Unless something changed in the new CBA, teams can put a player on IR any time. The only issue is that the player still counts toward the 80 man roster limit.Explained here
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Fighting Noles
Footballguy
The question was whether he'd have to clear waivers first before going on IR....The article you referenced regarding Hixon clearly states he cleared waivers before the Giants placed him on IR.
loose circuits
Footballguy
but it also says someone can be placed on IR and protected (not have to clear waivers) but he'll still count against the 80 man roster. I'm guessing that is what happened with Leshoure?
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Fighting Noles
Footballguy
I was thinking about LeShoure & this earlier today....I wish one of the NFL Rule experts on the board (there was some great imput during the CBA talks from several boardmembers on differing contract terms, etc) could pin down the exact rule.
In other words, LeShoure is clearly injured - does that make a difference? When I was trying to google this, it said some owners had forced some rule changes regarding IR because they felt some teams were simply stashing players on IR that weren't really hurt - BUT it didn't go into the exact finalized rule. I can't imagine LeShoure would have been left unprotected by the Lions (if they thought he could be claimed off Waivers in the preseason) or Ryan Williams by the Cards (assuming he lands on IR this week as well).
So what would be the difference if N.E. said Vereen had a more severe hamstring injury than was originally thought & they needed to place him on IR in the preseason?
Again, I am not saying Vereen needs to go on IR or is even hurt to any degree at all - simply questioning whether that move COULD be made by the Pats without risking a WW claim, since two newspapers & Yudkins' source have now mentioned it as least a possibility (no matter how remote)....
In other words, LeShoure is clearly injured - does that make a difference? When I was trying to google this, it said some owners had forced some rule changes regarding IR because they felt some teams were simply stashing players on IR that weren't really hurt - BUT it didn't go into the exact finalized rule. I can't imagine LeShoure would have been left unprotected by the Lions (if they thought he could be claimed off Waivers in the preseason) or Ryan Williams by the Cards (assuming he lands on IR this week as well).
So what would be the difference if N.E. said Vereen had a more severe hamstring injury than was originally thought & they needed to place him on IR in the preseason?
Again, I am not saying Vereen needs to go on IR or is even hurt to any degree at all - simply questioning whether that move COULD be made by the Pats without risking a WW claim, since two newspapers & Yudkins' source have now mentioned it as least a possibility (no matter how remote)....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If you do a Yahoo or Google search, there are any number of articles on various players indicating that PLAYER X cleared waivers and went on injured reserve. I would guess that that is a requirement, but I am not sure if that is for all IR candidates or just in the preseason. I cannot find official IR rules listed anywhere but will keep looking . . .
Fighting Noles
Footballguy
Thanks David - your work here is appreciated (especially anything Pats related)!
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Just call Roger. It'd be faster.
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Only for players who are waived/injured.
massraider
Footballguy
Guy gets hurt in camp, a scrub, but team wants to keep him around. Team cuts him while he is hurt, and he clears waivers, is re-signed, and placed on IR.I would be surprised if the PUP wasn't the first choice if Vereen isn't ready. Get 6 weeks during the season to see if the other backs are ready, and if Vereen can get healthy. Why put him on IR now if you don't have to?
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I thought PUP was not an option, due to the fact that Vereen did hit the practice field for a day. PUP, IIRC, is for non-football injuries. By practicing once and getting injured, I think Vereen doesn't qualify for PUP.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For the first part, based on what? His lineage and boyish charm? Where are you getting this from? Link?As for Price, things are a lot different this year. The Pats seem to have brought in a lot of folks that are worthy of a roster spot. There will be guys that don't make it that will be snatched up and play for other teams. If Vereen is not projected to see much action anyway, they might just put him on IR and stash him until next year. I don't think that that is the way it will play out, but it makes some semblance of sense.
Kleck
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is Vereen still ahead of Ridley at this point? I do like the upside of the back ups in New England but the facts are that BJGE and Woodhead are the starters in 2011 and I don't see that changing. Woodhead was signed to a 4 year deal last year for about half a million a season and he jumped on the contract and signed it. He loves the Pats and they love him and he's dirt cheap.
How could Vereen be as good at this point in camp as Ridley at say pass blocking for Brady on 3rd down and picking up the blitz? That is what will earn you time on the field in this offense IMO.
How could Vereen be as good at this point in camp as Ridley at say pass blocking for Brady on 3rd down and picking up the blitz? That is what will earn you time on the field in this offense IMO.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Vereen is probably a nice value pick in drafts happening this week. No ideas which one between he and Ridley is the one to target - if either of them.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
It sure sounds nice, but as far as I know, Vereen DID NOT return to practice yet and was not there today.Haynesworth was there in full pads today, but pretty sure no Vereen.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
Yes - Vereen was not on the field, based on the Patriots Football Writers blog.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Rotoworld saying Shane Vereen practiced today.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
If he is as shifty a runner as he seems to be about confusing opposing news outlets, I for one, will be happy to have him on my team.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
time to change the thread title maybe?
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Would love to...cant seem to figure out how.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Still think there's time to buy low.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
If you do a full edit in the first post, you should be able to
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Thanks."You're F****n' out!"
