Did you report my post? I await my banBeing in the political forum doesn’t give one permission to act like a jackass
Correct.By the time the proper amount of time to allow grieving has passed, the next mass shooting will already have taken place. Thus there’s NEVER a proper time for discussion of our gun problem.
"it may be empirically proven but that's not real proof"Correct.
Daily mail said there was a manifestoNot sure if true, but the guy may have posted a manifesto about the influx of illegal aliens.
You wrote “Thanks Donald”. I’m as big a critic of our President as anyone here but that’s terrible. We don’t know what this guy’s motivations were. And suppose he is a huge Trump fan and wanted to kill as many Hispanics as he could find? Even then what you wrote would still be terrible, beyond the pale. It’s the sort of crap that Trump himself pulls all the time.I haven’t seen anyone not taking the shooting seriously. I think that people who are commenting on the shooting are (like me) sick of the intractability of people who can force any changes.
1. The NRAAmerica has always had guns, I don’t understand why this has mostly started happening since the late 90s and why it’s gotten worse and worse and more frequent.
You think that trumps focus on immigration, and the presidency’s ability to draw focus to pet issues, plays no part in the rabid anti-immigrant fervor in parts of America?You wrote “Thanks Donald”. I’m as big a critic of our President as anyone here but that’s terrible. We don’t know what this guy’s motivations were. And suppose he is a huge Trump fan and wanted to kill as many Hispanics as he could find? Even then what you wrote would still be terrible, beyond the pale. It’s the sort of crap that Trump himself pulls all the time.
Its posted on twitter.Daily mail said there was a manifesto
Separate issue. We should absolutely discuss gun availability right NOW. We should absolutely discuss the guys motives as soon as they’re confirmed.Correct.
Why don't we try some changes to put "nothing works" to a test. We are proveing "doing nothing " isn't working.Same old rehashing and nothing changes, see everyone here in a week or so.
Oh stop. Why is he immune from criticism when he routinely stirs and encourages violence, when he targets a particular group that is subsequently targeted, when he minimizes right wing violence (good people on both sides).You wrote “Thanks Donald”. I’m as big a critic of our President as anyone here but that’s terrible. We don’t know what this guy’s motivations were. And suppose he is a huge Trump fan and wanted to kill as many Hispanics as he could find? Even then what you wrote would still be terrible, beyond the pale. It’s the sort of crap that Trump himself pulls all the time.
I’m willing to delete my post if you can show me how trumps fomenting of immigrant hatred is an unreasonable thing to bring to the discussion.You wrote “Thanks Donald”. I’m as big a critic of our President as anyone here but that’s terrible. We don’t know what this guy’s motivations were. And suppose he is a huge Trump fan and wanted to kill as many Hispanics as he could find? Even then what you wrote would still be terrible, beyond the pale. It’s the sort of crap that Trump himself pulls all the time.
Honestly I think he reflects it more than he spreads it.You think that trumps focus on immigration, and the presidency’s ability to draw focus to pet issues, plays no part in the rabid anti-immigrant fervor in parts of America?
Don't delete it, please.I’m willing to delete my post if you can show me how trumps fomenting of immigrant hatred is an unreasonable thing to bring to the discussion.
Sorry. I believe the president owns responsibility for the implications in his words. It’s part of leadership.Honestly I think he reflects it more than he spreads it.
But that’s not the point. Unless Trump is going around saying “Go kill immigrants!”, he’s not responsible for this.
Donald Trump should not be immune from criticism. But he is not to blame for some madman. Sorry but I don’t view things that way.Oh stop. Why is he immune from criticism when he routinely stirs and encourages violence, when he targets a particular group that is subsequently targeted, when he minimizes right wing violence (good people on both sides).
Right wing lone wolf domestic terrorism is the biggest threat to the country yet the Vile One is floating labeling antifa a terrorist group with not a word said about the real threat. You don’t get to poke the hornets nest and then escape blame for poking it.
Are you just talking propagation of guns, or also the desire to use them against fellow humans? There seems to be something horribly compulsive in what is going on, it reminds me of the situation with the lone wolves of AQ/Isis.1. The NRA
2. The prison industrial complex
This is ridiculous milquetoast nonsense.Separate issue. We should absolutely discuss gun availability right NOW. We should absolutely discuss the guys motives as soon as they’re confirmed.
But stuff like “Thanks Donald” is NEVER acceptable. It’s ugly, as hate filled as the stuff he peddles.
Add something to a conversation. Sometime.Don't delete it, please.
It's you.
I thought you said the AR15 is the deadliest? At least you've adjusted your stance to understand that their are many guns that are as effective as the AR15. If reports hold true, the last two shootings were carried out with AK's.If I wanted to kill a lot of people in a short period of time, I would use an assault rifle. Not a knife, not a handgun, not a shotgun.
I’ve never understood why these weapons are legal. It seems pretty simple to me that they should not be.
Not this soon, while people are fighting for their lives.Add something to a conversation. Sometime.
I've had a lot of discussions in the last 2 years. It's only when there is a mass shooting that many of you show your faces here.By the time the proper amount of time to allow grieving has passed, the next mass shooting will already have taken place. Thus there’s NEVER a proper time for discussion of our gun problem.
My understanding is that the AR15 is the most popular.I thought you said the AR15 is the deadliest? At least you've adjusted your stance to understand that their are many guns that are as effective as the AR15. If reports hold true, the last two shootings were carried out with AK's.
So Dallas was on Obama?Sorry. I believe the president owns responsibility for the implications in his words. It’s part of leadership.
Do you put any blame on: internet, social media, news coverage?1. The NRA
2. The prison industrial complex
I agreed with you before but not about this part. It’s perfectly fine to have a conversation here about guns, about the motivation.Not this soon, while people are fighting for the lives.
Thanks, TimI agreed with you before but not about this part. It’s perfectly fine to have a conversation here about guns, about the motivation.
This is what I said “correct” to, Evelyn Wood.Separate issue. We should absolutely discuss gun availability right NOW. We should absolutely discuss the guys motives as soon as they’re confirmed.
But stuff like “Thanks Donald” is NEVER acceptable. It’s ugly, as hate filled as the stuff he peddles.
President calls Mexicans “rapists, murderers, drug dealers, criminals, bad hombres”, makes illegal immigration and appeals to white nationalism the centerpiece of his admin.Donald Trump should not be immune from criticism. But he is not to blame for some madman. Sorry but I don’t view things that way.
Care to unpack the bolded?My understanding is that the AR15 is the most popular.
I don’t care. I want all semi-automatic rifles banned.
There are a ton of reasons. But the ending of mental health funding and rise of prisons as the #1 mental health provider in the US is a big piece.Are you just talking propagation of guns, or also the desire to use them against fellow humans? There seems to be something horribly compulsive in what is going on, it reminds me of the situation with the lone wolves of AQ/Isis.
But that post was in response to identikit’s valid complaint about ugly posts.This is what I said “correct” to, Evelyn Wood.
”By the time the proper amount of time to allow grieving has passed, the next mass shooting will already have taken place. Thus there’s NEVER a proper time for discussion of our gun problem.”
No.Care to unpack the bolded?
A shore time ago, you wanted AR15's banned because they had been used in some of the deadliest mass shootings. Now you want to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Do you have any other qualifiers? (magazine capacity, pistol grip stock, collapsible stock, etc)
Many liberals have made some terrible statements about Trump. It doesn't justify if someone was to react with violence towards Trump.President calls Mexicans “rapists, murderers, drug dealers, criminals, bad hombres”, makes illegal immigration and appeals to white nationalism the centerpiece of his admin.
I wonder what might happen? But he’s not to blame. Gotcha.
No, you don't want to unpack, or no you don't have any qualifiers?
Tim, you feel trump owns no responsibility for stoking immigrant tensions? Or do you feel that he owns responsibility for stoking tensions but not the actions taken due to those tensions?Sorry. I believe the president owns responsibility for the implications in his words. It’s part of leadership.
Many liberals have made some terrible statements about Trump. It doesn't justify if someone was to react with violence towards Trump.
People control their own actions. Blaming anyone else is just looking for excuses.
News coverage for sure. Internet/social media are roughly as responsible for this as for Trump’s election, so... yeah, some. But not as much as (in Trump’s case) voters and the GOP and (in this case) the NRA and prison industrial complex.Do you put any blame on: internet, social media, news coverage?
Perhaps those tensions were there all along. But those people were never represented.Tim, you feel trump owns no responsibility for stoking immigrant tensions? Or do you feel that he owns responsibility for stoking tensions but not the actions taken due to those tensions?
Do you ignore the power of leadership in driving behaviors that otherwise would be unthinkable?Many liberals have made some terrible statements about Trump. It doesn't justify if someone was to react with violence towards Trump.
People control their own actions. Blaming anyone else is just looking for excuses.
What are you even talking about? Nobody has said it would be justified. Of course people control their own actions. People can, and are, still heavily influenced. I have no idea what your point even is.Many liberals have made some terrible statements about Trump. It doesn't justify if someone was to react with violence towards Trump.
People control their own actions. Blaming anyone else is just looking for excuses.
That is changing.News coverage for sure. Internet/social media are roughly as responsible for this as for Trump’s election, so... yeah, some. But not as much as (in Trump’s case) voters and the GOP and (in this case) the NRA and prison industrial complex.
Perhaps. Maybe trump validating their feelings was really what was needed.Perhaps those tensions were there all along. But those people were never represented.