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[modogg]

so, completely different topic here but i am watching TUF and it made me thinking of scoring changes that have been proposed. one that seems to be the more popular is using .5 points. I have heard arguments against it, but watching this fight on TUF, i think one of the best things .5 point scoring would do is get rid of this f'n lay and pray. Dude laid on the other guy for most of the round, through wild punches from time to time, and spent the last 30 seconds of the 1st round running from the guy. Seems like a wonderful place to have .5 point scoring where that guy would win that round 10-9.5. no way a round like that should equate to many of the 10-9 rounds out there that exist

can you explain this proposed rule change in scoring more? Can you still have 10-9 rounds along with 10-9.5 rounds?

I would appreciate any rule that hurts the lay and pray guys (they are awful to watch).

Could the .5 lead to more fights that are draws? (say two 10-9.5 rounds for one guy and then one 10-9 for the other?)

i think they are doing it now on the amateur level in a few states. and yes, the point is they just add .5 increments. so theoretically we would see more 9.5, 9, 8.5, 8 rounds. as it is now, i don't think we will ever see a 10-7 round (or at least scored 10-7), so the rule change was brought up to provide more options than 9 and 8. That is a good point about the draws, but theoretically we would see the same result now if a guy had 2 10-9 rounds and the other had a 10-8. gotta do good training for judges, and i haven't heard much about it since they started it a year or 2 ago.

10-8 are pretty rare though I think. I wonder if the 9.5's would be more common which could then lead to more draws?

If they are already doing it at the amateur levels in a few areas, then they could see the stats on that accord I guess.

Who makes this decision? Can the UFC by themselves make the decision to make the change or does some governing body that oversees MMA have to make the change?

I think the UFC can influence and let people know their opinion, but only athletic commissions i think can make the change. and the problem is each state, if they have one, has it's own athletic commission. each state has their own interpretation of the rules.

and yeah i think that was the point of letting it go for a yaer or 2 in the amateurs to see how it worked. haven't heard much about it though, so maybe it isn't having an impact. I wouldn't be surprised if judges still kept doing 10-9s and didn't use the .5 increments much.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I like McGregor's style, but I am not sure he could beat Aldo regardless of injury.

wut?

McGregor hasn't beaten anyone even remotely on Aldo's level.

ok

 

[kutta]

I like McGregor's style, but I am not sure he could beat Aldo regardless of injury.

wut?

McGregor hasn't beaten anyone even remotely on Aldo's level.

ok

McGregor's UFC fights (all wins):

Dennis Siver

Dustin Poirier

Diego Brandao

Max Holloway

Marcus Brimage

Aldo's WEC/UFC fights (all wins):

Chad Mendez

Ricardo Lamas

Chan Sung Jung

Frankie Edgar

Chad Mendez

Kenny Florian

Mark Hominick

Manny Gamburyan

Uriah Faber

Mike Brown

Cub Swanson

Chris Mickle

Rolando Perez

Jonathon Brookins

Alexandre Franca Nogueria

After this fight, Aldo will have fought and beaten (assuming he wins) five of the top six in the division, including beating Mendez twice (Medez, Edgar, McGregor, Lamas, Holloway, Swanson). McGregor has only fought one of the top six (Holloway), and none in the top four.

I can understand the argument that McGregor has a unique skill set, he's on a roll, and he's extremly confident so it could be a tough fight for Aldo. But you can't deny that he has not faced anywhere near the competition that Aldo has, and the guys he as faced are not nearly on Aldo's level.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Looks like no UFC in NY this year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/york-mma-tapping-again-dana-white-disgusted-corruption-221356481--mma.html

 

[Cliff Clavin]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of ‘toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."

 

[modogg]

Hmm, sounds like Andrerson Silva's drug test might be something completely out of whack. Apparently they had another test a few minutes before that were all negative, and then the test 3 minutes later showed the steroids. Weird, but glad that the UFC took this out of the athletic commission's hands since they have made some goofs a few times, and this will be done by a legit company now:

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/6/26/8849747/photo-proof-anderson-silva-ufc-183-drug-test-postive-negative-nick-diaz

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of ‘toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."

I love this guy....and it helps hes Irish...what a character

 

[hooter311]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of ‘toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."a

Aldo losses out on a 3.5 million bonus if he doesn't fight. He is going to feed himself to the wolves and hope for the best in the rematch it appears. Reports are that Mendes has already been cut a check which leads me to believe there is still only about a 30% chance this fight happens. I am stuck big time on the wrong side on Aldo between -115 and -130. Hopefully I can buy myself out as best as I can. Worst case scenario for how I thought the lead up to this fight would play out. You can't fight with a jacked rib, its as simple as that.

 

[hooter311]

New ruling means no more IVs to recover from weight cuts. We will see a bunch of weight class changes, particularly with the bigger camps that have it down to an exact science. We may see a cruiserweight division now at the UFC level, 225 lbs. Talent will be lacking but fights would be fun.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."a

Aldo losses out on a 3.5 million bonus if he doesn't fight. He is going to feed himself to the wolves and hope for the best in the rematch it appears. Reports are that Mendes has already been cut a check which leads me to believe there is still only about a 30% chance this fight happens. I am stuck big time on the wrong side on Aldo between -115 and -130. Hopefully I can buy myself out as best as I can. Worst case scenario for how I thought the lead up to this fight would play out. You can't fight with a jacked rib, its as simple as that.

Saw Aldo at +118 and McGregor at +110 on Bloody Elbows best fight odds. Not sure what books had those.

 

[hooter311]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."a

Aldo losses out on a 3.5 million bonus if he doesn't fight. He is going to feed himself to the wolves and hope for the best in the rematch it appears. Reports are that Mendes has already been cut a check which leads me to believe there is still only about a 30% chance this fight happens. I am stuck big time on the wrong side on Aldo between -115 and -130. Hopefully I can buy myself out as best as I can. Worst case scenario for how I thought the lead up to this fight would play out. You can't fight with a jacked rib, its as simple as that.

Saw Aldo at +118 and McGregor at +110 on Bloody Elbows best fight odds. Not sure what books had those.

I'm in the process of funding my bookmaker account solely to grab Mcgregor at +106. Aldo flipped from -130 to +115 on 5d overnight. I've got like 15 units on Aldo right now. I rarely make any plays more than 3.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

New ruling means no more IVs to recover from weight cuts. We will see a bunch of weight class changes, particularly with the bigger camps that have it down to an exact science. We may see a cruiserweight division now at the UFC level, 225 lbs. Talent will be lacking but fights would be fun.

wouldn't moving weigh-ins to fight day be a lot easier to enforce than saying "no IVs to rehydrate" ? How will this even be enforced? i don't think the SAC takes post in each fighters bedroom.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Hmm, sounds like Andrerson Silva's drug test might be something completely out of whack. Apparently they had another test a few minutes before that were all negative, and then the test 3 minutes later showed the steroids. Weird, but glad that the UFC took this out of the athletic commission's hands since they have made some goofs a few times, and this will be done by a legit company now:

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/6/26/8849747/photo-proof-anderson-silva-ufc-183-drug-test-postive-negative-nick-diaz

I'd be a lot more willing to give AS the benefit of the doubt on this if he hadn't pissed hot just 3 weeks prior.

 

[Sebowski]

"It turns out it's just a bruised rib," McGregor said. "Little bit of ice, little bit of ibuprofen, little bit of ‘toughen the f-ck up,' and we should get on with the fight."a

Aldo losses out on a 3.5 million bonus if he doesn't fight. He is going to feed himself to the wolves and hope for the best in the rematch it appears. Reports are that Mendes has already been cut a check which leads me to believe there is still only about a 30% chance this fight happens. I am stuck big time on the wrong side on Aldo between -115 and -130. Hopefully I can buy myself out as best as I can. Worst case scenario for how I thought the lead up to this fight would play out. You can't fight with a jacked rib, its as simple as that.

I'm hoping this makes Aldo focus more on staying outside and brutalizing McGregor's legs with leg kicks. I am worried about his weight cut and cardio though.

 

[kutta]

New ruling means no more IVs to recover from weight cuts. We will see a bunch of weight class changes, particularly with the bigger camps that have it down to an exact science. We may see a cruiserweight division now at the UFC level, 225 lbs. Talent will be lacking but fights would be fun.

wouldn't moving weigh-ins to fight day be a lot easier to enforce than saying "no IVs to rehydrate" ? How will this even be enforced? i don't think the SAC takes post in each fighters bedroom.

I'd like to see them weigh in as they step into the cage. Get rid of all this weight cut bs.

 

[hooter311]

Koschek coming to Bellator, presumably to get that nap he's got coming from Daley.

 

[modogg]

Koschek coming to Bellator, presumably to get that nap he's got coming from Daley.

great call, forgot about Daley in Bellator. I have to think quite a few of the UFC fighters going to Bellator are less in it for a career resurgence and more for a paycheck. depending on the match-up Koscheck could take most of the WWs in Bellator (a la this horrendous Kongo fight)

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Speaking of Bellator -- Joe Schilling was on the wrong end of a potential KOotY tonight.

 

[JGalligan]

"First things first, you'se guys's beach water is CRAAAAAAAAAZY!"

- Lorenz Larkin, Post-Fight, UFC Fight Night Machida vs. Romero

 

[hooter311]

Speaking of Bellator -- Joe Schilling was on the wrong end of a potential KOotY tonight.

I had high expectations for this guy but his striking defense is just atrocious. Too used to eating punching with kickboxing gloves maybe?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Awesome. This could be it for Lyoto. He seems to be getting hit a lot more nowadays.

 

[JGalligan]

Whoa. Good Lord.

Machida's still on his back almost five minutes after the fight ended?

I love ya, kid, but it might be time to hang em up.

 

[hooter311]

Maybe we can just book Shogun/Machida every couple years for the next decade and a little bit of me doesn't have to die every three months.

 

[hooter311]

Whoa. Good Lord.

Machida's still on his back almost five minutes after the fight ended?

I love ya, kid, but it might be time to hang em up.

Way too much head trauma last 3 months. He needs at least a year off.

 

[JGalligan]

Maybe we can just book Shogun/Machida every couple years for the next decade and a little bit of me doesn't have to die every three months.

 

[modogg]

FBG needs to add a new emoticon for tipping a 40 out. Last night was the last time we will see Dynamic Fastener on a fighter's shorts in the UFC :(

Also i'm watching again here. Romero was breathing heavy already in 1st round. Guys cardio is so weird

 

[NewlyRetired]

Also i'm watching again here. Romero was breathing heavy already in 1st round. Guys cardio is so weird

He is a strange dude. Thank god no one understood what he was saying after the fight and then he scrambled to take it back once the decoder key was found for his speech.

As for his cardio, he always looks gassed but his record of finishing opponents in the 3rd round is extraordinary. 4 of his last 5 wins are 3 round stoppages.

I continue to be impressed with him at his fairly advanced age in MMA.

 

[modogg]

Woah, just saw the post fight speech (guess i dozed off last night). I think Romero would have no problem going door to door in America here and dragging us all to church. funny stuff yelling at the Americans

 

[modogg]

Also i'm watching again here. Romero was breathing heavy already in 1st round. Guys cardio is so weird

He is a strange dude. Thank god no one understood what he was saying after the fight and then he scrambled to take it back once the decoder key was found for his speech.

As for his cardio, he always looks gassed but his record of finishing opponents in the 3rd round is extraordinary. 4 of his last 5 wins are 3 round stoppages.

I continue to be impressed with him at his fairly advanced age in MMA.

hah, just read about it on mmajunkie:

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. – To many on social media, it sounded like UFC middleweight Yoel Romero was using his platform to spread an intolerant message following tonight’s headliner at UFC on Fight Night 70.

But Romero (10-1 MMA, 6-0 UFC) denied making an anti-gay statement after his win over ex-champ Lyoto Machida (22-7 MMA, 14-7 UFC) and said, “My expressions are always going to be about love.”


It seemed the opposite was true if Romero, a native Spanish speaker, said what was heard by many in his post-fight interview. Some heard the 38-year-old as saying, “Go for Jesus, not for gay Jesus.”

Given Romero’s opening comments, in which he stated, “What happened to you, USA? What happened to you? What’s going on,” many online inferred that he was taking a swipe at the recent legalization of gay marriage in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Romero, however, cited his faith as the reason he would never make such an attack. At the post-event press conference at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Fla., opening a statement with an apology for “a misunderstanding.”

“What I was trying to say in the octagon was look for the American dream,” he said via translator. “There was a misunderstanding about gay marriage, and I want to say something.

“God told Maria Magdalena, ‘You’re a prostitute. Go and don’t sell anymore,’ and he told her with love. Who am I to judge anybody? Even though I didn’t refer to that, even though there was a misunderstanding, I will tell you something. God made man to be free. Anybody can do whatever they want. I wouldn’t be the type of person to critique anybody. I’ve got to live with myself first. Be a better person to be able to love people.

“I didn’t refer to anybody. What I was trying to say, (was the) United States, thank you for giving me the American dream. There’s no better country in the world, because it is blessed by god. It is in the dollars that this country was made by Christian people. That means it’s blessed by god.”

Asked by MMAjunkie if his statement came as the result of the immediate controversy generated online by his post-fight interview, Romero said, “Yeah, I was told there was a misunderstanding on social media, so I wanted to clarify.”

nice damage control by the Romero team, but he should try to not spread his word as much anymore.

 

[modogg]

they do have to find a way to keep Matt Serra around:

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/06/video-watch-dana-white-scare-the-crap-out-of-a-sleepy-matt-serra

that crazy Dana and his zany pranks

 

[modogg]

for anybody who missed the post fight speech, here it is in this article:

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/06/a-knockout-a-speech-a-controversy-romeros-big-win-marred-by-misunderstanding

ETA: didn't hear it the first time but now that i have watched it a few times, put me in the camp that he says "not for gay Jesus". that whole free speech is a funny thing

 

[hooter311]

Sherdog suggests:

Guida vs Hancran Dias

Carlos Jr vs Rafael Natal.

Yes please UFC, book those!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Didn't realize how frail Aldo is.

"UFC 125 - Aldo had just been named the first UFC featherweight champion after the organisation adopted the 145lb weight division but his first defence againstJosh Grispi quickly became a non-event when the Brazilian withdrew from the card, citing an injury.UFC 149 - Another undisclosed injury put the kibosh on Aldo's planned bout with Erik Koch in July 2012 which led to teammate Renan Barao's interim bantamweight fight with Urijah Faber being moved to the main event. .

UFC 153 - Erik Koch would have been cursing Aldo's training partners when the rescheduled title fight was also scrapped after the Nova Uniao fighter damaged his foot in training.

UFC 176 - This event was just the second time that the UFC had to cancel an entire pay-per-view when Jose Aldo fell out of his scheduled fight with Chad Mendes after a shoulder injury late on in training meant that he couldn't compete."

 

[modogg]

turned on BattleBots last night and it seems we got K-Flo as a color commentator for the show. I think i like that, but i am still not sure

 

[Cliff Clavin]

How does cage size influence fights

Good breakdown of what was discussed earlier.

 

[IC FBGCav]

turned on BattleBots last night and it seems we got K-Flo as a color commentator for the show. I think i like that, but i am still not sure

I think he did pretty good.

 

[3C's]

I just cancelled my season pass for axsTV fights. too much to keep up with.

Not me. I like RFA and Legacy as much as any of the others.

Was out of town this weekend so just watched AXS/Legacy from Friday. Other than the main event I think all the other fights totaled about 10 minutes, all first round stops. Dana White was there...think he has a woody for this Sage kid now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GXAY07jvKeY

 

[fantasycurse42]

McGregor was -150 versus Aldo (+130), but the odds were even money for him versus Mendes (actually -115 for each of them), who has lost to Aldo twice... Why? Are they putting that much stock into this injury? What was the opening line for Aldo/McGregor? IIRC it opened with McGregor as the favorite too.

McGregor now +120... Thoughts?

 

[cockroach]

McGregor was -150 versus Aldo (+130), but the odds were even money for him versus Mendes (actually -115 for each of them), who has lost to Aldo twice... Why? Are they putting that much stock into this injury? What was the opening line for Aldo/McGregor? IIRC it opened with McGregor as the favorite too.

McGregor now +120... Thoughts?

It's not about reflecting the actual odds. The line is set to get equal action on both sides.

 

[modogg]

McGregor was -150 versus Aldo (+130), but the odds were even money for him versus Mendes (actually -115 for each of them), who has lost to Aldo twice... Why? Are they putting that much stock into this injury? What was the opening line for Aldo/McGregor? IIRC it opened with McGregor as the favorite too.

McGregor now +120... Thoughts?

well, i have various thoughts but it doesn't matter now. Aldo officially out

 

[fantasycurse42]

McGregor was -150 versus Aldo (+130), but the odds were even money for him versus Mendes (actually -115 for each of them), who has lost to Aldo twice... Why? Are they putting that much stock into this injury? What was the opening line for Aldo/McGregor? IIRC it opened with McGregor as the favorite too.

McGregor now +120... Thoughts?

well, i have various thoughts but it doesn't matter now. Aldo officially out

Thoughts on the current lines McGregor +120, Mendes -150...Already a lot of movement from earlier today.

 

[modogg]

McGregor was -150 versus Aldo (+130), but the odds were even money for him versus Mendes (actually -115 for each of them), who has lost to Aldo twice... Why? Are they putting that much stock into this injury? What was the opening line for Aldo/McGregor? IIRC it opened with McGregor as the favorite too.

McGregor now +120... Thoughts?

well, i have various thoughts but it doesn't matter now. Aldo officially out

Thoughts on the current lines McGregor +120, Mendes -150...Already a lot of movement from earlier today.

money will come in on Mendes i'm sure, and if the fight was normally scheduled i would take Mendes all day. however he is taking this fight on like 2 weeks notice. McGreggor has to have a nice reach advantage over Chad. Mendes will likely try to wrestle the whole time, which hopefully McGreggor has been training (though against Aldo wasn't a priority). I like Mendes, but i imagine the line will come back down a bit before the fight. I don't like Mendes too much either, so if for some reason the line keeps moving i may end up on McGreggor by fight time. But a lot of unknown variables here

 

[modogg]

man Dana does not always need to comment. way to throw Jose under the bus here when you are having trouble finding stars:

"Jose Aldo's pulled out of five title fights. Conor McGregor's ready to go, the no.1 guy in the world, Chad Mendes, is ready to go, so it makes sense. They'll fight for the interim title and whenever Jose Aldo is ready, then that fight can happen to unify it," White remarked, explaining the rationale for his decision.

"It's his decision," White said of Aldo. "I definitely don't feel great about it. We spent a lot of money promoting this fight. A lot of people are excited about the fight, so it's definitely disappointing."

 

[hooter311]

All I can think of is, thank goodness.....

I honestly don't know which way I'm going to lean now. Chad opened at -130 and to go to -150 seems like too much of a knee jerk reaction. Going into a 5 round fight on short notice is going to be very hard, also works the same way with Conor now preparing for a wrestler. I don't think dinking around with Weidman in NY today is the right way to go about it, but I have no idea how hard they trained.

https://twitter.com/ChrisWeidmanUFC

This picture also tells me that Conor is ginormous for a 145 lb fighter. I've met Chris in person at an event in Minneapolis before he was big time. I'm 6'2" 215 and felt much smaller than him. With the new weight cutting rules I don't see how Conor can continue at 145 without an IV to rehydrate. I guess they test for plastic particles in your piss to see if you have any type of fluid bag. The rule is motivated to prevent blood doping which is a good thing, but not being able to hydrate properly is going to cause a lot of guys problems. I cut 10 lbs in high school once and I remember it as one of the worst moments of my life. Most pros are cutting 20-25 lbs, 15 even at the lowest weight classes. Brock was cutting about 30. If you don't hydrate properly your brain just doesn't work properly, it will be crazy how many more ko's we will see for a while. Will definitely be playing some KO props on guys that have never ko'd anyone before.

 

[hooter311]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

 

[modogg]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

good thing about the rib is it doesn't need rehab like a knee and everything. For Aldo's sake, i hope McGreggor wins and it is very possible that the fight can do even more buys in the fall with a healthy Aldo. I know for me, if McGreggor shows legit takedown defense against Mendes, even with all the variables involved here, i will look at him differently.

I have to see some fights with Chad taking on some guys who use their length well. I believe Mcgreggor is southpaw and Mendes is Orthodox, and for some reason i think that combo always hurts the wrestler (i always forget which it is). to be honest, i am rooting for Mcgreggor in this one.

and if anybody got short-sticked here, put my hat in the pile for Frankie. I think he deserved more than Mendes, and now he has to wait until what the end of the year or later to possibly get a title shot? I really wonder what determined Chad over Frankie for this fight

 

[hooter311]

If the PPV would have generated 1 million views, which I'm guessing it would have done more like 1.3, Aldo just missed out on 5 million.

Probably equal to what he has made his whole career. I seem to feel like he was short-sticked more than most.

good thing about the rib is it doesn't need rehab like a knee and everything. For Aldo's sake, i hope McGreggor wins and it is very possible that the fight can do even more buys in the fall with a healthy Aldo. I know for me, if McGreggor shows legit takedown defense against Mendes, even with all the variables involved here, i will look at him differently.

I have to see some fights with Chad taking on some guys who use their length well. I believe Mcgreggor is southpaw and Mendes is Orthodox, and for some reason i think that combo always hurts the wrestler (i always forget which it is). to be honest, i am rooting for Mcgreggor in this one.

and if anybody got short-sticked here, put my hat in the pile for Frankie. I think he deserved more than Mendes, and now he has to wait until what the end of the year or later to possibly get a title shot? I really wonder what determined Chad over Frankie for this fight

Agree 100%. I think Chad will generate more buys, simple as that. Conor would #### up Frankie bad on short notice.

Aldo vs McGregor is the biggest fight the UFC can make right now, it would have been the biggest PPV in years. Wish both could be 100% healthy.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Doesn't Aldo pulling out hurt any future shots for the title? Did I hear right that he has pulled out of 4 fights in the past?

 

[hooter311]

The UFC owes Chad for matching him up with guys like Cody McKensi if anything else.

 

[hooter311]

Doesn't Aldo pulling out hurt any future shots for the title? Did I hear right that he has pulled out of 4 fights in the past?

A healthy Jose Aldo is the best fighter in the world, bar none.

He was cutting an unhealthy amount of weight for a while, he has gotten his frame down now, but he may end up at 155 and never come back. The same can be said about Conor, he must bleed helium to weigh 145.