Vernon Davis (1 Viewer)

[JHuber77]

What is going on with Vernon Davis? Is it the playcalling, Alex Smith's inability to get the ball to Davis or what? I drafted this guy mid round hoping I could yell CLICK CLACK at all the other owners, however, he has disappointed 2 weeks in a row. I could have started Ben Watson both weeks and had TD's both weeks. Any thoughts on why he is not a part of the offense?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

(and I am a Vernon Davis owner)

 

[helix]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

 

[thecatch]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

 

[Cerwin]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

 

[Rushmore]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

You tell em' Vern

 

[ImTheScientist]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.

Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

He should be

 

[helix]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....Smith's QB rating2006 74.8 ranked 26th2007 69.1 ranked 26thHe plays PIT next and I expect great things....

 

[EBF]

People drafted him too high. He hadn't proven much of anything in the NFL, but people were still taking him in the same general range as superstar TEs like Heap, Shockey, Witten, Crumpler, and Cooley. That was a mistake. You should almost never draft a player at his ADP if the only way he can live up to that draft slot is by making a huge leap forward in production.

I think he'll have an inconsistent season. The 49ers aren't moving the ball very well and I don't expect that to change this year. My guess is that VD's season end totals will fall roughly in the middle of what he did last year and what was expected of him this year. That means he's probably a marginal TE1 in most leagues. It doesn't look like he'll be joining Gates, Heap, and Shockey at the big kids table anytime soon.

He's still a pretty solid dynasty player if you can get him for a reasonable price. The problem is that most of his owners already value him on the level of a Heap or Shockey, so you might not be able to acquire him for a price that fits his risk/reward outlook.

 

[CalBear]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

 

[JohnnyU]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

Good for him, he should.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

 

[red]

the local buzz is that the playcalling by the OC is really handcuffing smith and the 49ers passing O. he's not rolling out of the pocket and throwing downfield. the WR really aren't in the game plan even after signing DJax with that intention. in week 1, arizona was in smith's face all day, so VD had to stay in for pass protection. week 2, i don't know what the deal was. but, they're winning ugly and barely.

hopefully with gore's performance teams start to stack, the OC starts going downfield more and the O starts to open up.

 

[The Moz]

SF defense is playing great ! Willis and N. Clemens are great their Offense that everyone touted saying losing Norv wouldn't hurt is amenic ! Gore other than that 1 big run ( and a chippie TD ) didn't do much , A. Smith looks outright lost w/o Norv !

Sad too becasue had Norv stayed I could easily see SF winning their division.

Too bad Norv didn't realize he sucks as a HC !

 

[ImTheScientist]

People drafted him too high. He hadn't proven much of anything in the NFL, but people were still taking him in the same general range as superstar TEs like Heap, Shockey, Witten, Crumpler, and Cooley. That was a mistake. You should almost never draft a player at his ADP if the only way he can live up to that draft slot is by making a huge leap forward in production.

I think he'll have an inconsistent season. The 49ers aren't moving the ball very well and I don't expect that to change this year. My guess is that VD's season end totals will fall roughly in the middle of what he did last year and what was expected of him this year. That means he's probably a marginal TE1 in most leagues. It doesn't look like he'll be joining Gates, Heap, and Shockey at the big kids table anytime soon.

He's still a pretty solid dynasty player if you can get him for a reasonable price. The problem is that most of his owners already value him on the level of a Heap or Shockey, so you might not be able to acquire him for a price that fits his risk/reward outlook.

Why draft rookies then...they have zero production.

 

[mdog1967]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.

Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

He should be

Nolan might not be the coach to pull the Give Me the Ball schtick with.. I think the Play calling is a little too conservative, Alex Smith will Regress and have no confidence if he is not given the oppertunity throw the ball deep. I still beleive the 49rs are a legit WR away from winning too many games going forward. The ball needs to get down the field, right now the dink and dunk thing is working, but teams can game plan for that. Right now I just keep 8 in the box and disrupt Davis over the middle and keep Gore in front of me.

 

[EBF]

People drafted him too high. He hadn't proven much of anything in the NFL, but people were still taking him in the same general range as superstar TEs like Heap, Shockey, Witten, Crumpler, and Cooley. That was a mistake. You should almost never draft a player at his ADP if the only way he can live up to that draft slot is by making a huge leap forward in production.

I think he'll have an inconsistent season. The 49ers aren't moving the ball very well and I don't expect that to change this year. My guess is that VD's season end totals will fall roughly in the middle of what he did last year and what was expected of him this year. That means he's probably a marginal TE1 in most leagues. It doesn't look like he'll be joining Gates, Heap, and Shockey at the big kids table anytime soon.

He's still a pretty solid dynasty player if you can get him for a reasonable price. The problem is that most of his owners already value him on the level of a Heap or Shockey, so you might not be able to acquire him for a price that fits his risk/reward outlook.

Why draft rookies then...they have zero production.

Rookies are an exception for obvious reasons.But in general it's better to draft players who can underperform and still meet their ADP than it is to draft players who have to overachieve to meet their ADP.

 

[thecatch]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

 

[helix]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

 

[On The Rocks]

Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

Gotta love a young consistant QB.

 

[thecatch]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

You didn't read my post. Yesterday's game he completed at a 64.7% clip and had a rating of 86.9. I do agree they are using him like Dilfer at this point, no question about that.

 

[EBF]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

Dilfer is a very good comparison. San Francisco's 2-0 record is deceptive. This is not a team that's playing very well right now. Put them up against Dallas or Seattle and they'd get smoked. If they're going to keep winning they'll have to find some rhythm on offense.

 

[fatboyj711]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

Good for him, he should.

they are 2-0, why should he?

 

[JohnnyU]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

Good for him, he should.

they are 2-0, why should he?

Because they could probably be better if they utilized Davis more. I wouldn't call barely beating Arizona and St. Louis anything to write home to mama about.

 

[CalBear]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

 

[Cerwin]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

Good for him, he should.

they are 2-0, why should he?

You think those wins hold much value? They do and they don't, in my opinion. There's something clearly wrong with that offense and the team did go after Vernon with a top 10 pick. He should be used so the team can actually get value out of that draft pick.

 

[FFdork]

1. I don't think Vernon looks great complaining about catches after a win.

2. I watched both games, and yes it is playcalling. It has been ultra-conservative and until that changes it will be very hard for Vernon to produce like a lot of people were expecting.

3. I miss Norv.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

 

[GregR_2]

I blame it on Mike Nolan. Not really, but the dude has 2 different colored eyes and that really weirds me out. And history shows we are justified in persecuting those who aren't like us.

 

[derek19]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Thats the part the confuses me.Throughout training camp and practices, the writers covering the 49ers have made numerous comments on how accurate Alex Smith looks. Especially on his deep ball and also in the redzone. They are not letting him play at all. ITS FRUSTRATING!! In the last 6mins of the game, I believe they had 3 offensive series with only ONE F'ING pass play.

I think Alex looked a lot better yesterday, when given the chance to throw.

 

[CalBear]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

He didn't lead the ACC in receptions; he had 51 receptions his junior (last) year, behind such notables as Chansi Stuckey and Deyon Williams. He also didn't lead in yardage or TDs. I don't know where people keep making up these stats.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Thats the part the confuses me.Throughout training camp and practices, the writers cover the 49ers have made numerous comments on how accurate Alex Smith looks. Especially on his deep ball and also in the redzone. They are not letting him play at all. ITS FRUSTRATING!! In the last 6mins of the game, I believe they had 3 offensive series with only ONE F'ING pass play.

I think Alex looked a lot better yesterday, when given the chance to throw.

Hopefully they open things up a bit. They will need to in order to beat Pitt. Pounding Gore into an 8 man front will get old eventually....I think.

 

[5Rings]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

Hostler needs to take the training wheels off Smith. Smith made some great throws in the limited opportunities he had. Why are VD's numbers poor?1) Conservative Playcalling. Hostler is calling games not to lose them. SF got lucky to win yesterday.2) Rookie RT. VD has stayed in to block far more than normal. I know it doesn't help your fantasy team, but he has been a tremendous blocker so far.3) Because of 1 & 2, limited targets. I find it humerous that the NinerHaterBear continues his ignorance by claiming that VD can't catch the ball. How many drops did he have this week? Last week? ZERO. Bottom line is until the team loses (this week at PIT), I don't see Hostler being forced to open up the offense.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

He didn't lead the ACC in receptions; he had 51 receptions his junior (last) year, behind such notables as Chansi Stuckey and Deyon Williams. He also didn't lead in yardage or TDs. I don't know where people keep making up these stats.

I thought he lead all TE's Stuckey is not a TE.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

Hostler needs to take the training wheels off Smith. Smith made some great throws in the limited opportunities he had. Why are VD's numbers poor?

1) Conservative Playcalling. Hostler is calling games not to lose them. SF got lucky to win yesterday.

2) Rookie RT. VD has stayed in to block far more than normal. I know it doesn't help your fantasy team, but he has been a tremendous blocker so far.

3) Because of 1 & 2, limited targets. I find it humerous that the NinerHaterBear continues his ignorance by claiming that VD can't catch the ball. How many drops did he have this week? Last week? ZERO.

Bottom line is until the team loses (this week at PIT), I don't see Hostler being forced to open up the offense.

He just made my ignore list

 

[red]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

Hostler needs to take the training wheels off Smith. Smith made some great throws in the limited opportunities he had. Why are VD's numbers poor?1) Conservative Playcalling. Hostler is calling games not to lose them. SF got lucky to win yesterday.2) Rookie RT. VD has stayed in to block far more than normal. I know it doesn't help your fantasy team, but he has been a tremendous blocker so far.3) Because of 1 & 2, limited targets. I find it humerous that the NinerHaterBear continues his ignorance by claiming that VD can't catch the ball. How many drops did he have this week? Last week? ZERO. Bottom line is until the team loses (this week at PIT), I don't see Hostler being forced to open up the offense.

exactly!

 

[CalBear]

3) Because of 1 & 2, limited targets. I find it humerous that the NinerHaterBear continues his ignorance by claiming that VD can't catch the ball. How many drops did he have this week? Last week? ZERO.

Whoa, he caught four passes in a row! Let's prepare a space in Canton!

 

[fatboyj711]

(Rotoworld) After catching just two passes in Week 2, Vernon Davis said that he's frustrated by his role in the offense.Impact: "There wasn't too much double-team," Davis said. "Every route I ran, I got open. Every route. I was screaming. I want the ball. I don't know what it is. I got one or two passes thrown to me. I feel like I should have had more."

He is starting to complain about his minimal role as well.

Good for him, he should.

they are 2-0, why should he?

Because they could probably be better if they utilized Davis more. I wouldn't call barely beating Arizona and St. Louis anything to write home to mama about.

those wins are absolutely something to write home to mama about considering they were both division rivals... sure, the play calling is conservative, but opening up the playbook doesn't necessarily mean significant fantasy relevance for davis... if you drafted davis before the 8th round based on the offseason hype, sorry...

 

[derek19]

The offense sucks, the QB sucks, and Davis can't catch. Great combo.

He can catch just fine. He caught in college just fine.Where is this "he can't catch" stuff coming from????????

Watching all of his drops.

He must have had A lot of balls thrown his way to lead the ACC in receptions if he can't catch.

Hostler needs to take the training wheels off Smith. Smith made some great throws in the limited opportunities he had. Why are VD's numbers poor?

1) Conservative Playcalling. Hostler is calling games not to lose them. SF got lucky to win yesterday.

2) Rookie RT. VD has stayed in to block far more than normal. I know it doesn't help your fantasy team, but he has been a tremendous blocker so far.

3) Because of 1 & 2, limited targets. I find it humerous that the NinerHaterBear continues his ignorance by claiming that VD can't catch the ball. How many drops did he have this week? Last week? ZERO.

Bottom line is until the team loses (this week at PIT), I don't see Hostler being forced to open up the offense.

Thats what I was wondering. Is he calling the games not to lose them by his own decision OR has Nolan told him not to lose the games, in fear it would hurt hoss's confidence? Who knows. I know this probably sounds bad but I hope Pitt comes out and scores a TD and a FG on the 9ers. Then Hoss will be forced to call the game like he did Monday Night vs the Cards. His play-calling the last 3mins of the game was fantastic if you ask me. I just wish he would do that when they are leading as well.

Oh well, 9ers are 2-0

 

[CalBear]

I thought he lead all TE's Stuckey is not a TE.

Oh yes, he was ahead of some guy named TJ Williams for NC State, who had 36 receptions and is now a very large grocery bagger or some such.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I thought he lead all TE's Stuckey is not a TE.

Oh yes, he was ahead of some guy named TJ Williams for NC State, who had 36 receptions and is now a very large grocery bagger or some such.

{sigh}

 

[mdog1967]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

Dilfer is a very good comparison. San Francisco's 2-0 record is deceptive. This is not a team that's playing very well right now. Put them up against Dallas or Seattle and they'd get smoked. If they're going to keep winning they'll have to find some rhythm on offense.

Oh your kidding me right, Dallas maybe but Seattle your out of your mind. Like I posted last week The 49rs over the Rams and the Cards over the Seachickens. Besides the only Hawks fans out there are a bunch of smelly hippies. Just kidding the 49rs offense has some serious work to do. The Hawks are slowly dying, great franchise but in decline.

 

[kensat30]

Why should Smith trust Davis? Vernon was wide open on a lot of plays last season as well.... and he dropped the majority of them.

PS - Vernon is an important blocked for us. The guy has more strength than the average D-lineman. LBers are no match for this guy if they try to take him head on.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

He threw the ball 17 times for 126 yards, a solid 7.4 YPA.

I'm not sold on Smith as a prolific player, but getting on him for this performance is not looking at what he did produce when he was asked to.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So, if this guy is ball dropper central WHY IN THE H___E___DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS was he hyped around here so much.

Even the cheatsheets had him up there.

What am I missing?

 

[moderated]

So, if this guy is ball dropper central WHY IN THE H___E___DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS was he hyped around here so much.Even the cheatsheets had him up there.What am I missing?

I think most assumed that San Fran would have more than 150 passing yards a game.

 

[packersfan]

So, if this guy is ball dropper central WHY IN THE H___E___DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS was he hyped around here so much.Even the cheatsheets had him up there.What am I missing?

I think most assumed that San Fran would have more than 150 passing yards a game.

Especially against a piss-poor Rams' defense minus its two starting CBs. Pretty pathetic offensive performance by the Niners yesterday with the exception of Gore.

 

[1huskerfan]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

Dilfer is a very good comparison. San Francisco's 2-0 record is deceptive. This is not a team that's playing very well right now. Put them up against Dallas or Seattle and they'd get smoked. If they're going to keep winning they'll have to find some rhythm on offense.

Seattle? Are you serious?

 

[thecatch]

So, if this guy is ball dropper central WHY IN THE H___E___DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS was he hyped around here so much.Even the cheatsheets had him up there.What am I missing?

Well, on one of his catches 3-4 Rams DBs tried to bring him down and all they could do was jump on his back and stop his forward momentum. It's hard not to get excited about the guy when you see him with the ball in his hands.

 

[EBF]

Have you seen Alex Smith play? He is awful. Throwing for 126 yards against one of the worst secondaries in the league says it all. Outside of Gore, everyone on that offense is not worth starting. I would certainly bench Davis for a few weeks and see if Smith picks up his play.

Did you watch the game? It's not like Smith was missing wide open receivers. He was very efficient in the opportunities that he had to throw. The broken pass plays were mostly the result of either the pass rush or people not getting open. Davis' "big" catch was sort of a gimmick roll out play. It's clear Nolan wants to grind it out and win with defense at this point.

I did watch the game and throwing for 126 yards against a bad secondary is not good. The next thing you are going to say is that the Rams D is solid....

I'm not positive of the numbers off the top of my head but I think he completed 65% of his passes and had a decent QB rating (85 or so). His lack of fantasy production wasn't indicative of him "sucking", at least in real football terms. Even in some pretty conventional passing situations, they continued to run it with Gore.Now, whether or not Smith is capable of handling a bigger load, that's a different question. Maybe he looks so awful in practice that Nolan doesn't want to risk it. But either way, we have no way of knowing if Smith is any good or not until they actually let him pass the rock around. Judging by Nolan's extremely conservative tendancies, he might not get that chance this year.

Nope. He has an awful QB rating (see below) against 2 questionable D's. Let us see how he manages the Steelers-Smith's QB rating

2006 74.8 ranked 26th

2007 69.1 ranked 26th

In the end the only stat that counts is winning, but it is in spite of Smith. Much like when BALT won the SB with Dilbert-

Dilfer is a very good comparison. San Francisco's 2-0 record is deceptive. This is not a team that's playing very well right now. Put them up against Dallas or Seattle and they'd get smoked. If they're going to keep winning they'll have to find some rhythm on offense.

Seattle? Are you serious?

Seattle probably wasn't a good example.My point is that the Niners are not that good right now. So while they're 2-0, they haven't looked like an elite team by any means.