Update: Edwards to Giants? Maybe, Maybe not (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Originally Posted as Likely -

Report: Giants likely to get Braylon Edwards

Citing two sources "with knowledge of the negotiations," Yahoo Sports reports that the Giants are expected to trade for Braylon Edwards before the April 25-26 NFL Draft.

"The Giants are going to have to up the offer a bit, but (the Browns) are willing to move him," one of the sources said. "The Giants are motivated." Edwards would be the ideal fit to replace Plaxico Burress at split end in New York. With Robert Royal and David Patten as their top two pass catchers left, however, the Browns' offense would look historically poor on paper. Apr. 14 - 1:42 pm et

Source: Yahoo Sports

Report: Edwards-to-Giants trade now unlikely

Profootballtalk.com hears that a Braylon Edwards trade to the Giants is unlikely, despite two reports to the contrary.

PFT suggests both sides are "posturing," with Cleveland leaking rumors to drive up Edwards' market, and New York holding out "until the Browns drop their asking price" and Edwards his contract demands. The Browns are said to be asking for Mathias Kiwanuka. Edwards wants to be paid $10M a year. Apr. 14 - 5:36 pm et

Source: Profootballtalk.com

Braylon Edwards-WR - Browns Apr. 14 - 11:42 pm et

CBS Sports reports that the Giants are working on a trade to acquire Braylon Edwards, but considers the deal "a work in progress."

"Something is going on," a league executive told CBS Sports' Clark Judge, "and the Giants are in the middle of it." One scout considers most of the Giants' current wideouts "No. 3 receivers...so there's definitely a need." It sounds like the negotiations could be ongoing right up until April 25.Source: CBS Sports

Braylon Edwards-WR- Browns Apr. 15 - 9:27 am et

According to the New York Post, "there is no new news to indicate" that Braylon Edwards is "expected" to be dealt to the Giants before the draft as Yahoo.com reported Tuesday.

The Giants remain interested, but Edwards' reported demands of upwards of $10 million per year and the Browns' asking price of a first- and third-rounder are stumbling blocks. Still, the Giants realize the chances of landing an impact receiver late in the first round are slim.

Source: New York Post

 

[CentralPA]

Report: Giants likely to get Braylon Edwards Citing two sources "with knowledge of the negotiations," Yahoo Sports reports that the Giants are expected to trade for Braylon Edwards before the April 25-26 NFL Draft."The Giants are going to have to up the offer a bit, but (the Browns) are willing to move him," one of the sources said. "The Giants are motivated." Edwards would be the ideal fit to replace Plaxico Burress at split end in New York. With Robert Royal and David Patten as their top two pass catchers left, however, the Browns' offense would look historically poor on paper. Apr. 14 - 1:42 pm etSource: Yahoo Sports

Crap!

 

[travdogg]

Well, the Giants have made the most sense and kinda been the favorite all along so this isn't surprising.

I'm starting to think Cleveland is going to reach Detroit-like levels this season unless pretty much every draft pick pans out.

Interestingly enough, didn't Braylon's best game last season come against the Giants.

ETA: Fantasy-wise, I think this is a side step for Braylon and doesn't really upgrade Eli all that much, the biggest benefactor here is likely Brandon Jacobs since he probably won't be facing 9-man fronts like he saw after Plax went down.

 

[thriftyrocker]

This is good news for Braylon owners, bad news for Hixon owners.

As an Eagles fan, I'd much rather they get Braylon than Boldin.

News alert: The Browns are going to be terrible next year.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.05 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

 

[The Hank]

This is good news for Braylon owners, bad news for Hixon owners.

As an Eagles fan, I'd much rather they get Braylon than Boldin.

News alert: The Browns are were already going to be terrible next year.

Fixed

 

[mikel0254]

IF THIS HAPPENS - I think it helps Edwards and he goes from a low WR2 to a high WR2. The supporting cast and good defense in NY should all be an improvement over Cleveland

 

[travdogg]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.04 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

The way the Browns luck goes either KC or Seattle will take Crabtree.

 

[identikit]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.04 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

Or maybe at 1.5....

 

[The Velvet Hammer]

The one thing Edwards owners can hang their hat on is that he would be out staph zone

 

[Couch Potato]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...

New York Giants at 03:50

1-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).

3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.04 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

Or maybe at 1.5....

Yup, 1.05. Oops. Fixed.

 

[amnesiac]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.05 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

i agree. i think that's why the Braylon trade talks first started, i think they like Crabtree and they think Curry will be gone.i wonder if they wait until they're on the clock to pull the trigger on the trade?

 

[BoulderBob]

Makes sense, Eli absolutely needs a big target to win...still hoping Jerry Angelo can throw away the rest of his draft picks to get it done, but this is also a good fit for fantasy purposes.

Source says the Giants will have to "up the offer", does that mean a first and third? Still think trading Edwards is a bad move for the Brownies, but if they feel Crab is a better fit, so be it.

 

[mikel0254]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...New York Giants at 03:501-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

 

[Couch Potato]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...

New York Giants at 03:50

1-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).

3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

And here's my link for that.

 

[Couch Potato]

Makes sense, Eli absolutely needs a big target to win...still hoping Jerry Angelo can throw away the rest of his draft picks to get it done, but this is also a good fit for fantasy purposes.

Source says the Giants will have to "up the offer", does that mean a first and third? Still think trading Edwards is a bad move for the Brownies, but if they feel Crab is a better fit, so be it.

When these rumors began a few weeks ago, IIRC it was supposed to be a 1st and WR Steve Smith that the Browns wanted, and the Giants were offering the 1st and a choice of Manningham or Hixon. Everyone denied this ever was talked about, of course, but those reports were probably accurate.So, don't be surprised if it's a 1st and either Manningham or Hixon. Lord knows the Brownies do need a WR.

 

[travdogg]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...New York Giants at 03:501-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

You left out the one that's 5 yards over Braylon's head.

 

[BoulderBob]

Makes sense, Eli absolutely needs a big target to win...still hoping Jerry Angelo can throw away the rest of his draft picks to get it done, but this is also a good fit for fantasy purposes.

Source says the Giants will have to "up the offer", does that mean a first and third? Still think trading Edwards is a bad move for the Brownies, but if they feel Crab is a better fit, so be it.

When these rumors began a few weeks ago, IIRC it was supposed to be a 1st and WR Steve Smith that the Browns wanted, and the Giants were offering the 1st and a choice of Manningham or Hixon. Everyone denied this ever was talked about, of course, but those reports were probably accurate.So, don't be surprised if it's a 1st and either Manningham or Hixon. Lord knows the Brownies do need a WR.

Thanks, and that makes sense, and appears to be fair for both sides.

 

[travdogg]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.05 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

i agree. i think that's why the Braylon trade talks first started, i think they like Crabtree and they think Curry will be gone.i wonder if they wait until they're on the clock to pull the trigger on the trade?

That seems so risky. Its no lock that Crabtree is available at the #5 pick. Yikes, doing this deal means that Jamal Lewis is Cleveland's best skill position player...in 2009.

 

[trogg78]

He may be able to really perform when he doesn't have to worry about getting a staph infection or some other disgusting disease in that cespool of a locker room.

 

[CentralPA]

I think a change of scenery with a better QB will bring back the 1200 yard 16 TD Braylon. I think he could end up being better than Plax. But that's just my pesseimistic Eagles fan side talking.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.05 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

Better yet, maybe the Seahawks make the Browns pay up to move a spot higher to get him. If I were the Hawks I'd start dropping hints about liking Crabtree.

 

[kremenull]

What dummies are running things in Cleveland?.....Oh, Mangini the wunderkind, I forgot for a second.....First, you trade KW II, one of your true team leaders. Now, you dangle Quinn and Edwards for draft picks......And to top it off, you will not land Crabtree at #5 (the Chiefs will in my latest mock...arriving here in the SP shortly) unless you trade up to #2.......

Looks like a total overhaul in Cleveland....Would I trust Mangini and Co. to be able to rebuild a franchise after tearing it apart? No. What has he ever done to warrant any confidence in such a monumental task?......:crickets:

 

[MAC_32]

If Braylon goes, as I think he will, I think Quinn stays. DA throwing to a bunch of guys that can't go downfield would be dumb. I'm beginning to believe this Quinn talk is just a smoke screen to up trade value, whether that's for the #5 pick or DA, I don't know, but I simply can't get my head around the staff dumping Quinn for either DA or Sanchez.

 

[FavreCo]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...New York Giants at 03:501-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

This is my kind of analysis. Spot on I might add. As an owner of the incredibly inconsisten and inacurate Eli, this isn't exactly going to up his value. He is solidly now my #2 behind Matt Ryan.Innacurate QB + WR with brick mits = frustration.

 

[MAC_32]

And to top it off, you will not land Crabtree at #5

I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in their plans regardless. If Robiskie falls to our early 2nd rounder I think he's ours.

 

[MAC_32]

I think this will happen, and I think it will also mean drafting Crabtree at 1.05 and then defense with the acquired 1st rounder from the Giants.

Better yet, maybe the Seahawks make the Browns pay up to move a spot higher to get him. If I were the Hawks I'd start dropping hints about liking Crabtree.

I'd be shocked if the Browns trade up even one time in the entire draft. They want more picks, not less.

 

[gianmarco]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...

New York Giants at 03:50

1-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).

3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

This is my kind of analysis. Spot on I might add. As an owner of the incredibly inconsisten and inacurate Eli, this isn't exactly going to up his value. He is solidly now my #2 behind Matt Ryan.Innacurate QB + WR with brick mits = frustration.

Don't forget the wind

 

[FavreCo]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...

New York Giants at 03:50

1-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).

3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).

4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

This is my kind of analysis. Spot on I might add. As an owner of the incredibly inconsisten and inacurate Eli, this isn't exactly going to up his value. He is solidly now my #2 behind Matt Ryan.Innacurate QB + WR with brick mits = frustration.

Don't forget the wind

The wind is how Manning actually completes passes.

 

[Biabreakable]

He'll get a lot of targets at least...New York Giants at 03:501-10-NYG30 (3:50) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).2-10-NYG30 (3:40) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to B. Edwards (bounced).3-10-NYG30 (3:30) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B. Edwards (dropped).4-10-NYG30 (3:20) J.Feagles punts 40 yards to PHI 30, out of bounds.

You left out the one that's 5 yards over Braylon's head.

That would be on the next series.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

cleveland is about to become a disaster of biblical proportions

 

[MAC_32]

cleveland is about to become a disaster of biblical proportions

News flash, we already were. ManKok's just in clean up mode.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

cleveland is about to become a disaster of biblical proportions

News flash, we already were. ManKok's just in clean up mode.

no I mean like 0-16 lions like bad

 

[netnalp]

April 14, 2009

Giants back in hunt for Braylon

With less than two weeks to go before the NFL Draft, the Braylon Edwards’ chase is on again, and the Giants are absolutely a part of it.

According to an NFL source familiar with the situation, the Giants and Browns have recently re-opened discussions about the big, 26-year-old receiver that had begun last month at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. The talks are more substantial now than they were, and the source said the Browns appear eager to make a deal.

The Giants certainly have a lot to offer, but they may not be willing to deal the one thing that could immediately get the deal done. The Browns are believed to desire defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka. However, one Giants source who would not confirm anything about possible trade talks, said the Giants have no intention of trading the promising 26-year-old end.

What might be on the table, though, is their first-round pick - 29th overall. According to a report in The National Football Post, the Browns currently have an offer of a No. 1 pick on the table from an unidentified team. The report states the Browns are “in love” with Texas Tech receiver Michael Crabtree, whom they would take with the fifth overall pick, presumably to replace Edwards in their lineup (though they could also make quite the dynamic 1-2 punch, too).

It’s not known if the Giants are the unidentified team to offer their first-round pick. However, two days after that report came another report from Yahoo! Sports that said Edwards is expected to become a member of the New York Giants before the NFL draft on April 25-26.

It’s too early to tell if a deal is really that likely, but clearly GM Jerry Reese - who declined to comment on any possible talks - is positioning the Giants to be in the hunt. Of course, he’s been doing that since he approached Browns GM George Kokinis and opened discussions back in February.

At the time, the Giants reportedly offered the Browns the second- and fifth-round picks they got from New Orleans in the Jeremy Shockey trade. The same report said the Browns countered by asking for receiver Steve Smith and the picks. The Giants countered that, according to the report, by offering receivers Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham instead.

The Giants later vehemently denied that any players were part of the discussions with the Browns. With 10 draft picks - including five in the first 100 selections - the Giants would rather use a package of those to make a deal, according to a source, rather than part with a player.

Rotoworld's take:

The Daily News says Cleveland is "eager to make a deal." The Giants have ten draft picks and the Browns are expected to command at least first- and third-rounders. Cleveland also may ask for Mathias Kiwanuka, who would play outside linebacker in Eric Mangini's 3-4. The Giants do not want to part with Kiwi, but may counter with one or two of their young receivers.

 

[Mikey16x]

Please, Jerry don't do this. Make a call to Arizona first.. There is no place on the Giants for a receiver that can't catch the ball.

 

[Couch Potato]

What dummies are running things in Cleveland?.....

You'll love this from Pro Football Weekly's The Way We Hear It:

April 6, 2009

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

“(Browns GM George) Kokinis is clueless. He had little to no negotiating experience before he took the job, and he is not decisive at all. He is running the organization like he read how to be a GM out of a book. Who offers all of their players to be traded! With this group running the show the way they are now, they will not make it as long as the last group did. It’s a joke.”

 

[RUSF18]

Just heard Mike Francesca on WFAN saying he thinks it will get done for a 2nd, a 5th, and a player.

Seems low. This is also coming from a guy who just made it seem like he's the first to report that Brady Quinn is on the block.

 

[finito]

Please, Jerry don't do this. Make a call to Arizona first.. There is no place on the Giants for a receiver that can't catch the ball.

I would think Ocho Cinco would be cheaper than Boldin or Edwards, and IMO might just be the best fit - Gmen are built to win now and Chad has 2-3 years left in the tank.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What dummies are running things in Cleveland?.....

You'll love this from Pro Football Weekly's The Way We Hear It:

April 6, 2009

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

“(Browns GM George) Kokinis is clueless. He had little to no negotiating experience before he took the job, and he is not decisive at all. He is running the organization like he read how to be a GM out of a book. Who offers all of their players to be traded! With this group running the show the way they are now, they will not make it as long as the last group did. It’s a joke.”

Sounds to me like the Browns GM is some fantasy football junkie from FBGs

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sounds to me like the Browns GM is some fantasy football junkie from FBGs

I honestly think there's at least a half dozen guys around here that could do a better job than about 50% of NFL GM's.

 

[Couch Potato]

Just heard Mike Francesca on WFAN saying he thinks it will get done for a 2nd, a 5th, and a player.Seems low. This is also coming from a guy who just made it seem like he's the first to report that Brady Quinn is on the block.

Fatcesca is just mouthing the old February rumor by saying that it sounds like. Everything rumored recently has a 1st involved. But... if that's accurate, and it's only a 2nd rather than a 1st, the player would have to be Kiwi rather than one of the WRs I would think.

 

[FUBAR]

Just heard Mike Francesca on WFAN saying he thinks it will get done for a 2nd, a 5th, and a player.Seems low. This is also coming from a guy who just made it seem like he's the first to report that Brady Quinn is on the block.

Fatcesca is just mouthing the old February rumor by saying that it sounds like. Everything rumored recently has a 1st involved. But... if that's accurate, and it's only a 2nd rather than a 1st, the player would have to be Kiwi rather than one of the WRs I would think.

Kiwi woul make the deal very goo for Cleveland IMO.

 

[Yenrub]

Just heard Mike Francesca on WFAN saying he thinks it will get done for a 2nd, a 5th, and a player.Seems low. This is also coming from a guy who just made it seem like he's the first to report that Brady Quinn is on the block.

Fatcesca is just mouthing the old February rumor by saying that it sounds like. Everything rumored recently has a 1st involved. But... if that's accurate, and it's only a 2nd rather than a 1st, the player would have to be Kiwi rather than one of the WRs I would think.

Kiwi woul make the deal very goo for Cleveland IMO.

I trust that Jerry Reese is smart enough to not give up a DE with potential for a WR with potential

 

[VTjkru]

Sounds to me like the Browns GM is some fantasy football junkie from FBGs

I honestly think there's at least a half dozen guys around here that could do a better job than about 50% of NFL GM's.

I think when it comes to player personnel, probably. But I know I would be completely lost when it comes to contracts. Let me pick my players and fiddle with my draft picks, but I'll hire someone else to do the other work.

 

[Biabreakable]

Just heard Mike Francesca on WFAN saying he thinks it will get done for a 2nd, a 5th, and a player.Seems low. This is also coming from a guy who just made it seem like he's the first to report that Brady Quinn is on the block.

Fatcesca is just mouthing the old February rumor by saying that it sounds like. Everything rumored recently has a 1st involved. But... if that's accurate, and it's only a 2nd rather than a 1st, the player would have to be Kiwi rather than one of the WRs I would think.

Kiwi woul make the deal very goo for Cleveland IMO.

I trust that Jerry Reese is smart enough to not give up a DE with potential for a WR with potential

I agree. This is Giants here not the Browns.

 

[Londo]

I think Braylon could be a monster in a good offense like the Giants. Maybe a decent coaching staff can cure him of his dropsies.

 

[Yenrub]

I would like to add that I hope the Giants hang onto Hixon. He is a very good return guy and the Giants haven't had a good return guy in a while

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sounds to me like the Browns GM is some fantasy football junkie from FBGs

I honestly think there's at least a half dozen guys around here that could do a better job than about 50% of NFL GM's.

I think when it comes to player personnel, probably. But I know I would be completely lost when it comes to contracts. Let me pick my players and fiddle with my draft picks, but I'll hire someone else to do the other work.

I agree and I'm with you, but most teams have one guy responsible for the personnel and another "capologist" that's responsible for the contracts. I'm sure they work closely together, but they are two different responsibilities.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Sounds to me like the Browns GM is some fantasy football junkie from FBGs

I honestly think there's at least a half dozen guys around here that could do a better job than about 50% of NFL GM's.

I think when it comes to player personnel, probably. But I know I would be completely lost when it comes to contracts. Let me pick my players and fiddle with my draft picks, but I'll hire someone else to do the other work.

I agree and I'm with you, but most teams have one guy responsible for the personnel and another "capologist" that's responsible for the contracts. I'm sure they work closely together, but they are two different responsibilities.

We need to work on putting together a FBG ownership group and buy one of these teams -QG