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Union Members who Vote Republican ... wtf? (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

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I see a lot of people driving around with Trump stickers and MAGA and all that nonsense on their vehicles.  People I know to be union members.  And yet they vote consistently Republican right on down the line.  With the recent attack on OT laws, they won't be impacted because of their union status.  But why would you vote against your own best interests like this?  It's truly puzzling to me.  I'd love to hear the rationale here.  

The best I can come up with is that bought the whole "He's coming for my guns" BS hook, line, and sinker.  But even still.  Why would you vote to weaken your own livelihood?

 
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My best guess is that they don't realize they're voting against their own interests.

The vast majority of voters is much less engaged/educated on the issues than those who post here.

 
Under the proposed changes, eligible employees -- if their employer decides to offer the option -- would be able to voluntarily choose to receive comp time they can bank and use at a future date in lieu of immediate overtime pay in their paychecks. If they change their minds and want the pay after all, employees would have the option of "cashing out," with the employer required to pay the overtime within 30 days.

Oh, the indignities. 

 
It's incredibly common amongst union folks. It becomes an "I got mine" mentality and they don't realize they're voting against people who openly plot against them. But they like the short line gain of some tax savings and probably dislike minorities. 

 
My best guess?  They're stuck in the #ucking union, because of, you know, the union, but don't agree with liberal policy because they were raised to work hard.  Not to see some lazy ### keep his job because of tenure. 

 
MarvinTScamper said:
My best guess?  They're stuck in the #ucking union, because of, you know, the union, but don't agree with liberal policy because they were raised to work hard.  Not to see some lazy ### keep his job because of tenure. 
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Unions aren't jails.  How can you be stuck in a union? 

 
Sabertooth said:
There would be no overtime laws if it weren't for unions.

You are focusing on one thing.  Are you one of the guys I am asking about?  Are you a union member who votes Republican?  
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I'm focusing on what you stated in the thread opener. No, I'm not in a union, but I work in the same shop as union employees and previously was a union member. 

 
Sabertooth said:
  But why would you vote against your own best interests like this?  It's truly puzzling to me.  I'd love to hear the rationale here.  
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The same could be asked about numerous other constituencies.  Why do rich people in Manhattan continuously vote for Democrats who want to raise their taxes?  I think it is a huge positive in the big picture that people vote against their own best interest, otherwise voting would just be about which politician is going to give me the most free stuff.

 
Have to lay some of the blame on the Democrats for this as well, so bad at getting their message across.

For a long time now the Democrats have been the party of the working man, the GOP the party of the CEO.

But if you ask most of those union member Trump voters, they'd probably tell you he's gonna help them more than the Democrats would.

Which is of course absurd, but the Democrats haven't done enough to drive that point home. They portray themselves as the party of diversity and unity, but not the party of the common working man. They need to get back to that IMO.

 
Skoo said:
Have to lay some of the blame on the Democrats for this as well, so bad at getting their message across.

For a long time now the Democrats have been the party of the working man, the GOP the party of the CEO.

But if you ask most of those union member Trump voters, they'd probably tell you he's gonna help them more than the Democrats would.

Which is of course absurd, but the Democrats haven't done enough to drive that point home. They portray themselves as the party of diversity and unity, but not the party of the common working man. They need to get back to that IMO.
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I agree.  I think they became the women's and LGBT party somehow.  Which is great, but they kind of left their bread and butter behind.  

 
You can move.  Change jobs.  Change professions.  It might be inconvenient to do those things.  But it isn't impossible.  

 
Skoo said:
Have to lay some of the blame on the Democrats for this as well, so bad at getting their message across.

For a long time now the Democrats have been the party of the working man, the GOP the party of the CEO.

But if you ask most of those union member Trump voters, they'd probably tell you he's gonna help them more than the Democrats would.

Which is of course absurd, but the Democrats haven't done enough to drive that point home. They portray themselves as the party of diversity and unity, but not the party of the common working man. They need to get back to that IMO.
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Most union members are still pro-Democrat.  The ones that voted for Trump are concentrated in areas Obama ignored and Hillary openly mocked.  I can't blame them for voting Trump seeing how Democrats largely treated them with disdain.

Whether or not they stay Republican is now up to Trump.  I don't have a lot of faith in his abilities, but it would be a massive win for Republicans if the rust belt flipped.

 
For those saying guys are "stuck" in a union, can you please point to any examples where non union employees make more than their union counterparts?

 
Smack Tripper said:
For those saying guys are "stuck" in a union, can you please point to any examples where non union employees make more than their union counterparts?
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I didn't think this was the hard part.  We all know guys who feel stuck by the union.  It's not about making less, it's about the black ball, or the implied threat.  No jobs, because the big guys have to go with union folks because of, well, again the #ucking union. 

 
Smack Tripper said:
For those saying guys are "stuck" in a union, can you please point to any examples where non union employees make more than their union counterparts?
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Unions are pretty much across entire fields. In other words, you dont see too many non-union construction workers in which you can compare. 

 
Between this and Boston being in the spotlight this week, it's time for a story:

In early 1976, i was working for a Boston radio station, producing commercials and comedy blackouts for the jocks, reading the news if i was around during drive time and doing a little actual reporting when they let me. There were 13 candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination and one of them, SC Gov Terry Sanford, had a heart attack in Salem. ABC called my station, their affiliate, and asked if they had anyone who could get out to Salem. "Our news guy lives there!". They called me and asked if i would string it and the 1st electronic media report on Sanford's coronary was li'l ol' me. They gave me a national press credential for my trouble and the station gave me carte blanche, more or less.

Worked that free pass like a ho. Ballgames (got in the pressbox for MNF's first game @ Schaefer Stadium, all of us shooting spitballs @ Cosell & ####), concerts, the presidential press train, Bicentennial #### in 3 cities, Princess Anne's cotillions when she came over to qualify for the Olympic equestrian team (aristocratic British ##### is epic & twisted, btw), Montreal Olympics (Comenici, Sugar Ray, Mick & Bianca at the closings), everything - BigMedia credentials were huuuuge in those days.

The strangest event of all, though, was a campaign rally. Champion racist George Wallace was one of the 12 remaining Dem Prez candidates and a rally in Southie (Boston was amidst the busing controversy that galvanized their rep as a racist town) that winter had been riotously successful. His next appearance, close to the primary, was at Boston's biggest concert hall and the security was unprecendented. Little ol me (i looked like the Lion of Oz and dressed like a rockstar in those days) sailed right through with my Big Ticket, a lot of legit reporters did not.

I was treated to lessons in hubris, celebrity and public hysteria that formed my personal outlook like few things have. Wheeled out by more attendants than James Brown to plexiglass screening never before seen, Wallace held the audience of 5000 hard-hatted (literally), red-faced, decent workin' folk in the palm of his hand and caressed them with n-hatin' love and wisdom with a power & presence i've only seen equalled by Prince and Zero Mostel. Most memorably he told them, in so many words, "Let all the know-it-alls ('elite' wasn't a noun yet) do what they will - i'm the only guy as stupid as you and, with your help, i'll go to Washington, remain stupid to every aspect of progress them ungrateful pointyheads will throw at us, protect wilful oblivion with my every breath and fulfill your dreams of America just for us peckowoods!" *crowd goes wild* He coulda wheeled himself into Roxbury right there and every manjack of that audience would have followed him and broke the last 43 darkie necks in Boston just for Gov Wallace's viewing pleasure. I'm not kidding.

Why did hardhats vote for Trump? Same message, this time not from a cracker politician, but a self-made ( :lmao: ) man from their kind. Trump never worried me. America does....

 
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Love them or hate them but unions have a huge impact in how you work today. If not for he unions, jobs/careers, may not have as many benefits as the American worker has now. Get rid of the unions and you think the American worker will be better off? That is lolz. Again, like them or hate them, the unions are largely responsible for the conditions/benefits you are all working with today. 

 
Mario Kart said:
Love them or hate them but unions have a huge impact in how you work today. If not for he unions, jobs/careers, may not have as many benefits as the American worker has now. Get rid of the unions and you think the American worker will be better off? That is lolz. Again, like them or hate them, the unions are largely responsible for the conditions/benefits you are all working with today. 
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Said the union guy

 
The unions may have given us overtime pay & weekends off, but to be fair it was the religious nuts who first gave us Sundays off to watch football.

 
If t weren't a "union" thing, it would be recognized as price gouging.   So, #### the little guy to benefit the little guy?  Pass

 
MarvinTScamper said:
I didn't think this was the hard part.  We all know guys who feel stuck by the union.  It's not about making less, it's about the black ball, or the implied threat.  No jobs, because the big guys have to go with union folks because of, well, again the #ucking union. 
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I don't anyone that feels stuck by a union.  Or maybe I'm misreading how you're applying this word. 

Do you know why you can't work around a union? Because everyone's rate will fall, that's the point of a union. 

That fundamental concept and construct is up for debate but it is not debatable by the union worker who's realizing the benefit of solidarity. 

 
Sabertooth said:
I see a lot of people driving around with Trump stickers and MAGA and all that nonsense on their vehicles.  People I know to be union members.  And yet they vote consistently Republican right on down the line.  With the recent attack on OT laws, they won't be impacted because of their union status.  But why would you vote against your own best interests like this?  It's truly puzzling to me.  I'd love to hear the rationale here.  

The best I can come up with is that bought the whole "He's coming for my guns" BS hook, line, and sinker.  But even still.  Why would you vote to weaken your own livelihood?
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The Dems thought it was more important to focus on minorities, illegal aliens, LGBT's and women.  Suffering white laborers didn't make the cut.

 
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