Vick To Take LOA (1 Viewer)

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Going to be some hurting fantasy teams out there now.

Shouldn't be - this has been on the horizon for a while- even before the indictment it smelled.

Some of us play in dynasties and are now stuck playing Rex Grossman.Have some compassion for others.

I have no compassion for those with so little sense they hitched their trailer to Vick.One of the things that separate the men from the boys.

Tell me again what part of playing a pretend football game with numbers separates men from boys.

It is a figure of speech. I will try and use small words so as not to further confuse you. It is a way to separate those who pay attention and understand this hobby of ours from those who are just contributing to the prize pool year after year.

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.If you really understood the hobby, you'd know that it's really just a game that men, boys, women (and maybe some girls) play as well. Your attempt to belittle a dynasty owner backfired. You happen to be right about Vick, but your assertation is, like I said, embarrassing. Remember where you are (a fantasy football message board on the Internet) and what you're doing (playing a pretend football game based on statistics) and you might be less likely to think it has anything to do with separating men from boys. Good luck this season.Neil

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

My point wasn't to try and find other crimes on par with dog fighting. For some people it evokes a very emotional response and would rank very high on their list of heinous acts. Hopefully not higher than child abuse or violent crimes to people, but I'll bet not very far behind.You could take the hardward store example and cross it with the child pornographer (being a child pornographer shouldn't affect your ability to work in a hardware store) or take the daycare example and cross it with the thief (I'll bet some thiefs are very good parents). I think you get the same results (i.e. the business owner would need to act to protect his business notwithstanding the person was not yet found guilty of the crime).For Vick's sake, I hope this is all a bunch of hooey and he did not commit any crimes and comes out of this vindicated. I think the odds of that happenning are remote given the allegations and alleged supporting evidence etc.We'll see.

Michael Vick has already admitted that he owned the home where dogfighting took place. "My family took advantage of me" does not shield you from the law. "I didn't know" is not an acceptable defense. On that alone he could be suspended by the league. We'll see about the rest, but it doesn't look good for him.

 

[IM666]

"I didn't know" is not an acceptable defense.

It depends on what the definition of "is" is

 

[IvanKaramazov]

You make a good point, though I dont think it is apples to apples comparing day care/child porn to Vick/Dog fighting. Dog fighting doesnt effect Vick to do his job

Yes it does. Vick's job is to put sell tickets for the Atlanta Falcons. It is very clear that his ability to do his job has been greatly diminished as a result of these allegations.

You honestly think there would be a decrease in ticket sales for games which Vick is a part of? I would bet the opposite. It would be similar to a car crash...people can not look away. It would not be good attention for the NFL, but the ticket sales would not suffer. As well, for the most part, the people who are very adamant/picketing about the dog fighting acts are people who would normally not buy NFL tickets anyways. Not saying that dog-fighting is ok by any means, but the average NFL fan would not boycott an NFL game or not get Falcon season tickets because of a dog fighting charge against Vick.The NFL is not ordering Vick to take a LOA to save the Atlanta Falcon ticket sales revenue stream, it's to put the NFL in the proper light as a whole (i.e. TV, advertising, etc.)

I don't disagree with the last paragraph. The main thing is to realize that Vick's "job" is to raise revenue for his employer (the Atlanta Falcons and/or the NFL) by entertaining fans. Anything that jeopardizes that revenue stream prevents him from doing his job. And the league clearly believes that his ability to perform has been negatively affected by his dogfighting.

 

[j3r3m3y]

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.

Jebus! It is a common expression. Lighten up Francis!This ones on me, you need to relax a little.

 

[sgaljour]

Where's Vick now? Keep'n it REEL!

What a loser.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.

Jebus! It is a common expression. Lighten up Francis!This ones on me, you need to relax a little.

Well, Stripes is one of my favorites....

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Going to be some hurting fantasy teams out there now.

Shouldn't be - this has been on the horizon for a while- even before the indictment it smelled.

Some of us play in dynasties and are now stuck playing Rex Grossman.Have some compassion for others.

Your vick schtick has gone so far beyond tiresome, its embarrassing. Just stop.

I keep trying to stop, but get dragged back in with comments like the above.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Going to be some hurting fantasy teams out there now.

Shouldn't be - this has been on the horizon for a while- even before the indictment it smelled.

Some of us play in dynasties and are now stuck playing Rex Grossman.Have some compassion for others.

Your vick schtick has gone so far beyond tiresome, its embarrassing. Just stop.

I keep trying to stop, but get dragged back in with comments like the above.

I am good with the softball set ups - I practice in front of the mirror all the time.

 

[zDwinger]

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.

Jebus! It is a common expression. Lighten up Francis!This ones on me, you need to relax a little.

Agreed.

 

[mad sweeney]

Going to be some hurting fantasy teams out there now.

Shouldn't be - this has been on the horizon for a while- even before the indictment it smelled.

Some of us play in dynasties and are now stuck playing Rex Grossman.Have some compassion for others.

Your vick schtick has gone so far beyond tiresome, its embarrassing. Just stop.

Now this to me, seems like a simple attempt at humor. More a self deprecating poke at his own team and a staba t Grossman rather than any pro-Vick shtick. I think he pretty much gave that up.

He's gone way to far to start playing the "self-deprecating humor" card now. From someone else, it might be funny, but not in this case.

I think he's cleared his position on it and has made an effort to move on. If you're not okay with it that's fine, but I interpret it as a return to the FF ramifications of Vick's departure rather than any further pro-Vick rantings.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Some interesting analysis on Goodell's leverage on Vick through the personal conduct policy re: associating with gamblers/gambling. From Pro Football Weekly's Mike Wilkening.

Notice how the NFL's investigation will focus on whether Vick violated league policies, and not just the personal-conduct policy. The indictment alleges Vick gambled on dogfights, and that could put in him in violation of the NFL's policy on gambling, which holds that "associating with gamblers or gambling activities in a manner tending to bring discredit to the NFL" is considered "conduct detrimental" to the NFL. Such conduct, per the policy, could merit "serious" or "severe" penalties.

The personal-conduct policy holds that an employee of the NFL or its member clubs is "held to higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in a conviction of a crime."

The conduct policy also states that the league may discipline players who have engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players." Discipline, according to the NFL, "may take the form of fines, suspension or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement."

P.S. I posted this in the Blank Presser thread too. MW

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.

Jebus! It is a common expression. Lighten up Francis!This ones on me, you need to relax a little.

Agreed.

I don't expect it to be a popular position on a fantasy football forum, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Family Matters]

Some interesting analysis on Goodell's leverage on Vick through the personal conduct policy re: associating with gamblers/gambling. From Pro Football Weekly's Mike Wilkening.

Notice how the NFL's investigation will focus on whether Vick violated league policies, and not just the personal-conduct policy. The indictment alleges Vick gambled on dogfights, and that could put in him in violation of the NFL's policy on gambling, which holds that "associating with gamblers or gambling activities in a manner tending to bring discredit to the NFL" is considered "conduct detrimental" to the NFL. Such conduct, per the policy, could merit "serious" or "severe" penalties.

The personal-conduct policy holds that an employee of the NFL or its member clubs is "held to higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in a conviction of a crime."

The conduct policy also states that the league may discipline players who have engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players." Discipline, according to the NFL, "may take the form of fines, suspension or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement."

P.S. I posted this in the Blank Presser thread too. MW

That doesn't leave Vick much wiggle room does it? What are the odds he's going to be trapped by his actions in more than 1 way? Did I say odds? Opps.

 

[j3r3m3y]

You can use all the big words you want; just try to use them properly next time. To imply you're separating men from boys playing a pretend football game is embarrassing not just for you, but for everyone playing it. It would be like a guy wearing chain mail telling his fellow characters to "man up" before a big battle. It's absurd on so many levels, I'd think you'd catch at least one of them.

Jebus! It is a common expression. Lighten up Francis!This ones on me, you need to relax a little.

Agreed.

I don't expect it to be a popular position on a fantasy football forum, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Uggg, I hate threadjacks but I feel I need to respond.When I say it "separates the men from the boys" I am not claiming that, literally, the people who read the situation correctly are men, and the rest are children. It is figurative language. I could have said "separates the wheat from the chaff" or "separates the sharks from the guppies". All it means is that little things separate those who consistently win from those who do not. Playing "pretend football" is a competitive activity, and I realize it is just a game, the point of the game is to win. It is not embarrassing to perform as well as you can in ANY endeavor, so long as you do not cheat or engage in poor sportsmanship.I am not embarrassed by the fact that I like to win, nor should anyone be. Your position is ludicrous.Back on topic:I agree with Wimmer that the whole gambling association pulls this in even a whole new direction. It probably gives the NFL even more power to act harshly should anything be proven. I see potential for a lifetime ban here.

 

[Ed4252]

This is the new rumor just out on Vick:

"A source who holds a fairly high-level position with one of the 32 NFL franchises tells us that "many" folks in the league think that Michael Vick will never play again in the NFL.

We've suspected that, even if Vick is acquitted of all pending federal charges and possible state charges, he likely won't find a home with another NFL team. For starters, he's simply not that good of a passer. And once his legs start to go, he'll be just another guy. When you match those skills with the fact that any team that signs him will instantly be targeted for protests and harassment, we can't imagine anyone touching him.

Not even that widely-regard haven for miscreants situated on the eastern rim of the San Francisco Bay.

If Vick is convicted after a public trial involving detailed testimony of dog fights and canine killings, he won't be back, either.

We still believe that his only hope is to strike a deal now, do his time, throw himself at the mercy of the fans and the league, and hope for redemption. I mean, if Marv Albert can return to the top of the broadcasting food chain, Vick should at least get a crack at playing pro ball again once he wraps up his tenure with the Mean Machine.

Even then, however, we're not sure that he'd find any takers. The allegations against Vick are probably too unusual and too heinous to allow him to ever be regarded as a guy on which an NFL franchise can justify taking a risk. "

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

 

[cobalt_27]

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

Gee, I can't think of one good reason why anyone with a brain would have elected this route.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

Gee, I can't think of one good reason why anyone with a brain would have elected this route.

depends what he offered

 

[Ed4252]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

 

[cobalt_27]

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

Gee, I can't think of one good reason why anyone with a brain would have elected this route.

depends what he offered

Unless it was O.J. Simpson or Rae Carruth, I can't imagine how you'd want any piece of Vick at this point.

 

[cobalt_27]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

 

[Ed4252]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

 

[cobalt_27]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

I can't.

 

[fruity pebbles]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

I'd rather have Vick than that in a dynasty as well.

 

[cobalt_27]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

I'd rather have Vick than that in a dynasty as well.

If you think he'll escape a federal indictment, perhaps. Odds of that look very poor. And, it's not like we're dealing with Dan Marino or Warren Moon here, either, so even if he lands a 5% lottery chance of avoiding jail-time, the return on any investment isn't likely to benefit an owner much.I'd take my chances with DA and tha 4th rounder.

 

[fruity pebbles]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

I'd rather have Vick than that in a dynasty as well.

If you think he'll escape a federal indictment, perhaps. Odds of that look very poor. And, it's not like we're dealing with Dan Marino or Warren Moon here, either, so even if he lands a 5% lottery chance of avoiding jail-time, the return on any investment isn't likely to benefit an owner much.I'd take my chances with DA and tha 4th rounder.

with his team of lawyers, his odds are a lot better than 5%. I'd take even 10% odds of Vick making it back than Derek Anderson. Vick is a very good fantasy QB, top 5 in many scoring systems.

 

[Family Matters]

This is the new rumor just out on Vick:"A source who holds a fairly high-level position with one of the 32 NFL franchises tells us that "many" folks in the league think that Michael Vick will never play again in the NFL.We've suspected that, even if Vick is acquitted of all pending federal charges and possible state charges, he likely won't find a home with another NFL team. For starters, he's simply not that good of a passer. And once his legs start to go, he'll be just another guy. When you match those skills with the fact that any team that signs him will instantly be targeted for protests and harassment, we can't imagine anyone touching him.Not even that widely-regard haven for miscreants situated on the eastern rim of the San Francisco Bay.If Vick is convicted after a public trial involving detailed testimony of dog fights and canine killings, he won't be back, either.We still believe that his only hope is to strike a deal now, do his time, throw himself at the mercy of the fans and the league, and hope for redemption. I mean, if Marv Albert can return to the top of the broadcasting food chain, Vick should at least get a crack at playing pro ball again once he wraps up his tenure with the Mean Machine.Even then, however, we're not sure that he'd find any takers. The allegations against Vick are probably too unusual and too heinous to allow him to ever be regarded as a guy on which an NFL franchise can justify taking a risk. "Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

IMO-if true, the basis for this understanding has to be the gambling aspect. If he's found innocent but there's enough evidence by the NFL's standard that Vick was/is associated with gamblers, then he'll never see the field again. Gambling is the one thing that'll get you removed from any pro sports venue. Or at least the majors, NBA,NFL & MLB. NHL hasn't yet proven they're among the intolerant to gambling groups.

 

[mad sweeney]

It was pretty much a junk for junk trade

So, what was the garbage you were going to send?

He rejected a Derek Anderson + 4th rd rookie pick in a dynasty league. It's a 12 team league where we have to start 2 QBs so I can understand why he rejected it.

I'd rather have Vick than that in a dynasty as well.

If you think he'll escape a federal indictment, perhaps. Odds of that look very poor. And, it's not like we're dealing with Dan Marino or Warren Moon here, either, so even if he lands a 5% lottery chance of avoiding jail-time, the return on any investment isn't likely to benefit an owner much.I'd take my chances with DA and tha 4th rounder.

with his team of lawyers, his odds are a lot better than 5%. I'd take even 10% odds of Vick making it back than Derek Anderson. Vick is a very good fantasy QB, top 5 in many scoring systems.

Those odds are taking into account clients like Enron and Adelphia types, and Libbys and such. So, big money hotshots have been factored into the equation. And some of those guys had money that makes Vick look poorer than me. So realistically, I don't see how you can inflate his chances, although mathematically he very well could have a better chance than 5%. But I really don't see how you can adjust his averages being as how he isn't the only guy to go through the system with great lawyers. You could lower his chances just as much as raise them.

 

[Family Matters]

This is the new rumor just out on Vick:

"A source who holds a fairly high-level position with one of the 32 NFL franchises tells us that "many" folks in the league think that Michael Vick will never play again in the NFL.

We've suspected that, even if Vick is acquitted of all pending federal charges and possible state charges, he likely won't find a home with another NFL team. For starters, he's simply not that good of a passer. And once his legs start to go, he'll be just another guy. When you match those skills with the fact that any team that signs him will instantly be targeted for protests and harassment, we can't imagine anyone touching him.

Not even that widely-regard haven for miscreants situated on the eastern rim of the San Francisco Bay.

If Vick is convicted after a public trial involving detailed testimony of dog fights and canine killings, he won't be back, either.

We still believe that his only hope is to strike a deal now, do his time, throw himself at the mercy of the fans and the league, and hope for redemption. I mean, if Marv Albert can return to the top of the broadcasting food chain, Vick should at least get a crack at playing pro ball again once he wraps up his tenure with the Mean Machine.

Even then, however, we're not sure that he'd find any takers. The allegations against Vick are probably too unusual and too heinous to allow him to ever be regarded as a guy on which an NFL franchise can justify taking a risk. "

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

IMO-if true, the basis for this understanding has to be the gambling aspect. If he's found innocent but there's enough evidence by the NFL's standard that Vick was/is associated with gamblers, then he'll never see the field again. Gambling is the one thing that'll get you removed from any pro sports venue. Or at least the majors, NBA,NFL & MLB. NHL hasn't yet proven they're among the intolerant to gambling groups.

I realize quoting one's self is usually in bad taste, but I read this at PFT and it reminded me of where the other story is in regards to Vick. In fact, the gambling issue may be the one that keeps Vick from playing again, ever. I realize this is just PFT talking here, but the real media can't be far behind. Here's their take:

WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE GAMBLING?

One thing we've noticed in the eight days since Mike Vick was indicted is that hardly anyone is discussing the fact that Vick is charged with conspiracy not only to engage in interstate dog fighting, but also with conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling enterprise.

So why is no one talking about the gambling aspect of this?

If Mike Vick gets a rush out of betting $10,000 on one of his dogs to rip someone else's dog to shreds, would he not also get a thrill out of betting $10,000 on himself to beat the 49ers by more than six points?

And would a revelation that Vick's erratic performances over the years, with one "up" week often followed by one "down" week, might be the result of an extension of his gambling habit not be an even bigger threat to the overall image of the league than proof of the stuff Mike might have been doing in his "free" time?

Maybe that's why the NFL and/or the Falcons aren't talking much about the gambling angle. Maybe the league and the team realize that it possibly could have its own Tim Donaghy situation on their hands, and that this one could threaten to reduce the overall credibility of the league to the level of pro wrestling.

We're not saying that Vick bet on (or, God forbid, against) his team, or that he intentionally played poorly one week to drive the line down for the following week. And we hope nothing like that has happened to the sport we love, or ever will.

But we can't help but think that the failure of the league and the Falcons to acknowledge the fact that the charges pending against Vick are as much about gambling as they are about dog fighting makes us wonder whether the powers-that-be aren't secretly soiling their scivvies over the possibility that the in-house investigation will reveal that Vick's gambling habit wasn't confined to the blackjack tables and the dog-fighting pits.

 

[Mark Wimer]

This is the new rumor just out on Vick:

"A source who holds a fairly high-level position with one of the 32 NFL franchises tells us that "many" folks in the league think that Michael Vick will never play again in the NFL.

We've suspected that, even if Vick is acquitted of all pending federal charges and possible state charges, he likely won't find a home with another NFL team. For starters, he's simply not that good of a passer. And once his legs start to go, he'll be just another guy. When you match those skills with the fact that any team that signs him will instantly be targeted for protests and harassment, we can't imagine anyone touching him.

Not even that widely-regard haven for miscreants situated on the eastern rim of the San Francisco Bay.

If Vick is convicted after a public trial involving detailed testimony of dog fights and canine killings, he won't be back, either.

We still believe that his only hope is to strike a deal now, do his time, throw himself at the mercy of the fans and the league, and hope for redemption. I mean, if Marv Albert can return to the top of the broadcasting food chain, Vick should at least get a crack at playing pro ball again once he wraps up his tenure with the Mean Machine.

Even then, however, we're not sure that he'd find any takers. The allegations against Vick are probably too unusual and too heinous to allow him to ever be regarded as a guy on which an NFL franchise can justify taking a risk. "

Good thing the owner in my league didn't accept that trade I offered him YESTERDAY lol when I tried to trade for Vick.

IMO-if true, the basis for this understanding has to be the gambling aspect. If he's found innocent but there's enough evidence by the NFL's standard that Vick was/is associated with gamblers, then he'll never see the field again. Gambling is the one thing that'll get you removed from any pro sports venue. Or at least the majors, NBA,NFL & MLB. NHL hasn't yet proven they're among the intolerant to gambling groups.

I realize quoting one's self is usually in bad taste, but I read this at PFT and it reminded me of where the other story is in regards to Vick. In fact, the gambling issue may be the one that keeps Vick from playing again, ever. I realize this is just PFT talking here, but the real media can't be far behind. Here's their take:

WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE GAMBLING?

One thing we've noticed in the eight days since Mike Vick was indicted is that hardly anyone is discussing the fact that Vick is charged with conspiracy not only to engage in interstate dog fighting, but also with conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling enterprise.

So why is no one talking about the gambling aspect of this?

If Mike Vick gets a rush out of betting $10,000 on one of his dogs to rip someone else's dog to shreds, would he not also get a thrill out of betting $10,000 on himself to beat the 49ers by more than six points?

And would a revelation that Vick's erratic performances over the years, with one "up" week often followed by one "down" week, might be the result of an extension of his gambling habit not be an even bigger threat to the overall image of the league than proof of the stuff Mike might have been doing in his "free" time?

Maybe that's why the NFL and/or the Falcons aren't talking much about the gambling angle. Maybe the league and the team realize that it possibly could have its own Tim Donaghy situation on their hands, and that this one could threaten to reduce the overall credibility of the league to the level of pro wrestling.

We're not saying that Vick bet on (or, God forbid, against) his team, or that he intentionally played poorly one week to drive the line down for the following week. And we hope nothing like that has happened to the sport we love, or ever will.

But we can't help but think that the failure of the league and the Falcons to acknowledge the fact that the charges pending against Vick are as much about gambling as they are about dog fighting makes us wonder whether the powers-that-be aren't secretly soiling their scivvies over the possibility that the in-house investigation will reveal that Vick's gambling habit wasn't confined to the blackjack tables and the dog-fighting pits.

Several legal analysts that I have read/heard over the past 2-3 days have said that they expect the Federal prosecutors to push for a trial by jury (even if the Vick camp wants to waive their right to a trial by jury) due to the overwhelming and disgusting evidence about the animal cruelty/dogfighting operation that will inflame a jury against the prospective defendants.However, some of those analysts have gone on to point out that the government is likely to acentuate their prosecution/sentencing requests with the gambling aspect once the jury is totally PO'd at Vick and company. The Feds aren't talking about their trial strategy, obviously, but several observers have floated various scenarios - I'll link a few below:

Borderline Pornographic Violence will be presented to Jury - Munson

Vick Indictment: Sentencing Guidelines Advisory only - Dogfighting, Illegal Gambling at issue

The gambling aspect of this case is where Goodell and the league office are headed, I'm pretty sure. They have the latitude to suspend Vick on the basis of the illegal gambling/associating with known gamblers regardless of a legal conviction or no conviction, as I noted in the post above.

My .02 on 7/26.

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe they set the trial date at 11/26.

 

[Big Score]

I believe they set the trial date at 11/26.

You believe correctly.

 

[MBH_14]

not sure if this has been posted, but got this news from rotowire:

News: Two NFL sources have indicated that commissioner Roger Goodell will likely announce this week or next that Vick will be suspended for the 2007 season, Yahoo Sports reports.

Spin: Vick has already been told by the commish to not to report to training camp in the wake of his alleged involvement in a dogfighting operation. Vick is of course innocent until proven guilty, but that's not going to stop the NFL from taking action. What is unclear is whether Vick (if he is in fact suspended) would be allowed to return to the Falcons this season if he ends up being acquitted at his trial, scheduled for November. Either way, by now, it is no secret that he is a huge fantasy risk.

 

[Chaka]

Did he specify a length of time?

One to five years.