Vick over Kolb -- understandable, but is it right? (1 Viewer)

[The_Hoser]

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand why Reid's making this decision. Vick's played well and with the offensive line deficiencies the Eagles have, a mobile quarterback probably gives the team a better chance to win.

But in my head, I see this scenario:

Andy Reid is eating a cheesesteak, slips off his stool and smashes his head on the counter. He suffers a concussion and is forced to stay off the sidelines for two weeks. In the interim, Sean McDermott fills in and coaches his socks off.

Now Reid's ready to come back -- is he forced to wait until McDermott screws up? What's the difference in that situation and the Kolb/Vick discussion?

 

[ang12]

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand why Reid's making this decision. Vick's played well and with the offensive line deficiencies the Eagles have, a mobile quarterback probably gives the team a better chance to win.

But in my head, I see this scenario:

Andy Reid is eating a cheesesteak, slips off his stool and smashes his head on the counter. He suffers a concussion and is forced to stay off the sidelines for two weeks. In the interim, Sean McDermott fills in and coaches his socks off.

Now Reid's ready to come back -- is he forced to wait until McDermott screws up? What's the difference in that situation and the Kolb/Vick discussion?

Nothing, it's exactly the same.Kidding aside, Kolb is coming back from a concussion and putting him in on the road vs Jax wouldn't be the best idea even if you were keeping him as starter.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand why Reid's making this decision. Vick's played well and with the offensive line deficiencies the Eagles have, a mobile quarterback probably gives the team a better chance to win.

But in my head, I see this scenario:

Andy Reid is eating a cheesesteak, slips off his stool and smashes his head on the counter. He suffers a concussion and is forced to stay off the sidelines for two weeks. In the interim, Sean McDermott fills in and coaches his socks off.

Now Reid's ready to come back -- is he forced to wait until McDermott screws up? What's the difference in that situation and the Kolb/Vick discussion?

I think you just answered your own question.

And comparing players to coaches is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[pollardsvision]

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand why Reid's making this decision. Vick's played well and with the offensive line deficiencies the Eagles have, a mobile quarterback probably gives the team a better chance to win.

But in my head, I see this scenario:

Andy Reid is eating a cheesesteak, slips off his stool and smashes his head on the counter. He suffers a concussion and is forced to stay off the sidelines for two weeks. In the interim, Sean McDermott fills in and coaches his socks off.

Now Reid's ready to come back -- is he forced to wait until McDermott screws up? What's the difference in that situation and the Kolb/Vick discussion?

Nothing, it's exactly the same.Kidding aside, Kolb is coming back from a concussion and putting him in on the road vs Jax wouldn't be the best idea even if you were keeping him as starter.

Sort of, but not really.The proper way to look at this scenario, Vick=Reid (veteran who's shown years of being able to win games) and McDermott=Kolb (young'en who's never done anything and it's curious why they ever would've been considered handing the keys to him anyway).

A better example would be if Mangini concussed himself and Holmgren stepped in and the Browns started winning. Nobody would complain if Holmgren kept the job.

The "you can't lose your job to injury" philosophy has a very clear exception. If you've never done anything in your NFL career, you can lose your job to injury (or at least you should be able to).

This situation was clearly handled poorly, but there is absolutely no reason for Kolb to have job security.

 

[Donnybrook]

Pat Kirwin made an interesting argument for starting Vick. He said in essence the reason you start Vick in game 3 is so that he is ready for Washington in game 4.

I think Kolb may be capable of beating the Jags but with only 1.5 games of experience would he be ready to play Washington. I understand why the Eagles are going with Vick.

 

[Clifford]

we really don't need yet another Vick thread. This isn't a new angle.

 

[Christo]

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand why Reid's making this decision. Vick's played well and with the offensive line deficiencies the Eagles have, a mobile quarterback probably gives the team a better chance to win.But in my head, I see this scenario:Andy Reid is eating a cheesesteak, slips off his stool and smashes his head on the counter. He suffers a concussion and is forced to stay off the sidelines for two weeks. In the interim, Sean McDermott fills in and coaches his socks off.Now Reid's ready to come back -- is he forced to wait until McDermott screws up? What's the difference in that situation and the Kolb/Vick discussion?

What's the difference? Reid has a well-established record of success. Kolb has no record of success and looked like crap before he was hurt. Vick has an established record of success and has looked good recently. I couldn't pick Sean McDermott out of a line-up.

 

[Nate]

I'm so relieved there's a thread that we can finally discuss the Kolb/Vick QB switch.

 

[Tornacl]

I think it is the right call. Putting Kolb back in would be the worst thing for him. Vick has played great, so if Reid put Kolb back in, Kolb would be looking over his shoulder, and when QBs play that way they usually don't play well. If Kolb struggles, Reid would be forced to yank him at the first sign of trouble. The Eagles want to win now.

At least this way, if Vick struggles, Kolb can come back in and he'll have more room to grow as a QB.

 

[The_Hoser]

I don't disagree with any of the people justifying the move. I just wonder about a coach saying a guy is a starter and the general mouthing of "a guy doesn't lose his job to injury," then pulling the rug out from underneath him later in the week. Michael Irvin said this morning he felt the team would applaud the decision, and again, I don't disagree.

I'm also amazed by the number of people who will come into a thread to say they dislike the thread. Thanks for your input -- it was indispensible.

 

[Jeremy]

I'll say one thing, if I'm a starting QB, I'm going to do everything I can to hide it if I think I might have a concussion. There's never been a bigger lie in sports than "you don't lose your job due to injury."