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USA Shootings (11 Viewers)

rockaction said:
This is really the title of this thread? 

I'm all for controversy and provocation, but doesn't this seem a bit much? Can't you give it a long-winded, two sentence, make it a pain in the butt for everyone on the cellphone title? I can help.  
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It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.

When someone is killed we talk about what needs to change and offer thoughts and prayers but no one ever actually, you know, does anything.  Sometimes if the victims are extra young or white or pretty we think and pray even more, but really we don't care.

And far from sitting idly thinking and praying, we affirmatively support gun violence too.  We don't really petition the government to do anything.  We certainly keep electing representatives beholden to the NRA.

Sure, lots of people like to point out that other countries don't have the gun violence we have.  But we don't mind.  We're proud of our right to bear little death machines.  It's our heritage.  Besides, some people like to kill animals with the death machines even more than they like to kill people, and it would be un-####ing American to not let them do this.  Did you know that America is founded on the principle that you can do any ####ing hobby you want, even if stuff dies, and no one can take that away from you.  It's awesome.

So, having come to this realization I thought - wait a second - if we accept that gun violence is the price we pay for having legalized weapondry, isn't it a little pointless to go through feeling sad every time an innocent person gets killed by a gun?

For example, you might feel bad about this 14 year old girl who was killed in Kentucky the other day.  They've shown her school dance picture and she was young and vibrant, with a beautiful life ahead of her.  Today, in hindsight, it seems like kind of a shame that she had to be killed the other day.  It almost makes you want to think and pray.

But guess what?  Tomorrow, or maybe next week, or maybe next month, another kid will be killed in school.  Or another disgruntled worker will execute his five office-mates before turning the gun on himself.  Or a lone wolf psycho will get him some high powered assault rifles and a bump stock and slaughter dozens of people at the county fair.

And we KNOW, as we sit here today, that those 31 people mentioned in the last paragraph are going to die.  Of course we're not sure which school or office or fair will get shot up, but one of them will.  Probably more than one.

So we sit here doing nothing about those 31 people who's senseless violent deaths could be stopped if we just did something.  We do nothing about the hundreds of lives that will be ruined because their family member or friend or coworker died.

If we don't care or act or think or pray for all those people that we already know are going to be slaughtered sometime in the near future, why would we care when it actually happens?  The answer, I think, is that we don't care when it actually happens.  We only pretend to care because it seems like everyone else is also pretending to care.  Like someone told a joke that you don't get but everyone else is kind of laughing so you kind of laugh too.

That's why I chose that thread title.  That's why I thought it'd be good to catalog school shootings as they happen.

Because in America, school deaths simply aren't something to be sad about.  Did the Aztecs feel thinky and prayee when slaves were ceremonially gutted and thrown down the pyramid?  No.  Dead school children are our society's sacrifice to the NRA and Second Amendment gods.  Yay shootings!  USA, USA!!

 
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randall146 said:
It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.

When someone is killed we talk about what needs to change and offer thoughts and prayers but no one ever actually, you know, does anything.  Sometimes if the victims are extra young or white or pretty we think and pray even more, but really we don't care.

And far from sitting idly thinking and praying, we affirmatively support gun violence too.  We don't really petition the government to do anything.  We certainly keep electing representatives beholden to the NRA.

Sure, lots of people like to point out that other countries don't have the gun violence we have.  But we don't mind.  We're proud of our right to bear little death machines.  It's our heritage.  Besides, some people like to kill animals with the death machines even more than they like to kill people, and it would be un-####ing American to not let them do this.  Did you know that America is founded on the principle that you can do any ####ing hobby you want, even if stuff dies, and no one can take that away from you.  It's awesome.

So, having come to this realization I thought - wait a second - if we accept that gun violence is the price we pay for having legalized weapondry, isn't it a little pointless to go through feeling sad every time an innocent person gets killed by a gun?

For example, you might feel bad about this 14 year old girl who was killed in Kentucky the other day.  They've shown her school dance picture and she was young and vibrant, with a beautiful life ahead of her.  Today, in hindsight, it seems like kind of a shame that she had to be killed the other day.  It almost makes you want to think and pray.

But guess what?  Tomorrow, or maybe next week, or maybe next month, another kid will be killed in school.  Or another disgruntled worker will execute his five office-mates before turning the gun on himself.  Or a lone wolf psycho will get him some high powered assault rifles and a bump stock and slaughter dozens of people at the county fair.

And we KNOW, as we sit here today, that those 31 people mentioned in the last paragraph are going to die.  Of course we're not sure which school or office or state fair will get shot up, but one of them will.  Maybe more than one.

So we sit here doing nothing about those 31 people who's senseless violent deaths could be stopped if we just did something.  We do nothing about the hundreds of lives that will be ruinied because their family member or friend or coworker died.

If we don't care or act or think or pray for all those people that we already know are going to be slaughtered sometime in the near future, why would we care when it actually happens?  The answer, I think, is that we don't care when it actually happens.  We only pretend to care because it seems like everyone else is also pretending to care.  Like someone told a joke that you don't get but everyone else is kind of laughing so you kind of laugh too.

That's why I chose that thread title.  That's why I thought it'd be good to catalog school shootings as they happen.

Because in America, school deaths simply aren't something to be sad about.  Did the Aztecs feel thinky and prayee when slaves were ceremonially gutted and thrown down the pyramid?  No.  Dead school children are our society's sacrifice to the NRA and Second Amendment gods.  Yay shootings!  USA, USA!!
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A like seems insufficient.  We should be able to play ****, marry, kill with posts so that I could marry this one.  

 
Stealthycat said:
did you know ....

12/29/2016 Salt Lake City, UT University of Utah College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/9/2016 St. Louis, MO Bayless High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/1/2016 Bountiful, UT Mueller Park Junior High School Middle School Gun fired but no one injured
11/17/2016 St. Paul, MN Crossroads Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
11/11/2016 Auburn, MI Bay City Western High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
11/3/2016 Berthoud, CO Berthoud High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/2/2016 Grand Junction, CO Grand Junction High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
10/23/2016 Huntsville, AL Alabama A&M University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
10/23/2016 Caledonia, MI Davenport University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/11/2016 Prichard, AL Vigor High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/6/2016 Fort Worth, TX Dunbar High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/28/2016 Townville, SC Townville Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/15/2016 Stephenville, TX Tarleton State University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
9/9/2016 Montgomery, AL Auburn University at Montgomery College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/9/2016 Cedar Rapids, IA Cedar Rapids Jefferson High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
9/8/2016 Alpine, TX Alpine High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/2/2016 Tulsa, OK McLain High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/25/2016 Booneville, MS Northeast Mississippi Community College Community College Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
7/25/2016 Ava, MO Ava High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
7/7/2016 Dallas, TX El Centro College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
6/10/2016 Vallejo, CA Solano Community College Community College Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
6/7/2016 Columbia, MO University of Missouri College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
6/1/2016 Los Angeles, CA University of California-Los Angeles College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/15/2016 Augusta, KS Augusta High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
5/13/2016 Greenville, SC Southside High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
5/11/2016 Jamaica, NY St. John's University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
5/6/2016 Panama City, FL Oscar Patterson Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
5/6/2016 Columbia, MO University of Missouri College or University Gun fired but no one injured
5/6/2016 Twin Falls, ID Robert Stuart Middle School Middle School Gun fired but no one injured
5/5/2016 Beltsville, MD High Point High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/2/2016 Dallas, TX Kimball High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
4/29/2016 Charleston, WV University of Charleston College or University Gun fired but no one injured
4/16/2016 Tuskegee, AL Tuskegee University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/2/2016 Manhattan, KS Kansas State University College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
3/27/2016 Tacoma, WA University of Puget Sound College or University Gun fired but no one injured
3/23/2016 Charlotte, NC Johnson C. Smith University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
3/21/2016 Atlanta, GA Georgia State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
3/15/2016 Birmingham, AL Huffman High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/29/2016 Middletown, OH Madison High School K-12 School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/26/2016 Palestine, TX Palestine High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/17/2016 Homosassa, FL Rock Crusher Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
2/12/2016 Glendale, AZ Independence High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/9/2016 Muskegon Heights High School, MI Muskegon Heights High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/29/2016 Philadelphia, PA Benjamin Franklin High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
1/22/2016 Indianapolis, IN Lawrence Central High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/20/2016 Indianapolis, IN Northwest Community High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
1/13/2016 Camden, AR Harmony Grove High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
1/12/2016 Dover, DE Central Middle School Middle School Gun fired but no one injured
12/29/2015 Greeley, CO, CO Aims Community College College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
12/18/2015 Jackson, TN Lane College College or University Gun fired but no one injured
11/29/2015 Columbus, OH Ohio State University College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
11/11/2015 Sulphur Rock, AR Sulphur Rock Magnet School Middle School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
11/10/2015 Lecanto, FL Lecanto High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
11/5/2015 Moultrie, GA Vereen School Middle School Gun fired but no one injured
11/1/2015 Winston-Salem, NC Winston-Salem State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/25/2015 Durham, NC North Carolina Central University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/24/2015 San Antonio, TX Ed White Middle School Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/22/2015 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/15/2015 Langston, OK Langston University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
10/15/2015 San Antonio, TX Wagner High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
10/11/2015 Tampa, FL University of South Florida College or University Gun fired but no one injured
10/9/2015 Houston, TX Texas Southern University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/9/2015 Flagstaff, AZ Northern Arizona University - Flagstaff College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/6/2015 Houston, TX Texas Southern University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/2/2015 University City, MO University City High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/1/2015 Roseburg, OR Umpqua Community College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/30/2015 Harrisburg, SD Harrisburg High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/28/2015 Butte, MT Montana Tech of the University of Montana College or University Gun fired but no one injured
9/22/2015 Statesville, NC Central Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/14/2015 Cleveland, MS Delta State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/11/2015 Lafayette, LA Northside High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/3/2015 Sacramento, CA Sacramento City College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/27/2015 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/26/2015 Houston, TX Texas Southern University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/25/2015 Augusta, GA Hornsby Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
8/23/2015 Richmond, TX William Velasquez Elementary Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
8/8/2015 Wichita, KS Wichita State College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/8/2015 Paradise, TX Paradise High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
7/27/2015 Gainesville, FL University of Florida College or University Gun fired but no one injured
7/24/2015 Converse, TX Elolf Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
7/5/2015 Dallas, TX Coppell Middle School East Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
6/23/2015 Fort Calhoun, NE Fort Calhoun Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
6/4/2015 Franklin, NC South Macon Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
5/27/2015 Everglades City, FL Everglades City School Preschool Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/24/2015 Flint, MI Southwestern Classical Academy High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/20/2015 Robinson, TX Robinson High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
5/12/2015 Tempe, AZ Corona del Sol High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
5/5/2015 Conyers, GA Conyers Middle School Middle School Gun fired but no one injured
5/4/2015 Cleveland, OH Willow Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/4/2015 Orem, UT Utah Valley Univeristy College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
4/27/2015 Lacey, WA North Thurston High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
4/22/2015 Las Vegas, NV Ruthe Deskin Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
4/19/2015 Dover, DE Delaware State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/19/2015 Charlotte, NC Johnson C. Smith University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/18/2015 Dover, DE Delaware State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/17/2015 Seguin, TX Seguin High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
4/13/2015 Goldsboro, NC Wayne Community College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/4/2015 Everett, WA Everett Community College College or University Gun fired but no one injured
4/2/2015 Jackson, TN Lane College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/2/2015 Monaca, PA Community College of Beaver County College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
3/9/2015 Coon Rapids, MN Northwest Passage High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
2/23/2015 Daytona Beach, FL Bethune-Cookman University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/15/2015 Little Rock, AR Lawson Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/15/2015 Athens, GA University of Georgia College or University Gun fired but no one injured
2/15/2015 Merced, CA Tenaya Middle School Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/5/2015 Columbia, SC University of South Carolina College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/4/2015 Frederick, MD Frederick High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/2/2015 Mankato, MN Minnesota State University College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
1/26/2015 Roseville, MN Hand and Hand Montessori Preschool Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/23/2015 Hardeeville, SC Royal Live Oaks Academy K-12 School Gun fired but no one injured
1/20/2015 Mobile, AL Williamson High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/16/2015 Ocala, FL Vanguard High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/15/2015 Milwaukee, WI Wisconson Lutheran High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/17/2014 Pittsburgh, PA Sunnyside Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/17/2014 Waterville, ME Benton Elementary School Elementary School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
12/5/2014 Claremore, OK Rogers State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/23/2014 Annapolis, MD St Johns College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/20/2014 Tallahasse, FL Florida State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/24/2014 Marysville, WA Marysville Pilchuck High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/21/2014 Memphis, TN A. Maceo Walker Middle School Middle School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
10/18/2014 Langston, OK Langston University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/13/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
10/8/2014 Elizabeth City, NC Elizabeth City State University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
10/3/2014 Fairburn, GA Langston Hughes High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/30/2014 Albermarle, NC Abermarle High school High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/30/2014 Louisville, KY Fern Creek High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/29/2014 Terre Haute, IN Indiana State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/27/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/11/2014 Taylorsville, UT Westbrook Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
9/10/2014 Lake Mary, FL Greenwood Lakes Middle School Elementary School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
9/5/2014 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/2/2014 Pocatello, ID Idaho State University College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
8/14/2014 Newport News, VA Saunders Elementary Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/13/2014 Fredrick, MD Heather Ridge High school High School Gun fired but no one injured
6/27/2014 Miami, FL University of Miami College or University Gun fired but no one injured
6/23/2014 Benton, MO Kelly High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
6/10/2014 Troutdale, OR Reynolds High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
6/5/2014 Seattle, WA Seattle Pacific University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/21/2014 Milwaukee, WI Clarke Street School Playground Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/8/2014 Lawrenceville, GA Georgia Gwinnett College College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
5/8/2014 Georgetown, KY Georgetown College College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
5/5/2014 Augusta, GA Paine College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/4/2014 Augusta, GA Paine College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/3/2014 Everett, WA Horizon Elementary Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/2/2014 Milwaukee, WI Marquette University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/21/2014 Provo, UT Provo High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
4/21/2014 Griffith, IN St. Mary Catholic School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/16/2014 Council Bluffs, IA Iowa Western Community College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/11/2014 Detroit, MI East English Village Preparatory Academy High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/3/2014 Kent, OH Kent State University College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
3/30/2014 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College or University Gun fired but no one injured
3/23/2014 Newark, DE University of Delaware College or University Gun fired but no one injured
3/8/2014 Oshkosh, WI University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh College or University Gun fired but no one injured
3/7/2014 Tallulah, LA Madison Parish High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
3/2/2014 Westminster, MD McDaniel College College or University Gun fired but no one injured
2/20/2014 Raytown, MO Raytown Success Academy Preschool Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/12/2014 Jackson, TN Union University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/11/2014 Lyndhurst, OH Charles F. Brush High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
2/10/2014 Salisbury, NC Salisbury High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/7/2014 Bend, OR Bend High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
1/31/2014 Phoenix, AZ Cesar Chavez High School High School Gun fired but no one injured
1/31/2014 Des Moines, IA North High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/28/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/28/2014 Grambling, LA Grambling State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/24/2014 Orangeburg, SC South Carolina State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/21/2014 West Lafayette, IN Purdue University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/20/2014 Chester, PA Widener University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/17/2014 Philadelphia, PA Delaware Valley Charter High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
1/15/2014 Lancaster, PA King Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
1/14/2014 Roswell, NM Berrendo Middle School Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/9/2014 Jackson, TN Liberty Technology Magnet High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/19/2013 Fresno, CA Edison High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/13/2013 Centennial, CO Arapahoe High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
12/4/2013 Winter Garden, FL West Orange High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/21/2013 Rapid City, SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/3/2013 Stone Mountain, GA Stephenson High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/2/2013 Greensboro, NC North Carolina A&T State University Preschool Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
11/1/2013 Algona, IA Algona High/Middle School Middle School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
10/21/2013 Sparks, NV Sparks Middle School Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
10/15/2013 Austin, TX Lanier High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
10/4/2013 Pine Hills, FL Agape Christian Academy Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
9/28/2013 Gray, ME Gray-New Gloucester High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
9/21/2013 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/30/2013 Winston-Salem, NC Carver High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/23/2013 Sardis, MS North Panola High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
8/22/2013 Memphis, TN Westside Elementary School Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
8/20/2013 Decatur, GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy Elementary School Gun fired but no one injured
8/15/2013 Clarksville, TN Northwest High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
6/19/2013 West Palm Beach, FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
6/7/2013 Santa Monica, CA Santa Monica College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
5/3/2013 Hattiesburg, MS University of Southern Mississippi College or University Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
4/29/2013 Cincinnati, OH La Salle High School High School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa, AL Stillman College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/15/2013 Grambling, LA Grambling State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/13/2013 Elizabeth City, NC Elizabeth City State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
4/12/2013 Christiansburg, VA New River Community College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
3/21/2013 Southgate, MI Davidson Middle School Middle School Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
3/18/2013 Orlando, FL University of Central Florida College or University Attempted or completed suicide, with no intent to injure other person
2/27/2013 Atlanta, GA Henry W. Grady High School High School Gun fired unintentionally resulting in injury or death
2/13/2013 San Leandro, CA Hillside Elementary School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
2/1/2013 Altanta, GA Morehouse College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/31/2013 Atlanta, GA Price Middle School Middle School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/22/2013 Houston, TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/16/2013 Chicago, IL Chicago State University College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/15/2013 Hazard, KY Hazard Community and Technical College College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/15/2013 St. Louis, MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College or University Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/10/2013 Taft, CA Taft Union High School High School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
1/8/2013 Fort Myers, FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School Elementary School Attack on other persons(s) resulting in injury or death
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Thanks.

I did know about those.  Not all of them, of course.  But I knew there were lots.  They all kind of run together when you just read a long list.  It gets boring.

This thread isn't to re-ignore all those past school shootings. We ignored them before.

This thread is to ignore and celebrate new ones, one at a time, hopefully right as they happen.  I intend to update the thread each time there is a new school shooting this year.  It won't be perfect, because a lot of the time it's not widely reported.  But I'll do my best.

 
AAABatteries said:
I doubt I would ever move from the U.S. but if I did this would be one of the top reasons why.  I’m open to any and all solutions to gun violence. 
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Nothing can be done to eliminate gun violence. There's no point in doing anything other than giving everyone more guns.

 
I'll take it farther.  What if the Bill of Rights had a right allowing families the absolute control over their children's bodies (which doesn't seem that far off with these crazy "religious freedom" cases these days).  And we'd hear, every year, about tens of thousands of girls being subjected to genital mutilation.  And we'd all agree that this seems awful.  But there would be a powerful lobbying group that said, "Hey, the Founders obviously found the right to be important!"  And despite the fact that it seems that the Founders were not aware of the practice of female genital mutilation at that time, and that some Constitutional scholars believed that the right was originally intended to only mean that parents had a right to prevent the government from encroaching on the bodies of their children, that lobbying group had enough control over enough legislators that it was considered an impossibility to regulate female genital mutilation.  And even if you could, that same lobbying group had ensured that the Federal Courts were stacked with judges who would overturn such legislation anyway.

At what point would the people just rise up and say, "We don't care.  Amend the ####### Constitution if that's what it takes.  We're not going to stand for this?"

 
randall146 said:
It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.

When someone is killed we talk about what needs to change and offer thoughts and prayers but no one ever actually, you know, does anything.  Sometimes if the victims are extra young or white or pretty we think and pray even more, but really we don't care.

And far from sitting idly thinking and praying, we affirmatively support gun violence too.  We don't really petition the government to do anything.  We certainly keep electing representatives beholden to the NRA.

Sure, lots of people like to point out that other countries don't have the gun violence we have.  But we don't mind.  We're proud of our right to bear little death machines.  It's our heritage.  Besides, some people like to kill animals with the death machines even more than they like to kill people, and it would be un-####ing American to not let them do this.  Did you know that America is founded on the principle that you can do any ####ing hobby you want, even if stuff dies, and no one can take that away from you.  It's awesome.

So, having come to this realization I thought - wait a second - if we accept that gun violence is the price we pay for having legalized weapondry, isn't it a little pointless to go through feeling sad every time an innocent person gets killed by a gun?

For example, you might feel bad about this 14 year old girl who was killed in Kentucky the other day.  They've shown her school dance picture and she was young and vibrant, with a beautiful life ahead of her.  Today, in hindsight, it seems like kind of a shame that she had to be killed the other day.  It almost makes you want to think and pray.

But guess what?  Tomorrow, or maybe next week, or maybe next month, another kid will be killed in school.  Or another disgruntled worker will execute his five office-mates before turning the gun on himself.  Or a lone wolf psycho will get him some high powered assault rifles and a bump stock and slaughter dozens of people at the county fair.

And we KNOW, as we sit here today, that those 31 people mentioned in the last paragraph are going to die.  Of course we're not sure which school or office or state fair will get shot up, but one of them will.  Maybe more than one.

So we sit here doing nothing about those 31 people who's senseless violent deaths could be stopped if we just did something.  We do nothing about the hundreds of lives that will be ruinied because their family member or friend or coworker died.

If we don't care or act or think or pray for all those people that we already know are going to be slaughtered sometime in the near future, why would we care when it actually happens?  The answer, I think, is that we don't care when it actually happens.  We only pretend to care because it seems like everyone else is also pretending to care.  Like someone told a joke that you don't get but everyone else is kind of laughing so you kind of laugh too.

That's why I chose that thread title.  That's why I thought it'd be good to catalog school shootings as they happen.

Because in America, school deaths simply aren't something to be sad about.  Did the Aztecs feel thinky and prayee when slaves were ceremonially gutted and thrown down the pyramid?  No.  Dead school children are our society's sacrifice to the NRA and Second Amendment gods.  Yay shootings!  USA, USA!!
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All my likes. Forever

 
randall146 said:
It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.

When someone is killed we talk about what needs to change and offer thoughts and prayers but no one ever actually, you know, does anything.  Sometimes if the victims are extra young or white or pretty we think and pray even more, but really we don't care.

And far from sitting idly thinking and praying, we affirmatively support gun violence too.  We don't really petition the government to do anything.  We certainly keep electing representatives beholden to the NRA.

Sure, lots of people like to point out that other countries don't have the gun violence we have.  But we don't mind.  We're proud of our right to bear little death machines.  It's our heritage.  Besides, some people like to kill animals with the death machines even more than they like to kill people, and it would be un-####ing American to not let them do this.  Did you know that America is founded on the principle that you can do any ####ing hobby you want, even if stuff dies, and no one can take that away from you.  It's awesome.

So, having come to this realization I thought - wait a second - if we accept that gun violence is the price we pay for having legalized weapondry, isn't it a little pointless to go through feeling sad every time an innocent person gets killed by a gun?

For example, you might feel bad about this 14 year old girl who was killed in Kentucky the other day.  They've shown her school dance picture and she was young and vibrant, with a beautiful life ahead of her.  Today, in hindsight, it seems like kind of a shame that she had to be killed the other day.  It almost makes you want to think and pray.

But guess what?  Tomorrow, or maybe next week, or maybe next month, another kid will be killed in school.  Or another disgruntled worker will execute his five office-mates before turning the gun on himself.  Or a lone wolf psycho will get him some high powered assault rifles and a bump stock and slaughter dozens of people at the county fair.

And we KNOW, as we sit here today, that those 31 people mentioned in the last paragraph are going to die.  Of course we're not sure which school or office or fair will get shot up, but one of them will.  Probably more than one.

So we sit here doing nothing about those 31 people who's senseless violent deaths could be stopped if we just did something.  We do nothing about the hundreds of lives that will be ruined because their family member or friend or coworker died.

If we don't care or act or think or pray for all those people that we already know are going to be slaughtered sometime in the near future, why would we care when it actually happens?  The answer, I think, is that we don't care when it actually happens.  We only pretend to care because it seems like everyone else is also pretending to care.  Like someone told a joke that you don't get but everyone else is kind of laughing so you kind of laugh too.

That's why I chose that thread title.  That's why I thought it'd be good to catalog school shootings as they happen.

Because in America, school deaths simply aren't something to be sad about.  Did the Aztecs feel thinky and prayee when slaves were ceremonially gutted and thrown down the pyramid?  No.  Dead school children are our society's sacrifice to the NRA and Second Amendment gods.  Yay shootings!  USA, USA!!
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This may be the best thing i have read on the internet

 
randall146 said:
It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.

When someone is killed we talk about what needs to change and offer thoughts and prayers but no one ever actually, you know, does anything.  Sometimes if the victims are extra young or white or pretty we think and pray even more, but really we don't care.

And far from sitting idly thinking and praying, we affirmatively support gun violence too.  We don't really petition the government to do anything.  We certainly keep electing representatives beholden to the NRA.

Sure, lots of people like to point out that other countries don't have the gun violence we have.  But we don't mind.  We're proud of our right to bear little death machines.  It's our heritage.  Besides, some people like to kill animals with the death machines even more than they like to kill people, and it would be un-####ing American to not let them do this.  Did you know that America is founded on the principle that you can do any ####ing hobby you want, even if stuff dies, and no one can take that away from you.  It's awesome.

So, having come to this realization I thought - wait a second - if we accept that gun violence is the price we pay for having legalized weapondry, isn't it a little pointless to go through feeling sad every time an innocent person gets killed by a gun?

For example, you might feel bad about this 14 year old girl who was killed in Kentucky the other day.  They've shown her school dance picture and she was young and vibrant, with a beautiful life ahead of her.  Today, in hindsight, it seems like kind of a shame that she had to be killed the other day.  It almost makes you want to think and pray.

But guess what?  Tomorrow, or maybe next week, or maybe next month, another kid will be killed in school.  Or another disgruntled worker will execute his five office-mates before turning the gun on himself.  Or a lone wolf psycho will get him some high powered assault rifles and a bump stock and slaughter dozens of people at the county fair.

And we KNOW, as we sit here today, that those 31 people mentioned in the last paragraph are going to die.  Of course we're not sure which school or office or fair will get shot up, but one of them will.  Probably more than one.

So we sit here doing nothing about those 31 people who's senseless violent deaths could be stopped if we just did something.  We do nothing about the hundreds of lives that will be ruined because their family member or friend or coworker died.

If we don't care or act or think or pray for all those people that we already know are going to be slaughtered sometime in the near future, why would we care when it actually happens?  The answer, I think, is that we don't care when it actually happens.  We only pretend to care because it seems like everyone else is also pretending to care.  Like someone told a joke that you don't get but everyone else is kind of laughing so you kind of laugh too.

That's why I chose that thread title.  That's why I thought it'd be good to catalog school shootings as they happen.

Because in America, school deaths simply aren't something to be sad about.  Did the Aztecs feel thinky and prayee when slaves were ceremonially gutted and thrown down the pyramid?  No.  Dead school children are our society's sacrifice to the NRA and Second Amendment gods.  Yay shootings!  USA, USA!!
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I liked your post because I agree with a lot of it - but I guess I have a question for you - do you care and what are you doing about it?

I feel like I care but also feel helpless to do anything.

 
Ignoramus said:
Nothing can be done to eliminate gun violence. There's no point in doing anything other than giving everyone more guns.
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When you look at the statistics there are things that can be done to curtail gun violence, but they aren't what people want to hear, particularly on the left.  

 
AAABatteries said:
I liked your post because I agree with a lot of it - but I guess I have a question for you - do you care and what are you doing about it?

I feel like I care but also feel helpless to do anything.
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Very fair questions.

I've thought a lot about why I'm not doing anything and if there's really anything I can do.  I signed up last night for various "coalitions to end gun violence" but I don't have much hope that they will have any impact or that I will even follow through.  I will say that in my job and charitable endeavors I spend a decent amount of time counseling criminal defendants and youth about the pointlessness of gun violence, about satying positive, off drugs, etc.  So I guess that may be "doing something," but I can't say that it's ever been effective.  I've seen more than enough instances of two 18 year olds losing their lives because they fight over something ridiculously stupid like a gold chain and one shoots the other.  One dies and the other one goes to prison for life and there was no point to any of it.

So I care to the extent that I feel sad about everyone getting killed by guns, but there's honestly a part of me that is so frustrated that I feel the sentiment of my post - Basically, this is the decision that we as a society have made, or at least decided to live with.  So F' it, we're just reaping what we've sown and I shouldn't waste any emotional energy on it.

I wrote the post I wrote, and edited it for Facebook and posted it there.  That's not gonna end gun violence obviously but I do think there's some value to the idea that we should be focusing on future gun deaths more than gun deaths that just occurred.  Maybe the reason nothing ever changes is that we only think about gun violence in the wake of a tragedy, and then we spend our energy feeling bad for the victim and family, and psychoanalyzing the shooter.

I almost want to bring one of my kids to city hall or the state house and say "This is my son randall jr.  He is scheduled to be shot and killed within the next year unless you do something about it.  So let's get working on a way to make sure he lives."

 
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Interesting perspective.  I'd be interested to hear what you'd propose to do to make a dent.  Forgetting NRA pressure and 2nd amendment loyalists.  If it were up to you to make a difference, what would be your gameplan?

 
unckeyherb said:
Interesting perspective.  I'd be interested to hear what you'd propose to do to make a dent.  Forgetting NRA pressure and 2nd amendment loyalists.  If it were up to you to make a difference, what would be your gameplan?
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Gut reactions - I’d make both the manufacture and sales of new guns illegal, create a 2x original retail price buyback program, and impose a massive sin tax on ammo. 

 
We must focus 365/24/7 on Trump.  How in the world is there any time to worry about school shootings?  

 
sho nuff said:
Wat?
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Well we have comments like this:

"Meanwhile, the Tweeter in Chief is fanning the flames of a moronic conspiracy and paying no attention to Americans dying.

#MAGA "

Meanwhile 110 percent of the stories from the last year are about Trump-hating.   The excessive obsession with hating Trump is out of control and is unhealthy to them and their cause. 

 
Megaton said:
Well we have comments like this:

"Meanwhile, the Tweeter in Chief is fanning the flames of a moronic conspiracy and paying no attention to Americans dying.

#MAGA "

Meanwhile 110 percent of the stories from the last year are about Trump-hating.   The excessive obsession with hating Trump is out of control and is unhealthy to them and their cause. 
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Wat?

 
Megaton said:
Well we have comments like this:

"Meanwhile, the Tweeter in Chief is fanning the flames of a moronic conspiracy and paying no attention to Americans dying.

#MAGA "

Meanwhile 110 percent of the stories from the last year are about Trump-hating.   The excessive obsession with hating Trump is out of control and is unhealthy to them and their cause. 
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110%?  Wow...that’s a lot.

 
unckeyherb said:
Interesting perspective.  I'd be interested to hear what you'd propose to do to make a dent.  Forgetting NRA pressure and 2nd amendment loyalists.  If it were up to you to make a difference, what would be your gameplan?
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I’m with Rambling Wreck in that I’m fine a full ban on guns - I know it’s a very unpopular position but I’d be ok with it and just want them (politicians) to do something.

 
Sweet Jesus can you people stop it and stay in topic - @sho nuff can you stop engaging in something that you have to know is going to cause an argument with Jon or RW and can you two stop it too?  God you people are like ####### children - I hope I almost get banned for this because it so ####### annoying.

 
AAABatteries said:
Sweet Jesus can you people stop it and stay in topic - @sho nuff can you stop engaging in something that you have to know is going to cause an argument with Jon or RW and can you two stop it too?  God you people are like ####### children - I hope I almost get banned for this because it so ####### annoying.
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I don’t believe my post actually engaged him.

 
randall146 said:
It's TOTALLY the title of the thread.  Here's why:  Over the last year or so I finally figured out that we don't actually care about gun violence.  When I say "we" I mean everyone, generally.  But also me.  And you.  Specifically you.  Neither you, or I, or anyone else in the USA care one bit.
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its not that people don't care - in fact, its actually a good thing to have school shootings if your'e anti-gun, it it great for your agenda. I don't mean that in a bad way so much as just being brutally honest

Look, you want to stop school shootings? post 1 guard at every entry with a capable weapon and school shootings would be reduced by 95% or more. 

People don't want to do that, and so crazies go to there and shoot 'em up because why? Nobody is there to stop them, that's why.

But lets be really honest for a minute - people dying isn't a problem. We re ok with the abortion deaths, automobile deaths, overdose deaths from illegal drugs, overdose deaths from legal drugs, and other causes. Those could all be seriously reduced if society wanted it. 

They don't. They like their drugs, their fast cars, their right to have a baby killed in the womb etc.

American's like their guns too. The negative of having 300 million guns in the USA and millions of people using them is that a few thousand will be used for harm when people go crazy. IN fact, the latest trend is using automobiles as weapons.

I'm all for common sense gun control - and we have it. Right now we do. I'm all for sensible automobile control and actually we don't have that right now - it could be MUCH better and we could save tens of thousands life lives, injuries and hundreds of million in auto damages every year. 

Uhhhh... because someone decided to start one?
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So lets call this thread what it is - another attempted slight to President Trump to try and make him look bad. 

 
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Stealthycat said:
where is the thread on counting the shooting under OBAMA ?

why have one now ?
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1) I started the thread and didn’t relate it in any way to Trump. I don’t think Trump is the cause of school shootings or that he’s made them any worse.

2) There were gun control threads during the Obama administration too. He actually seemed to share in the frustration and it seems like he wanted to do something about it. 

 
President Trump should be bashed about gun violence. His endorsement of the most extreme positions of the NRA is shameful. It’s obviously not fair to blame Trump for the actual violence,  it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize his lack of effort to prevent it. 

 
Stealthycat said:
American's like their guns too. The negative of having 300 million guns in the USA and millions of people using them is that a few thousand will be used for harm when people go crazy.
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Glad to see you understood the point of the thread

Stealthycat said:
So lets call this thread what it is - another attempted slight to President Trump to try and make him look bad. 
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You’re just dead wrong on this. If that was the point I would have also looked at 2017. I didn’t, and I actually have no clue whether gun violence is up, down, or sideways under Trump as opposed to Obama. It was far too high then and it’s far too high now. 

By blaming myself and everyone else I was actually trying to strip away partisan excuses and finger pointing. 

 
timschochet said:
President Trump should be bashed about gun violence. His endorsement of the most extreme positions of the NRA is shameful. It’s obviously not fair to blame Trump for the actual violence,  it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize his lack of effort to prevent it. 
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He is getting political kickbacks from the NRA from Russia... why would he ever do anything else.  Do you completely not understand how Trumps works?

 
AAABatteries said:
Sweet Jesus can you people stop it and stay in topic - @sho nuff can you stop engaging in something that you have to know is going to cause an argument with Jon or RW and can you two stop it too?  God you people are like ####### children - I hope I almost get banned for this because it so ####### annoying.
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5 out of the first 10 posts in this thread were total political crap and you are going to call me out.  You have such a selective outrage.   :lol:  

 
BigSteelThrill said:
The President has responded... says he will be sending military weaponry into the civilian areas for local government type to use.

:tfp:  
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This has been going on for so long that Trump can't possibly be blamed. This is an ignorant comment. You're not ignorant, but Radley Balko and others have been covering the militarization of police for about four decades.  

 
rockaction said:
This has been going on for so long that Trump can't possibly be blamed. This is an ignorant comment. You're not ignorant, but Radley Balko and others have been covering the militarization of police for about four decades.  
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Trump specifically said that OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS (PRESIDENTS) DID NOT LIKE TO DO THIS. And even named Obama.

 
Stealthycat said:
So lets call this thread what it is - another attempted slight to President Trump to try and make him look bad. 
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I'll call this comment what it is - you completely missing the point. A sizable part of the country has been fed up with the lack of any real attempt to curb gun violence for a long time. The majority of Americans are for tighter regulations by a significant margin, yet nothing gets done. It isn't about Trump, even though he's doing absolutely nothing to address it. And we don't need a thread on gun violence to make that guy look bad - he does it on his own every f###ing day.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Trump specifically said that OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS (PRESIDENTS) DID NOT LIKE TO DO THIS. And even named Obama.
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Yeah, right. And we believe Trump now? Garbage on his end.  

eta* Hey, please don't take personal offense to my comment. We don't agree but I like your comments. It's just that the militarization of police has been going on for decades and has been covered by the left and libertarian press many times over.  

 
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This thread is about everyone who just shakes their head whenever there is a mass shooting and says something like "What a tragedy" or "That's so sad", and then goes about their day like nothing happened.  It's about acceptance and an unwillingness to act.  Kudos to the OP. 

 
Stealthycat said:
its not that people don't care - in fact, its actually a good thing to have school shootings if your'e anti-gun, it it great for your agenda. I don't mean that in a bad way so much as just being brutally honest

Look, you want to stop school shootings? post 1 guard at every entry with a capable weapon and school shootings would be reduced by 95% or more. 

People don't want to do that, and so crazies go to there and shoot 'em up because why? Nobody is there to stop them, that's why.

But lets be really honest for a minute - people dying isn't a problem. We re ok with the abortion deaths, automobile deaths, overdose deaths from illegal drugs, overdose deaths from legal drugs, and other causes. Those could all be seriously reduced if society wanted it. 

They don't. They like their drugs, their fast cars, their right to have a baby killed in the womb etc.

American's like their guns too. The negative of having 300 million guns in the USA and millions of people using them is that a few thousand will be used for harm when people go crazy. IN fact, the latest trend is using automobiles as weapons.

I'm all for common sense gun control - and we have it. Right now we do. I'm all for sensible automobile control and actually we don't have that right now - it could be MUCH better and we could save tens of thousands life lives, injuries and hundreds of million in auto damages every year. 

So lets call this thread what it is - another attempted slight to President Trump to try and make him look bad. 
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What a very republican way to look at it! School shootings advance my agenda so I’ll sit on my hands. 

Post an armed guard at the entrance of the school- is there only 1 door? Where will the money come from to pay for it? What does this person do, pat down every student? If not how does this stop anyone? I guess with education reform when I’m using my school voucher, I’ll be sure to pick the school that spends the most on guards. 

Forget about trump- republicans have made lax gun control a part of their platform for years. Guns=votes. Shooting in Vegas, Republican candidate decides now is a good time to give away a rifle at a rally while talking about how the left is coming for your guns. Another shooting, they say we need more people with guns out there. I for one think that more guns in the public will mean more gun fatalities but I guess if theyre shooting the bad guys then it’s ok.  I’m a good guy, but I don’t want to carry a gun around. Not only because i don’t want to have something that deadly on my person but I already have keys, wallet, cellphone, where would I put a gun? Surprised they aren’t giving a tax break if you have your ccp. 

 
Megaton said:
Well we have comments like this:

"Meanwhile, the Tweeter in Chief is fanning the flames of a moronic conspiracy and paying no attention to Americans dying.

#MAGA "

Meanwhile 110 percent of the stories from the last year are about Trump-hating.   The excessive obsession with hating Trump is out of control and is unhealthy to them and their cause. 
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But but but...this is how you treated Obama!  And I don't mean that in the way you think.  See my whataboutism is honest.  This is how you treated Obama for 8 years.  There was a literally a meeting where it was decided to oppose everything he tried to do.  Then the Muslim crap started.  Then the birther BS.  And on and on culminating in the coup of the Supreme Court.  

And it worked wonderfully.  I don't understand why the left wouldn't follow that playbook. It's brilliant.  Don't do anything.  Obstruct everything.  And then complain constantly for years.  It'll work.  Just watch.  The pendulum is going to swing back hard to the left at some point (probably when the stock market inevitably swings back) and we will start the cycle over again.  

This is just how it's going to go until it doesn't work anymore.  So don't be a little baby about it.  Just let it wash over you like an orange creamsicle.  

 
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Sooo, so far we have a couple people saying ban all guns, a couple saying arm security guards at schools and that's about it.  I don't how a ban would work, honestly.  There are so many guns in this country and even if you implemented a buy back program (not sure how you'd pay for something on that massive a scale) my guess is a majority of gun owners would not comply anyways.  

Any other thoughts that would curb this issue?

 
unckeyherb said:
Sooo, so far we have a couple people saying ban all guns, a couple saying arm security guards at schools and that's about it.  I don't how a ban would work, honestly.  There are so many guns in this country and even if you implemented a buy back program (not sure how you'd pay for something on that massive a scale) my guess is a majority of gun owners would not comply anyways.  

Any other thoughts that would curb this issue?
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Randall and others have mentioned some.  Ultimately this is one of the fundamental problems on gun control.  For every possible law or policy that people suggest that could help there’s someone on the other side who says “that won’t do any good” or “I don’t see how that helps” and then nothing gets done.  How about we start with simple things like gun registries and bump stocks?  How about going much further and banning all automatic and semi-automatic guns?

Ultimately, this is Randall’s point if we just sit here doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING then we must not really care.

Just a note that I’m not directing any of this specifically to you just replying to your comment - I have not clue what your ideas are.

 
unckeyherb said:
Sooo, so far we have a couple people saying ban all guns, a couple saying arm security guards at schools and that's about it.  I don't how a ban would work, honestly.  There are so many guns in this country and even if you implemented a buy back program (not sure how you'd pay for something on that massive a scale) my guess is a majority of gun owners would not comply anyways.  

Any other thoughts that would curb this issue?
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My thinking is that combining a buy-back with prohibition on any NEW guns would mean the value of OLD guns would increase. Current owners would therefore value their guns more and be more careful with them. They’d be locked up tighter so kids couldn’t get them. They’d get too cost prohibitive for criminals. 

The cost of a buy back would be minor compared to the savings from fewer massacres, and the military could use any guns bought back. 

And making ammo super expensive would also encourage people not to waste ammo

I think my plan addresses all of your concerns. 

Also, I don’t think the constitution guarantees the right to bear the newest latest and greatest arms, so my plan might be arguably constitutional. 

 
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