UNC Football and bball LOL (1 Viewer)

[ConstruxBoy]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article9204758.html

LOL, says I’ve used all my free articles. Can someone else tell me what it says?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Maybe other schools should try it?

In all seriousness, that's a drive-by column by someone who wasn't that familiar with the details and left out a ton of important information to make a point.  It doesn't mention that half the students in those classes were non-athletes who could obtain the same easy grades with little work, making it an academic problem rather than an athletic problem at the core.  It is an athletic scandal to the extent the athletes were steered to the classes knowing they were fake, or if the athletes got special treatment, but the evidence of that sort of thing for men's basketball in particular is very flimsy (it's much stronger for women's basketball and IIRC some for football). And part of the reason it's so flimsy is that almost to a man the UNC men's basketball players say they actually did work in the classes, which is barely mentioned in the article. The one player who said different- who is a bit of a loose cannon, to put it mildly- said so to ESPN but refused to participate in any investigation despite being asked.  None of that is mentioned in the article either.

I'm off to look at some photos and watch some videos now and probably for the rest of the week.  It's gonna be fun

So I found this link and post by Tobias. The only thing about Men's basketball having work changed or done for them was McCants "media" statement, one which his teammates disputed and he refused to make under oath or to investigators.

Is there more?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Man, it's fun to start reading past posts in this thread. And as always, appreciate JWB's contributions.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

OK, found a link to the emails/evidence, but too many pages to go through.

Link

So if you say there is evidence of Men's Basketball players getting their grades changed or work done for them (and McCants media statements don't count), then I believe you.

But I personally find that much more "sinister" than easily graded courses, so I've very surprised that in all the articles about the announcement Friday that I've read, none of them mention that at all. Odd.

 

[Tau837]

Cheating is changing a professor's grade for an athlete from a C to a B. That didn't happen.

This is false, but I'm not going to take the time to find a link. Some grades were definitely changed. Perhaps not hundreds of grades, like there were hundreds of classes, but not zero either.

Furthermore, there is little need to change grades when a secretary who shows favoritism for athletes and is in a long-standing relationship with an ex-UNC basketball player is grading the papers in the first place. None of this is in dispute.

You can laugh all you want, but any attempt to defend or rationalize what was done here is beneath you.

 

[Tau837]

Louisville is preparing its appeal petition even as we speak: "Those prostitutes weren't just available to basketball recruits.  They would have gone down on anyone."

 

 

[pantherclub]

OK, found a link to the emails/evidence, but too many pages to go through.

Link

So if you say there is evidence of Men's Basketball players getting their grades changed or work done for them (and McCants media statements don't count), then I believe you.

But I personally find that much more "sinister" than easily graded courses, so I've very surprised that in all the articles about the announcement Friday that I've read, none of them mention that at all. Odd.

Nice pivot

But A)if you think that the secretary changed grades just for the woman's team and not the mens then you are all kinds of special

 B)why didnt the womans team get hit with any penalities?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This is false, but I'm not going to take the time to find a link. Some grades were definitely changed. Perhaps not hundreds of grades, like there were hundreds of classes, but not zero either.

Furthermore, there is little need to change grades when a secretary who shows favoritism for athletes and is in a long-standing relationship with an ex-UNC basketball player is grading the papers in the first place. None of this is in dispute.

You can laugh all you want, but any attempt to defend or rationalize what was done here is beneath you.

I see a difference between those two situations. You don’t. Agree to disagree. 

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Nice pivot

But A)if you think that the secretary changed grades just for the woman's team and not the mens then you are all kinds of special

 B)why didnt the womans team get hit with any penalities?

Honestly? Whatever makes you and fellow fans feel better is what you should be telling yourself. Because at this point, that’s all you have. Good luck to your team in the future. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Jesus, UNC players did nothing wrong by having fake classes.  NC State players are ineligible for actually going to class.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article178677026.html

NCAA finally comes to it senses and lets Beverly play this year