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Rozelle

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The Boley player spotlight inspired this thread. While reading up on Mr. Boley, I noticed him listed as a BLB in NFL Gamebook. I thought it was strange to have him listed like that in a 4-3. Why does Atlanta list hjm as a BLB and not a SLB?

“Elephant” is another term used, the way I understand it is ... it’s basically a DE in a 4-3 and OLB in 3-4. Hearing the term “Elephant”, you immediately think of Charles Haley.

This kinda stuff is right up Jene’s alley, he’’ll be able to shed more light on this.

Here’s a brief and basic description from Wikipedia

Strongside linebacker

The strongside linebacker (SLB) is often nicknamed "Sam" for purposes of calling a blitz. Since the strong side of the offensive team is the side on which the tight end lines up, the strongside linebacker usually lines up across from the tight end. Often the strongside linebacker will be called upon to tackle the running back on a play, because the back will be following the tight end's block. He is most often the strongest linebacker, at the least he possess the ability to withstand, shed, and fight off blocks from a TE or (in passing situations) an FB blocking the backside of a pass play.

Weakside linebacker

The weakside linebacker (WLB), or "Will", must be the fastest of the three, because he is often the one called into pass coverage. He is also usually chasing the play from the backside, so the ability to maneuver through traffic is a necessity for Will. Will usually aligns off the line of scrimmage at the same depth as Mike. Due to his position on the weakside, Will does not often have to face large interior linemen one on one unless one is pulling. In coverage, Will often covers the back that attacks his side of the field first in man coverage, while covering the weak flat or hook/curl areas in zone coverage. In a 3-4 defense the "Will" Linebacker plays on the "weakside" of the two middle Linebacker positions and a 4th Linebacker comes in to play the weakside. Known as a "Rush", "Rover", and/or "Buck" Linebacker, their responsibility is more pass rush based but often is called into run stop (gap control) and pass coverage.

Middle/Inside linebacker

Typically the middle linebacker (MLB), or "Mike", is responsible for calling the defensive play and communicating with the coach. The middle linebacker's primary responsibility is to be the lead tackler and shut down the opposition's running attack. In some defenses, Mike is responsible for a specific gap, while in others he's given more freedom. Due to his position directly over the ball, Mike must be able to effectively shed blocks coming from interior linemen but must also possess the range and speed to cover backs and shut down wide runs. Intense aggressiveness is often a desirable characteristic in a middle linebacker as hesitation of any duration can be fatal at this position. In the 3-4 defense, there are 2 different inside linebackers that occupy the middle, therefore the one closer to the strong side is called the "Mike", while the weak side is called "Will" and less often "Buck" or "Jack". Also Middle and Inside linebackers are known as LILB or RILB, which stands for Left Inside Linebacker and Right Inside Linebacker. This just depends on whether or not a linebacker is put in for the Middle Linebacker position when they usually play Outside Linebacker.

Here’s is a Rover description from an experienced High School coach

It is not usually referred to as the Rover anymore, as defenses have evolved. In past years (several decades ago) a rover was a strong safety in a 5 scheme ( 5 man line) -- which made him a hybrid linebacker/defensive back.

For example, in a 5-2 Monster Defense, the Rover was the "monster". You had a 5 man line and 2 LBs, and the rover/strong safety/monster (or "The Wolfman" as he was known in Joe Paterno's defense of the late 60's/early 70's at Penn State) might line up on the offense's strong side, or on the wide side of the field, or in a position to "key" on the offenses top performer and go wherever he went.

In an older version of the 4-3 defense, the Rover was generally a defensive back who would rotate in a zone to come up and support on runing plays and cover the flats on passing plays.

However, in the 4-3, while the Rover was a DB, the Monster was the Middle Linebacker.

You can still find a "Rover" at the high school & small-college level, but not much any longer in major colleges.

Many of us think of Brian Urlacher when we hear Rover. He played the "Lobo" position, (a LB/DB hybrid) at New Mexico, a rover who created havoc everywhere. I believe Roy Williams played a similar role at Texas.

 
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This kinda stuff is right up Jene’s alley, he’’ll be able to shed more light on this.
:sadbanana: :lmao: It can be a confusing mess, for the most part. With a few exceptions (i.e. Rush, Rover, etc), the designations don't have much to do with the responsibility of the player. From what I've been able to piece together over time, most of the names don't have any great story behind them. There are some interesting stories that get fit to the names after the fact, but the names are just shorter terms to make the playbook and on-field teaching easier. And, depending on the playbook, one name can mean more than one positional responsibility.

Rozelle's links are great. Here's some other thoughts and things I've come across along the same lines.

The Buck linebacker, in every instance I've seen, is a strong side player. The Wiki link above implies that it's a weak side term, and it may be in some playbooks, but I've yet to see it. The playbooks that use Buck terminology in today's NFL use it to denote a 4-3 SLB or 3-4 SILB. I don't know if there's a specific player associated with the term, but I saw one coach note that his team used the Buck terminology because it rhymes with a not-safe-for-FBG word that describes what he wanted his strong side backer to do to running plays to that side of the field.

The Elephant position doesn't have a very sexy story either. Fred Dean was the first Elephant player. Some say the role (weak side end/stand up pass rusher in a hybridish 4-3 front) got its name from Dean's long arms or the fact that the player was super-sized for his position. Neither are apparently true according to the coaches who coined the term.

I've also seen the Rover called a Lurker or Robber, which are also secondary terms for the same responsibilities.

Other terms you'll see:

Mike/Mac/Mo -- Like Will and Sam for their respective positions/roles, these terms are just names shortened from middle linebacker. I've seen any of the three used interchangeably for any ILB, both 4-3 and 3-4.

Jack -- A weak side player, either 4-3 or 3-4 ILB. Parcells' playbook uses a Jack, but I haven't seen any good stories about why a Jack became a Jack. Some Steeler fan may argue that it derives from Jack Ham, but I've never seen anything definitive.

Ted -- A strong side player, usually a 3-4 ILB. Lots of speculation here, all of which may have a level of truth. I've seen people say that the Ted backer is so named because he lines up across from the tight end. I've heard that the Ted was coined for Ted Hendricks. I don't have any confirmation of either, though.

If anyone knows differently, I'd love to see the explanations.

For me, when I see those playbook specific terms in the Gamebook, I know I'm looking at a correct depth chart and not one that was put together by someone outside the team.

 
Fred Dean … ah yes, Haley came along after, right team, wrong guy. They both were used as situational pass rushers, Dean only started 5 of his 57 games as a Niner (1981-85), and Haley had but 3 starts in his first 2 years (1986-87).

Is it accurate saying LT made the “Elephant” position famous? I think this is also referred to as “Joker” … is that right?

So Jene, do you think there’s anything to Boley’s strong production for a “Sam”, in terms of him being listed as a BLB instead of a SLB, and how Atlanta uses him, or is it nothing more than terminology?

 
Fred Dean … ah yes, Haley came along after, right team, wrong guy. They both were used as situational pass rushers, Dean only started 5 of his 57 games as a Niner (1981-85), and Haley had but 3 starts in his first 2 years (1986-87).

Is it accurate saying LT made the “Elephant” position famous? I think this is also referred to as “Joker” … is that right?

So Jene, do you think there’s anything to Boley’s strong production for a “Sam”, in terms of him being listed as a BLB instead of a SLB, and how Atlanta uses him, or is it nothing more than terminology?
I think LT was too much of a traditional 3-4 ROLB to be called an "Elephant"; when I think of "Elephant" Haley is the first name that comes to mind. I've also seen John Abraham and KGB described that way in recent seasons. I've seen Joker used in a bunch of ways. Some have likened it to the Elephant position, but it's more of a roving rush LB (recall the Thomas Davis talk) than that hybrid standup weak side OLB/DE role. Splitting hairs, though, probably.With respect to Boley, I don't think he was a "BLB" last year. The defense changed with Zimmer, but the Gamebook depth charts didn't -- which I suppose means I should already amend my statement about being able to trust the depth charts with the less traditional nomenclature :rant: . Anyway, Boley got a lot of snaps away from the TE last year -- at least he did in the MNF game I saw the Falcons play, the only extended look I got at them last year. They may have been a ROLB-LOLB team last year. Zimmer didn't do that with Nguyen and Coakley as I recall, though, and the local Cincinnati media seem to think Rivers and Jeanty are dedicated weak-strong starters, so I don't know how to speculate about what happened all year long in Atlanta last year. I think Boley's all-around ability helped him when he played on the strong side, but I'll bet that he got a lot of snaps as the WLB based on what I saw on MNF and that carried his stats as much as anything.

In 2008, things probably don't change much for Boley. Mike Smith did a lot of right-left rather than weak-strong in Jacksonville in recent seasons.

 
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Good stuff as always Jene. You answered another question I had about Smith and the right/left thing ... Thanks
 

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