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Question #1 will obviously be whether GB addresses the running back position this offseason with the departure of AG.. I'm sure they will either a veteran (Travis Henry type) or somebody in the draft..

Question #2 is Morency good enough to beat out said running back.

Question #3 if he is, can he stay on the field

His #'s last year were fairly impressive in his limited opportunities

His better game included

week 4 against the eagles

23/99 plus 26 receiving

week 8 against Arizona

11/101

Week 14 against SanFran

7/69

Week 15 against the Lions

7/54/2 TD;s

his season totals were 96/434/2 plus 118 receiving yards.. Nothing to sneeze at but also nothing to mkae you jump for joy yet either.

what says you?

 
Difficult to get your hopes too high on a guy traded for Samkon Gado and who couldn't definitively beat out Wali Lundy.

Ron Dayne anyone?

 
Aww, wheat the heck. I'll jump on the band wagon. I think he can hold off any rookie excluding AD for at least this year. As to the vet they sign, it depends on who they would bring in. Why not Morency in 07. Im drinking the cool aid.

 
I thought he was pretty good in his limited time with Houston. I'm not sure what brought him out of favor with the new Texans regime, but the guy showed he has skills.

Whether the Packers brass view him as a 20-carry guy, however, remains to be seen based upon their subsequent moves.

 
If Otis had started this thread I'd be excited. :goodposting:

I don't know...I picked him up for a song and dance mid-season in my dynasty hoping this might happen, but there just doesn't seem to be any buzz around the guy. There certainly seems to be some critical discussion about him not being an 'every down' back, but frankly I don't know what people are basing this around given how little we've seen of him.

He's young....drafted in the 3rd round so he's got some perceived upside if he was taken that high.

When he and Samkon Gado were exchanged Gado's value was higher after having done a great job filling in for Green the previous season.

I think all signs point to his value being higher than a lot of people THINK it is.

 
Vernand Morency-RB-Packers Mar. 5 - 11:24 am et

Vernand Morency could have a bigger role in 2007 following Ahman Green's departure.

The Packers are still expected to sign or draft a "lead" back to pair with Morency, but it could be a running back by committee. Morency should surprisingly explosive skills as a third-down back last season.

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette

 
He also was the Texans most talented rb in years....but the new guys thought he dances too much and didnt fit there one cut scheme.

And this after he had a great preseason rusing for 100yrds like it was easy.

He's one of my best values around since most dont think he will be nothing....give someone a 4th rounder for him and be done with it.

 
04 college stats when splitting with tater bell.

(shows he can carry the load)

| 04/09/04 | | 29 261 2 | |

| 04/09/11 | | 29 184 1 | |

| 04/09/18 | | 18 116 1 | |

| 04/10/02 | | 28 143 2 | 1 3 |

| 04/10/09 | | 27 165 2 | |

| 04/10/16 | | 28 111 1 | |

| 04/10/23 | | 31 173 | |

| 04/10/30 | | 17 93 2 | 1 17 |

| 04/11/06 | | 20 100 1 | 2 76 1 |

| 04/11/27 | | 23 108 | 1 5 |

| 04/12/29 | | 8 20 |

Those whom have actually see this guy play knows his upside. looking from the outside is i guess looking at it blind.

I liked him more with Green there, cause of Green's age and injury history now if they bring in a 1st round rook or young proven guy he will have to beat them out or wait till its his turn.

 
There does not seem to be a shortage of RBs that are still available either as free agents or through the draft. There's a long way between now and September and I doubt the Packers will hand the reins over to Morency without bringing in another RB.

 
There does not seem to be a shortage of RBs that are still available either as free agents or through the draft. There's a long way between now and September and I doubt the Packers will hand the reins over to Morency without bringing in another RB.
me too. They will bring in someone like C.Brown/Rhodes/Henry or draft Lynch. And to be honest i like him in a rbbc with those guys.
 
As a Morency owner I'd love to see it.

As a GB fan, he's showed potential but I'm not sure if he's an full time back.

As a football fan, do I think they'll give him the reigns? No.

 
If Otis had started this thread I'd be excited. :angry:

I don't know...I picked him up for a song and dance mid-season in my dynasty hoping this might happen, but there just doesn't seem to be any buzz around the guy. There certainly seems to be some critical discussion about him not being an 'every down' back, but frankly I don't know what people are basing this around given how little we've seen of him.

He's young....drafted in the 3rd round so he's got some perceived upside if he was taken that high.

When he and Samkon Gado were exchanged Gado's value was higher after having done a great job filling in for Green the previous season.

I think all signs point to his value being higher than a lot of people THINK it is.
Depends what you consider young. He's 27. He played minor league baseball for 4 seasons before going to college.To me it looked like he has what it takes to be a starter. If they draft Lynch, it doesn't neccessarily mean that Morency is 2nd string, at least at the start of the season.

 
With the rb's left and the money being thrown around, I think the Packers are going to sit tight and try and get a "deal" on one of the remaining free agents. Even with the current rb situation in GB, it would not shock me if they passed on Lynch in the draft if he were there. I could see them signing Brown and drafting a rb like Irons in the 2nd or the kid out of Nebraska in the 3rd.

 
Morency is too injury prone.

I'm holding out hope that they barter for Michael Turner.

yes, I'm :tfp:

 
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We can put Morency in the sleeper category up until the time the Packers draft Marshawn Lynch.

 
He also was the Texans most talented rb in years....but the new guys thought he dances too much and didnt fit there one cut scheme. And this after he had a great preseason rusing for 100yrds like it was easy. He's one of my best values around since most dont think he will be nothing....give someone a 4th rounder for him and be done with it.
GB runs the one cut scheme also.
 
Yes, I am totally sure he'd be ahead of Herron. Don't ask me why, but I know thisssssssss.....man.

Morency is 'young' in terms of football miles. He may be 27 but he's an entirely different sort of 27 than Jamal Lewis who has had his body POUNDED and put a lot of miles on those legs.

With Thomas Jones having gone to the Jets, Lamont Jordon staying in Oakland, and Travis Henry having signed with the Broncos, I think they end up taking a rook like Irons (you think Lynch will fall to them? I think he's this year's Maroney - every down back who can pound) and it's RBBC this coming year.

 
Are we sure he'd be in front of Noah Herron?
When Ahman missed the Monday nighter against Philly, Morency got the start, went 26/99 with 6 receptions. He got the start the next week and seemed to be a focal point of the offense early until he lost a costly fumble. From that point, he rode the pine as Herron got the bulk of the carries. The next week Ahman started.I believe the coaching staff was sending the newcomer a message about holding onto the ball. The rest of the year he was Ahman's primary backup and showed flashes. Furthermore, he didn't lose a fumble the rest of the year. If they had to, I think GB could roll with Morency as their primary ball carrier. They will add another RB but I see Morency as a 225-250 carry guy with 40-50 receptions in the GB offense.
 
Count me in on this bandwagon.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Morency will take advantage of this situation.

Could be the RB surprise this season. And I'm all for it. There's a reason Thompson traded for him. Maybe he's always had his eye on him and when Gado flashed it gave him the opportunity to get him at a very low cost. Remember, the Packers got Ahman Green for basically nothing and no one in Packerland ever thought he'd take over for Levens at that time.

 
I agree with Bird about the fumbling in that game last year. He seemed to really be on track up until that point. While I do think they will bring in another back, I think Morency will at least be given a chance to be the guy. Much will depend on their 1st round pick. If it is a RB, then that means they want that RB to be the eventual starter.

 
I dont know if I think he'll be a GREAT RB but watching him run last year, I said several times to myself, Wow, he's FAST. I mean like, really really fast. I was seriously intrigued watching him run, and if he is given a shot at the full time starting gig, I would not hesitate to draft him in the early teens like RB12 or so. But again, alot has to happen before that comes to fruition.

 
Question #1 will obviously be whether GB addresses the running back position this offseason with the departure of AG.. I'm sure they will either a veteran (Travis Henry type) or somebody in the draft..Question #2 is Morency good enough to beat out said running back.Question #3 if he is, can he stay on the fieldHis #'s last year were fairly impressive in his limited opportunitiesHis better game includedweek 4 against the eagles23/99 plus 26 receivingweek 8 against Arizona11/101Week 14 against SanFran7/69Week 15 against the Lions7/54/2 TD;shis season totals were 96/434/2 plus 118 receiving yards.. Nothing to sneeze at but also nothing to mkae you jump for joy yet either.what says you?
Eagles=8th easiest to score FF points against for Rbs in 2006Cards=11th easiest to score FF points against for RBs in 2006SF=2nd easiest to score FF points against for RBs in 2006Detroit=7th easiest to score FF points against for RBs in 2006Reminds me of Kevin Jones tearing it up 3 years ago vs. the worst 6 D' teams in the league.Morency seems really fitr for a solid 3rd down role, the Packers HAVE to get someone who is a primary ball carrier. Any chance Duece McAllister becomes available??
 
Morency showed alot of great moves last year, was unbelievable in the Miami game. He had a 35 yard run where he left several defenders looking for thier jocks. The Packers dont think he can be an every down back, but I dont think many people thought Thomas Jones could be either. I'd like to see him get his shot. Dont be fooled just because he was traded for Gado, they are totally different backs and both teams needed what they got. I do think at best they will RBBC unless there are injuries.

 
Sounds like Thompson is OK with who they have even if the GB media isn't

Thompson sees no setback

GM isn't uncomfortable with loss of Green

By TOM SILVERSTEIN

tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com

Posted: March 5, 2007

It may turn out that the Green Bay Packers were the smart ones with regard to running back Ahman Green.

Ahman Green is all smiles after agreeing to a contract with the Houston Texans.

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Thompson: GM sees no setback

But they won't know that until the 2007 season is over.

Right now, they face two questions that must be answered: Should they have raised their offer in order to retain Green; and, who replaces him in the backfield?

General manager Ted Thompson did not characterize Green's loss as a major setback for the Packers, but he made it clear he did want the 30-year-old running back on his roster. The Packers set a price for Green and tried to get him to take it before free agency started, but it turned out to be much lower than the four-year, $23 million deal the Houston Texans offered Sunday.

Thompson said he's perfectly comfortable with Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, P.J. Pope and Arliss Beach and didn't feel compelled to make a major move. But he said he would consider signing a veteran.

But, letting Green get to the open market sealed the Packers' fate because with most of the league swimming in cap space, it was almost guaranteed Green would get a better offer. The Packers continued to negotiate with Green up until the time he agreed to terms Sunday with the Texans, but they never met his price.

"I don't know if you ever know," Thompson said Monday when asked if he had done the right thing. "I think with many things you have discussions and evaluations and - and we do this with everything we put our hands on, good or disappointing - have a self-evaluation. And we'll do that.

"We made it clear that we would like to have him back and he said he would like to come back. But once free agency starts, it's a moving target. Apparently, he had a nice visit and that clinched it for him."

The money was a big factor as well.

According to Green's agent, Joby Branion, Green will receive a total of $8 million this season, including $6.5 million in bonuses, $12.5 million over two years and $18 million over three. The Packers were mostly concerned with the first year because they weren't sure how many seasons Green had left and refused to go much over $5 million.

Green gave the Packers an opportunity to match the offer, but they refused. Had they raised their offer earlier - before the start of free agency - it's possible they could have signed Green.

"They made a strong play at the end," Branion said of the Packers. "Hindsight is 20-20. Everyone was speculating what the market would be like. They held the cards prior to free agency as is the case with any team with a pending free agent. If you get that done (a deal) you don't risk having what happened."

Thompson put a value on Green and stuck with it. The Packers have $21 million in salary cap room and could have afforded to meet Green's demands, but Thompson's philosophy has been not to overpay, which in this case seemed inevitable given the market.

Asked if the Packers erred in not getting Green signed before free agency, Thompson said: "We haven't gotten there. We'll certainly go back and review and see where we might have done better. But you just do that anyway."

Branion said money wasn't the only factor in Green choosing the Texans. Former Packers coach Mike Sherman, now the Texans' offensive coordinator, convinced him the 6-10 Texans were a team on the rise.

Plus, Green liked the idea of running in Sherman's offense, which incorporates both the zone-blocking system he played in last year and the power-gap system in which he had his best seasons in Green Bay, under Sherman.

"That right there, I just felt real comfortable with it," Green said. "It was a big part of my decision. With learning the zone blocking scheme last year with (Packers coach Mike) McCarthy, and prior to that knowing what I know in terms of the power game and the counter game with coach Sherman, it's an ideal mix. It's a good little thing that I can't wait to be a part of."

The next phase for the Packers is to find a suitable replacement.

The Packers touched base with Tennessee free agent Travis Henry before he signed with Denver and have been in contact with Chris Brown, another Titans free agent.

Other options include free agents Dominic Rhodes, Corey Dillon and T.J. Duckett, trade candidates Willis McGahee of Buffalo and Tatum Bell of Detroit, and soon to be released Oakland running back Lamont Jordan.

"I don't feel we absolutely need someone," Thompson said. "Like with any other position, if we see someone who interests us, we'll pursue that."

 
Morency is the #2.

if they start the season with Morency as the feature guy then something has gone terribly wrong.

 
The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006

 
The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones Marion Barber if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006
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The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones Marion Barber if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006
Fixed
The question is, "will he go with one back as he has historically or will he use both of them?"
 
The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones Marion Barber if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006
Fixed
The question is, "will he go with one back as he has historically or will he use both of them?"
Not totally sure what you two are talking about. Norv Turner? He is in San Diego, not Dallas.
 
The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones Marion Barber if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006
Fixed
The question is, "will he go with one back as he has historically or will he use both of them?"
Not totally sure what you two are talking about. Norv Turner? He is in San Diego, not Dallas.
I didn't even pay attention to the last part of his post. I just saw JJ and fixed it.
 
The sleeper back usually catches 60+ passes. Based on that its likely Julius Jones Marion Barber if he can stay healthy.

Check the stats:

Norv Turner leaves a trail of 60+ pass sleeper backs. The last two:

Lamont Jordan - 2005

Frank Gore - 2006
Fixed
The question is, "will he go with one back as he has historically or will he use both of them?"
Not totally sure what you two are talking about. Norv Turner? He is in San Diego, not Dallas.
More importantly, W(hy)TF did this perfectly good Vernand Morency thread take a sudden turn out of nowhere into a MBIII/JJ/Norv/Whoever thread? :wub:
 
I thought the Texans were stupid for making the trade with the Pack when Morency was traded last year. He looked great in every opportunity they gave him during the preseason. I'd like to see him get a shot, but it's certainly likely that they will bring someone in.

All Hail Morency! :moneybag:

 
FWIW Jerry Rice on Late Hits stated thinks the Pack is gonna give Morency the shot at #1. Not sure what insight or info JR would possess other than his opinion but he stated the pack liked Morency and he personally liked the way he played.

Just to be out front I am a Morency owner who hopes this happens.

 
Morency, like Chris Brown if that Buffalo signing happens, looks to have some unexpectedly good value this season. Both are nice buy low candidates right about now and would appear to be ideal guys to pick up as RB2's on your roster with some good upside.

 
General manager Ted Thompson gave current first-string tailback Vernand Morency a vote of confidence at Packers FanFest on Saturday.

"I think Morency had an excellent season for not being here for any of the camps and so forth," Thompson said, likely trying to avoid showing his hand before the upcoming NFL Draft. "He did really a good job learning our scheme, and was productive when he was given an opportunity."

 
I believe Morency will split carries with a RB from the draft. How those carries are split will depend on the talent level of the rookie (i.e., whether it's Lynch in the 1st or a lower-round player), and how well the rookie picks up the nuances of the game -- blitz pickup, following his blocks in the Packer scheme, that sort of thing. It will look something like Rhodes/Addai last year in Indy IMO, although in this case it is the vet Morency who will probably do more of the receiving, with the carry split unknowable at this point.

 

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