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[countingcrow]

It's widely accepted that Vick is the biggest injury risk at the QB position in 2011.

It could be argued that drafting Vick forces you to draft another top 15 QB to fill the void when the inevitable happens.

A few options that aren't discussed as often are hand-cuffing Vick with Vince Young and/or picking up a fringe starter on an explosive offense.

I'm assuming that Vince Young did not get drafted in most shallow leagues (12 teams or less). Judging from all the negativity surrounding Kerry Collins on this board, I feel like I can safely assume that he isn't owned in many leagues either.

The Eagles have a bye in Week 7. The Colts play the Saints on the road in Week 7. That game should be a high scoring affair.

I'm a Vick owner who decided against forcing myself into drafting a back-up QB higher than I wanted to and instead am going the route of rostering both Collins and Vince Young at least for the first few weeks of the season until we see how well Collins performs with all those weapons. I'm not the biggest fan of Vince Young but I am not going to pretend that he wouldn't have some pretty nice value running the Philly offense. The coaches (Reid and Morningwheg) have been impressed with his progress in picking up the offense so it'd be interesting to see what he'd look like in the event that Vick were to go down with a multi-week injury.

I seem to be alone in my assesment of my situation when discussing it with my league-mates. They all think I'm crazy to assume that Collins can succeed in Indy and all but a few of them think Vince Young doesn't have what it takes mentally to orchestrate that Philly offense. The only point they make that I somewhat agree with is using three roster spots for the QB position can be a waste of resources if you don't have necessary depth at other positions. Luckily, I do have enough depth so at the moment it's not an issue.

If you own Vick, who do you have as your insurance policy?

 

[Mindgame]

I have Vick and I almost picked up Ben for my back up, but they took him right before it was my pick so I have Cutler for now.

 

[onehung]

Josh Freeman

 

[VaTerp]

I am taking a big risk as the only other QB on my roster is Hasselbeck. This league has shallow rosters and if Vick goes down I have to hope to get lucky and pickup Young on the ww.

 

[countingcrow]

I am taking a big risk as the only other QB on my roster is Hasselbeck. This league has shallow rosters and if Vick goes down I have to hope to get lucky and pickup Young on the ww.

If you aren't confident in Hasselbeck why wouldn't you just roster Young all season long as a handcuff and then just pick up a QB for the Week 7 bye?

 

[VaTerp]

I am taking a big risk as the only other QB on my roster is Hasselbeck. This league has shallow rosters and if Vick goes down I have to hope to get lucky and pickup Young on the ww.

If you aren't confident in Hasselbeck why wouldn't you just roster Young all season long as a handcuff and then just pick up a QB for the Week 7 bye?

I think Hasselbeck will be better than people think this year. As for how confident I am in that prediction, I don't know. But I am operating under the thought that he will be better than any ww pickup I can get in week 7.And our ww is FCFS so if Vick goes down, I will be picking up Young as quickly as possible.

 

[RedskinsFan]

Vick owner here

Drafted Stafford another man made of glass player in the 10th because everyone else was afraid of him

To me it's not the best combination but if I'm gambling figured why not double down?

 

[QuizGuy66]

I drafted Flacco as my regular backup but took Young in the last round as my 2nd backup just in case. Young has value basically to me and nobody else I figure. After the draft, a couple of other owners told me they had thought about taking Young at the end themselves. This is a 10-teamer FWIW. I think a Young handcuff is a logical move given how easily I think he'd get plugged into the offense.

-QG

 

[MDPapi]

I had Vick, Orton and Young. But Young's hammy scares me, so I dropped him and picked up Fitzpatrick.

 

[Seekay]

Aaron Rogers and Matt Stafford

 

[Eastwood]

Peyton Manning

awwww crap.

 

[loose circuits]

no way I'd use of 3 roster spots for QB in an average league. The problem with VY is that Kafka is nearly just as good and arguably has a better understanding of the offense. While, during the preseason, it seemed clear Vince was #2 it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for him to struggle and the Eagles put in Kafka.

I'd probably just carry the best QB on the WW and seriously doubt it would be a 38 year old Kerry Collins

 

[Reepicheep]

Vick owner hereDrafted Stafford another man made of glass player in the 10th because everyone else was afraid of himTo me it's not the best combination but if I'm gambling figured why not double down?

Love it. Go big or go home.

 

[Romofan]

DRafted Vick in the 2nd and Matt Ryan in the 9th (12 team league.) I was going to wait and get Stafford or Bradford but Ryan was good value there IMO - in general I wanted a good backup because I figured IF/when Vick gets injured it would likely be on the run and potentially serious....so wanted a solid backup.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Vick4 here

Think he's the make or break guy of every league and I took the chance on him in the first round of every draft. Highest pick 3rd, lowest pick 6th.

Odds are he gets hurt, it's a matter of when and how long as to how he'll impact each league. Fantasy is fun and I can think of nothing more fun that riding Vick all season and / or scrambling to make things work when he goes down.

League 1 - 8 team H2H - Stafford

League 2 - 12 team H2H - Collins / Orton

League 3 - FBG Ultimate Survivor - Freeman

League 4 - 10 team H2H - Kolb

 

[macknova]

I have Young in the one league I have Vick with fairly deep rosters. Of course, that league you can play a QB in the flex, and it's 12 teams, so every QB actually on a team starting is taken.

To me, there are 17 QBs I would want. Everything after that is replacement-level. That screwed me in my league with Manning, as once Kolb, Cutler, and Sanchez were gone, I wanted no part of anyone. Now I'm starting Rex Grossman this week.

I think you can play matchups at backup QB, if the league is shallow enough. Grossman, Collins, McCoy, Smith, and Hasselbeck all have chances to have a good week this week. Of course, there's a lot more risk and less reward most likely with those guys, but there's usually a QB or 2 that pop up and come out of nowhere to be productive, at least for a few weeks at a time.

 

[NeverEnough]

Vick hurt sooner rather than later. When is Young back? Is Kafka worth a pickup?

I don't own Vick in any leagues, but if I can block the Vick owner & then trade to him, why not? I do own Young in a couple dynasty leagues, though.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I traded like crazy in one league to get Vick then this.

I think Vince young would be very good with what Reid has created. But unfortunately he is dinged too. Having Young as a backup this week seems pointless because Kafka could play. I was waiting for Young to be cleared for active status before picking him up.

I do keep Kolb as a backup (actually I have been trying to trade him with an eye towards picking up Grossman, yet stranegly no takers) but I'm less than thrilled about it.... I'd feel better if Young was good to go.

 

[flooredyas]

Given Romo's status, Kafka is worth monitoring, at least for me. I think Vick will be forced to sit out this coming week via concussion status and Kafka looked solid last night.

Reminicent of last year somehow.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I drafted Flacco as my regular backup but took Young in the last round as my 2nd backup just in case. Young has value basically to me and nobody else I figure. After the draft, a couple of other owners told me they had thought about taking Young at the end themselves. This is a 10-teamer FWIW. I think a Young handcuff is a logical move given how easily I think he'd get plugged into the offense.-QG

I would like to amend and revise my remarks. Um, Young is NOT the logical move :( Will be checking waivers for #3 now - not sure that Kafka is the logical move. Going to 4 QBs also not a logical move.With 20/20 hindsight, keeping McFadden instead of Vick and slightly over-drafting Stafford may have been the move. *sigh*-QG

 

[renesauz]

Kafka is the play. ESPECIALLY next week at home against that horrible Giants secondary.

 

[Irish Catholic]

Is no one worried about Vick's long term value this year as a result of the concussion? Feel like I've seen almost no discussion past this week's potential plug and play. I've always thought concussions have lingering effects and that another event could sideline him for an extended time.

Really tempted to trade him if I can get close to full value. No one else worried?

 

[Raider Nation]

Couple of things:

Sal Palantonio reported from Philly earlier tonight. He said the team will be very cautious with their $100M man, and that the Eagles trainer has a history of bringing players back successfully from concussions -- through patience. Reading between the lines, I expect Vick to sit this week. I'd say they have a pretty fair chance to beat the depleted Giants at home even without him.

Even if he DOES play, I think he'll be under strict orders to run only if absolutely necessary, so you may not get a typical Vick rushing performance anyway.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Couple of things:Sal Palantonio reported from Philly earlier tonight. He said the team will be very cautious with their $100M man, and that the Eagles trainer has a history of bringing players back successfully from concussions -- through patience. Reading between the lines, I expect Vick to sit this week. I'd say they have a pretty fair chance to beat the depleted Giants at home even without him.Even if he DOES play, I think he'll be under strict orders to run only if absolutely necessary, so you may not get a typical Vick rushing performance anyway.

I'm no doctor, but the play that caused Vick's injury on MNF didn't seem to have a whole lot of velocity (fell down awkwardly into his lineman). I wouldn't be surprised if Vick is already good to go (minus whatever damage he did when he bit his tongue) but you may be right. If he practices by Friday he'll certainly play Sunday.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's got nothing to do with how he feels or when he practices. There is a protocol after all concussions which must be adhered to:

The Philadelphia Eagles are hoping Michael Vick's concussion is "slight" as described by Philadelphia Inquirer's Jeff McLane. However, these days in the NFL, all concussions are considered serious - and there is no such thing as a "slight" concussion.

The NFL has made head injury a primary awareness through its concussion policies and even the NFL policy on hits that lead with their head. With the new NFL head injury policy and procedures, there will be no Michael Vick -regardless of how "slight" his concussion may seem- until he is cleared by doctors.

So what is Michael Vick and the Eagles staff dealing with this week?

The NFL has setup a Health and Safety Website and included several memo's related to concussions and the treatment of a concussed player. Some symptoms (headaches, dizziness, fatigue,etc) may worsen with increased physical and mental exertion several hours or even days after the injury occurs.

The NFL Locker Room Concussion Awareness Poster - Concussion Facts:

* Concussion is a brain injury that alters the way your brain functions.

* Concussion can occur from a blow to the head/body:

* Most concussions occur without being knocked unconscious.

* Severity of injury depends on many factors and is not known until symptoms resolve and brain function is back to normal.

* All concussions are not created equally. Each player is different, each injury is different, and all injuries should be evaluated by your team medical staff.

The key to the concussion facts poster is "Severity of injury depends on many factors and is not known until symptoms resolve and brain function is back to normal."

How does one know when they have their concussion symptoms resolved and brain function is back to normal?

In addition to symptoms subsiding, the NFL has standardized the concussion sideline baseline test and Vick must be cleared by a team and an independent neurologist. The baseline sideline test is consistent throughout the league and is based on a scoring system that tests orientation, word recall, concentration and balance.

 

[Mindgame]

I have Cutler as my back up for Vick right now...Cutler better have a good game wtf