Vince Young could be retiring (1 Viewer)

[Disco Stu]

People in football circles tend to find strangeness where most other simply find diversity. Basically if you play football and don't want to meat out all the time they consider you strange. RW obviously had different priorities that rested on spiritual and personal goals rather than financial and football-related.

 

[quickhands]

oohhhhh crap ... Time to put him on suicide watch

Not funny

this reminds me of Dennis Rodman in his waning days or Detroit

 

[the hairy scotsman]

It baffles me that a man who is literally making millions of dollars, and who has an entire team of players depending on him, (not to mention thousands of fans) has no more sense of responsibility than to want to run away from his problems when the going gets tuff. As a person who trains young people coming out of school to work in an adult environment, I see Vince Young as being a typical example of what I call the "self-esteem" generation. That’s what you get when you raise kids in on Dr Spock’s advice, and in a transformational environment developed by people like John Dewey, Benjamin Bloom, Theodore Adorno, and Carl Rogers. Kids coming out of school today have lost the art of conflict and confrontation, and because of it when they meet with criticism they are unable to deal with it constructively. I agree with the already stated premise that Vince Young has been coddled, sheltered, and kept all his life to the point that he doesn’t have the emotional foundation necessary to deal with a mountain load of pressure heaped on him by an overly critical media. And if you pay attention to the role his mother is playing, you see why he can’t cope. His mother is a classic “enabler”. She is keeping VY from facing these pressures head on, and therefore jeopardizing his professional career. What he needs right now is a patriarchal figure to step in and, for lack of a better term, “kick him in the butt”, and tell him to grow up. One can only hope that Steve McNair can fill this role that VY so desperately needs. Maybe he can do for VY what Rod Smith is doing for Brandon Marshall. I don’t feel sorry for VY for the problems he is facing right now. These problems are what he needs. They will force him to either grow into adulthood or to retreat. The bad thing about this is that I see this everyday from young people coming out of school. An entire generation of kids has been shuffled thru school and had their self-esteem inflated to a degree that they are hopelessly egocentric. This is not an isolated incident for a young football player. It’s a widespread epidemic. I predict that you will see this type of behavior significantly increase in the NFL thru the coming years. Vince Young is not the exception…he’s the new rule. My advice to the NFL owners is to invest heavily in a team of psychologists now. The damage has been done, now we must cope with the consequences.

Nice job minimalizing a crippling illness and state that one can't just "snap out of."The dood needs some serious help.

Why is everyone diagnosing "depression"? I agree he's depressed, but that's not always the same thing. Moroever, if he has situational depression as opposed to some sort of a chemical imbalance that represents a longer term and more entrenched problem, don't you agree that those represent two different types of problems? Finally, isn't there a possibility that this "depression" is being falsely used as a cover by a struggling QB who doesn't want to face the music for his professional failures? I think such questiond are getting glossed over a tad in peoples' rush to sympathize unconditionally with Vince Young.

I agree. Some of these posts, like Faletti's, are great. The sympathy is marked by legit concern for him as a human being, not a superstar celeb athlete, with an obvious psychological issue. I'm also appreciative of the lack of piling on by his longtime detractors. I loved Vince at UT and thought he had a shot at being great.But this is a football board. The hyper sensitive psychobabble is getting a little thick and overly assumptive. There's a good chance Vince Young is simply a wuss.

I really think the bottom line is that all of the above are possibilities, but we don't know what's really going on. Nor are we likely to find out any time soon. It seems to me that most people are assuming the situation is something to be taken seriously until given a solid reason to believe otherwise.BTW, I, too, would like to express my appreciation for the generally respectful tone taken in regard to a young man many here have been all too happy to gleefully malign in the past.

 

[gman74]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I'm not rich, unless making $70k makes you rich...and I've been under extreme pressure at times in my life. I do not think however, that having X amount of money makes anyone immune to pressure, sadness, anger, frustration, etc that life can bring to all of us.

Money helps with a lot of things, but not everything, and often along with more money comes significantly increased pressure.

 

[riverrat]

It's interesting that Kerry Collins is his backup. I remember when things got so bad for Collins with the Panthers that he told the coach his heart wasn't in it and he didn't want to start. He was then traded to New Orleans. Maybe having someone there who's been through it will help. Strange coincidence they are on the same team, though.

 

[John Mamula]

at VY.

this brightened my day.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

 

[T Bell]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

You think Vince is stringing us along?

 

[Tubalcane]

I'm just glad VY isn't playing in New York.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

It's interesting that Kerry Collins is his backup. I remember when things got so bad for Collins with the Panthers that he told the coach his heart wasn't in it and he didn't want to start. He was then traded to New Orleans. Maybe having someone there who's been through it will help. Strange coincidence they are on the same team, though.

Then again, having experienced it perhaps Kerry is using this to his advantage by appearing to give Vince good advice but in reality is undermining his confidence. "So how you feeling, Vince? I was there man and I just felt so guilty after throwing a pick like the one you just threw. I just felt as if I'd let down every one of my teammates, my family, the fans, the coaches. I'm glad it look's like you're doing o.k. as that was a really attrocious pass and it well could end up costing us the game. I'd have probably stewed about it for ages. Don't worry about it though, you'll forget all about it when you get your next turnover."

 

[nzranger]

What does this do to the Titans Passing Game status?I actually think Kerry will be able to open up the passing game.

LOL!Please sir keep your football related questions to a minimum. I'd say it can't be anything but better. They aren't having any trouble running the ball so Collins or whoever should have lots of time. C-PEP ANYONE?

VY needs to take some time to himself and determine if he's going to tough it out or not. His teammates won't respect him until he decides one way or the other.

It's probably a bit late for that already..

 

[JamesTheScot]

It baffles me that a man who is literally making millions of dollars, and who has an entire team of players depending on him, (not to mention thousands of fans) has no more sense of responsibility than to want to run away from his problems when the going gets tuff. As a person who trains young people coming out of school to work in an adult environment, I see Vince Young as being a typical example of what I call the "self-esteem" generation. That’s what you get when you raise kids in on Dr Spock’s advice, and in a transformational environment developed by people like John Dewey, Benjamin Bloom, Theodore Adorno, and Carl Rogers. Kids coming out of school today have lost the art of conflict and confrontation, and because of it when they meet with criticism they are unable to deal with it constructively. I agree with the already stated premise that Vince Young has been coddled, sheltered, and kept all his life to the point that he doesn’t have the emotional foundation necessary to deal with a mountain load of pressure heaped on him by an overly critical media. And if you pay attention to the role his mother is playing, you see why he can’t cope. His mother is a classic “enabler”. She is keeping VY from facing these pressures head on, and therefore jeopardizing his professional career. What he needs right now is a patriarchal figure to step in and, for lack of a better term, “kick him in the butt”, and tell him to grow up. One can only hope that Steve McNair can fill this role that VY so desperately needs. Maybe he can do for VY what Rod Smith is doing for Brandon Marshall. I don’t feel sorry for VY for the problems he is facing right now. These problems are what he needs. They will force him to either grow into adulthood or to retreat. The bad thing about this is that I see this everyday from young people coming out of school. An entire generation of kids has been shuffled thru school and had their self-esteem inflated to a degree that they are hopelessly egocentric. This is not an isolated incident for a young football player. It’s a widespread epidemic. I predict that you will see this type of behavior significantly increase in the NFL thru the coming years. Vince Young is not the exception…he’s the new rule. My advice to the NFL owners is to invest heavily in a team of psychologists now. The damage has been done, now we must cope with the consequences.

Nice job minimalizing a crippling illness and state that one can't just "snap out of."The dood needs some serious help.

I don't think he said the illness of depression is a myth, I think he's saying he doesn't think Young is depressed but rather is immature and under-developed. There's a difference. We don't know which it is and any opinion at this point is just as valid.With respect to what you've been through, I believe that there is a depression that is very real and has a physiological cause. I also believe that ADHD exists and has a physiological cause. But I also believe that its very possible ADHD and depression are over-dianosed and are prone to be used as excuses and crutches. My very limited knowledge of depression is that the real thing affects all apsects of your life. I don't know VY but I am a little suspicious when fan or coach criticism appears to be the trigger and source for his depression. If he were suffering from the real thing, I would think there are other flags in his day to life. Maybe there are and Fisher knows this, hence his reaction. But if there aren't, I'd tend to side with Tubalcane and mark this one up to guy that just lacks the coping skills to handle the pressure.

 

[Big 'N Tasty]

If I was to lay a guess (which I guess I am) I would venture that VY has an undiagnosed learning disorder. These can cause anxiety, frustration and depression as there are times when hurdles seem impossible to overcome. Couple the Wonderlic with reports that he didn't learn the playbook and his reaction to failure and I would say its worth looking into if your VY (or the Titans).

I think you may be onto something there, bacon.

Seriously, why can't people be just plain stupid anymore? It always has to be some other reason. He has AD/HD, he has some weird thyroid condition, he has an overactive mind...sure those things exist, but why does that always have to be a reason? Some people are just not as smart, as motivated, or as ambitious as other people. It sure sounds like Vince is one of those people. Not that it makes him any less of a human being, but maybe he doesn't have the tools to be a great NFL QB. Perhaps the reason that he's so emotional fragile when it comes to failure is that people have always made an excuse for him when he failed a test, threw a bad pass, or missed the bus to school. Now when he fails, he hears boos from the crowd, and not the "oh don't mind him he has a learning disorder," or any other excuse he always heard growing up.

 

[Moe Green]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

 

[culdeus]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

omg

 

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FYI just heard an interview with a prominent reporter out of nashville on the local Fox Sports Radio Affiliate here in memphis (30m ago) that seemed ti indicate this was just a rumor and that Young was not considering retirement. He did not rule out Collins keeping the job if he played exceptionally well for a few weeks till Young got back... but he said the whole depression/retirement angle is simply being blown out of proportion by the media.

Take that for what it's worth.

 

[TitusIII]

michael bishop was the MAN

Still my favorite college QB, simply amazing...not sure how he got dragged into this thread!Hopefully the Titans help Young...any pressure from them at this point could put both in a bad position. Get well kid...

 

[Abraham]

Amazing that in 48 hours, the tide has turned from him being the possible long-term QB to most fans (myself included, a big VY backer) are trying to figure out how to salvage the season and position without him involved. Weird couple of days.

I'm actually glad Simms has been signed. He is still young enough to develop in to a long-term QB and despite his mediocre play in Tampa, he is not a bad player IMO.

 

[Tau837]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

omg

 

[comfortably numb]

1st There is a 0% chance VY retires.

2nd If VY has depression that is sad and hopefully get help.

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

omg

i just caught this...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP Opinion: I was very cautious with any accolades for Vince young coming out of college, however he was one of the most exciting players to ever take the field. His back to back Rose Bowl victories over Michigan(IIRC) and USC were just off the charts.

I really hope Young gets treatment and I think the Titans are short sighted if they don't help him...this idea that they are moving ahead with Collins is laughable. We've seen vintage Kerry Collins and it isn't all that good. They threw Young to the wolves which I am surprised because Mcnair got to hold a clipboard behind Chandelier for 2 years before he was given the job. The Titans have invested million and millions of dollars into this kid...let him go get healthy and don't add any pressure onto the guy.

I have known a lot of people that had bouts with depression, and they certainly have medication that can fix these problems he has. I find the situation sad and I don't care so much about the FF angle in all of this, sorry.

I do think the Tiatns are close to making a run with the OL, and DL...not sure how much better they can make those 2 units, they have invested a lot of money into them...they tore the Jags apart on Sunday, just a fact, and have left the Jags crippled. The Titans IMO are the team to beat right now in the South, but if Young is going to miss the season, I would not think Collins can take them to the SB...he did do it in NY though so anything is possible.

I don't think this is a good time for "I told you so" remarks, hope the SP doesn't go that route.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

FYI just heard an interview with a prominent reporter out of nashville on the local Fox Sports Radio Affiliate here in memphis (30m ago) that seemed ti indicate this was just a rumor and that Young was not considering retirement. He did not rule out Collins keeping the job if he played exceptionally well for a few weeks till Young got back... but he said the whole depression/retirement angle is simply being blown out of proportion by the media.Take that for what it's worth.

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[the hairy scotsman]

MOP Opinion: I was very cautious with any accolades for Vince young coming out of college, however he was one of the most exciting players to ever take the field. His back to back Rose Bowl victories over Michigan(IIRC) and USC were just off the charts. I really hope Young gets treatment and I think the Titans are short sighted if they don't help him...this idea that they are moving ahead with Collins is laughable. We've seen vintage Kerry Collins and it isn't all that good. They threw Young to the wolves which I am surprised because Mcnair got to hold a clipboard behind Chandelier for 2 years before he was given the job. The Titans have invested million and millions of dollars into this kid...let him go get healthy and don't add any pressure onto the guy. I have known a lot of people that had bouts with depression, and they certainly have medication that can fix these problems he has. I find the situation sad and I don't care so much about the FF angle in all of this, sorry. I do think the Tiatns are close to making a run with the OL, and DL...not sure how much better they can make those 2 units, they have invested a lot of money into them...they tore the Jags apart on Sunday, just a fact, and have left the Jags crippled. The Titans IMO are the team to beat right now in the South, but if Young is going to miss the season, I would not think Collins can take them to the SB...he did do it in NY though so anything is possible. I don't think this is a good time for "I told you so" remarks, hope the SP doesn't go that route.

, MOP.I think you're right. IF he has depression issues or IF he has a learning disability, he's likely going to get help now if he wasn't already. While some people see this as the end of the road for him, I tend to think this could be an event which turns him around and saves his football career. Maybe not, but we'll see, I guess.At any rate, someone needs to stick a sock in his Mom's mouth. Maybe they have already. She is not helping.

 

[FavreCo]

, MOP.

I think you're right. IF he has depression issues or IF he has a learning disability, he's likely going to get help now if he wasn't already. While some people see this as the end of the road for him, I tend to think this could be an event which turns him around and saves his football career. Maybe not, but we'll see, I guess.

At any rate, someone needs to stick a sock in his Mom's mouth. Maybe they have already. She is not helping.

Sorry dude, this guy is done. It's good for the game, good for the Titans and good for FF. If I am Bud Adams, I am glad this happened because now he can get rid of Young with no backlash now from the media. It was such a monumental mistake taking the guy in the 1st place.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

, MOP.

I think you're right. IF he has depression issues or IF he has a learning disability, he's likely going to get help now if he wasn't already. While some people see this as the end of the road for him, I tend to think this could be an event which turns him around and saves his football career. Maybe not, but we'll see, I guess.

At any rate, someone needs to stick a sock in his Mom's mouth. Maybe they have already. She is not helping.

Sorry dude, this guy is done. It's good for the game, good for the Titans and good for FF. If I am Bud Adams, I am glad this happened because now he can get rid of Young with no backlash now from the media. It was such a monumental mistake taking the guy in the 1st place.

Why is Young suffering from depression good for the game? Of all people that have a login with the name FAVRE in it I might add...what if the NFL, fans, and the SP had turned on Brett Favre when he was addicted to pain killers? He pleaded for help, asked for forgiveness, and was granted that, went on to a great career. How come Young doesn't get that same mercy from you? Does it feel good to pile on this guy and say "He's done"...

Sorry FC, but that post doesn't make me think much of you as a poster, I know you are not alone in this and want to have fun laughing at VY, but what is there to gain in these posts? The man may have a real illness...would it make you feel better if he just took his own life, would that really make your day?

I just cannot understand the mindset here, and it really bugs me that people want to see him fail. I was one of his biggest critics, but I want to be proven right thru his work on the field, his won/loss record(18-11), his leadership, not because he had a bout with depression and no one could direct him to get help.

Why does Favre get a pass for painkillers, and Young gets thrown under the bus?

 

[azgroover]

3rd VY does not know what pressure is. Pressure is when your a single Mom and you have 3 kids to feed because the Dad left. Pressure is when you can't feed your family and are in process of losing your home because of a bad economy. I have 0 symphony for him because he is "under pressure" for a multi million dollar job. You can feel bad if he has depression because it is a medical issue.

This is wrong. Pressure is all relative. The single mom of 3 kids doesn't know the pressure of being a single mom of 5 kids. And so on.....

 

[FavreCo]

Why does Favre get a pass for painkillers, and Young gets thrown under the bus?

Because Favre is an NFL QB and Vince Young is not. The fact that he is done as far as masquerading as an NFL talent is what I said. His so-called 'depression' has ZERO to do with the fact that he sucks. He sucked out of the shoot. He has no ability what-so-ever of playing QB in the NFL. He can drop back and run. That is why they have RBs.

You will find out that Kerry Collins and/or Chris Simms will easily replace this hack.

 

[Wildman]

It's nice to see the reaction on this thread. Kudos to most of you.

Man, I was coming in to say the same thing.I'm a huge VY dork (went to UT, still live 2 blocks away). He honestly made me feel like a kid again watching him play for the Longhorns. He finally helped me understand the Michael Jordan Syndrome, that attachment to an athlete that goes beyond a team. And from what I knew about him (or thought I did) -- that he was very physically talented, had shown strong work ethic and leadership over is final two years (holding independent practices, constantly rallying his team, etc.), and that he had a perfectly zen "nothing can phase me" attitude about the game -- I thought he was a lock for NFL success. But I was dead wrong about that last part. It turns out Vince had just never faced true adversity, nor any real, lasting, national criticism. And when he did, it crushed him. Anyway, there have been a lot of people who correctly predicted his demise in the NFL and it would've been easy for folks to gloat. As a sad ol' VY fan, I just want to say how much I appreciate the lack of piling on. Also, folks are right - there does seem to be something amiss in the way UT handles its star players. Ricky, Cedric, and Vince all came out way too thin-skinned for the NFL. And 3 top 5 picks officially makes that a trend.

I'm a Titans fan. I hoped for Cutler, but figured it wasn't going to happen. I was happy about Young getting drafted over Leinart as a consolation and then thrilled with his rookie season. As for the college environment, Joe makes good points about Austin, Columbus, Athens (I am a block from the stadium as we speak), or Knoxville. I can tell you stories about players who aren't 'trouble', according to the media, who you would not hire for your business because of their behavior/immaturity. There's a great coaching book put out by the ACFC(may not have the acronym right off the top of my head) where Bill Curry talks about the coddling that goes on with players at the college level. He tells a story about a top recruit he was trying land at Ga. Tech. The player told him flat out "I want the car." He said it with his mom and dad in the room. Curry was dumbfounded. The recruit repeated himself much to Curry's amazement. The dad, who heard enough by now, took Curry outside and told him that he's going to talk to his son for a moment and give him another chance, but this was basically the son's response as a reaction to the type of promises he got from other coaches. Curry and this player's dad eventually sold this kid on Georgia Tech. The story ends with that kid, future Saints All-Pro LB Pat Swilling, rolling up on Curry with his brand new car once he made it to the pros. The point is a lot of these guys feel entitled to treatment way beyond what they have earned due to the environment out there. It doesn't help build character. When you go from one extreme of living conditions to another without great preparation or knowing who to trust, life can be a whirlwind. Throw the pressure of performing into the mix and it's understandable how this happens. Whether they are coddled or a byproduct of being insulated from in a sense, it warps their sense of reality. Then again if you call being 24-25 years old with more money than your entire family has made in a lifetime an easy transition (with the pressures that come with it), then you're not living in reality.

 

[spacevan]

They sure don't make men like they used to! You want to "cure" Vince Young? Put him in a room with Mike Ditka for 10 minutes. All this talk of depression and how supportive everyone wants to be... "I hope he gets the help he needs" You guys sound like you should be playing Fantasy Knitting not FF. The wimpification of men! The fact is everything has been handed to the guy and now he has to work for it and he doesn't like it. Depression? I call this being weak minded! It's pretty obvious with his problems with the playbook and the way he reads defenses that this is exactly the problem. Go ahead and blame it on depression since the population has been dumbed down to the point where depression is an acceptable excuse for everything you don't want to take personal responsibility for. This is a team sport and the team is bigger than one person. Suck it up Vince, go help your team and be a man.

 

[Loan Sharks]

What a #####.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

FWIW, they just interviewed Mack Brown in a teaser for his statewide show on KVET-AM in Austin. He talked about Hurricane Ike, then they asked him if he had talked to VY. He had. He talked about how competitive VY is, how much pressure he has always put on himself to succeed, and how personally he takes his mistakes. He mentioned that his worst moment at Texas, his awful game against Missouri halfway through 2004 where he was booed and benched, turned out to be his best moment, because it was his collegiate turning point and he never lost another game here.

He said VY had also been in communication with Texas OC Greg Davis, and that everything was overblown, that he's fine, he's back at work now, and moving forward.

This is pretty much all he said. There may be more later on his show.

Edit: Later, on his show he said that Young had been working on the field today, but would probably be out 2 or 3 weeks with the sore knee. Thought the presence of Chris Simms would be a very good thing for him as Simms and Young are very good friends and Simms has been through very similar trials with the fans. He was also very happy for Chris. Said anyone who thinks he's not gonna fight to get through this doesn't know Young. That's what I remember.

 

[Two Deep]

Stick a fork in him already.

 

[GoBears84]

This is probably the first time in his life where his athletic abilities are not bailing him out.

No. He went through the same kind of thing at Texas, only on a smaller scale.

He probably was never boo'd before.

No. He was booed more than once at Texas before he got things figured out.

Please. Austin was a relative fairy tale land for criticism compared to the real world of the NFL. The same way Knoxville, Gainesville, Columbus, Athens etc are.The fortunate thing is that he went to Nashville which along with Green Bay may be the most media friendly town in the league. Who knows what might have happened if he'd slipped to #4 for New York? If he thinks the Titans fans are tough, you can only imagine what might have happened in a town like Philadelphia.

J

Joe...where did I say Austin was anything like an NFL town? It's not, but it is one of the toughest places on a college qb if you're not the fan fave at the time. Just ask Chris Simms. I said he was booed by harsh Texas fans more than once. He was. I said he went through an adjustment period of having to rely less on pure athleticism than he did in high school. He did.

What's the problem?

No problem. But any mention of boos in Austin is irrelevant as Austin is cush city (as are many college football towns) when it comes to criticism compared to the real world of the NFL.J

I'm a non-Longhorn fan in Austin (see my sig.) so I see things through a slightly different lens.What nobody on the board has mentioned is that VY had his #10 Longhorn jersey retired just 10 days ago.

Let's put it in perspective and then bring it back to football. VY leaves Austin 10 days ago as a King - adoring crowds, all doors opened, the works. Goes back to Memphis, excited to start his 4th season and gets boo'd and then injured in the first game of the season.

I'm not a psychologist, but who wouldn't be even a bit down after that?

From everything I've read here in Austin and here on the board, I would suspect that VY will bounce back.

But it will never be the way it was at UT...and he has to figure that out.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Young back at practice...

For now, veteran Kerry Collins will start. The Titans signed Chris Simms as insurance Wednesday and will not project when Young will be healthy enough to play. Fisher said the starter's job remains Young, but admitted the quarterback has some work to do.

"He has to put some things back in perspective, and first and foremost has to get healthy," Fisher said.

A lot of that article sounds strangely familiar...like they've been reading my posts.

 

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Young back at practice...

For now, veteran Kerry Collins will start. The Titans signed Chris Simms as insurance Wednesday and will not project when Young will be healthy enough to play. Fisher said the starter's job remains Young, but admitted the quarterback has some work to do.

"He has to put some things back in perspective, and first and foremost has to get healthy," Fisher said.

A lot of that article sounds strangely familiar...like they've been reading my posts.

Another comment made on the radio today by an Nashville insider was the Titans decision to let their 3rd string QB go and bring Simms aboard smelled like they were not viewing VY as their QB of the future.. or were at least preparing for that scenario. The argument was SImms was more of a "fulltime" #2 backup vs an emergency #3 backup. It was covered in more detail but I'm tired... just wanted to throw the concept out there at least as fodder.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Young back at practice...

For now, veteran Kerry Collins will start. The Titans signed Chris Simms as insurance Wednesday and will not project when Young will be healthy enough to play. Fisher said the starter's job remains Young, but admitted the quarterback has some work to do.

"He has to put some things back in perspective, and first and foremost has to get healthy," Fisher said.

A lot of that article sounds strangely familiar...like they've been reading my posts.

Another comment made on the radio today by an Nashville insider was the Titans decision to let their 3rd string QB go and bring Simms aboard smelled like they were not viewing VY as their QB of the future.. or were at least preparing for that scenario. The argument was SImms was more of a "fulltime" #2 backup vs an emergency #3 backup. It was covered in more detail but I'm tired... just wanted to throw the concept out there at least as fodder.

That may very well be true. He could have added value though. He's a close friend of VY and he's also been through very tough times with fans of his own teams, booing him , questioning his heart and character, etc. He could be a confidant of sorts who could be a little help, and if that doesn't work out, he's also a more than viable alternative to qb the team. Just don't have him show VY how not to get passes batted down.

 

[msommer]

Another comment made on the radio today by an Nashville insider was the Titans decision to let their 3rd string QB go and bring Simms aboard smelled like they were not viewing VY as their QB of the future.. or were at least preparing for that scenario. The argument was SImms was more of a "fulltime" #2 backup vs an emergency #3 backup. It was covered in more detail but I'm tired... just wanted to throw the concept out there at least as fodder.

Chris Simms is an insurance policy for Kerry Collins - and just might be a better back up than Collins once he gets the playbook down. There is no way Simms and Young (or Collins and Young) can't coexist - Collins has faded under pressure before - remember his year with the Raiders?I haven't seen anything on Simms contract, money, duration etc - but apart from any signing bonus it is not guaranteed and he can be cut if Young/Collings gets back on the ticket.

 

[duaneok66]

If I was to lay a guess (which I guess I am) I would venture that VY has an undiagnosed learning disorder. These can cause anxiety, frustration and depression as there are times when hurdles seem impossible to overcome. Couple the Wonderlic with reports that he didn't learn the playbook and his reaction to failure and I would say its worth looking into if your VY (or the Titans).

I think you may be onto something there, bacon.

Seriously, why can't people be just plain stupid anymore? It always has to be some other reason. He has AD/HD, he has some weird thyroid condition, he has an overactive mind...sure those things exist, but why does that always have to be a reason? Some people are just not as smart, as motivated, or as ambitious as other people. It sure sounds like Vince is one of those people. Not that it makes him any less of a human being, but maybe he doesn't have the tools to be a great NFL QB.

Perhaps the reason that he's so emotional fragile when it comes to failure is that people have always made an excuse for him when he failed a test, threw a bad pass, or missed the bus to school. Now when he fails, he hears boos from the crowd, and not the "oh don't mind him he has a learning disorder," or any other excuse he always heard growing up.

post of the thread . . .

 

[the hairy scotsman]

If I was to lay a guess (which I guess I am) I would venture that VY has an undiagnosed learning disorder. These can cause anxiety, frustration and depression as there are times when hurdles seem impossible to overcome. Couple the Wonderlic with reports that he didn't learn the playbook and his reaction to failure and I would say its worth looking into if your VY (or the Titans).

I think you may be onto something there, bacon.

Seriously, why can't people be just plain stupid anymore? It always has to be some other reason. He has AD/HD, he has some weird thyroid condition, he has an overactive mind...sure those things exist, but why does that always have to be a reason? Some people are just not as smart, as motivated, or as ambitious as other people. It sure sounds like Vince is one of those people. Not that it makes him any less of a human being, but maybe he doesn't have the tools to be a great NFL QB.

Perhaps the reason that he's so emotional fragile when it comes to failure is that people have always made an excuse for him when he failed a test, threw a bad pass, or missed the bus to school. Now when he fails, he hears boos from the crowd, and not the "oh don't mind him he has a learning disorder," or any other excuse he always heard growing up.

post of the thread . . .

Actually, baconisgood just threw that out as a possibility. I agreed with him that it's a possibility...a possibility I'd never heard mentioned before. He didn't rule out any other possibilities. Duane's explanation is also definitely a possibility, but it's not like we haven't heard it before, esp on this board.