Vince Young = Michael Vick. (1 Viewer)

[Traders2001]

Young is way way way way overrated , except when he dumps the ball to TE or RB he cant hit anyone over 10 yards .

It s nothing new he was the same last season but now he does nt have the benefit of being a rookie anymore .

I know Young owners will blame the WR 's , that s BS .

Young = Vick with even less accuracy .

 

[Pocket Joker]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

 

[Hawk]

Vince has played poorly in all three of his starts against Jax. I think how he fares over the next couple of weeks vs Indy and NO will be more telling.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

 

[Keith Lewis]

What was Vicks wonderlic? I bet it was higher than "6".

 

[Traders2001]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

 

[Traders2001]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

From two Young owners, just want to discuss Young accuracy . I am a Young owner too and the more i look at him the more i compare him to Vick and dont see muck of a difference that s it .Is accuracy improved a bit last season but again week 1 he was disappointing .

 

[BigTex]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .

The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

I agree............waaaaay overrated.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Traders, their stat lines will look very similiar. We all know it, Vince Young owners don't like to hear it but everyone knows it's true.

There is no way this is the dumbest thread of the week, I've seen much worse, and it's still early.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

I doubt you'd have much success finding threads where people cited his accuracy as a passer as his greatest strength.You're confirming what everyone generally agrees with. So...good for you, I guess.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

I only have two people on ignore. The OP is one...I just came in to see the trainwreck. But, this is standard (and obviously, I've only read the title).

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Why are you putting a space before your commas and periods?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

From two Young owners, just want to discuss Young accuracy . I am a Young owner too and the more i look at him the more i compare him to Vick and dont see muck of a difference that s it .Is accuracy improved a bit last season but again week 1 he was disappointing .

I didn't start him week 1....probably won't week 2 either. Did you see the games he had last year against Jax? What did you expect? After watching him in the preseason his accuracy will improve from last season. To make that comparison after 1 week of play or after the guy has not even played a full season is not fair and not a smart move IMO.

 

[Mimo]

Young has the same affect Vick has on the running game. The running lanes up the middle are going to be open because DEs will have to be discipline and keep outside containment. I could see the Titans leading the league in rushing because VY is such a threat. If VY can only be serviceable with the pass and get his WRs involved, somehow, he can be very, very dangerous. I know asking for accuracy is a stretch right now.

 

[Marc Levin]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.

Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.

Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

This is a very good analysis of the situation.

 

[Marc Levin]

Plus, he ran 11 times for 22 yards yesterday - hardly Michael Vick-like. On 11 carries, Vick would have had 150 yards.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

So you're saying that Vince will be a top 5 QB in his 2nd season like Vick was? Cool!

 

[jon_mx]

Young is way way way way overrated , except when he dumps the ball to TE or RB he cant hit anyone over 10 yards .It s nothing new he was the same last season but now he does nt have the benefit of being a rookie anymore .I know Young owners will blame the WR 's , that s BS .Young = Vick with even less accuracy .

Vince Young was considered a low 2nd tier QB. No body though he was the second coming of Montana. His running ability makes him dangerous, and his 8-10 rushing TD's with his 18-20 passing TD's will make him a productive FF QB. I picked him up, but only because there were 9 QB's taken in the first five rounds and I had expected some to drop. That was the earliest I have seen people have run on QB's.

 

[joffer]

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana .

please link to one post that says this. since "everybody" thinks this, it should be easy. TIA

 

[Keys Myaths]

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana .

please link to one post that says this. since "everybody" thinks this, it should be easy. TIA

 

[guderian]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

I think the best comparison is to McNabb with Young as a slightly worse passer but slightly better runner. McNabb was 49% in his rookie year and has a career 58% completion percentage. If Young can get to 55%-56% he'll be a great fantasy and NFL QB. As far as yesterday, Jacksonville couldn't stop the Titans running game. If we learned anything from yesterday it's that Young does have a better supporting cast than we gave him credit for going into the season. He did misfire a couple times, but he also opted to stay in the pocket and pass once when he could have easily run it in.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Big, big difference between those two. Vince actually uses his brain. He even does this thing called "reading the defense". What he hasn't learned to do yet is to use proper footwork. That can, and will, be learned.

Vince is not a run first QB. He did lead the nation in passing efficiency his last year at Texas.

He'll learn. He's really only in his 10 game or so of his NFL career.

 

[fatness]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

Thank you for a pleasant break from the stupidity.

 

[sho nuff]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

I think the best comparison is to McNabb with Young as a slightly worse passer but slightly better runner. McNabb was 49% in his rookie year and has a career 58% completion percentage. If Young can get to 55%-56% he'll be a great fantasy and NFL QB. As far as yesterday, Jacksonville couldn't stop the Titans running game. If we learned anything from yesterday it's that Young does have a better supporting cast than we gave him credit for going into the season. He did misfire a couple times, but he also opted to stay in the pocket and pass once when he could have easily run it in.

Well, his supporting cast in front of him is good...that is no doubt.On the outside...meh.RBs...Brown continues to look good. When this guy is healthy, he looks very good.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

From two Young owners, just want to discuss Young accuracy . I am a Young owner too and the more i look at him the more i compare him to Vick and dont see muck of a difference that s it .Is accuracy improved a bit last season but again week 1 he was disappointing .

You really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Young also has leadership ability in abundance whereas Vick has absolutely none.

 

[corpcow]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .

The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

I agree............waaaaay overrated.

In fantasy or in real life?The fact is, Vince is a winner. Coming off their worst season in (their short) franchise history and an 0-5 start, Vince led them (with largely the same talent) to an 8-8 season. Despite a poor game statistically yesterday, they won. VY comes up big when he needs to and makes those around him better, something he did countless times at UT.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

If nothing else, we can definitely say Young is better than Kerry Collins.

 

[corpcow]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

I think the best comparison is to McNabb with Young as a slightly worse passer but slightly better runner. McNabb was 49% in his rookie year and has a career 58% completion percentage. If Young can get to 55%-56% he'll be a great fantasy and NFL QB. As far as yesterday, Jacksonville couldn't stop the Titans running game. If we learned anything from yesterday it's that Young does have a better supporting cast than we gave him credit for going into the season. He did misfire a couple times, but he also opted to stay in the pocket and pass once when he could have easily run it in.

Well, his supporting cast in front of him is good...that is no doubt.On the outside...meh.RBs...Brown continues to look good. When this guy is healthy, he looks very good.

As I've said countless times in this debate, the key is that Vince actually makes reads. He uses his legs as a threat but does not run as soon as option #1 is covered. He also continues to look upfield even after he breaks the pocket.

 

[ImTheScientist]

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana .

please link to one post that says this. since "everybody" thinks this, it should be easy. TIA

 

[enfuego]

If anyone wants to draw a conclusion as to VY's season or overall ability based on game #1 vs. the Jags, their argument will be fatally flawed.

 

[Marc Levin]

And, to close this "Vick = Young" accuracy debate: weeks 12-17 last year, Young completed 58.7% of his passes. Much closer to McNabb-type accuracy than Vick-type accuracy. And to say he is LESS accurate than Vick shows a bit of a lack of insight into either QBs' ability to be accurate - at best, that is an indefensible position.

Against Jax last year, he rushed 8 times for 18 yards, and was 23 for 51 passing for 248 yards, with 1 TD and 3 picks. To make a judgment on his game yesterday, where he was 11/18 for 85, 0 TDs v 1 INT and 11 rushes for 22 yards and one rush TD, is short-sighted. To analogize his performance yesterday to Michael Vick is, for lack of a better word, baseless.

 

[FavreCo]

Vince Young has as much fantasy value as Vick did. None in our league. You need to put up passing numbers and TD's. His WR's have no value just like Atlanta's with Vick. Everyone knows this.

 

[BringItOn]

IN before all of the "I Blame it on the Madden cover" commentary

 

[Marc Levin]

Vince Young has as much fantasy value as Vick did. None in our league. You need to put up passing numbers and TD's. His WR's have no value just like Atlanta's with Vick. Everyone knows this.

Not the point of the thread.The asertion is not fantasy greatness but accuracy and "NFL greatness" The OP compared the players as players - not as fantasy players. As fantasy players, I agree their numbers are going to be similar for a coiuple of year, and for similar reasons. That said, I think that, in two years, when Vick comes back into the league, Vince Young will be more like a McNabb/Steve Young FF player while Vick will still be another RB for your roster who gives very little passing numbers to your fantasy squad.VY's fantasy ceiling is Steve Young/Dante Culpepper. Mike Vick's fantasy ceiling will always hinge on what he does with his legs.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Vince Young has as much fantasy value as Vick did. None in our league.

Thanks for the update.In 99% of leagues, Vick (and Young) had value.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

Thank you for a pleasant break from the stupidity.

Indeed.Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.Vince didn't look himself yesterday, which of course has a lot to do with the Jax D. I was disappointed with his accuracy, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous. Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

 

[FavreCo]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

That's what people said last year after three or four weeks...and what they said in college..."Just account for Vince and you can stop Texas." Right.Exactly how many games of film do you think an NFL DC needs to gameplan someone?

The fact is that Jax has a very good D and has always given VY trouble, but the LBs and DEs were so worried about VY that the Titans gashed them everywhere else in the run game. So send everyone after VY. Spy him. Whatever. He still wins when you do that.

As for adapting and changing...he already has, and will continue to do so.

 

[jurb26]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

That's what people said last year after three or four weeks...and what they said in college..."Just account for Vince and you can stop Texas." Right.Exactly how many games of film do you think an NFL DC needs to gameplan someone?

The fact is that Jax has a very good D and has always given VY trouble, but the LBs and DEs were so worried about VY that the Titans gashed them everywhere else in the run game. So send everyone after VY. Spy him. Whatever. He still wins when you do that.

At the risk of making this sound like a Vick comparison (which I'm not trying to do)... but it would help if Young had some playmaking WRs. I didn't see the game, but from reading the comments about him dumping off to TEs and RBs, I have to say. What do people expect him to do? Especially when the running game was straight blasting the Jack D.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

That's what people said last year after three or four weeks...and what they said in college..."Just account for Vince and you can stop Texas." Right.

Exactly how many games of film do you think an NFL DC needs to gameplan someone?

The fact is that Jax has a very good D and has always given VY trouble, but the LBs and DEs were so worried about VY that the Titans gashed them everywhere else in the run game. So send everyone after VY. Spy him. Whatever. He still wins when you do that.

At the risk of making this sound like a Vick comparison (which I'm not trying to do)... but it would help if Young had some playmaking WRs. I didn't see the game, but from reading the comments about him dumping off to TEs and RBs, I have to say. What do people expect him to do? Especially when the running game was straight blasting the Jack D.

OH...no doubt.Also, his best receiver is TE Bo Scaife, who was 2nd team coming to camp.

 

[guderian]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

That's what people said last year after three or four weeks...and what they said in college..."Just account for Vince and you can stop Texas." Right.Exactly how many games of film do you think an NFL DC needs to gameplan someone?

The fact is that Jax has a very good D and has always given VY trouble, but the LBs and DEs were so worried about VY that the Titans gashed them everywhere else in the run game. So send everyone after VY. Spy him. Whatever. He still wins when you do that.

As for adapting and changing...he already has, and will continue to do so.

I think the argument that defenses can "figure a player out" argument is a weak one. Vince Young isn't the first player to come into the NFL with the ability to run, so NFL defensive coordinators aren't starting from scratch on stopping a running QB.

Also, Young hit 8 different receivers yesterday which continues the trend from last year. While he does lack a consistent threat at WR, he has demonstrated the ability to read defenses and use a variety of weapons compared to many young QBs who lock onto one or two players.

 

[Marc Levin]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

Thank you for a pleasant break from the stupidity. :X

Indeed.Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.Vince didn't look himself yesterday, which of course has a lot to do with the Jax D. I was disappointed with his accuracy, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous. Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Good to see ya, Hairy Scots. I am carrying the torch because you lit a fire under me bum. You were the one who taught me why Vince /= Vick.Good on ya

 

[cstu]

Plus, he ran 11 times for 22 yards yesterday - hardly Michael Vick-like. On 11 carries, Vick would have had 150 yards.

He had as many runs as he did completions and had a YPA of 4.3. Of his 11 completions only 5 were to WR's, while 6 went to TE's or RB's. His only passes over 10 yards were to Scaife (21) and Gage (17). He's a poor man's Vick who's a little more accurate.

 

[Buckna]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .

The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

I agree............waaaaay overrated.

In fantasy or in real life?The fact is, Vince is a winner. Coming off their worst season in (their short) franchise history and an 0-5 start, Vince led them (with largely the same talent) to an 8-8 season. Despite a poor game statistically yesterday, they won. VY comes up big when he needs to and makes those around him better, something he did countless times at UT.

I'm having major league Vick argument flashbacks from 2 years ago. This was one of the major arguments always made in favor of Vick. Vick won in Lambeau, Atlanta only lost games when Vick was out (see when he broke his leg or when Schaub subbed in for him) etc.I'm not saying Vince is a dog fighter, but this seems a poor argument to me when winning is mainly based on the team around you.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Dumbest thread of the week. Congratulations!

All i am saying is how everybody thinks young is the second comnig of Joe Montana . Yes he is athletic can run the ball ( Not as good as Vick , but he is a good running QB ) but is accuracy is terrible . That sall i am saying .He is way overrated as a passer to make it clearer for you to understand .

The only reason i put down with more brains is that i could see those dog fighting remarks coming.

I agree............waaaaay overrated.

In fantasy or in real life?The fact is, Vince is a winner. Coming off their worst season in (their short) franchise history and an 0-5 start, Vince led them (with largely the same talent) to an 8-8 season. Despite a poor game statistically yesterday, they won. VY comes up big when he needs to and makes those around him better, something he did countless times at UT.

I'm having major league Vick argument flashbacks from 2 years ago. This was one of the major arguments always made in favor of Vick. Vick won in Lambeau, Atlanta only lost games when Vick was out (see when he broke his leg or when Schaub subbed in for him) etc.I'm not saying Vince is a dog fighter, but this seems a poor argument to me when winning is mainly based on the team around you.

Thanks for doing this. I was about to type the exact same post.Yes, the quarterback is the most important position on the field. But, you can't win with a QB alone. People always get crazy and forget this.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.

Vince didn't look himself yesterday,whichI'm sure has much to do with the Jax D.I was disappointed with his accuracy yesterday, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous.

Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Or maybe defenses now have enough film on him. If so, he better adapt and change.

That's what people said last year after three or four weeks...and what they said in college..."Just account for Vince and you can stop Texas." Right.Exactly how many games of film do you think an NFL DC needs to gameplan someone?

The fact is that Jax has a very good D and has always given VY trouble, but the LBs and DEs were so worried about VY that the Titans gashed them everywhere else in the run game. So send everyone after VY. Spy him. Whatever. He still wins when you do that.

As for adapting and changing...he already has, and will continue to do so.

I think the argument that defenses can "figure a player out" argument is a weak one. Vince Young isn't the first player to come into the NFL with the ability to run, so NFL defensive coordinators aren't starting from scratch on stopping a running QB.

Also, Young hit 8 different receivers yesterday which continues the trend from last year. While he does lack a consistent threat at WR, he has demonstrated the ability to read defenses and use a variety of weapons compared to many young QBs who lock onto one or two players.

Right.Sometimes they can figure a guy out...or they can look at what Jax did to VY.

That doesn't mean they have the capability to pull off the same scheme and make it work.

If it did, everyone would have shut down VY after the first bad game he ever had last year. Same for anyone else...one bad game and you're thru.

Sorry...it just doesn't work that way.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Vick is a career 53% passer, with 44% his rookie year.Young hit 51% of his passes in his rookie year and was 61% yesterday.Young was much more accurate than Vick in college and he reads Ds before running. He is not Vick in the slightest little bit - Vick was a running QB. Young is a QB who runs. Young is more like his namesake than Vick.

Thank you for a pleasant break from the stupidity.

Indeed.Judging from this thread, looks like a lot of footballguys are starting to get it regarding Young. Last year, even at the end of the season, hardly anyone even here would give the guy credit for reading defenses and almost all said he was a run-first qb. He runs most often when the play or the containment has broken down (a la Steve Young), which is another thing that makes him so dangerous. I don't care what his wunderlich was, the guy is one of the most football savvy players I've ever seen. That 4th quarter OB run was the first mistake of that type I've ever seen him make.Vince didn't look himself yesterday, which of course has a lot to do with the Jax D. I was disappointed with his accuracy, but he still had a good %. He just missed pretty badly on some of the incompletions. That was one of the 2 worst games I've ever seen Young have as a passer or as a runner, though, and I've seen every snap the guy has ever taken, college or pro. To judge him off one game is ludicrous. Yes, Jax pretty well bottled VY up, but you see what they sacrificed in the process, right? 241 yards rushing to Brown & White. Ouch. Not everyone will take such an approach, and you'll see bigger plays by VY.

Good to see ya, Hairy Scots. I am carrying the torch because you lit a fire under me bum. You were the one who taught me why Vince /= Vick.Good on ya

Glad I could help...

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Vick was the #4 QB in fantasy points in my league last year. Young = Vick??? Works for me.