Very very important NFL rules question (1 Viewer)

[jwvdcw]

What is the penalty for intentionally throwing the football at the ref during a live play in order to display anger over a poor call on the previous play? What is the penalty for doing it a second time?

 

[NEUPJ]

I'm not sure if theres an official rule, but i can imagine chucking the ball at a ref, during the play or not, if it's clear of the intention will earn them an ejection and suspension.

If it was a forward throw, then itd be a forward pass, if it was behind them I'd imagine the ball would be same as a fumble.

 

[Couch Potato]

What is the penalty for intentionally throwing the football at the ref during a live play in order to display anger over a poor call on the previous play? What is the penalty for doing it a second time?

Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, and can be kicked out of the game if ref determines any such act is flagrant enough (i.e., intent to injure).Unless he throws it at Big Ed Hochuli. Then Ed would just pummel him into pulp and be done with it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

What is the penalty for intentionally throwing the football at the ref during a live play in order to display anger over a poor call on the previous play? What is the penalty for doing it a second time?

During the live play?Seeing as how the referee stands 10-12 yards behind the line of scrimmage, this would take some effort.Sounds like a penalty on the QB who would have to turn his back on his O-line and chuck it at him.

 

[jwvdcw]

Sorry, didn't mean the head ref. I meant the guy that stands right by where the linebackers roam.

 

[Couch Potato]

What is the penalty for intentionally throwing the football at the ref during a live play in order to display anger over a poor call on the previous play? What is the penalty for doing it a second time?

During the live play?Seeing as how the referee stands 10-12 yards behind the line of scrimmage, this would take some effort.Sounds like a penalty on the QB who would have to turn his back on his O-line and chuck it at him.

Shmarty. I assumed he meant official. I don't know where the different-named officials line up either. You don't draft refs in fantasy, so I'm stooooopid about it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Hey,

I figured I'd take the literal interpretation until we cleared that loophole up (as I'm sure someone would have done it later).

For reference: NFL Officials' Jurisdictions, Positions, and Duties

Intent would be required to prove, but I would like a personal foul for first offense, then another time he'd get tossed (with another 15-yarder).

 

[chris1969]

From the same link Jeff just posted

15 Yards and Automatic Disqualification

1. Using a helmet (not worn) as a weapon.

2. Striking or purposely shoving a game official.

 

[GregR_2]

Rule 12, Section 3 Unsportsmanlike Conduct

Article 1 There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:

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(b) The use of abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives of the League.

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(g) Unnecessary physical contact with a game official

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Note 1: Under no condition is an official to allow a player to shove, push, or strike him in an offensive, disrespectful, or unsportsmanlike manner. Any such action must be reported to the Commissioner.

I didn't bother typing up the lengthy stuff about disqualifications that will be applied for violating (b) or (g).I believe if the ref deemed it an intent to be abusive/threatening, he would rightfully throw the flag and eject the player.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Nobody has aksed the most obvious question.

Why do you need to know that?

 

[GregR_2]

Nobody has aksed the most obvious question.Why do you need to know that?

I thought that was obvious. Someone from one of the NFL-rigs-the-game conspiracy threads got ahold of the script for one of this weekend's games and the OP got a copy.Manning chucking the ball into Hoculi's face. Now THAT's drama!

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

In a live play it would be impossible to declare it intentional, so no foul , incomplete pass.

If a ref is even TOUCHED after the play its an auto 15

with intent to injure its ejection.

TOUCH a ref twice, ur gone.

I touched a ref once in 1998 just trying to get his attention because I was hit too hard, the ref tossed a flag on my tapping his shoulder as a personal foul, but I was not ejected. Had I done it again, Im sure I would have.

 

[GregR_2]

In a live play it would be impossible to declare it intentional, so no foul , incomplete pass.If a ref is even TOUCHED after the play its an auto 15with intent to injure its ejection.TOUCH a ref twice, ur gone.I touched a ref once in 1998 just trying to get his attention because I was hit too hard, the ref tossed a flag on my tapping his shoulder as a personal foul, but I was not ejected. Had I done it again, Im sure I would have.

Article 1 There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:

If a QB turns around and whips a 60 mph throw into an official's face with no one else around that he could have been throwing towards, do you think:This does not qualify as unsportsmanlike conduct?andThis is not an act contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship?

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

It could be argued that there was a problem with the routes and it was a spot throw.

 

[GregR_2]

It could be argued that there was a problem with the routes and it was a spot throw.

Where in the referee's decision making process is it included that he listens to someone's argument for the reason of his action?

 

[aposulli]

What is the penalty for intentionally throwing the football at the ref during a live play in order to display anger over a poor call on the previous play? What is the penalty for doing it a second time?

There can't possibly be a rule against this but I bet it'd draw a fine.

 

[chris1969]

suddenly has a flashback from "The Longest Yard"

Yeah, you could eject a player for that on first offense, it would be a judgement call by the ref and subject to review by the NFL so the Ref isn't gonna call it without having some confidence it was intentional.

 

[plymkr]

In a live play it would be impossible to declare it intentional, so no foul , incomplete pass.

If a ref is even TOUCHED after the play its an auto 15

with intent to injure its ejection.

TOUCH a ref twice, ur gone.

I touched a ref once in 1998 just trying to get his attention because I was hit too hard, the ref tossed a flag on my tapping his shoulder as a personal foul, but I was not ejected. Had I done it again, Im sure I would have.

Article 1 There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:

If a QB turns around and whips a 60 mph throw into an official's face with no one else around that he could have been throwing towards, do you think:This does not qualify as unsportsmanlike conduct?

and

This is not an act contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship?

What are you, some kind of #####?J/K

 

[chris1969]

I must have missed the part during the game where the ref goes to the telestrator and explains to the fans where the intentional part was. Officals don't have to prove anything to eject a player and the correct call is to eject a player on the first offense. Now whether or not a ref will eject a team's starting QB, comes down to how well he thinks his case is when he's talking to the Supervisor of officials.