Vick Absolves Himself From Blame (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

From the Eagles' website:

Vick Absolves Himself From Blame

December 27, 2006

By CHRIS McPHERSON

The Atlanta Falcons are 7-8 and could be eliminated from postseason contention before Sunday's kickoff against the Eagles. If they don't make the playoffs, it will be for the second straight season. Their last playoff game was the last time the Falcons visited Philadelphia, the NFC Championship Game on Jan. 23, 2005.

Surely, they will be looking for the reasons why they haven't been able to get back to the playoffs. One person who has absolved himself from the blame is quarterback Michael Vick.

"I rushed for (over) 1,000 yards this year," said Vick in a conference call with Philadelphia reporters on Wednesday. "I threw a career-high 19 touchdowns, still one game to go. I've accomplished a lot of things. I think I've played consistently week in and week out. I can't say what more I could've done. What I can say is that I feel good about what I've accomplished this season."

Vick said he doesn't know what else he can do to help the team

Yes, Vick has thrown for 2,393 yards and became the first quarterback in NFL history to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season. It is true that he has thrown a career-high 19 touchdown passes this season. So, why aren't the Falcons having more success, especially on offense? In what many would have considered a must-win game against the Carolina Panthers last week, the Falcons only mustered three points. Vick only threw for 109 yards and two interceptions.

But if you ask him, Vick simply doesn't know where things have gone wrong this season. To him, his stats have been "gravy."

"I don't know. I can't really say," said Vick. "That's for you guys to go watch the film and see what really went wrong. Stat-wise, everything looks good. It looks gravy. I think we had a good year, but at the same time something didn't go right. That's the question that needs to be answered.

"Anytime you have over 3,000 yards of total offense in a season as a player, I think you should be in the winning bracket in the wins and loss column. You should have way more wins than you have losses."

But they don't. Is offensive coordinator Greg Knapp putting Vick and the Falcons in a good position to win games?

"I don't know," said Vick. "I think so. I hope so. I can't say. I really can't say."

Is it the wide receivers? The Falcons have three former first-round picks at wide receiver (Michael Jenkins, Ashley Lelie and Roddy White) and none of them have more than 37 receptions or 420 yards this season.

"We've had a lot of dropped balls this year, but as a player I have to move on," said Vick. "I'm going to take the heat. I'm going to take the criticism for the losses."

At least Vick doesn't complain to the media.

"I never went to the press and said this is what's going on," said Vick. "I just take all the heat."

Yet, the former No. 1 overall draft pick believes that he's criticized differently than other quarterbacks.

"I'm looked at in a totally different echelon than everybody else," said Vick. "Even though we all great. I don't see commentators and reporters saying certain things about quarterbacks that they say about me when they're making mistakes. It's like I'm the worst person in the world when I throw an interception. Other guys go out and throw four or five interceptions in a game, and it's all good. Nobody talks about it. I throw one and I'm not doing my job. It's tough, but I don't even care. "

Vick admitted the toughest part of this season, and he's had a few including the time he improperly gestured to Falcons fans following a 31-13 blowout loss to the Saints on Nov. 26, was when his head coach's father, Jim Mora Sr., a former NFL head coach, called him a "coach killer" and said that "he's not a passer."

"I was just trying to figure out why would he say that and where did it come from," said Vick. "I never figured it out. I never knew why. I always went out and played each game 100 percent."

How can Mora say Vick's not a passer? The stats speak for themselves.

"I've got 19 touchdown passes," said Vick. "What more can you say? It shouldn't even be a question. It's not even a question anymore. A career-high.."

Exactly.

ETA link - http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNews...il.jsp?id=62380

 

[LT21Fan]

nice article, btw did the chairman really say whats in your sig lol

 

[Jous]

Another reason why Vick is overrated.

No leadership, fire, or desire to get better as a passer, he loves his legs too much.

 

[Sea Bass]

Like him or not, Vick happens to be right. Quite simply, he carried the team all season long. Let the finger pointing go elsewhere.

 

[JaxBill]

nice article, btw did the chairman really say whats in your sig lol

Yep Snider actually said it.http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/101...006-729232.html

 

[Jous]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Like him or not, Vick happens to be right. Quite simply, he carried the team all season long. Let the finger pointing go elsewhere.

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

 

[JaxBill]

There is no doubt that Vick had many passes dropped by his alleged receivers. I also admit that there were some games where he showed some great passing ability.

But why air the dirty laundry now? To the Philly press of all people?

And why act like 19 TD passes in 15 games is a remarkable acheivement for an NFL starting QB?

 

[SproutDaddy]

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

 

[Sea Bass]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

In this article Chris McPherson did a hatchet job on Vick. The author wants him to take all the blame for the team losing. In actually, Vick did have a decent season. When placed in a defensive position what do you want him to say?: "I suck"

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I think I've played consistently week in and week out.

Mike needs to learn what the word CONSISTENT means

| WK  OPP  |  CMP  ATT   PYD  TD  INT |  RSH	YD  TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+|  1  car  |   10   22   140   2   0  |	7	48   0 ||  2  tam  |   10   15	92   1   1  |   14   127   1 ||  3  nor  |   12   31   137   0   0  |	6	57   0 ||  4  ari  |   13   22   153   0   1  |   11   101   0 ||  6  nyg  |   14   27   154   0   1  |	8	68   1 ||  7  pit  |   18   30   232   4   2  |	5	40   0 ||  8  cin  |   20   28   291   3   0  |	9	55   0 ||  9  det  |   17   32   163   1   2  |   10	80   0 || 10  cle  |   16   40   197   1   2  |	7	74   0 || 11  bal  |   11   21   127   1   0  |	6	54   0 || 12  nor  |	9   24	84   0   0  |   12   166   0 || 13  was  |	8   16   122   2   0  |   10	59   0 || 14  tam  |   14   23   155   0   1  |	3	 5   0 || 15  dal  |   16   24   237   4   1  |	8	56   0 || 16  car  |	9   20   109   0   2  |	4	32   0

That is not the dead opposite of consistency, then it is pretty dang close.

 

[JaxBill]

I haven't seen this verified anywhere else, but former Eagles LB turned sports personality/reporter Gary Cobb is reporting that Vick just wants to be back in Atlanta before midnight on Sunday.

In the conference call today, Michael Vick said he's got his mind on playing well against the Birds on Sunday and making sure they get back to Atlanta before the New Year comes in on Sunday night. He had the nerve to say that. You can see his mind isn't on the game and the commitment to try to win their last game. Vick is thinking about the New Year's Eve party that will take place afterwards.

When asked about the NFC Championship game he played against the Eagles a couple of years ago, he said he remembers the cold weather and he wished he had taken it more seriously. How can this guy have the nerve to say that? He wishes he had taken it more seriously. I don't see how the Atlanta fans could put up with a guy who would say such a thing.

http://gcobb.com/modules.php?op=modload&am...r=0&thold=0

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Like him or not, Vick happens to be right. Quite simply, he carried the team all season long. Let the finger pointing go elsewhere.

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

If it is, then the Lions should have Home field advantage in the NFC. Kitna has more than 4,000 combined yards. How's that for "gravy?"

 

[Banger]

What a joke. At 1st he was a winner and stats didn't matter. Now he's not a winner but he thinks he has good stats so that's good enough. What a leader.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Like him or not, Vick happens to be right. Quite simply, he carried the team all season long. Let the finger pointing go elsewhere.

agreed. Feel bad for him- he plays great, his team sucks, and he gets more blame than anyone. If I were him I'd just ask for a trade.

 

[Assani Fisher]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

 

[Assani Fisher]

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

considering his WRs that is spectacular

 

[Jous]

I don't believe that his WR's are the biggest cause for his terrible inconsistancy. They factor in, but they can't be dropping the ball THAT much.

But that's beside the point. My biggest gripe with him is that he made it sound like he had a fantastic season, and that he doesn't need to work on his game and become better. Clearly, his game still has a lot of faults, and he must get better if the Falcons are to be a legit SuperBowl contender.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

considering his WRs that is spectacular

His wr's are no worse than NE's. Crumpler is better than Watson.

 

[juveduke]

He was awful this past weekend. And it wasn't his receivers.

Then he blames the defense for not forcing Carolina into a 3 and out every time.

Just say you sucked and move on

 

[Jous]

Any time you hold an opponent to 10 points, you SHOULD win that game. No blame can be put on the defense in that loss.

 

[Sea Bass]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

 

[juveduke]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

But is he worth his contract?

 

[Jous]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

It is hard to win in the NFL when you don't score more than 14 points. You won't find a team with a winning record that scores 14 or fewer in half their games. The Falcons have had 8 games with 14 points or less. That isn't exactly gravy.

 

[Da Guru]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

But is he worth his contract?

NO!

 

[Billy Bats]

From the Eagles' website:

Vick Absolves Himself From Blame

December 27, 2006

By CHRIS McPHERSON

How can Mora say Vick's not a passer? The stats speak for themselves.

"I've got 19 touchdown passes," said Vick. "What more can you say? It shouldn't even be a question. It's not even a question anymore. A career-high.."

Exactly.

ETA link - http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNews...il.jsp?id=62380

Michael forgets to mention his career high in int's this season, or his career low completion percentage over a full season. Yea he's having a stellar year, can't possibly understand why Atlanta isn't in the playoffs.

Poor guy doesn't have much of a clue.

 

[parasaurolophus]

too many people are skewed by fantasy stats. In the fantasy world a qb who runs for 100 and passes for 125 is way better than a QB that passes for 225. However in the NFL, they mean the same.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I don't believe that his WR's are the biggest cause for his terrible inconsistancy. They factor in, but they can't be dropping the ball THAT much.

But that's beside the point. My biggest gripe with him is that he made it sound like he had a fantastic season, and that he doesn't need to work on his game and become better. Clearly, his game still has a lot of faults, and he must get better if the Falcons are to be a legit SuperBowl contender.

Based on the games in which I watched(which I'll admit was only about 5 or 6) I think that having merely average WRs would've added at least 400 yards and 4 TDs to his yearly totals and having above average WRs would've added much more. Not only did they drop balls, but they just weren't open very often either.

 

[Assani Fisher]

3300 total yards and 21 total tds really isn't that spectacular for a QB. Vick should know that, if he wants to talk about the how the stats say he did great.

considering his WRs that is spectacular

His wr's are no worse than NE's. Crumpler is better than Watson.

I'll agree with you there, but 2 points:1. I think that Brady is the best football player in the game today, so saying that Vick is worse than Brady really doesn't mean much to me.2. NE WRs are better coached, which might help drops a bit, which are often more mental mistakes than physical limitations, and well coached teams often don't make as many mental errors.

 

[Assani Fisher]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

 

[msommer]

So, is he a coach killer or not?

 

[Borat]

Does this really surprise anyone?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

too many people are skewed by fantasy stats. In the fantasy world a qb who runs for 100 and passes for 125 is way better than a QB that passes for 225. However in the NFL, they mean the same.

No offense but I think you're dead wrong. When you get into the red zone and you add the endzone as a virtual defender, the inability to generate passing completions leads to a deficit in point production. Stopping the run is stopping the run.And to the earlier comment re: "average passer and great legs = great player", folks need to realize that 2300 yards and 19 TDs are not "average passer" stats; that would be 3200 yards and 25 TDs.

 

[AsimoV]

Vick seems to think he plays in the NBA, where the "me first" attitude permeates and is rewarded. This is made even more pitiful by the increasing number of NFL fans sharing in this same opinion. His "Don't blame me, I didn't do it!" attitude is nowhere near indicitive of a championship QB. Sadly, and in support of this claim, many Falcon fans seem to care more that he wasn't elected to the Pro-Bowl than they are that their team is likely out of the playoffs.

In response to all of the musings that his legs somehow make up for his inability to throw the ball with any consistency, I offer this; when your offense is playing against a defense that's great at stopping the run, the last thing you want to do is attack them with a one-dimensional, rushing QB. You play to the other teams weakness, not their strength.

 

[JetMaxx]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

Common sense tells me that a QB with 3000 TOTAL yards and a whopping 19 TDs shouldn't say he's done all he could, that the blame is not on him, and that he's looking forward to getting back to ATL for the New Year's party. I imagine that it's certainly not what Arthur Blank expected out of his $140 million investment.

 

[Two Deep]

Just checked the Top 20 NFC drop totals all these guys are in the Top 20

Crumpler 7 drops, White 7 drops, Jenkins 5 drops

in comparison

R. Bush 8 drops, D. Henderson 8 drops, M. Colston 5 drops, J. Horn 5 drops

Now I'm not saying the Falcons problems are all Vicks fault but you certainly cannot blame all the ineptness in the passing game on his receivers either. New Orleans receivers dropped a #### load and they are on their way to the playoffs. Add to that Vick has a career completion pct of 53.7 not good.

One more thing, for setting a record rushing he only scored twice.

Fantasy QB= very good. NFL QB = not so good

To put this in perspective since the 2002 season (Vicks 1st full) Aaron Brooks statistics blow Vicks away.

 

[Banger]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game. His game and team has gotten worse, not better since then. He was new and different then and the league has since caught up to him. They are happy to let him run around between the 20's and get field goals all day long.Someone may have to help me with this but I think I heard during a Falcon game two weeks ago that Vick hasn't led the Falcons from behind in the 4 qtr in something like 18 games. That's because he can't pass the ball and that's when you need to pass.

 

[fatness]

Vick isn't a leader. If he was a leader he would have blamed his offensive line, or his kicker, or his defense.

 

[Aaronstory]

Vick is a unique talent, no question. However, his glaring lack of anything resembling leadership skills is frightening. Those are the words of a small minded man, not a leader of men. Good God, he wants to be sure to be back in ATL by midnight? If you were on that team, how could you possibly take this clown seriously after a comment like that? Someone please give this team to the backup already...

 

[Bull Dozier]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

He completes not much more than half his passes (52%) and is 21st in the league in passer rating at 74.4, and has a less than 1.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio. To me that says he is a below than average passer. A below average passer at the QB position cannot be a great player IMHO.

 

[Banger]

I posted this in another thread a couple months ago...

This is from an NFL scout regarding Vick....

Are Michael Jenkins and Roddy White behind in their development or is Michael Vick the bigger problem in the Atlanta Falcons' passing attack?

The passing game is about rhythm and timing. Route progressions coincide with the depth of the quarterback's drops or rollout position. In other words, a receiver runs a route to a certain pre-determined destination with the knowledge of when and where the ball is scheduled to arrive.

So much of the Falcons' passing game is dictated by Vick's improvisational athletic skills. Vick excels in buying time and creating movements in coverage, so receivers have to adjust on the fly and work their way back to the quarterback. So, Falcons' receivers often run good routes and get open, but Vick may be in avoid-the-rush or run mode and might not deliver the ball on time.

What Vick does very effectively is create space in coverage with his running skills. Defenses must often come off their coverage in an effort to defend Vick as he approaches the line of scrimmage, only to give enough space in a throwing lane to make for an easy throw that does not have to be as precise into a peeled-off coverage situation.

Vick is a free-wheeler and doesn't make quick reads and deliver the ball quickly which is what the West Coast offense is all about.

 

[dagogrease]

Vick isn't a leader. If he was a leader he would have blamed his offensive line, or his kicker, or his defense.

 

[Big Score]

He was awful this past weekend. And it wasn't his receivers.

Then he blames the defense for not forcing Carolina into a 3 and out every time.

Just say you sucked and move on

Dude,

Obviously you didn't see the game. One of the worst NFL games I've ever seen. It was like watching High School football.

EVERYONE blamed Atlanta's D for that loss.

When one of the NFL's poorer running teams comes in & calls 52 runs (only attempted 7 passes for the enitre game), pulls their QB off the field & direct snaps it to their RB on 3rd downs all game long & the Falcons D can only come up with just a couple of stops, while allowing Carolina to have time of possesion control with 41:47, it IS the D's fault.

The Falcons D only gave their offense the ball for 18 freakin' minutes.

 

[JaxBill]

Vick's New Year quote:

He may have been too honest for his own good when asked about the frame of mind he and the other Falcons will be in Sunday.

"Just a winning frame of mind," Vick said. "We want to come down and put on our best performance and get back before New Year's."

Ringing in the new year should the last thing on Vick's mind. Then again, it might be his symbolic way of starting anew and wiping away the frustration of a disappointing Falcons season.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16331750.htm

 

[Big Score]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game.

Might want to check your math there big guy.

 

[Banger]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game.

Might want to check your math there big guy.

He was in the Championship game in '02 right? So '03, '04, '05, '06 and next year is '07, 1,2,3,4,5.

 

[Big Score]

First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game.

Might want to check your math there big guy.

He was in the Championship game in '02 right?

 

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First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game.

Might want to check your math there big guy.

He was in the Championship game in '02 right?

LOL, there in lies the problem. I thought he made it in his 2nd year. My bad.

 

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First off, he did not carry his team all year. he had some big games, but he also had a lot of terrible games where he was incapable of doing anything right.

My biggest gripe though is that he made it sound like he was great all year and that he doesn't need to improve. Clearly, Vick is a great scrambler, but as a passer he's very average at best.

an average passer plus that running ability is a great overall player imo.

Nice try Assani, but common sense isn't allowed in this thread. We have interupted a Vick hatin' convention. Carry on.........

His running ability is great, but he puts too much emphasis on it, and IMO it hinders his passing game. I don't buy the talk that he'd be this great, 3,000 yard, high completion percentage passer with better WR's. It's NOT all their fault, they do have some blame but not all of it. I just wish he'd put more emphasis on his passing game. I mean, can anyone actually imagine Vick, playing at his current level, winning a SuperBowl? I can't even picture it, it's so far-fetched.

Well in his first year as a starter he got to the 2nd round of the playoffs and in his 2nd year he got to the 3rd round. I'm not sure why it'd be that far of a stretch to imagine him winning just two more games than he did that year.

Well next year it will be 5 years since he's been to the Championship game.

Might want to check your math there big guy.

He was in the Championship game in '02 right?

LOL, there in lies the problem. I thought he made it in his 2nd year. My bad.

Yep, that's the problem.'01 Got a start of two at the end of his rookie year.

'02 1st year starting, Falcons make the playoffs & became the 1st team to ever beat Green Bay in Green Bay, during the playoffs.

'03 Had his ankle broken on a sack in a meaningless pre-season game. Came back for the final 4 games of the year.

'04 Falcons made the playoffs & advanced to the NFC Championship game.