Vick vs Harrington (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.

Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

 

[SSOG]

Nothing odd about it. Joey Harrington has always been one of the hardest-to-sack QBs in the entire game, mostly because he's more than willing to just throw the ball away rather than hang in the pocket and wait for something to develop. Meanwhile, Vick is one of the most sacked QBs in the league, simply because he has too much faith in his own abilities- he always believes he's going to be able to escape, which means he never, ever gets rid of the ball, under any circumstances.

In fact, almost all mobile QBs tend to get sacked at a significantly higher rate than their immobile brethren.

 

[Da Guru]

Nothing odd about it. Joey Harrington has always been one of the hardest-to-sack QBs in the entire game, mostly because he's more than willing to just throw the ball away rather than hang in the pocket and wait for something to develop. Meanwhile, Vick is one of the most sacked QBs in the league, simply because he has too much faith in his own abilities- he always believes he's going to be able to escape, which means he never, ever gets rid of the ball, under any circumstances.In fact, almost all mobile QBs tend to get sacked at a significantly higher rate than their immobile brethren.

Then the word mobile is actually a misnomer.

 

[W1cked]

Joey Checkdown.. no suprise here.

 

[Jason Wood]

Nothing odd about it. Joey Harrington has always been one of the hardest-to-sack QBs in the entire game, mostly because he's more than willing to just throw the ball away rather than hang in the pocket and wait for something to develop. Meanwhile, Vick is one of the most sacked QBs in the league, simply because he has too much faith in his own abilities- he always believes he's going to be able to escape, which means he never, ever gets rid of the ball, under any circumstances.In fact, almost all mobile QBs tend to get sacked at a significantly higher rate than their immobile brethren.

Then the word mobile is actually a misnomer.

Actually it's not...mobile, by definition, means "capable of moving or being moved readily."People's interpretation of "mobile" is what's flawed. When people highlight how mobile a QB as it relates to the pass rush, they're simply using a poor choose of adjective. They really mean "escapable" or "evasive" or "elusive."

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I am really curious about the average times of how long it took to sack Harrington compared to how long it took to sack Vick.

 

[Swamprat]

Nothing odd about it. Joey Harrington has always been one of the hardest-to-sack QBs in the entire game, mostly because he's more than willing to just throw the ball away rather than hang in the pocket and wait for something to develop. Meanwhile, Vick is one of the most sacked QBs in the league, simply because he has too much faith in his own abilities- he always believes he's going to be able to escape, which means he never, ever gets rid of the ball, under any circumstances.In fact, almost all mobile QBs tend to get sacked at a significantly higher rate than their immobile brethren.

Then the word mobile is actually a misnomer.

Nah....he gets sacked on the run.

 

[trader jake]

I am really curious about the average times of how long it took to sack Harrington compared to how long it took to sack Vick.

 

[NFZ]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

Without looking up the stats I would expect just the opposite to be true about interceptions directly related to your information.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

Without looking up the stats I would expect just the opposite to be true about interceptions directly related to your information.

Vick = 79 turnovers in 72 gamesHarrington = 86 turnovers in 69 games

 

[PainTrain]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

Without looking up the stats I would expect just the opposite to be true about interceptions directly related to your information.

Interesting...It's not as dramatic, but yes.CareerHarrington: 69 games 77 INTVick: 74 games 52 INTOver the last three seasons:Harrington (39 INT): 2006 152005 122004 12Vick (37 INT):2006 132005 132004 12

 

[NFZ]

Vick = 79 turnovers in 72 gamesHarrington = 86 turnovers in 69 games

CareerHarrington: 69 games 77 INTVick: 74 games 52 INT

Wow - nice stat TG. I would not have expected Vick to have that many fumbles lost - which I am assuming makes up the remaining turnovers. This could also be related to him being a 'mobile' QB and holding the ball for a longer period of time and Harrington getting rid of the ball as soon as pressure is in his face. Sorry I am lazy and thanks to you both for posting these.

 

[Da Guru]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

Without looking up the stats I would expect just the opposite to be true about interceptions directly related to your information.

Vick = 79 turnovers in 72 gamesHarrington = 86 turnovers in 69 games

They both seem to be pretty crappy QBs for being the #1 and #3 overall picks.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Joey Harrington in 69 career games has been sacked 92 times.Mike Vick in 72 career games has been sacked 167 times. Go figure.

Without looking up the stats I would expect just the opposite to be true about interceptions directly related to your information.

Vick = 79 turnovers in 72 gamesHarrington = 86 turnovers in 69 games

They both seem to be pretty crappy QBs for being the #1 and #3 overall picks.

 

[kensat30]

Playoff wins:

Vick = 2

Harrington = Do I even need to put a number here?

 

[mad sweeney]

Playoff wins:Vick = 2Harrington = Do I even need to put a number here?

SB winsDilfer=1Vick=0Harrington=0

 

[Da Guru]

Playoff wins:Vick = 2Harrington = Do I even need to put a number here?

Vick had a great defense and ground game..Harrington had..well Harrington had the Lions!

 

[-Crippler-]

Nothing odd about it. Joey Harrington has always been one of the hardest-to-sack QBs in the entire game, mostly because he's more than willing to just throw the ball away rather than hang in the pocket and wait for something to develop. Meanwhile, Vick is one of the most sacked QBs in the league, simply because he has too much faith in his own abilities- he always believes he's going to be able to escape, which means he never, ever gets rid of the ball, under any circumstances.In fact, almost all mobile QBs tend to get sacked at a significantly higher rate than their immobile brethren.

Then the word mobile is actually a misnomer.

Actually it's not...mobile, by definition, means "capable of moving or being moved readily."People's interpretation of "mobile" is what's flawed. When people highlight how mobile a QB as it relates to the pass rush, they're simply using a poor choose of adjective. They really mean "escapable" or "evasive" or "elusive."

Well this thread sure lost my interest quickly...

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Mobile QBs do seem to subject themselves to more sacks. Without doing some research here, I know Culpepper and McNabb were always high up on the list of times sacked, but that's just a small sample size. At least at the moment.

 

[SSOG]

Vick = 79 turnovers in 72 gamesHarrington = 86 turnovers in 69 games

CareerHarrington: 69 games 77 INTVick: 74 games 52 INT

Wow - nice stat TG. I would not have expected Vick to have that many fumbles lost - which I am assuming makes up the remaining turnovers. This could also be related to him being a 'mobile' QB and holding the ball for a longer period of time and Harrington getting rid of the ball as soon as pressure is in his face. Sorry I am lazy and thanks to you both for posting these.

For QBs, fumbles are HIGHLY correlated with sacks. In fact, no play is anywhere NEAR as likely to produce a fumble as a blind-side sack (which, iirc, results in a fumble something like 1 out of every 5 times).

 

[delusional]

forgot the fact that the lions had a horrible coaching staff and players when harrington was there compared to what the falcons had ( great TE, great RB, great OLINE, great DEF )

 

[Capella]

Playoff wins:Vick = 2Harrington = Do I even need to put a number here?

Vick had a great defense and ground game..

 

[Truman]

A great ground game is a given when your QB rushes for 100 yards in the divisional round victory.

 

[dgreen]

Playoff wins:

Vick = 2

Harrington = Do I even need to put a number here?

Vick had a great defense and ground game..Harrington had..well Harrington had the Lions!

And the Lions had Harrington.