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Ukraine Violence - Obama warns them (1 Viewer)

TheIronSheik

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Has the red line been drawn?

President Barack Obama condemned the violence in Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. holds the government “primarily responsible for ensuring they are handling protesters peacefully” and that “there will be consequences if people step over the line.”
And those consequences can be severe. Just ask Syria what happened when they stepped over the line.

 
So you think he even takes himself seriously? Is he delusional enough to think that any country views his words as anything but empty? Does he care?

 
After 5+ years of his presidency, I still can't figure out what he stands for in foreign policy aside from loving to soak up foreign popular adulation.

 
I'm glad we have a strong President whose words are harkened on by the rest of the world. Imagine if such words were spoken by a repuke like McCain or Romney. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

 
Ukrainians just rolled their collective eyes and said, "Great. Now we're dead for sure". A warning by Obama is a guarantee that oppressive regimes will have free reign to do whatever they want.

 
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(CNN) -- A short-lived truce crumbled Thursday as gunfire erupted at Independence Square, the center of anti-government protests and an increasingly violent crisis that threatens catastrophe for this divided nation.

As protesters fortified barricades and some tried to dodge apparent sniper bullets, Western leaders denounced the violence. Russia's United Nations ambassador accused the opposition of trying to stage a coup.

The head of the protesters' medical service said 100 people died and 500 were injured in clashes on Thursday, just hours after the government declared a truce in fighting that had shocked world leaders with the deaths of 28 people two days before.

The Ukrainian government has not released its own casualty figures, but Interior Minister Vitali Zakharchenko said 25 police officers had been wounded and an unspecified number of them had died. Some others had been taken hostage, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine-protests/

 
Waiting on Tim to come in and explain why this was a brilliant and historic move.

 
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Has the red line been drawn?

President Barack Obama condemned the violence in Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. holds the government “primarily responsible for ensuring they are handling protesters peacefully” and that “there will be consequences if people step over the line.”
And those consequences can be severe. Just ask Syria what happened when they stepped over the line.
Maybe Obama can send over the DHS to break up these protests like he did for Occupy Wall Street.

 
I don't understand why he has to say anything at all.
I think it's the President's job to comment on what is happening in the world. Obama's 'red line' doesn't automatically mean we will attack but it does mean we'll get involved. He didn't have support for an attack then and had to play of game of waiting around for popular support - which will come either from another chemical attack or Syria refusing to hand over their chemical weapons (they've only given us 4% so far). The same people calling Obama a weak leader are the same ones who would bash him if he took unilateral action without Congressional approval. These are complicated situations that many people don't seem capable of comprehending.

 
Time to invade. Enough talk. We need boots on the ground so we can foster democracy in Syria and Ukraine and then it will grow and blossom outward from there, as authoritarian governments and dictatorships fall like dominoes!

 
All he has to do is stand up up for the universal human right of free speech, say that, say the Ukrainian government is acting wrongly. That would be a lot.

This, is awesome:

"I do think it is worth noting that you have in this situation in one country that has been a client state of Russia and another whose government is currently being supported by Russia whose people obviously have a very different view and vision for their country," the president said of Ukraine and Syria. "And we have now seen a great deal of turmoil there that arose organically from within those countries."


Obama's comments came in response to a reporter's question of whether the violence in both countries has become a "tug of war" between the U.S. and Russia.

"I don't think this is a competition between the United States and Russia," Obama said. "I think this is an expression of the hopes and aspirations of the people inside of Syria and the people inside of the Ukraine who recognize the basic freedoms...Those are fundamental rights that everyone should be able to enjoy. Now, Mr. Putin has a different view on many of those issues, and I don't think there is any secret to that."


However, Obama said he did not view the conflicts "as some cold war chess board" and that the two countries continue to work together in areas where there can be agreement.

"There are times, I hope, that Russia will recognize that they should be on board with these values as well," he added. "Right now, there are times where will still have heavy disagreement and when I speak to Mr. Putin I am very candid on those disagreements."
Now some of this is ridiculous:

Earlier in the day, Obama condemned the violence in Ukraine, saying that the U.S. holds the government "primarily responsible for ensuring they are handling protesters peacefully" and that "there will be consequences if people step over the line."

"We expect the Ukrainian government to show restraint, to not resort to violence," Obama said. "We expect peaceful protesters to remain peaceful."

And before that, Secretary of State John Kerry said U.S. sanctions against Ukraine were possible. The White House first threatened to impose sanctions against the Eastern European nation nearly two months ago.
I support President Obama here when he speaks of free speech as a fundamental right.

What's horrible is when he makes big boy threats against a country like Russia (because that's who we're dealing with here) that he has no intention of carrying out.

What's more, I can't think of anything worse for democrats in Ukraine or for our position than sanctioning Ukraine and cutting back our economic and diplomatic involvement when that is exactly what Putin would love.

 
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Time to invade. Enough talk. We need boots on the ground so we can foster democracy in Syria and Ukraine and then it will grow and blossom outward from there, as authoritarian governments and dictatorships fall like dominoes!
Actually this already happened in western Europe and it took 60 years but it finally largely happened in central and eastern Europe. There is some mop-up duty in places like Byelorussia and Ukraine but invasion is not necessary, this is a fait accompli, they will have democracy.

 
Reading the full quote, I wouldn't exactly call that a threat.
Isn't one guy drawing a line and promising consequences should the other cross it like the oldest threat in the book? That threat is like thousands of years old. There's a guy in a pool bar in downtown Butte Montana right now threatening another dude with 'if you cross this line.... .' What kind of consequences? Michelle's going to make them all breakfast?

 
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I don't understand why he has to say anything at all.
I think it's the President's job to comment on what is happening in the world. Obama's 'red line' doesn't automatically mean we will attack but it does mean we'll get involved. He didn't have support for an attack then and had to play of game of waiting around for popular support - which will come either from another chemical attack or Syria refusing to hand over their chemical weapons (they've only given us 4% so far). The same people calling Obama a weak leader are the same ones who would bash him if he took unilateral action without Congressional approval. These are complicated situations that many people don't seem capable of comprehending.
To be fair, I don't think people are upset that he said something. It's that he decided to make a half assed threat. One that he's made in the past that was crossed with no consequences.

 
There aren't many things that make you sound more impotent than empty threats. Even dogs learn to tune you out if your words have no meaning.

 
I think Ukraine is one of the few instances that we should be getting involved in -- and be 'we' I mean the UN.

Russia instigated this entire thing and it has led to blood shed and oppression. If we can't help a country that wants to become the next big western country then what the #### are we doing helping countries that have absolutely no interest in conforming?

And if that wasn't incentive enough, how about a developing western ally within throwing distance of Russia AND the middle east.

 
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White House: No Decision yet on Ukraine SanctionsWASHINGTON February 20, 2014 (AP)

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The White House expressed renewed outrage Thursday over the continuing deadly violence in Ukraine but had reached no decision on whether to impose sanctions.

Military action by the U.S. is not among the options being considered, deputy spokesman Josh Earnest said.

"The options available to the president are being considered with some urgency," he told reporters, adding that sanctions were the only measure under active consideration.

In Brussels, the 28-nation European Union decided Thursday in an emergency meeting to impose sanctions against those behind the violence, including a travel ban and an asset freeze against some Ukrainian officials.

President Barack Obama discussed the situation by telephone with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the White House said.

The White House has urged President Viktor Yanukovych to withdraw forces from downtown Kiev immediately.

Earnest said the Ukrainian government has the primary responsibility for keeping the peace, but that the Ukrainian people must also respect their right to peaceful protest. He said "having those rights trampled" is a source of some concern to the U.S., and again called on the government and the opposition to negotiate a political solution to restore order.

"Basic human rights that we hold so dear in this country are not being respected in that country," Earnest said.

Ukrainian government snipers fired upon advancing protesters in the capital of Kiev on Thursday, killing at least 70 people and wounding hundreds of others.

At least 101 people have died this week in the clashes, according to protesters and Ukrainian authorities, a sharp and deadly turn in three months of mostly peaceful activity.
 
This is not going to end well for the people of Ukraine. Russia has been waiting for this day to take this area back. With Obama in office, Putin knows he has little resistance.

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DocHolliday said:
This is not going to end well for the people of Ukraine. Russia has been waiting for this day to take this area back. With Obama in office, Putin knows he has little resistance.
Resistance? All Putin has to do is pen an op-ed to the NYT telling Barry what to do. It's like a chess champion playing against a lab puppy.

 

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