Vick lost his starting job already (1 Viewer)

[FarEastKilla]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

 

[Football Jones]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

I'll buy that conspiracy theory. I don't care what Reid says, something forced his hand to change from saying Kolb would start that week to switching to Vick a day or two later. I don't know what it was, but there's no doubt in mind he would've started Kolb if the decision was totally his.The FO theory is as good as any. Some people speculated a few well-respected players got in Reid's ear, but whatever happened, I can't see him going back to Vick unless Kolb bombs.

 

[FFdork]

I think the offensive line problems were a big reason for the decision to go with Vick (because he can get away from the Rush/his running ability slows down the rush). However, Vick was playing out of his mind--way better as a passer than he ever was in the past. His ability to run also makes the defense do different things that make other players better.

If the Eagles are thinking they could make a run at the Superbowl, and looking around the NFC I see no reason they shouldn't, then I think you go with Vick to see if he can sustain the level of play he was showing the first few weeks. If Vick struggles and then you go with Kolb, that's a much better situation for everyone (otherwise the Philly fans and media will go nuts the first time Kolb struggles a little).

 

[bengalbuck]

Didn't Kolb just sign a big extension in the offseason?

And isn't Vick a FA after this season?

Just seems like they aren't going to want to pay 2 guys a bunch of money and Vick will end up elsewhere. So Kolb is the guy long term there. Do you put off his development for a year because Vick might be a little better?

I think probably not and Kolb holds onto the job unless he struggles.

 

[pantagrapher]

Finally, a thread for this long-overdue discussion.

 

[G-King]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

My contact to the "Philly inner circle" says NO WAY the front office even knew this change was coming. Again, posters and fans keep assuming this and it is understandable, but they could not be more wrong. This was a decision between Kolb and AR and no one else. There was no "grassy knoll" theory on this deal, AR acted alone. Time to accept it.

 

[Romofan]

Problem is Titans are a good defense and I think Kolb gets manhandled this week.

 

[Mighty Mice]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

My contact to the "Philly inner circle" says NO WAY the front office even knew this change was coming. Again, posters and fans keep assuming this and it is understandable, but they could not be more wrong. This was a decision between Kolb and AR and no one else. There was no "grassy knoll" theory on this deal, AR acted alone. Time to accept it.

G-King, I appreciate all the info you pass along. Any inclination as to whether Reid's decison was based on:

a) Sorry, Kevin, but the O-Line stinks, and Vick and his mobility are a better fit. I put you back behind center you'll be killed

or

b) Sorry, Kevin, but the offense looked pretty poor in the pre-season and week 1 was not off to a good start. Vick is the better QB right now, and this gives you a chance to watch and learn.

And as a total aside, are KK and Vick really friends? Vick congratulated him last week after the bomb to Maclin and the announcers went on about how close the two are and how they really want the other to succeed. Just curious. I would think two ultra-competitive guys fighting for the PT would be

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Didn't Kolb just sign a big extension in the offseason?

Not really. He was only extended for one year. His contract now runs through 2011. Most of it consisted of a signing bonus. So the flexibility is there to go with either guy after this year. However, I think it will be Kolb, who is younger, is showing again what we saw in him last year, and has been Reid's guy all along. For this year, the issue is that the O-Line isn't very good and Kolb only plays as well as his O-Line does, while Vick can play well if the O-Line doesn't. Therefore, if the team is serious about making a run this year, Vick is who they should go with when he's healthy.

 

[G-King]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

My contact to the "Philly inner circle" says NO WAY the front office even knew this change was coming. Again, posters and fans keep assuming this and it is understandable, but they could not be more wrong. This was a decision between Kolb and AR and no one else. There was no "grassy knoll" theory on this deal, AR acted alone. Time to accept it.

G-King, I appreciate all the info you pass along. Any inclination as to whether Reid's decison was based on:

a) Sorry, Kevin, but the O-Line stinks, and Vick and his mobility are a better fit. I put you back behind center you'll be killed

or

b) Sorry, Kevin, but the offense looked pretty poor in the pre-season and week 1 was not off to a good start. Vick is the better QB right now, and this gives you a chance to watch and learn.

And as a total aside, are KK and Vick really friends? Vick congratulated him last week after the bomb to Maclin and the announcers went on about how close the two are and how they really want the other to succeed. Just curious. I would think two ultra-competitive guys fighting for the PT would be

100 % AKolb and Vick are tight, and have been for a long time. Vick's work ethic and training room habits improve when he joined the Eagles because Kolb's drive to help him. Consequently Kolb is a huge fan of Vicks genuine athletic ability. The guys have alot of things in common away from the game that the fans would be suprised about. Yes, sure there is competition- but also a respect between the two that was not so much between some of the former QB stable.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now)

not to mention that you are wrong...

 

[goonsquad]

Kolb and Vick are tight, and have been for a long time. Vick's work ethic and training room habits improve when he joined the Eagles because Kolb's drive to help him. Consequently Kolb is a huge fan of Vicks genuine athletic ability. The guys have alot of things in common away from the game that the fans would be suprised about. Yes, sure there is competition- but also a respect between the two that was not so much between some of the former QB stable.

Torturing and killing dogs for fun? Or knowingly spreading STV's to unsuspecting women?

 

[Mad Mike Martz]

Kolb and Vick are tight, and have been for a long time. Vick's work ethic and training room habits improve when he joined the Eagles because Kolb's drive to help him. Consequently Kolb is a huge fan of Vicks genuine athletic ability. The guys have alot of things in common away from the game that the fans would be suprised about. Yes, sure there is competition- but also a respect between the two that was not so much between some of the former QB stable.

Torturing and killing dogs for fun? Or knowingly spreading STV's to unsuspecting women?

Not that I think what he did is okay, but isn't it time to let go of the whole dogfighting thing? He served his time and is a changed man. I don't think what he did should be held against him for the rest of his life. He did hard jail time, give him a break.

 

[Amused to Death]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now) not to mention that you are wrong...

Reid has said he's "not going to get into all that" when asked who his starter is. I know you want it to be Vick, but you're the one who said you can have your own opinion, but now your own facts. Please provide a current link that says Vick is the starter going forward. Thanks.

 

[G-King]

Kolb and Vick are tight, and have been for a long time. Vick's work ethic and training room habits improve when he joined the Eagles because Kolb's drive to help him. Consequently Kolb is a huge fan of Vicks genuine athletic ability. The guys have alot of things in common away from the game that the fans would be suprised about. Yes, sure there is competition- but also a respect between the two that was not so much between some of the former QB stable.

Torturing and killing dogs for fun? Or knowingly spreading STV's to unsuspecting women?

Appropriate moniker my friend. and that is exactly what they do together on a slow Tues evening.

 

[Touchdown There]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now) not to mention that you are wrong...

Reid has said he's "not going to get into all that" when asked who his starter is. I know you want it to be Vick, but you're the one who said you can have your own opinion, but now your own facts. Please provide a current link that says Vick is the starter going forward. Thanks.

The Vick supporters are certainly louder than the Kolb supporters.

 

[thehornet]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now) not to mention that you are wrong...

Reid has said he's "not going to get into all that" when asked who his starter is. I know you want it to be Vick, but you're the one who said you can have your own opinion, but now your own facts. Please provide a current link that says Vick is the starter going forward. Thanks.

The Vick supporters are certainly louder than the Kolb supporters.

wrong.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now)

not to mention that you are wrong...

Reid has said he's "not going to get into all that" when asked who his starter is. I know you want it to be Vick, but you're the one who said you can have your own opinion, but now your own facts. Please provide a current link that says Vick is the starter going forward. Thanks.

see this is why all these rehash threads should be merged.

but really? google down?

Coach Reid says Vick is still his starter

Michael Vick - QB - Philadelphia EaglesMore team news

Oct. 17, 2010 - 4:45 PM ET

Despite Sunday's impressive performance by Kevin Kolb, coach Andy Reid said that Michael Vick remains his starting quarterback.

Vick is still nursing those injured ribs and is questionable for Week 7 at this point. There's no reason to rush with Kolb playing at a very high level. The Eagles have a bye in Week 8, so we wouldn't be surprised at all if Kolb gets the nod next week. And knowing Reid, we can't be certain that Vick will get his job back if Kolb succeeds again. Both quarterbacks should be rostered in fantasy until we know more.

Source: Jeff McLane on Twitter

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Really? Another thread for this same issue (there are 3-5 right now) not to mention that you are wrong...

Reid has said he's "not going to get into all that" when asked who his starter is. I know you want it to be Vick, but you're the one who said you can have your own opinion, but now your own facts. Please provide a current link that says Vick is the starter going forward. Thanks.

The Vick supporters are certainly louder than the Kolb supporters.

I'm guessing he's referring to me

 

[yesitsme]

I disagree with with the title of this thread, I don't think Vick lost his job, Kolb earned his back.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Kolb and Vick are tight, and have been for a long time. Vick's work ethic and training room habits improve when he joined the Eagles because Kolb's drive to help him. Consequently Kolb is a huge fan of Vicks genuine athletic ability. The guys have alot of things in common away from the game that the fans would be suprised about. Yes, sure there is competition- but also a respect between the two that was not so much between some of the former QB stable.

Torturing and killing dogs for fun? Or knowingly spreading STV's to unsuspecting women?

 

[baldbird]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

You hit the nail on the head but I dont want Kolb to choke he will be the best QB for the eagles

 

[shortbow]

Lol the Eagles are playing the Titans, they have IMO the best pass rush in the league. Kolbs gonna get rocked once, be off his game for the rest of the game, then put in the ground by Tennessee.

 

[FFdork]

I don't understand why people think the QB for next year/the future has anything to do with the decision of who is the starter now. The NFC is wide open and the Eagles look as good as anyone. They want the QB that gives them the best chance to win right now.

I agree that Reid would probably like for it to be Kolb, but the word was that he thought it was an extremely tough situation for Kolb to be the starter with Vick looking so good. Add in the o-line issues, and I think they go with Vick until he stumbles or gets hurt again.

FYI: I don't have a horse in this race in any league.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

In Kolb's 6th start I see something like 220 with a TD and a pick or maybe even 2.

Tennessee's D is good and can get to the QB. Being without Jackson is what's going to sting the most (and something Vick supporters will not mention). I think we need the running game more then ever this week and hopefully we can escape with a win on the road.

FYI I'm an EAGLES FAN I like both Vick and Kolb.

 

[jude]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

i'd say kolb heads back to the bench now

 

[ponchsox]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

i'd say kolb heads back to the bench now

Agreed, Vick still gives them the best chance to win.

 

[moderated]

Kolb is awful, he isn't putting vick on the bench.

 

[CowboysHomer]

Kolb is awful, he isn't putting vick on the bench.

Yep, I mean he totally blew all those coverages against Kenny Britt with 80 year old Kerry Collins throwing to him!

 

[The Comedian]

Kolb is awful, he isn't putting vick on the bench.

Yep, I mean he totally blew all those coverages against Kenny Britt with 80 year old Kerry Collins throwing to him!

You do realize Kolb and the defense can play poorly, right?Kolb owners are a strange breed.

 

[crewmember]

I know AR is going to stick with Kolb unless he gets sacked like jay cutler and loses the game ugly. I'm welling to go further by predicting Kolb keeping the starting job even if Eagles lose as long kolb looks pretty. I know what AR claimed to the media, but behind closed doors I think the decision has already been made. Kolb is AR's man, they traded #5 to invest in this dude. Everyone in philly's inner circle whispers it was the front office that forced AR to start Vick in the first time around, I don't think they going to force AR again this time, especially after AR proved his point after Kolb play so well the past two games. I'm a Vick Owner, but I'm not going to fool myself and use blind bias, just hope Kolb choke this weekend... Real bad!

i'd say kolb heads back to the bench now

Agreed, Vick still gives them the best chance to win.

Agreed. Mike Vick is also very good in the redzone, something the Eagles can struggle with.

 

[Romofan]

Andy Reid already named Vick the week 9 starter....

 

[bweiser]

Andy Reid already named Vick the week 9 starter....

Yeah, and he named Kolb the Week 3 starter right after Week 2, right? How did that work out?

 

[ponchsox]

Andy Reid already named Vick the week 9 starter....

Yeah, and he named Kolb the Week 3 starter right after Week 2, right? How did that work out?

There isn't any debating, Kolb is headed to the bench.

 

[Saint]

Well after watching the game today... safe to say Vick is the starter after the bye. Kolb threw several passes that were off the mark drastically. Granted the defense played hideously, but I think Vick plays better on the rollouts than what Kolb does, and it was obviously that the Philly O-line could not hold the defensive front 4. My guess is that Reid goes with the more mobile QB and that's Vick.

 

[CowboysHomer]

Kolb is awful, he isn't putting vick on the bench.

Yep, I mean he totally blew all those coverages against Kenny Britt with 80 year old Kerry Collins throwing to him!

You do realize Kolb and the defense can play poorly, right?Kolb owners are a strange breed.

Not a Kolb owner. Do have Maclin and DeSean rostered across a couple of my teams, so have some interest. I think Kolb has played better against tougher Ds this year than Vick has. *shrugs*