Vick vs. Brady for MVP (1 Viewer)

[fred_1_15301]

No disrepect for Vick, but IMHO Brady is by far the better QB and has a much better coach.

Not sure what the coach has to do with an MVP award but I agree that Brady is the unequivocal MVP of the league.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think tonight's nationally televised home loss when they needed a win made any talk of MVP over Brady evaporate.

Great comeback year for Vick though, he'll get that award.

 

[bostonfred]

I think tonight's nationally televised home loss when they needed a win made any talk of MVP over Brady evaporate.Great comeback year for Vick though, he'll get that award.

Agreed, but can't believe that the comeback award will go to a guy who came back from going to jail for killing dogs. I guess that's a comeback, but it's probably not how the originators of the award envisioned it working out...

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Please remove this terrible poll. Touchdown Tom

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

No disrepect for Vick, but IMHO Brady is by far the better QB and has a much better coach.

Not sure what the coach has to do with an MVP award but I agree that Brady is the unequivocal MVP of the league.

Could you imagine Brady having Jackson and Macklin?

 

[PMENFAN]

No disrepect for Vick, but IMHO Brady is by far the better QB and has a much better coach.

Not sure what the coach has to do with an MVP award but I agree that Brady is the unequivocal MVP of the league.

Could you imagine Brady having Jackson and Macklin?

No I can't. We saw what he did w/ Moss/Welker/Stallworth. That is what impresses me most about Brady through the years. He's never had a top flight WR. Welker is great in the slop, but he's not going to break that 60+ td several times a year. Vicks success came a lot from heaving it down the field and letting Jackson/Maclin go get it. TEams have stopped that (except the Giants for 7 minutes) and he's been pretty pedestrian. This week, with a chance at home to keep his team in the h;unt for a bye, he didn't get it done. Earlier in the thread we talked about total yards. He put up a lot of yards, but they only got to the end zone 2x. Contrast that w/ Brady who operates with great efficiency. Give them a short field and you pay. The discussion isn't over, but I think the award will go to a deserving Tom Brady. Records Brady is working now. Most passes w.o an int. (~119)Consecutive games w/ at least 2 TD/0 Int (I believe this is 7 now)Home victories by a QB. (It's twenty something.)

 

[DropKick]

In your opinion how many games should a MVP candidate be allowed to miss yet be MVP? There has to be some right....I mean you don't think Rex Grossman should be MVP nor would you select Vincent Jackson.

Brady can miss games, too; if the Pats win this weekend at Buffalo, he'll sit most or all of week 17. The Eagles are likely to have something to play for in week 17.If that happens, Vick will likely end up with more total yards than Brady, and close to the same number of TDs, in 2-3 fewer games.

That may happen, but it would be a change from the way the Patriots have done business in week 17 over the past decade.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, it's certainly plausible that Vick puts up numbers as good or better than Brady in fewer games; if he does that, I don't see how you can claim that the guy who put up the same numbers in more games is a better MVP candidate than the guy who put up the same numbers in fewer games.Currently:

Brady 3578 total yards, 32 total TD, 4 INT

Vick 3368 total yards, 28 total TD, 5 INT

On a per-game basis, Vick is averaging 50+ yards more than Brady, so even if they both play two full games, Vick could catch him in total yardage. Brady will probably keep his lead in TDs if he plays two full games, but even there Vick could catch him.

Anyway, my point is that if two guys put up similar numbers, one of them in 16 games and one in 13, the guy who did it in 13 is more valuable.

I don't put the same weight on pure production as you. I want my QB to make very few mistakes and do what he needs to do to win the game. Because, after all, winning football games is what matters most. For example, Brady only had 140 years passing yesterday. This is, in part, due to turnovers in Buffalo territory and a game plan that emphasized the running game. Eli went over 300... who had the better day? In their past five games, Brady has one interception/fumble. Vick has twelve (of course, not all fumbles are lost). I'll take the guy with a long, proven track record who has secured the #1 seed and home field advantage.I'm not a Vick hater - I'm happy to see him resurrect his career and enjoy watching him play. He is an incredible dual threat athlete. The rushing numbers really put him in the conversation. But they could also be his downfall. I don't want my QB exposed to those extra hits. It can all end in a hurry.

Three more turnovers and a bad day for Vick despite a beatable opponent. The race is over. Although, it would have been difficult to beat out Brady given the dog history. Fair or not, I think that is reality.I see quite a few posts comparing stats. I guess this is a natural yardstick for a FF community. Individual statistics drive fantasy valuation but this can be very different from NFL value - especially at the QB position. How many times does a QB throw for 300-400 yards and lose the game? Often, the numbers are inflated because the team is behind. Roethlisberger threw for 387 yards earlier this season with 300+ coming in the 4th quarter as New England nursed a big lead. Great for fantasy. Not so great for the team. I'm not knocking Ben - just using this as an example.

Again, the bottom line is winning. Stats are influenced by multiple factors including offensive philosophy, game situation, etc. I'll take a QB that can control the game and win it with his arm - if necessary.

PS. Dear Santa, still waiting for the pony... And a QB for the Dolphins... Please hurry.

 

[DropKick]

No disrepect for Vick, but IMHO Brady is by far the better QB and has a much better coach.

Not sure what the coach has to do with an MVP award but I agree that Brady is the unequivocal MVP of the league.

Could you imagine Brady having Jackson and Macklin?

No I can't. We saw what he did w/ Moss/Welker/Stallworth. That is what impresses me most about Brady through the years. He's never had a top flight WR. Welker is great in the slop, but he's not going to break that 60+ td several times a year.

Vicks success came a lot from heaving it down the field and letting Jackson/Maclin go get it. TEams have stopped that (except the Giants for 7 minutes) and he's been pretty pedestrian.

This week, with a chance at home to keep his team in the h;unt for a bye, he didn't get it done. Earlier in the thread we talked about total yards. He put up a lot of yards, but they only got to the end zone 2x. Contrast that w/ Brady who operates with great efficiency. Give them a short field and you pay.

The discussion isn't over, but I think the award will go to a deserving Tom Brady.

Records Brady is working now.

Most passes w.o an int. (~119)

Consecutive games w/ at least 2 TD/0 Int (I believe this is 7 now)

Home victories by a QB. (It's twenty something.)

No doubt he is having a great season. The no INT streak is ~319 (although he got very lucky against the Packers). In fact, the last pick was a Hail Mary bomb. Incredible to go through a season with only four picks. Consecutive home victories is a regular season thing so it doesn't include the spanking from the Ravens last post season. That record is somewhat meaningless to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Brady should and will win it, but the consecutive wins at home streak is absolutely meaningless to the discussion. The MVP award is for 2010, and a streak that spans multiple seasons is irrelevant.

 

[LHUCKS]

In my mind, Brady locked it up after last night.

Vick is the most exciting player, but Brady is the MVP and I don't think it's really close now.

 

[Big_Russel]

Imagine they gave it to Peyton.

I think All five* New England States would explode and sink into the atlantic.

*I dont count CT

 

[Warsteinner]

Imagine they gave it to Peyton. I think All five* New England States would explode and sink into the atlantic.*I dont count CT

I don't imagine Peyton has done anything to even deserve consideration has he?

 

[Jous]

Imagine they gave it to Peyton. I think All five* New England States would explode and sink into the atlantic.*I dont count CT

I don't imagine Peyton has done anything to even deserve consideration has he?

I dunno... he might get a vote or two. I'd probably give him 3rd place after Brady and Vick. His numbers are a little down by his standards and he had a couple bad games, but he's still most likely leading his team to a division championship despite a horribly injured offense and an at best very mediocre defense.

 

[Go deep]

Its a two person race now, Tom Brady vs. Jamaal Charles.Alright, i know Charles doesnt have a chance, but he should.

I would agree with you except Charles doesn't touch the ball enough. It's not his fault, and he's having a hell of a season but the touches just aren't there. I'd like to see what he could have done with more myself.

I think it is even more impressive what he did with the amount of touches he got. He will finish with near 2000 yards with less than 300 touches. When you factor in that he averaged 6.4 YPC and his teammate only averaged 3.7, it should be clear how valuable he was to the team.Bradys int number is impressive, but the Patriots were at the bottom of the league in pass attempts, and his yardage and TD's arent that much better than Eli Mannings.Either way, i know none of that matters, if Tom Brady has a better year than Peyton, he is getting it. They may as well rename the award to the Brady/Manning trophy.

Brady's TD to INT ratio is a ridiculous 8.5, easily beating the previous record of 6.5 (set by Brady in 2007). He leads the league in TDs and passer rating (7th all time in single season passer rating). He's 11th in pass attempts and 6th in passing yards.I really don't think the Brady name has much to do with the MVP this year. He's pretty much earned it.

He earned it, im just saying its a QB trophy, and it shouldnt be. Charles was every bit as important to his team, and probably more so. Any good QB could put up similar numbers is the Patriots system, no RB in the league could have done what Charles did.

 

[captain_amazing]

Imagine they gave it to Peyton.

I think All five* New England States would explode and sink into the atlantic.

*I dont count CT

 

[shortbow]

Imagine they gave it to Peyton. I think All five* New England States would explode and sink into the atlantic.*I dont count CT

I wouldnt be surprised by either of those happening.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

 

[David Yudkin]

This game has nothing to do with the MVP balloting.

 

[pghrob]

Brady...he had much less to work with this season.

 

[pghrob]

But if VIck leads the Eagles to victory against the Packers with less than 2 minutes to go, after his coaches try to take his helmet to keep him from going back out hurt, well...I might rethink it. What a great game this wildcard game is.

 

[David Yudkin]

But if VIck leads the Eagles to victory against the Packers with less than 2 minutes to go, after his coaches try to take his helmet to keep him from going back out hurt, well...I might rethink it. What a great game this wildcard game is.

Let's try this again. THIS GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO IN THE MVP VOTING.The votes have already be cast and tabulated. There already is a wineer.

 

[pghrob]

Thanks David for getting me straight there. Would not matter anyway. 1. Vick threw the pick that lost it, 2. I never had a vote that counted, and 3. I missed the vote even if I did. But thanks for starting the thread.

 

[Eminence]

I believe it's called the REGULAR SEASON MVP. If you're going to use this against Vick's case for MVP; then we should definitely take a few of Peyton Manning's MVPs away because he's choked in the post-season. And that would be awful logic.

(I'm a Brady MVP advocate, BTW.)

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

This is a joke that this is a thread!!!!

MIke Vick should be electrocuted and drowned for costing his team a playoff win.