.com. It only goes back to '07, but it talks about a sort of "opponent strength of schedule":

http://www.fightmatrix.com/2010/06/25/oppo...ngth-2007-2009/
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Fight matrix need to rethink how they do this system. How is Choi in the top 25, sure he fought Fedor and Cro Cop, but Cro Cop hasn't done anything since 2007 and he has Minowa and Caneco in there as well. And Anderson Silva is not in the top 25, hasn't all of his fights in since 07 been vs top 10 guys?

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Voice Of Reason said:
I think those numbers are likely off, checking quickly Sylvia has 26 wins alone.
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I don't think so. I think you're misunderstanding what I was doing. I was only looking Fedor's opponents bewteen 06 and 09, and at their records between 2006 and 2009, the window which I feel Fedor was not challenging himself at all. Sylvia was 6-4 over that stretch.
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I see, and yeah, the guys he fought then are terrible now. I could agree with the idea that perhaps his skills are overrated because of that, but I don't think that Fedor was not trying to challenge himself. There was just no one left for him aside for Couture until about late 2008.A big reason he didn't go to the UFC then was that Tom Attentio and the idiots at Affliction were willing to pay him and other HW triple or more than the UFC would.
 
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Coker saying that a rematch between Werdum and Fedor was a PPV possibility. Does Coker have any idea what he is doing? Other than the hardcore Fedor lovers, who would buy that?

 
Fedor finally fought somebody on a great level, and it just showed the mistakes that Fedor makes on the ground. Werdum is somebody that I actually know, and I did an interview in Dallas for ESPN Radio and I called it. I knew he was going to beat him. I just felt that once Fedor fought someone with great talent, he would finally get his loss. You can’t believe the hype, as they say.Has he ever been tested? Maybe once or twice? You can’t say you’re the best in the world if you haven’t competed against everybody in the world, and he hasn’t. And I think by him not coming to the UFC put a big (stain) on his record. You can have a company back you and say you’re the best guy in the world, but until you compete against the best guys in the world, you’re not that guy. There’s a lot more things going on behind the scenes, and it’s not just Fedor making those decisions. Fedor is fighting for his country. But it is what it is, and it just proves that he’s not invincible and that he’s not one of the top heavyweights in the world. I think he’s a decent fighter overall, but I was very proud of Werdum, though. That’s what comes with hard work.I didn’t think he’d submit him that quickly, but once Fedor gets on top of you, he gets kind of messy and (throws) looping punches, and a lot of triangles and arm locks come into position. Werdum’s a big guy and he’s got some great triangles. When I rolled with him, he got me in a triangle, too. He’s a big guy who moves well and his jiu-jitsu game just shows how good he really is. He’s a former Abu Dhabi submission champ.(Fedor’s wins over “Cro Cop” and Nogueira) were a long time ago. That was when he was in his prime, I guess you can say. He hasn’t fought anybody on the UFC’s level, and the best guys are in the UFC. Werdum was in the UFC. They let him go, and he signed with Strikeforce and I think it’s kind of bad, you know, because Werdum is still a young guy who’s coming up and still getting better and better by the month.
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If Fedor signed with the UFC next month and agreed to sign Lesnar, Velesquez, and Mir, what do you guys think the betting lines would be?

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Coker saying that a rematch between Werdum and Fedor was a PPV possibility. Does Coker have any idea what he is doing? Other than the hardcore Fedor lovers, who would buy that?
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Not me. It reeks of a fix and a subsequent, pathetic cash grab.

 
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slayer666 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Coker saying that a rematch between Werdum and Fedor was a PPV possibility. Does Coker have any idea what he is doing? Other than the hardcore Fedor lovers, who would buy that?
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Not me. It reeks of a fix and a subsequent, pathetic cash grab.
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Yup, if Strikeforce does this they should be viewed as an absolute B level organization. You can't say Figher A and Fighter B are fighting to determine who will fight for the belt in the fall, and then when the guy you wanted to win loses change the rules. If the UFC were to do this they would be absolutely destroyed by the MMA media, and possibly rightfully so. Guys like Paulo Thiago would not warrant as much attn. to PPV buys as half the guys in the WW division would, but the UFC did a good job to keep pushing Thiago when he won.
 
Cliff Clavin said:
Voice Of Reason said:
If Fedor signed with the UFC next month and agreed to sign Lesnar, Velesquez, and Mir, what do you guys think the betting lines would be?
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Lesnar -150Cain -110Mir +170
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hmm, i disagree. Fedor is the favorite in all. Will be a good question after Saturday, because if Lesnar destroys Carwin the line could come out -115 for both Fedor and Lesnar. If not, i think Fedor is the favorite for all of the fights, and if not it would soon be that way because money would come flying in on Fedor at any + odds.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Pick said:
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What's the line on Lesnar/Carwin?
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-145/+115 at Bodog
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That means Lesnar is a slight fav?
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yup
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the line opened up differently at a lot of books as well. I believe Lensar opened around a -200 favorite, and Carwin could be had for +175 or +160 when the line first came out (basically, any - number you have to bet that amount to win $100, $200 to win $100 for -200). it seems money has come in on Carwin pretty solidly and the line has continued to move against Lesnar. Hard to see where the line will be come fight time
 
Cliff Clavin said:
Fedor finally fought somebody on a great level, and it just showed the mistakes that Fedor makes on the ground. Werdum is somebody that I actually know, and I did an interview in Dallas for ESPN Radio and I called it. I knew he was going to beat him. I just felt that once Fedor fought someone with great talent, he would finally get his loss. You can’t believe the hype, as they say.Has he ever been tested? Maybe once or twice? You can’t say you’re the best in the world if you haven’t competed against everybody in the world, and he hasn’t. And I think by him not coming to the UFC put a big (stain) on his record. You can have a company back you and say you’re the best guy in the world, but until you compete against the best guys in the world, you’re not that guy. There’s a lot more things going on behind the scenes, and it’s not just Fedor making those decisions. Fedor is fighting for his country. But it is what it is, and it just proves that he’s not invincible and that he’s not one of the top heavyweights in the world. I think he’s a decent fighter overall, but I was very proud of Werdum, though. That’s what comes with hard work.I didn’t think he’d submit him that quickly, but once Fedor gets on top of you, he gets kind of messy and (throws) looping punches, and a lot of triangles and arm locks come into position. Werdum’s a big guy and he’s got some great triangles. When I rolled with him, he got me in a triangle, too. He’s a big guy who moves well and his jiu-jitsu game just shows how good he really is. He’s a former Abu Dhabi submission champ.(Fedor’s wins over “Cro Cop” and Nogueira) were a long time ago. That was when he was in his prime, I guess you can say. He hasn’t fought anybody on the UFC’s level, and the best guys are in the UFC. Werdum was in the UFC. They let him go, and he signed with Strikeforce and I think it’s kind of bad, you know, because Werdum is still a young guy who’s coming up and still getting better and better by the month.
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I was never one in the camp of "Fedor is the greatest P4P fighter of all time" but this Johnny-come-lately bullsh** about Fedor AFTER his Werdum fight is getting old. Is there any documentation whatsoever of Ortiz having these feelings prior to this fight? Because it's sure as #### easy to say this stuff after you see what happened. If Ortiz was as confident as he's trying to make himself seem, he should have bet the ever-loving crap out of Fabricio Werdum. From a gambling standpoint, yes, Fedor just like most big name fighters is/was overrated, but let's not downplay this guy's skills please. I've seen both sides of the argument of how he's either the best HW in the world or he wouldn't even be top 5 in the UFC - a logical argument could be made for both sides here and I don't wish to get into that. I just can't stand how people are trying to discredit the guy for his loss to Werdum because of nothing more than a mental error. Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub. The outcome itself wasn't particularly shocking given Werdum's well known grappling abilities - the truly shocking part was that Fedor would allow himself to make the same mental error twice in a matter of seconds. Rather than standing back up with Werdum and working what was a tremendous stand up advantage, he dove right back into his guard with those looping ground-n-pound punches and got his arm caught a second time and was unable to escape...that's the shocking part to me. But please, let's not pretend that this was some sort of dominating performance by Fabricio Werdum that should in any way discredit Fedor's fantastic abilities. Fedor simply made a mistake, something which you don't see particularly often, and when you do so against as skilled a grappler as Werdum, you're probably going to pay for it. This is the perfect example of how in a sport like MMA, at the level as high as Strikeforce and UFC, anybody can win at any time. No fighter can get over confident because he can get knocked out (Todd Duffee) or caught in a sub (Fedor) in the blink of an eye no matter how glaring of an advantage it seems he has.Again, I'm by no means a Fedor apologist/nuthugger, but I truly believe he wins this fight with Werdum 7-8 times out of 10. I look forward to a rematch that sees Fedor in the -300 range so I can bet the hell out of that line because I'm quite sure a master sportsman like Fedor Emelianenko will not make the same mistake twice and get himself caught.Disclaimer: I do believe that if Fedor were to come to the UFC, he'd be an fairly substantial underdog to Carwin and Lesnar based on respective skill sets and size advantage, and a smaller dog to guys like Velasquez and Dos Santos simply because of the experience factor.
 
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Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub.
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That's quite the overstatement. The only striking exchange in the fight lasted about 2 seconds, where Fedor landed a total of one - maybe two - clean shot. That's enough to declare absolute annihilation?I agree that people are going a little too far in dismissing Fedor, but avoiding the kind of mental mistake he made is what sets the truly great fighters apart, and it's something he had done successfully throughout his career. It's just a matter of people seeing that he's not a robot, and fight fans are notoriously eager to extrapolate a single fight's result as the story of a fighter's career (hard not to be, in a sport where four or more months of work can go down the drain in a split second).While you urge people not to downplay Fedor's accomplishments, you downplay what Werdum just did. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation and skill to execute like he did, and it was no fluke, regardless of the outcome of a future rematch. It was one fighter capitalizing on another's mistake - something Fedor has also mastered over his career.
 
Fedor was and still is my favorite fighter. I'm not one of his rabid nuthugging fans who thought he was invincible, though; I've been a fan of his for a long time simply because I love his style and his demeanor.

I think he's had a fair number of fights against good opponents, and I think the fact that he didn't go to the UFC has more to do with his overzealous management, and Dana White's resistance to let him keep competing in sambo, rather than him ducking anybody. personally, I think he believes he can fight anyone, but follows the lead of his management, and generally disdains the circus that is the UFC and Dana White.

I think this will ultimately be good for him. the pressure of being "undefeated" (in a lot of people's eyes) is gone now, and he can just fight without worrying about the streak...even though I don't think he ever really cared, personally. the only thing that is a bummer is that he will be 34 in september, so I think he's only got about 6-8 good fights left in him. maybe he will choose to go out with a bang before he retires, and fight the best competition available.

one last thing... it's interesting to hear people bash on him and say such insulting, degrading things about a man who has generally been one of the most cordial and classy guys in the sport. wonder where that comes from...

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Fedor finally fought somebody on a great level, and it just showed the mistakes that Fedor makes on the ground. Werdum is somebody that I actually know, and I did an interview in Dallas for ESPN Radio and I called it. I knew he was going to beat him. I just felt that once Fedor fought someone with great talent, he would finally get his loss. You can’t believe the hype, as they say.Has he ever been tested? Maybe once or twice? You can’t say you’re the best in the world if you haven’t competed against everybody in the world, and he hasn’t. And I think by him not coming to the UFC put a big (stain) on his record. You can have a company back you and say you’re the best guy in the world, but until you compete against the best guys in the world, you’re not that guy. There’s a lot more things going on behind the scenes, and it’s not just Fedor making those decisions. Fedor is fighting for his country. But it is what it is, and it just proves that he’s not invincible and that he’s not one of the top heavyweights in the world. I think he’s a decent fighter overall, but I was very proud of Werdum, though. That’s what comes with hard work.I didn’t think he’d submit him that quickly, but once Fedor gets on top of you, he gets kind of messy and (throws) looping punches, and a lot of triangles and arm locks come into position. Werdum’s a big guy and he’s got some great triangles. When I rolled with him, he got me in a triangle, too. He’s a big guy who moves well and his jiu-jitsu game just shows how good he really is. He’s a former Abu Dhabi submission champ.(Fedor’s wins over “Cro Cop” and Nogueira) were a long time ago. That was when he was in his prime, I guess you can say. He hasn’t fought anybody on the UFC’s level, and the best guys are in the UFC. Werdum was in the UFC. They let him go, and he signed with Strikeforce and I think it’s kind of bad, you know, because Werdum is still a young guy who’s coming up and still getting better and better by the month.
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Well that settles it. Thanks Tito
 
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sheerterror said:
Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub.
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That's quite the overstatement. The only striking exchange in the fight lasted about 2 seconds, where Fedor landed a total of one - maybe two - clean shot. That's enough to declare absolute annihilation?I agree that people are going a little too far in dismissing Fedor, but avoiding the kind of mental mistake he made is what sets the truly great fighters apart, and it's something he had done successfully throughout his career. It's just a matter of people seeing that he's not a robot, and fight fans are notoriously eager to extrapolate a single fight's result as the story of a fighter's career (hard not to be, in a sport where four or more months of work can go down the drain in a split second).While you urge people not to downplay Fedor's accomplishments, you downplay what Werdum just did. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation and skill to execute like he did, and it was no fluke, regardless of the outcome of a future rematch. It was one fighter capitalizing on another's mistake - something Fedor has also mastered over his career.
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Abrantes said:
sheerterror said:
Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub.
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That's quite the overstatement. The only striking exchange in the fight lasted about 2 seconds, where Fedor landed a total of one - maybe two - clean shot. That's enough to declare absolute annihilation?I agree that people are going a little too far in dismissing Fedor, but avoiding the kind of mental mistake he made is what sets the truly great fighters apart, and it's something he had done successfully throughout his career. It's just a matter of people seeing that he's not a robot, and fight fans are notoriously eager to extrapolate a single fight's result as the story of a fighter's career (hard not to be, in a sport where four or more months of work can go down the drain in a split second).While you urge people not to downplay Fedor's accomplishments, you downplay what Werdum just did. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation and skill to execute like he did, and it was no fluke, regardless of the outcome of a future rematch. It was one fighter capitalizing on another's mistake - something Fedor has also mastered over his career.
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Yes, it was a fluke.Fedor wins that fight 9 out of 10 times. If he comes into the fight with a gameplan to keep the fight standing, we aren't even having this conversation.
 
theglorydays said:
Abrantes said:
sheerterror said:
Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub.
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That's quite the overstatement. The only striking exchange in the fight lasted about 2 seconds, where Fedor landed a total of one - maybe two - clean shot. That's enough to declare absolute annihilation?I agree that people are going a little too far in dismissing Fedor, but avoiding the kind of mental mistake he made is what sets the truly great fighters apart, and it's something he had done successfully throughout his career. It's just a matter of people seeing that he's not a robot, and fight fans are notoriously eager to extrapolate a single fight's result as the story of a fighter's career (hard not to be, in a sport where four or more months of work can go down the drain in a split second).While you urge people not to downplay Fedor's accomplishments, you downplay what Werdum just did. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation and skill to execute like he did, and it was no fluke, regardless of the outcome of a future rematch. It was one fighter capitalizing on another's mistake - something Fedor has also mastered over his career.
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Yes, it was a fluke.Fedor wins that fight 9 out of 10 times. If he comes into the fight with a gameplan to keep the fight standing, we aren't even having this conversation.
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So what? This type of argument is always old and played out. They were scheduled for a fight on Saturday night. Werdum won the fight. Nothing else matters.
 
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theglorydays said:
Abrantes said:
sheerterror said:
Fedor absolutely annhiliated Werdum in the standup, then got himself caught in the sub.
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That's quite the overstatement. The only striking exchange in the fight lasted about 2 seconds, where Fedor landed a total of one - maybe two - clean shot. That's enough to declare absolute annihilation?I agree that people are going a little too far in dismissing Fedor, but avoiding the kind of mental mistake he made is what sets the truly great fighters apart, and it's something he had done successfully throughout his career. It's just a matter of people seeing that he's not a robot, and fight fans are notoriously eager to extrapolate a single fight's result as the story of a fighter's career (hard not to be, in a sport where four or more months of work can go down the drain in a split second).While you urge people not to downplay Fedor's accomplishments, you downplay what Werdum just did. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation and skill to execute like he did, and it was no fluke, regardless of the outcome of a future rematch. It was one fighter capitalizing on another's mistake - something Fedor has also mastered over his career.
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Yes, it was a fluke.Fedor wins that fight 9 out of 10 times. If he comes into the fight with a gameplan to keep the fight standing, we aren't even having this conversation.
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So what? This type of argument is always old and played out. They were scheduled for a fight on Saturday night. Werdum won the fight. Nothing else matters.
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Well it's the truth. When the rematch happens, Fedor will win the fight easily. Werdum will not be able to take fedor down. Fedor will avoid the ground and brutalize him standing.
 
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