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A player's relative value differs in every league. It's primarily a function of your scoring system but also involves some idea of how your league under/over values one position over another.You should look at your scoring system to get raw numbers for the #1 player, worst #1 starter (i.e. #12 LB in a start 3 LB 12 team league) and worst overall starter (i.e. #36 LB in a start 3 LB 12 team league) to see if there are any major discrepancies among your league's scoring system.
Tick's right. Experienced players will differ on where to grab an IDP in a dynasty format, especially in the initial startup draft.I'm of the opposite opinion. If you can get more than your share of stud IDPs who've shown some "staying power" already in their youth, you're well ahead of the rest of the league. And it's precisely because of the lack of staying power in the middle-lower ranks of starting quality players.
Strange set-up (and I don't like it for what it's worth). With no information on the scoring system, roster size, ect. I'd say add 4-6 rounds to the offensive end. 1st round idp would equal somewhere between a 5th and 7th in the offensive draft. Heavily depends on leaguemates and scoring system though as others have said.
It's funny how people go in different directions with the same information... I'd say that waiting on IDPs is actually better to do if you're comfortable in your IDP knowledge. If you're not sure who's good, just try to grab Vilma, Peppers, and AWilson fairly early so you don't have to worry about it. However, if you think you've got an advantage in IDP knowledge, wait a bit and pick up the guys who fall through the cracks.I guess I just think that overall, IDP knowledge is lacking in most leagues, so you're more likely to have a good guy defensive player slip through the cracks, whereas on offense, everyone's got a good feel for the value of most of the guys in the league, so you won't get as many bargains late. On offense, you're hoping that you're right about a player that everyone else has written off - maybe you think Najeh Davenport will be a starter this season, or that David Terrell will actually do something, because the guys like Matt Jones or Chris Perry are long gone. On the IDP side, you might get Michael Lewis and Will Witherspoon late, just because people don't know about how their roles are changing or don't know how defensive schemes affect scoring.
This is how I feel and why I was wondering if I should look to get the Willson, Vilma, Peppers group or wait a little and see who I can grab, but because of the way our draft is there will have to be trading involved to grab those players and that means trading offensive picks. It is a new world in IDP and a very interesting one.
It doesn't have a lot to do with, it has everything to do with it.Great advice here and something to consider. Aaronur, study the ADP information from recently completed Zealots drafts. If you can identify guys on defense that might not have BIG names but put up numbers better than their peers, then you will be off to a great start.If you can study or grasp basic understandings of the different schemes and how positions are defined in said schemes, then you will have a field day during your draft.
I could read WhoDat's stuff all day. The bolded portion is the key to getting over in IDP leagues (redraft/dynasty/whatever).I like to do both. You need to be really comfortable in your IDP knowledge and sure you will be able to pick a couple of fat grapes off the vine later to try this in a startup dynasty draft.In most of mine (which all have fairly "standard" set-ups and scoring systems) you're usually looking at a full "level" drop when trying to trade d for o. Stud for Starter, Starter for Spot Starter, Spot Starter for Prospect, Prospect for Project, ect.
Absolutely! Alot of people undervalue IDP's, but you have to make sure your scoring system gives then due credit in points and amount of starters. The above works best when you field 11 IDP's each week. For redraft leagues, people catch on though and once someone selects some top IDP a run starts and it is like a typical positional run scenario. So over time good owners will adapt and the above strategy won't be as effective. In a dynasty league initial draft though, using the above will get you a rocking team so long as you pick the right IDP studs.
Rovers you do make some very good points but lets toss out a 4th round RB from last yr lets say ummm a type like Tatum Bell(i think is ADP was in the vicinity of round 4 last yr) well if you had to take Bell vs top 3 LB I am taking the top 3 LB at about every chance i get...of course a ton is based on how your 1st 2 rounds go and if you can secure a solid 1/2 at RB you can go WR LB LB or something along those lines and never miss a beat...but RB will always be king its just how it isand last yr I was able to win a league(you were a part of that league to rovers)
It also, of course has to do with drafting the right D.Last year I was able to draft Vilma, Edwards, Tatupu, Adrian Wilson, and Charles Tillman in one dynasty IDP league (unfortunetly traded Edwards) my D was among the best in the league and it helped carry my to a top 3 finish (20 teamer), if however, I had taken Peppers, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, etc. who were pretty equal on my list at the time, I would have been sunk.
yep very very true...i actually had Ray Ray taken in front of me last yr and it changed my draft strategy for the better...i also was at a crossroads last yr with which recvr to pick in a dynasty draft
Scoring systems vary and can really impact an IDPs value relative to the offensive players...at 1.6 I am contemplating taking Hawk if i dont find any suitors to deal down with
Bottom line is that every league is different and you have to adjust your strategy accordingly. If you can start 3RB then you most definitely need to go RB/RB/RB or RB/RB/WR/RB in the first few rounds. But you can still address your defense early and get 3 stud LB's before everyone else. Then like it was stated before... when the other teams are going after their LB's you will be taking the creme of the crop DE's and DB's. It's a strategy that keeps you ahead of the curve in exchange for less quality depth on offense. But if you draft the "right studs" your team will put up consistent points on offense and defense and should easily make the playoffs.Like I said before... most people are in love with Offense. Use this to your advantage and acquire the best overall starting lineup.
In the leagues that Keg and I are in, as he said, the IDP scoring is pretty aggressive...... I expect to see Hawk go at 1.5 or 1.6 in both of our dynatsy leagues. In one of those leagues, we have to start 3 DL's..... that pushes a guy like Mario Williams up the board too. It's about outscoring your opponent. Three really stud DE's against a team with three mediocre DL's can give you a ten point (or more) scoring advantage right off the bat. Picking at nine (in one league) M Williams may be my pick, depending on what situation he gets drafted into.
In IDP redrafts, sure..... but I think the majority of IDP leagues are dynasty leagues. I took Vilma in a redraft in the fourth round last year, and that was the best pick in my entire draft. He scored over 350 points in that scoring system! Right there with Tomlinson and Alexander. That is the exception to the rule, however. This year, with the Jets most likely playing more 3-4 than 4-3, I wouldn't take him anywhere near that high. Here's an off the wall question.... why don't any IDP leagues have any scoring or roster requirements for a .... punter? I think that would be interesting. 1 point for a punt inside the 20, 1.5 inside the 10. Maybe 2 for inside the five? Just a random thought.....
I hate it when people make end all and be all statements like your "IDP players before round 6 is a sucker pick." there are so many different strategies that a person can utilize and taking IDPs prior to round 6 is one of them and one that can work...most people would say you cant win going WR WR to start a draft but that strategy can also work...just as RB WR or WR RB or taking IDPs prior to round 6...if you would like any examples of where and how those strategies work just ask and i will supply the info...drafting imo is an art form with a hint of luck(you just never know who is going to get injured)but i guess my main point is that i hate end all and be all statements that arent
Ok let me rephrase. IDP picks before round 6 are for people that have no IDP knowledge outside the top 20 at each position. IDP is 2 to 3 times deeper than offensive skill positions, and if you dont agree with that, then you validated my point. How many leagues have you won using this strategy. Id bet very few, if just that one.I dont care what you hate, its my opinion its a flawed draft strategy, that rarely works. If it worked for you once, great. But Id bet you havent had as much success as Ive had drafting defense after round 6, after I secured my offense, then hitting offense depth again, while you are drafting starters in the teen rounds.
Never been banned here. And you definately do not know me. Pissing match. You gave your opinion, I gave mine, then said you hated mine. How do you figure Im looking for a pissing match. Looks like the opposite from where Im sitting.
then you have my appologies....i took you saying "IDP...sucker pick" as a end all and be all statement...its your opinion and that is fine...i did think you were a certain person banned here that has been giving me #### at another site but in re-reading everything you have written you couldn't possibly be him as you have a firm grip on the english language...but fwiw I still dont agree with your assessment but thats what makes FF interesting
Well, you could learn how to use a coma. But who is complaining, right?
