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you get a C- for your effort here.ignore the pac 10 games.
college db's do not equal nfl db'sjarrett never got pressed at the line like he will be getting pressed in the NFL.
so now you've gone from "undersized undertalented pac 10 dbs" to "all college dbs" to support your argument.
Guess who was on Jarrett in the Arkansas game? Press covered him all game... that's Jarrett's "risk".Oops ETA: Houston was covering Jarrett
so now you've gone from "undersized undertalented pac 10 dbs" to "all college dbs" to support your argument.
just trying to keep up here.
we all know college stats translate to nfl success. jj stokes was a stud.
to be fair that was booty's first game and USC went very conservative. you need to actually see the game to understand the context of those stats.USC ran the ball and dominated Arkansas playing it very safe and thus didn't utilize jarrett as much.
I agree, and, btw thanks for the bashing... I did see excerpts from the game in a series breaking down Jarrett's game tape.Just simply a point that Houston was jamming him at the line, and Jarrett had a rough time getting separation.. if you watch the reply (they played frequently on NFLN), he struggles with it against Houston. That, however, is the only game I've seen a corner jam him at the line, so it's really not a large enough sample size.to be fair that was booty's first game and USC went very conservative. you need to actually see the game to understand the context of those stats.USC ran the ball and dominated Arkansas playing it very safe and thus didn't utilize jarrett as much.
for the record i am not even saying jarrett will be a stud in the nfl, but some of the arguments against are just plain ignorant here.
I'll second that. I go more by what I see watching the games than workout numbers for all players. Obviously numbers matter as a gauge, but they can be misleading. The same way that just looking at a person's SAT score can be misleading regarding a person's ability to succeed on the job. Maybe there's some other reason for Jarrett's slow 40 time? Perhaps he's not good at olympic style sprinting? Maybe he plays faster in pads? All I know is that from the games I've watched, Jarrett seemed fast enough to be an above average WR in the NFL. Much like anything else in life, it will be very important to judge his work ethic. If he wants it bad enough, I think this kid will do well at the next level.EBF said:
I'll second that. I go more by what I see watching the games than workout numbers for all players. Obviously numbers matter as a gauge, but they can be misleading. The same way that just looking at a person's SAT score can be misleading regarding a person's ability to succeed on the job. Maybe there's some other reason for Jarrett's slow 40 time? Perhaps he's not good at olympic style sprinting? Maybe he plays faster in pads? All I know is that from the games I've watched, Jarrett seemed fast enough to be an above average WR in the NFL. Much like anything else in life, it will be very important to judge his work ethic. If he wants it bad enough, I think this kid will do well at the next level.EBF said:
I'm really on the fence with this guy but am leaning in his favor as of now. I don't think its fair to judge him on his 40. Unless its verrry slow. What is too slow? Keyshawn ran a clearly slower 40: 4.69. He went on to put up 10,500 yards in 11 seasons and missed 9 games. Thats pretty good. Jarrett ran two seperate 40s better than that and has been known for his quickness.What are some examples of guys who ran "slow" (mid-4.6), were top tier in college and busted? Someone mentioned JJ Stokes? He ran 4.77.
BMW? 4.56 and completely different situation. Took a year off and drafted by Lions. Can't get much worse than that. 
UCLA used a lot of plays to cause mismatches for Stokes. He didn't run the greatest routes but getting him favorable matchups and in the open field was all he needed. I see some similarites here with Jarrett and also BWM and how USC was able to do the same. Carroll runs some awesome plays and I don't know if there is a coach in college football who is better at finding ways to exploit his guys strengths and hide their weaknesses than him.That first TD was a perfectly designed play and sold by Smith drawing coverage away from Jarrett and giving him the open inside lane. I wouldn't call it a great route on Jarrett's part. That play busted up the zone coverage and caused Jarrett to be covered by Ndukwe who was 15 yards off of him at the start of the play. Come on now, Ndukwe? This guy probably won't even be a FA pick up.
at Ndukwe looking lost on that play in the slow motion replay.
It seems pretty clear that you've already made up your mind on this one and are looking for any reason to justify your stance. You're obsessing over his flaws without acknowledging his strengths. Yea, he's not especially fast, but he's tall, he has great hands, he can snare the ball out of the air, and he looks pretty quick for his size.
It's seems clear to me that I'm asking for help here and want to see some game tape of him beating press coverage and working hard to get off the line. I didn't watch every USC game so that's why I'm asking. I'm not going to make a judgement on someone based on what I read from others. I'm going to make it based on what I've seen and I haven't seen Jarrett beat press coverage or be forced to work hard to get off the line. It's a major concern I have for Jarrett and before I believe him to be worthy of a 1st round pick I need to have some reassuring. I'm not hating him on his other talents. I gave him credit where it was due with the out of bounds catch and the 3rd TD he broke away on. I've also never knocked his ability to grab a ball out of the air. That 2nd TD I gave him props and said he gets that TD 99.9% of the time. If that's not praising some of his talents then I don't know what it is.
Just what makes you think he can't beat press coverage? Just because we can't find something on youtube? Can you show me all the top 5-10 WR prospects beating press coverage?His 40 time is better than KJohnson, Jimmy Smith, Michael Irvin, Rod Smith, and the list goes on. I agree that when its bad you need to start wondering, but 4.6 range is hardly enough to say he can't get off the line. With his long arms and frame, IMO, it'd be hard to keep him on the line. Especially when many say he is very quick, which could make up for 40-time.
Good point and no I can't for every top 10 prospects but I'm not going to eliminate that risk just because someone says so. 1st round WR's are far from a sure thing and it's not rare for these big WR's to struggle with getting off the line fast enough. 4.62 and 4.67 is not horrible but that's from starting off in a track position on a fast field that he's trained for the past couple of months. What are his other speed and agility numbers?
Tood knows.
In other words, I'd like him to be a Viking. Just not at 1.07.Can you picture the Vikings faithful if the team selected Adrian Peterson in the 1st and Jarrett in the 2nd. I would so totally wet myself.Borderline. If I were advising teams, I'd say don't take him before the 9th pick in the 2nd round.
it was the right move and you saved yourself a wetting...
In other words, I'd like him to be a Viking. Just not at 1.07.Can you picture the Vikings faithful if the team selected Adrian Peterson in the 1st and Jarrett in the 2nd. I would so totally wet myself.Borderline. If I were advising teams, I'd say don't take him before the 9th pick in the 2nd round.
it was the right move and you saved yourself a wetting...
I forgot about that. They made the right choice and the drafting of Peterson/Rice has me, uh, well... excited. 
keeping up ok?so now you've gone from "undersized undertalented pac 10 dbs" to "all college dbs" to support your argument.
just trying to keep up here.
The GM should get some blame . If you want to be a tough running football team , I'm thinking a good offensive line would be a priority . The games I watched last year there was little to no protection for the QB and the backs were getting hit before they got out of the backfield. I think they would have been better off going O-line instead of Stewart .
